Every Playable Faction Coming to Thrawn's Revenge Broken Down! 

Agreed. EAWX is such a gem. One of the very few gaming related things that still gets me excited.

Community modeling has always been the backbone The whole story with valve, and their interactions with modders is proof enough

@@MegaMaster1021exactly. The community will be there long after the companies and profit incentives have been abolished.

They may get a certain amount of representation. You can see Vagar Praxut, the Vagaari homeworld on the map already

They have potential as NPC factions, yeah

I'd like to apologize for the absurdity of my above comment. I get strange while intoxicated.

​@@heavyarms55Don't we all.

Pro tip: if they offer money for some land don’t agree or you will end up like the Evocii

wait the dedicated Vong mod is abandoned? sad day

@@cc0767 theyre still working on it sometimes but most of thr team has moved on to there own video game theyre making

@@braysonlilburn2296 oh well thats good for them then I guess. I havent actually checked their progress yet but I subscribed to their discord 4 years ago and I was just about to check their mod out, is it abandoned completely? Or playable atleast?

@@cc0767 skirmish is playable but thats it sadly

I wouldn't expect any further updates from them.

As someone who only got it in the middle of the pandemic to try and help me get through a break up, it was fairly easy for me to pick up, and I consider myself to be a typical enjoyer of RTS game, main thing you need to be concerned with is don’t let empty building slots go unfilled, and you should be fine, also, always put tax agencies on highest value planets first

It's pretty doable, the game has a lot of documentation between the in-game information (all can be found on the lower left corner of the screen in the galactic layer) and Corey's guides, all units have tooltips with weapon types and passive abilities described. Some systems may seem intimidating at first, but once you get how it works they are really simple and don't require much maintenance.

@@justintaylor1713 Thanks :)

@@NiiRubra Thanks :)

As a TR veteran who also played since the early days, even before the graphical update, it is certainly different and a lot has changed, but it's still the same game in principle, barely any harder than years ago. There's some details, especially in the 3.3 that gave even me some trouble, like legitimity, where the faction with the most power gets to transform into the Dark Empire. But once you understand it, it's very easy. No need to be intimidated by it, it's still very simple.

They will be a major faction in Revans Revenge though, definitly looking forward to conquering the galaxy with them!

Would do ALOT for their ~40ABY fighters made of Beskar. Would be a really fun unit basic a mix of fight and frigate.

I remember when I first started playing the mod and heard how the majority of the Hand’s fleet was fast, high damage, but fragile and I was expecting the same from the ground forces, and instead the best strategy I found was a slow methodical slog I sat there like “Well this dichotomy is very jarring”

I kinda hope not. Always found that mechanic a bit annoying.

@@olliesloane151 It's not like you need to play against it here.

They use free release assets or assets from other mods for that, so they wouldn't actually be the people to reach out to about their models, but we make all of our assets in-house.

You can play Zero Command (as a modified Empire) in Deep Core Conflict. The Shockwave (presumably the Star Destroyer in question) is represented as an Allegiance

@@josiahshangrila7322 I know this but it is not the same as a real playable faction on the big map

There's 2 new GCs - Borderlands and Western Reaches

Nah, it should be a tidal wave of small, shitty ships. In fate of the Jedi they legit just rammed into capital ships by the billions.

@@iamblight707 Yeah that is also true I was just think of nest ships in general and and Shards in General terms for how big of ships they would be although the small and large low quality ships would be the go to 1.I think the shard should get and evolution feature like the World devastators and get bigger

I think they mentioned that there is a small chance maybe someday, same with the Hapans actually.

Independent Forces won't be playable, they're a collection of everyone who isn't part of a larger group

@CoreyLoses Dang, but still a great mod and looking forward to new updates

No, they will not be part of legiyimacy

Don't use the ingame launcher.

It's impossible to do a 1-1 recreation of how Dovin Basals worked in EaW

​@CoreyLoses same energy as "Nothing can kill the Grimace"

No, he doesn't have the territory to be worth his own slot. He's perfectly fine as a single-planet member of the umbrella Warlord faction.

It was something like two and a half years ago

You can’t really do a swap to a different faction mid game. There’s a number of references to fairly serious followup wars after the Bakura incident actually: the Chiss and the New Republic both fought the Ssi-Ruuvi back to their homeworld. The dinos built back up after this and tried another invasion of Bakura during the Vong War.

Yeah it was a several year long campaign against the Ssi-Ruuvi going on in the background, basically.

They may get a pirate base like Zsinj (Kaloth could live there), but probably not a ship market

@@josiahshangrila7322 agree on your prognosis, but I'd still hope for it

My Patreon doesn't support the mod, we can't tie anything monetarily to the mod. Best way to support it is just to play it, but we appreciate the sentiment.

it gives corey lunch money

The 8km length from NJO would actually line up perfectly with a Mandator II or possibly Bellator if you round up. Also, we know the remnant didn't have any Executors left at that time, and Megador is stated as having 16 engines, which makes it very definitely *not* a Vengeance. So yeah, Megador and Dominion being Mandator series, which at least one being either a Bellator or Mandator II is the explanation that makes the most sense in this particular case.

@@jonashemmingsson7301 Yet the NJO novel was written at a time people still treated the Executors as 8. So you kinda have to read 8 as 19. And the Vengeance trio were all a little nonstandard having usually been funded at least partly out of "personal*" pockets Entirely possible they didn't have matching engine numbers even when created.

The existing ships are suitable for their role in both the story and the game. The only thing I dislike is that they're just a few popcap over being fielded together, so you can never actually reenact the scene that plays at the title menu.

@@RevanX77 Fair, I just felt that this was a somewhat artful way to explain away why that first visit in NJO had a "Full Sized" SSD.

yes

They don't really control territory or have a fleet, so any EaW-relevant thing they'd be doing, we'd have to make up. Not just making up specifics to fill gaps like designing ships for the Hapans, but making up that they had ships in the first place.

@CoreyLoses @sisnoXsisnosis I agree, it seems like they should be added or expanded upon in some way. I mean the game TR is a mod for outright has a criminal faction fielding fleets and controlling/corrupting planets. Since it's part of the story campaign it's not like we can just say it's not canon. Seems to me any planet that has story content of the ZC corrupting or conquering it in the game, which isn't explicitly relevant as a planet controlled by someone else later, could just be used as part of their territory. For example, in the EU Ryloth is basically AFK and not part of the New Republic until like 20+ ABY. Similarly Felucia, Saleucami, Hypori, and Shola are all directly stated to be under the Zann Consortium's control in the game, and they even have heavy involvement on Kamino. So from this we see that they not only have ships, they also have quite a lot of territory. George Lucas' original plans for a sequel trilogy were supposed to deal significantly with criminal cartels corrupting and controlling swathes of the galaxy in the wake of the Empire's fall, so while the EU didn't go into too much detail with that, it's a huge shame not to see the parts that do be reflected within TR at all.

⁠@@RevanX771) Ryloth joined the NR pretty fast and appears as a NR member state in the X-Wing novels 2) We know that by the time of Daala, Zann is dead and his fleet gone, as per background lore for the Crusader 3) FoC and EaW are abstractions and we don’t know how much control Zann actually had over the planets. Especially with looking at i.e. Ryloth’s EU history.

​@@joelmcfly5172 1. It's been way too long since I've read X-Wing, but even though Ryloth aided the Rebel Alliance and Rogue Squadron visited it during the Bacta War and Twi'lek helped them, I can only find confirmation of the planet officially being part of the NR as of like the Yuuzahn Vong war. Even in much earlier estimates there's still a gap from the starting era of the mod to when we can make a guess. But moreover, Ryloth is a notoriously corrupt planet whose leadership has deep ties to the criminal underworld, so their exact member status isn't even that relevant for the topic at hand. 2. I'd need a more specific citation on that given that the Crusader was hardly a design that was monopolized by the Zann Consortium. But more importantly Zann potentially being dead by the time of Daala is not an argument against a potential faction inclusion, given that essentially ALL the Warlord factions are defacto-dissolved when Daala comes around, and the Duskhan League basically only exists openly in the galaxy for like a year, and they're still all existing factions. 3. EaWX is an EaW mod. By the standards of the game they controlled those planets, not just in a "you CAN capture them on the galactic map" way, but much more importantly in a "the story outright says they control these planets and have major bases there" way, which can't be so easily ignored. If you get too stringent with questioning how much other factions really "own" certain planets because multiple groups are operating there simultaneously or there's a conflict of allegiance, the basic idea of the galactic map just falls apart. If you go by the strictest interpretation possible, you could say they controlled at least four planets. Under a slightly looser interpretation, five or six. But if you look out into the wider EU and just examine places that are known for being lawless hives of criminal activity, that list of potential territory starts to get a lot bigger. Frankly I think 4-5 planets plus significant ground and space forces is already viable enough, considering how limited many Warlord starts can be already.

@@RevanX77 Since otherwise we will run in circles in the convo: We have no interest in making Zann a faction. We are happy with him as a Zsinj group

All the wanna be empires during Pellaeon’s reign will be represented per legitimacy

@@joelmcfly5172 Does it actually make sense for all the wannabe Imperial factions during Pellaeon's reign to be implemented as legitimacy, when their explicit reason for existing is opposing Pellaeon's legitimacy? It's a backwards idea.

@@RevanX77 It makes sense. You just need to assume that in lore Pellaeon didn’t had much legitimacy points and thus didn’t got them to follow him

@@joelmcfly5172 Naturally with the basis of how the game works, that does make sense. That is since it's impossible to ever make any sort of a peace pact in the game, and at least a significant point of the factions is they didn't want peace, it follows that they would join the mainline Remnant. That said, I don't know how you intend to deal with the second half of the Yuuzahn Vong war/LotF-era Galactic Federation of Free Alliances. Since at that point the factions are significantly intermingled.

It's on steam workshop. There's the main mod, EAWX:Thrawn's Revenge, and various optional submods.

I feel you on that one, Zero Command/Restored Empire/Second Imperium/Empire Reborn, while all relatively niche, are all fairly relevant as opposing factions to the main Imperial Remnant. It seems to me that if not added as a full faction, they should at least be around as some kind of counterpoint to the Imperial Legitimacy system, since they were all groups actively going against the idea of the Remnant's legitimacy and undermining their efforts. This is why someone like Blitzer Harrsk really can't be added as a legitimacy unit. So despite having sizable forces and relevance on the galactic stage, these groups have hardly any showing in the game at all. It's a shame, since Fyyar and the Doomgiver, and the Reborn, are pretty notable subjects in the games despite explicitly not being part of the mainline Imperial Remnant.

@@RevanX77 I think the big problem, especially for Harrsk, is how cluttered the Core and Inner Core are. However, maybe he could act like a branching AU path for the Remnant? Like, instead of Isard's coup, you can choose Harrsk. Kind of like Order 65 in FoTR.

Restored Empire definitely won't be playable, they're planned as Legitimacy Group

​@@magosmarechferracioli1128 In 3.3, you can choose between Isard or the Central Committee of Grand Moffs as two branching options after Sate Pestage, but I'm not sure if this includes Harrsk. However that's the only branch so far, otherwise the new update essentially allows any legit enough Imperial faction start progressing from the Dark Empire era Empire leadership while retaining their own base leader. So if they're legitimate enough the Teradoc brothers get to get Palpatine, then Jax, Daala, and Pellaeon. However to my knowledge there's no other branches, and I do think this system is a little erroneous in terms of it's actual logic. Like when progression is just the main Empire, of course it goes from Palpatine to Jax - That's how it worked, he took over on behalf of the Interim Ruling Council. But if you're Kaine or something, you essentially side with this former Royal Guard (who helped kill the Emperor), and share power with him, for no real reason. On top of this any of the warlords can unlock Lumiya as a legitimacy unit, meaning Jax's own secret Sith Master can also be part of your own faction or even the enemies, to no affect. Corey has talked before about adding an option to refuse the call from Palpatine to do Dark Empire, and I think that should lead to a larger branch in progression. If you refuse Dark Empire you're essentially refusing all the Sith influence in the Empire and trying to go legitimate. So if you do this, the player should only keep their own leader until Dark Empire is over, and from there progress through the Daala and Pellaeon regimes along with the Council of Moffs. Meanwhile, if the player goes Dark Empire, they get Palpatine and then progress into the Carnor Jax and Interim Ruling Council regime, and from there the Empire Reborn with Hethrir, Fyyar, and Desann, etc. Furthermore, maybe once the Dark Empire split happens, the types of legitimacy units you can unlock changes. If you go Dark Empire you can unlock more of those Imperial hardliner (Second Imperium/Restored Empire I mentioned before) heroes and Dark Jedi like Lumiya, whereas if you go "legit Empire" you unlock more of the normal Imperial military units instead. And since both of these are governmental options born out of the Dark Empire split, say if you start in a later era (Jax+) every time you change regimes, you get to choose whether to go mainline Imperial Remnant, or Empire Reborn. So if you're in the Daala era, you can choose to progress with Pellaeon, or you can choose to reject him and go Dark Side. In this way basically every Imperial campaign could progress very differently depending on the player's choices.

@@nemesis1st You mean the Empire Reborn and the Doombringer, right? I saw that in a stream but I wasn't sure how they were adding it. But that's just the thing, it really shouldn't be a legitimacy reward. The entire point of the group is that they're anti-the Imperial Remnant being legitimate. That's why even when the New Republic and Imperial Remnant have signed peace accords before the Outcast/Academy games, you have this group running around professing to be the true Imperial Remnant, attacking the New Republic. I think some of the legitimacy groups should be retooled and worked into a different system that more accurately represents who they are. As I said before while it's cool to unlock Lumiya, having her in your faction should seriously change the trajectory of how your regimes would progress.