he actually shows up more in the show than in the books, though people talk more about him in the books because Dorne is not a fucking waste of a story there
@@johnnyfives5416 That’s why we talk about his love and passion. Not his military success or political skills. I feel sad about the kings and queens that not allowed to feel like a normal person. In history we can see that.
@@mbsevindik it still not a excuse for making bad decisions that affects the common people. Ironically, his actions made the realm weak and divided that set the stage for a even more bloody war.
Considering she was forced upon him by his psycho abusive father when he was 16 and she 18 while she had a choice and he didn't I don't really blame him much, he was kind enough to come back and try to save her and their children instead of saving himself and running away with lyanna
@@snow1546 no he didn't. Sansa was only protected by a septs and Arya by an unarmed swordsman. Also even if what you said is true it still means that ned provided no sufficient guard for his daughters
@@ChaosAngel667 you’re a idiot if you watch the show when they are attacked you can hear fighting in the back ground neds men are trying their best to defend Sansa and Arya and he did what he could he even sacrificed his honor to ensure they were safe
@@snow1546 those were the soldiers which were spread through the city on neds orders. Arya and Sansa had no guards. Show me the scene were you prove me wrong.
Technically Robert caused the war for not realizing Lyanna despised him and never wanted to be with him. Oh wait, he did actually realize that. He just couldn't bear the thought of her loving another man so in a drunken stupor he fabricated a lie that would change the seven kingdoms forever and send it into a massive period of instability.
I was always fascinated how Game of Thrones was all thrown into motion through the actions of a dead man. Although dead, Rhaegar was the most important character for the series and everything that happened in it could be traces back to Rhaegar. Just brilliant stuff
@@NotDuncan remember the books, the Targaryen have visions of the future in their dreams, maybe Rhaegar knew only a stark/Targaryen could be Azor Ahai (the song of Ice and fire) and him having a son with Lyana was the only way maybe he even knew he was going to die in the hands of Robert and no other Targaryen will ever met a stark in time
Hard to fathom that this conversation or Lyanna & Rhaegar's love drama would've even crossed his mind while he was begging for his life at the end there.
I feel so bad for Elia Martel. She really did not deserve any of this. His whole riding past his wife to give Lyanna his favour is exactly what Henry VIII did to Katherine of Aragon. He disrespected his wife to give favour to Anne Boleyn. Just horrible asshat behaviour.
fleurgi Elia was the biggest victim of the war. First rhaeghar disrespects her by not crowning her the queen of love and beauty. Then he insults her house by eloping with lyanna. Then we find out that he anulled his marriage to lyanna,thus making lyanna queen instead of elia and making all of her children with rhaeghar bastards. There's also the fact elia ended up brutally murdered and raped(with her children killed as well) by a man rhaeghar knighted, due to a war rhaeghar started. As if to rub salt in the wound,we find out rhaeghar and lyanna named their son(jon) aegon,the same name as that of rhaeghar's first son with elia. Elia's entire story is basically rhaeghar finding new ways to shit on her
SAZ the laughing tree knight was lyanna stark they fell in love after rhaeghar find out they married in secret lyanna never loved Robert she loved rhaeghar Robert rebellion was a lyanna named Jon aegon targaren
Great acting by the actor of Ned Stark at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="65">1:05</a>. Truly amazing. He EXACTLY displays the emotions of keeping a secret, knowing that what Robert was saying was not true. Ned Stark is the real GOAT of GOT.
A wise man whose an accomplished stage actor told me Sean Bean is a terrible actor but has a manly “presence”. He evidence was that Sean constantly does this downward stare to display “worry or concern” prior to his line. It’s endemic to him. It’s all he knows. I freaked out after watching his pathetic performance in GOT. That downward stare is all he is capable of ! He uses this weak acting in the Frankenstein chronicles as well.
@@pattifunkhouse2932 "You think my life is some precious thing to me?" "I would've followed you anywhere, my brother...my captain...my king." Piss on whoever told you he was a terrible actor, sounds like a jealous hater to me.
Rhaegar parallels Robb Stark in a way. They were both the sons of great men destined to inherit their mantles yet were undone essentially by marrying the wrong person and dragging hundreds of thousands of people down with them for their mistake.
Rhaegar's grandfather married love over his betrothal of tully girl, like his father ( aegion the 5th ) married love over his betrothal of a cousin Targaryen.
Although I will say in Robb's defense he didn't start the war and he didn't intend on falling in love, plus his demands for peace were reasonable, it's just everyone around him ended up screwing him over. Rhaegar from the looks knew what he was doing, knew what it would cause, and did it anyway. I have more sympathy for Robb in this case.
An important part, if not the most important, of rhaegar's story is that he was a slightly weird/aloof child who suddenly was struck with a sort of divine inspiration to fulfill an ancient prophecy. His interest in the realm, his interest in history and knowledge, was not until he was inspired to pursue the prophecy. Before that, for all intents and purposes, he was a strange and unknowable child to almost everyone.
I have never been so captivated by a character that had been talked about for 7 full seasons like I was with Rhaegar. Hearing everybody’s different views of him. It really helped paint a picture of him. His kindness, his braveness, and in the end, his selfishness. Elia Martel and her kids were butchered because of him and that is heartbreaking. Honestly, I really hope that we get a Robert’s Rebellion prequel.
Was he really kind? In the real world if a man leaves his sick wife for a younger prettier girl he's usually considered a douchebag and an asshole and the girl is considered a homewrecker. Not to mention that it is kind of implied (in the books) that he didn't really love Lyanna, he only married her to complete his interpretation of the prince that was promised prophecy, he believed that a line in the prophecy stated that the prince that was promised must have 3 children. The show kind of implies the same thing though because in the show we see Dayne try to kill Ned on sight on orders of Rhaegar- he didn't care about Lyanna or her family(after all he did ride out to fight her two remaining brothers in the battle of the trident), he only cared about her offspring. Lyanna isn't much better either - she literally finds out that her future father-in-law killed her brother and father brutally and still decides to marry into that family. Add that to the fact that she knew he was married to Elia and still decided to marry him, and this clearly shows that Lyanna didn't care about anyone's feelings but her own. LIke I said in the real world we would consider both of them to be the lowest of the low but in fiction, we see this as a tragic love story.
@@johnv5827 Rhaegar took a second wife as a third pregnancy would kill Elia. That is explicitly an act of kindness. Rhaegar and Lyanna would have married long before Brandon was even arrested
Yep. That's when you know that Raeghar was all the things that Oberyn and Barriston Selmy said he was. Even Oberyn didn't blame Raeghar for her death and only cursed at the mountain and Lannisters.
I forgot who said it, but “Love is the death of duty” goes for the whole show. How many characters died acting out of love? Rhaegar, Littlefinger, Jaime, Dany, Robb, Oberyn (for his sister) etc and it was Jon who finally decided to choose duty over love
That was maester Aemon of the Nights watch who said it.... however, if I had to summarize the whole GoT story in a sentence, it would be "The things we do for love"
@@Zaneoo7 @Zane Connolly Unfortunately book Oberyn only avenged Elia and Aegon. Rhaenys still remains unavenged. She was killed by Ser Amory Lorch, who found her hiding under Rhaegar's bed, hoping he would protect her, and so Lorch dragged her out from it and stabbed her fifty times. Roose Bolton eventually fed him to a bear at Harrenhal, but it wasn't out of vengeance for Rhaenys.
Rhaegar and Lyanna remind me of Robb and his wife (can't remember her name...). both couples didn't care about others lives, if it meant they would be together.
Sansa Lemon Cake Stark Oh, lord. Despite your little crush on Robb the facts remain. Rhaegar- Leaves his wife and children to marry another woman. Allowed people to continuing to believe he kidnapped her and caused a war that an abhorrent amount of people died in. Plus her father and brother were burned alive by his father trying to get her back. Then saddling her newlywed brother with her kid to present as his bastard. Robb- Makes a vow to a man to marry his daughter for his help. Breaks his vow and married another woman. He got a lot of people killed. And he accomplished nothing in the end. He didn’t save his sisters and he didn’t avenge his father. He got his wife and unborn child killed. His mother. If Tywin and Roose hadn’t ended it with that dinner the North would have been entirely ruined. All in all, they broke their vows and got a lot of people killed. And all over a woman.
@@adw6894 1. Technically she was his wife not his mistress as he did formally marry her though in secret. 2. Remember he died in the Battle of the Trident which was before the sack of King's landing. At the time of his death Ella and her children were in presumably one of the safest places in the realm the Red Keep of King's Landing. Also the plan was for the women and children to be sent to Dragonstone prior to the war reaching King's Landing. However, King Aerys decided to send only his queen and son to Dragonstone and refused to allow Ella and her children to leave. Don't get me wrong, Rheagar did not do right by Ella at all! But from his perspective i could understand how he could not foresee the horrible end that befell them.
Rhaegar knowingly sacrificing himself to create the right conditions for his son to fulfill his destiny as the hero who would save the world from the return of the White Walkers: 🗿
@@HarshDude126 yeah, except Arya killed the white walkers. Also, half of all Targaryens thought their son would be Prince that was Promised, Rhaegar was just another delusional man that kinda happened to be right. Rhaegar was a selfish idiot that got thousands killed, including his own wife and children, over a "dream". There was absolutely nothing noble about that weirdo.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 Arya taking down the Night King isn’t canon. Don’t bring D&D’s weird fanfic nonsense into this. In the books, Jon is actually the prince who was promised, the one destined to save the world. Rhaegar wasn’t delusional, he was right. He sacrificed himself, his family, and thousands of others to ensure the survival of the human race. Rhaegar is the most noble character in ASOIAF.
It’s such a tragedy that Dany never knew how good of a man Ned actually was, I have no doubt that he would’ve taken her to raise at Winterfell in secret to keep her safe, given the opportunity.
He even tried to save her in the first season and gave up his position as hand of the king when it was enacted. He wasn't loyal to the targaryens but to innocent children. We should have gotten a scene like that
"So they will not , for love is the bane of honor, the death of duty. What is honor compared to a woman's love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms ... or the memory of a brother's smile? Wind and words." - Maestor Aemon (Targaryen)
its very clear rhaegar and lyanna were in love. But how selfish were they to elope knowing full well it would start a war where tens of thousands would die. Why did Lyanna stay put when her brother and father were brutally murdered for trying to bring her back? Hopefully George will explain. Otherwise I don't understand why anyone would admire these two.
TheUndyingCrystal that’s the only reason I can think of as to why Lyanna would stay after everything that happened. She must’ve bought into the prophecy. I also think Elia Martel was supportive of Rhaegar & his obsession of the prophecy, perhaps even permitting him to seek out the right woman (Lyanna) to assist him with fulfilling the prophecy, who knows?
@@neneray310 i mean how would mace march with his army of 50000 from storms end to the trident in that short amount of time. I'd say it was dumb of him to siege storms end but who would have known that stannis be such a hardass
+First Last Well, we know that Littlefinger knows that it is a lie. The look he gives Sansa when she says Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna while they are in they crypts says it all. In fact, we know that LF started the lie as a young boy as saw how powerful lies were as it caused Brandon Stark and Rickon Stark to go to King's Landing--where the Mad King would kill them horribly. Then came Robert's Rebellion. All of it Littlefinger's fault.
Rhaegar gets way to much credit for what he did. He was the last straw that broke the camels back. People where fed up with the mad king, the was was bound to happen. They just needed a guy like Robert to go off.
thing is, its hinted at in the books that Rhaegar planned to remove the Mad King from the throne and become king himself, because he seen how bad his father was getting. Sadly Robert killed him before this could happen.
@@PointyPaints lol what? Rhaegar had plenty of time to depose his father but did jack shit, hell if he wanted to he could have deposed his father at the tournament and who among the lords and Kingsguard would stand against him, fucking no one important. Instead he sat on his hands for a fucking year before running off with a 15 year old girl he met one time as the kingdoms descend into civil war Yeah King Bobby B was definitely justified in killing Rhaegar.
Everyone was placing all their hopes on Rhaegar, biding their time for him to either depose his father or for the Mad King to finally drop dead of paranoia. Rhaegar seemed the perfect prince and future king..........until he absconded with Lyanna Stark and we all know how it went from there.
He never did anything for love. Maybe he loved lyanna bt his entire life was for the prophecy first believing he was the fabled prince and then finally understanding it's supposed to be his son
You can really see the inspiration this story took from Hellen of Troy, the Greeks destroyed Troy because they were told she was raped and kidnapped (like Roberts rebellion) but she and Paris were actually in love.
Eh...some sources claim that Paris died during the war, and later Helen actually returned to Menelaus willingly and lived happily and even had a daughter. Apparently it was Aphrodite who used her magic to make Helen fall for Paris as it was his reward per their deal.
Hunter Wanzell he didn't "destroy" him they were quite evenly matched and Rhaeger even wounded Robert so badly he couldn't lead the army to Kings Landing, but yeah in the end he slew him
@@alfiehammond7574 He fucking destoryed him with a strike to the chest his fucking chestplate fell off lmao. What an idiot that Targ was. So glad his family is extinct now.
(and conveniently glosses over the fact that he humilliated his pregnant wife and discarded her with no hesitation when she stopped being useful. The fact that he mirrors the worst Targaryen Kings doesn't help matters).
@@OreoOreoCookie234 He does tho 💀 He's irrational, has flights of fancy and thinks he's Aegon come again until he realizes he's not, and then he throws the kingdom, millions of lives and his children away to fulfill a prophecy that he's wrong about to start with.
where in the books does it say that he was obsessed? we know he knew about the prophecy, as did all Targaryens before him, and they all believed in it... And it ended up being true... So, what's your point?
In the books it’s theorized that Rhaegar only wanted Lyanna to birth the prince who was promised. A child with blood of the first men and the blood of valyria. He was apparently obsessed with prophecy and legend. He believed that he must have three children, but Elyia Martell couldn’t give him a third...
Actually I think he was trying to recreate the trio that conquered Westeros: Aegon and his sister-wives, Rhaenys and Visenya. He already had Aegon and Rhaenys with Elia Martell but like you said, she couldn't have anymore kids, so he sought out a new wife to give him a second daughter, Visenya. I think he believed his son was the Prince that was Promised but to fulfill the prophecy, he'd have to grow up and marry his two sisters, just as Aegon I did, as that would be the only way to complete the three-headed dragon
You don't know how disappointed I was when he appeared in the show. I read so many times that he was super handsome, everything a prince should be and look and D&D gave us an average dude 😅😅
In the real world, Rhaegar and Lyanna would be seen as the lowest of the low but in fiction, we see them as a tragic love story. Any man that leaves his sick wife for a younger prettier wife would be destroyed by social media in the real world and Lyanna would be seen as a homewrecker.
@@johnv5827it doesn't really matter what he did. He had a vision (a targaryan vision) and all his intentions and deeds were to fulfill that prophecy. In the end he sacrificed his whole life, experience, joy, love. Just to birth jon snow in the world
@@kc_h7h and in the show, Jon doesn't fulfil any kind of prophecy. The Prince That Was Promised is just a story people made up, Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna, started a civil war and got hundreds of thousands of people killed and it accomplished nothing
Rhaegar was the hope that a good King would keep Westeros stable, especially after Aerys went mad....unfortunately most people didnt knew he was prophecy mad....and the people who knew him, and loved him, ended up DEAD because of him...
Raeghar was one the one most irresponsible person in this word. How could he thought that everything would be fine after « fake a kidnapping » with Lyanna Stark. They were stupid and irresponsible. Because of them, Elia and her children died in a tragic way
Because he couldn’t predict the future? Brandon was the one who thought riding up to King’s Landing for a fight over (false) information was a good idea. Aerys was the one who ordered Arryn to murder Robert and Ned (and he refused). Rhaegar was not a prophet.
It's freaky how at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="21">0:21</a> the actress they got to play Lyanna eerily looks like Danaerys, with just a sprinkle of Arya. At least in that shot I think she does
"We don't get to choose who we love" - Jaime Lannister True, but we do get to choose what we do with that love. Think about how things would be different certain GoT characters had managed to keep it in their pants, stayed faithful etc. I'm not advocating celibacy, by any measure, but thinking about the consequences of your actions before getting a room might help. Just a bit.
AximandTheCursed Exactly. It's one of the reasons why I like jon so much. He fell in love with a wildling girl despite being a brother of the night's watch. I am sure some part of him wanted to betray the night's watch and live a long,happy life with ygritte,but in the end his duty won over his love for ygritte. If rhaeghar had been more like his son a lot of bloodshed could have been avoided
You're forgetting that the night's watch men were not entirely happy about Jon's kindness to the wildlings... end of season 5 Everyone in GoT can die for any reason at any time so trying to be noble won't get you anywhere *cough* Ned Stark *cough*
And yet, without Ned's example, how many people would have acted selfishly? If everyone acted purely out of narrow-minded self-interest, everyone would be screwing everyone else over, nobody would work together and they would all be easy prey for the White Walkers. People who are douchebags will always be douchebags, but if everyone was like that, when they need help, nothing would happen.
I wouldn't say scumbags when you think about it in GoT's / medieval context. People are forced to marry people they don't care for or even hate just to make alliances. Here they loved each other and wanted to be together despite their family decisions, which is understandable. Could argue it was selfish for not thinking about the consequences but they were young. Kind of a Romeo Juliet scenario when you think about it.
Rhaegar fought bravely, Rhaegar fought nobly and Rhaegar died. This line is so good and basically tells you that how good someone may be, they can suddenly die.
There´s actually 2 hints no one has ever seemed to pick up on. 1. Ned looking at his feet in the crypt when Rob talked about ending the Targ line, while a couple scenes earlier or later we get Catelyn warning Bran about the castle parkour, and that she knows he always looks at his feet before lying. 2. When they find the Direwolf pups. Eddard is stern to all his kids, about the wolves; not going to survive, so better a quick death. Jon gives Ned a speech about houses, words and sigils and Ned flips 180 degrees and allows the kids to adopt the puppers. The first time I read that part I thought to myself: "Why the hell do you scorn your real kids, but you genuinly listen to the bastard?"
*"Father never talked about her"* Anyone wouldn't want to talk about the time they ordered thousands to kill and get killed just because they were misinformed
Lot of folks in these comments talking like it was Rhaegar and Lyanna who set off the rebellion, and not whoever told the Starks that Lyanna had been kidnapped instead of running off of her own accord. Robert would've be plenty upset if she'd run off willingly, of course, but the Starks would likely have taken a very different view (and probably kept their heads in the process), and Robert wouldn't have gotten far on his own.
Rhaegar and Lyanna were class a level selfish jerks. One letter could have prevented a lot of deaths and bloodbath. Had Lyanna sent a letter to her family there's a chance her father and brother wouldn't have died the way they did. Fucking in that tower for months while thousands died and probably not showing any contrition makes them horrible people. I don't know how Ned was repentant to his sister when he found her. Sure, he was happy to see her and Lyanna was one foot in the grave, but given her actions and the repercussions, I'd have been fucking pissed off and chastising her for the shit their behavior caused. Rhaegar and Lyanna deserved exactly what they got.
I thought this point as well, but if the show's portrayal of Robert's Rebellion being a lie is true, then who knows what deception may have happened in between the "kidnapping" and her death. Missed raven messages not reaching their destination due to treachery is my prediction.
Rheagar and Lyanna’s story gives me Helen of Troy vibes. Clearly that was the inspiration for GRRM. Rheagar and Lyanna were selfish and their forbidden love brought about the fall of the Targyrian dynasty and killed hundreds of thousands.
eh, Rheagar knew that if he didn't have a child with a Stark, humanity was doomed, he knew the prophecy was real, and that time was up, the show ruined it by having it not end quite right, but the books will not, Jon Snow had to be born or else doom would befall the world.
@@amitupadhyay4015 out of all the crimes commited in this series, this was one of the lesser ones, considering in the Books Jon will likely save humanity, and Lyanna was compliant in it, the only problem with what happened is that Robert went apeshit, which he was, I suppose, entitled to.
@@keithfilibeck2390 If it all happened for prophecy then Rhaegar was not in love. And Lynna was nothing but a baby factory for him. And Rhaegar was a groomer who abandoned his wife and children. The problem isn't the the motive but fandoms attitude which considers it romance. It was not. Robert didn't start rebellion because he felt entitled. Jon Arryn started it when he refused to execute Robert and Ned, as wished by Aerys.
The idea that Lyanna do not like Robert for being womanizer, but loves a married man is just stupid. I expect that the truth will be a little different on the books.
I hope Robert got to the afterlife and Rhaegar and Lyanna were both like "Yeah, she probably should've married you, Robert. We would've avoided a huge war and we didn't even need Jon to stop the zombies. Sorry I stole your promised, Robert."
The best off screen acting award goes to rhaegar even though we don't hear him talking in the books but everyone is talking about him it makes us more love the character that we haven't seen
Targcel be like: Noooo she can't be married to Robert, he's just a drunken man, not a good man and definitely not a good husband. Also Targcel: defended Rhaegar, a guy who left his wife and children to meet a horrific fate, doomed his entire house, and kidnap underage girl
Seems to me that Rhaegar and Lyanna were an reinterpretation of Lancelot and Guinevere. Both loved each other, but because of their passions, members of the Round Table started to hate each other, King Arthur's authority was questionned to the point where he had no other choice but to make war to his best knight and loyal friend. Their love started a series of event that brought the end of the arthurian age. Both survived the downfall and both went seperately on a road of repentance for the remaining of their lifes at the price of their own selfish desires.
what gets forgotten is that even though it was presented as a Lovestory, from what we now Lyanna was somewhat realistic, she would never have agreed to Rheagar taking her away from her Family, getting her Pregnant which (because he already was married) would be considered a Bastard later on, and throwing her and Elia obviously under the Bus, for what he though was ment to be Destiny cause hes the chosen one. The whole Point of the many POVs is to proof that there is no chosen one, there are only People, and RHeagar was more than willing to sacrafice 2 Woman and a Whole Kingdom for his Idea of Destiny
Nobody talks about Aerys Targeryan mad King...how he still supported his son knowing he was wrong to ditch elia martell yet still he went to wars against great houses for his sons mistake.
And season 8 just ruined everything and didnt explore so many amazing possibilities to make the show even more epic. Wish they spent an entire season of the Night King and wouldve loved to see them all fight together at Kings Landing. Wouldve been awesome to see everyone's reaction that Robert's rebellion was based on a lie and that Ned Stark was actually protecting his son this entire time, wouldve made him even more noble. Wouldve been cool to see how all the main characters react when they find out Jon is the true heir to the iron throne. Wouldve been cool to see Jon vs the Night King Wouldve been to cool to see the Night King's generals not be fucking useless Wouldve been cool to see Arya's journey to kill Cersei Wouldve been to cool to see Danaerys and Jon get a much better ending than the one we got. RIP to all those people who named their kids after Danaerys
If only he had remained faithful to Elia Martell, he wouldn't have died like this. He could have arranged Cersei to marry Viserys to keep Tywin Lannister happy, if Elia passed away he could've married Lyanna afterwards and kept Dorne at peace. Brandon would've been alive and happy, he wouldn't support Robert.
Honestly people get a lot wrong with Rhaegar though. Most people either think hes a great guy or that hes a cruel monster but he was neither. Rhaegar gave Lyanna the crown at the tourney of Harrenhall because she was the knight of the laughing tree not because he wanted to have babies with her yet. Most people forget that he went back to Dragonstone for months until Elia gave birth but was told she was too frail and sickly to have a third child. The vision in the House of Undying was what showed it. Rhaegar refers to his son Aegon (his firstborn not Jon) as the prince that was promised and that his song is that of ice and fire. He never believed that he needed to have a child with a Stark. It was only when he learned that she could no longer have a third child that he needed to find another. He most likely kept in contact with Lyanna after though and he would eventually come to Harrenhall (where she was most likely staying since everyone else was at Riverrun or the Eyrie) and help her escape to the Tower of Joy. People also forget what Oberyn says in both the show and the books that Dorne does not care about paramours or bastards so Elia would probably not care about Rhaegar leaving with Lyanna. Rhaegar most likely spent his time working out deals with the Dornish since they still wanted Aegon and Rhaenys in the line of sucession so that most likely took up most of his time. Ultimatly Rhaegar dying was the tragedy of the series. He is always described as a good man who would be a good king even with some of his short comings. Rhaegar dying led to everything that happened in the series but ultimatly he was vindicated in his belief in the prophecy of the prince that was promised. Jon Snow will most likely be that in the books and the show didn’t include this even though it is an important part of the asoiaf series. Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
@@fightingmedialounge519 That is the name of the game when talking about asoiaf. The fact is we just don’t know and will never know until Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring comes out. So we will never know.
@@funkiestisland2209 no, you can just go off of information given and not treat your assumptions as the undisputed truth. The game playing is that of a presumptuous fan.
@@fightingmedialounge519 not really bro. I don’t get the hostility but its just a theory. Yea he could be a dick but much of this comes from information we have and inferences we can make based off what we do know. We know Rhaegar was not a bloodthirsty warlord like Robert claimed, why? Well because he simply is never described as such and dosen’t act like it in the house of the undying. You would think if he was a Robert level asshole then he would have gotten mad over Elia not being able to have another child. We know Lyanna was the knight of the laughing tree based on a few detailes about it. The booming voice helped conceal her identity and that the knight is not only never seen again but Aerys sent Rhaegar to find them. If he did then thats how he met her and would be a more logical explanation as to why he gave her the crown and not Elia. The show made cannon that Rhaegar and Lyanna eloped and she wasn’t kidnapped and raped. We have the evidence of the house of undying that Rhaegar did not believe that Jon Snow would be the prince that was promised and that he would not have had Jon with Lyanna if Elia could birth another child. The part about Dornish culture is just fact even if you had only watched the show you would still know that. While the prince that was promised plot has not been completed in the books and wasn’t in the show we can make the assumption that its either someone like Jon or Dany based on the requirements of the prophecy coming true. So whats the major assumption? That most of this connects to make Rhaegar a good man. Well at least by westerosi standards he might not be Jesus or anything. So yes just as saying that Rhaegar is evil we do go off of theories since GRRM does not want to finish his story. No need to be hostile towards me just because you disagree you could simply leave a dislike and move on. Most of this is from what we know either from the books or show which was using the ending GRRM gave them.
It's so cool watching game of thrones a second time and seeing how well the actors actually did at portraying that they knew more then what was being said. The look and smirk of little finger who clearly knew the truth, ned stark grimacing . Means more when you know the truth
to all those people saying rheghar was an asshole, well he was human and didnt robb stark do the same? he put love infront of honor and loyalty .....he could have become king easily yet he chose to be selfish like rheagar
ahmar anwar Robb was a boy thrust into war. In the books he was what, 15, and chose the honor of another girl above his own. While Walder Frey would have betrayed him anyway, he had no way of knowing what would happen. He made a mistake. Rhaegar was a grown ass man who knew better, had a wife, kids, abandoned them and left them to be raped & murdered. All so he could fuck a 15 year old girl.
Why do i get "passive aggresive" and "toxic manipulator" vibes from Rhaegar? Ok, he liked singing and hated killing, but he humiliated Elia Martell in front of the entire realm and caused a civil war because he only thought about himself and his feelings
He was a young guy who was forced into a marriage he didn't wanted. What else do you expect from him when he falls actually in love with someone for the sake of love and not for duty? Also the civil war didn't start because of Raeghar. It started because of the Mad king who killed Ned's brother and father and Jon Arryn started the revolt with the North and Storm's end at his side. The ones who were fighting for the Targeryans were fighting for the sake of Raeghar and not the mad king. That's why as soon as Raeghar died, you will see Tywin coming out to sack King's landing
If Lord Ned Stark takes advantage of the opportunities available to him, Game of Thrones will end with a single season. And we should also miss the epic series.
Aurora Lara even if that was his only fault it doesn't mean he is innocent the war and every fucking thing in the series is because of him even if he loved her he could ve done somthing he just escaped with her and didnt tell any one the truth he is selfish he didn't care about the fucking war and how many lives would die because of what he did why didn't he explained the truth to the world why did he hide lyanna ( i know my English isn't perfect)
The City was sacked because Aerys was a dumbass. If you read the World of Ice and Fire you would know that Aerys pretty much hated and distrusted Tywin for years once his madness came to a boil. Yet he allowed the Lannister army into Kings Landing despite the way he treated Tywin. Brandon Stark and Rickard Stark going to Kings Landing to demand ANYTHING from King Aerys (during this period) was suicide.
Remember, this show was written by someone who rewrote the Fall of Troy depicting Paris getting his family and city destroyed in a positive light, they easily would have rewritten it so Rhaegar abducting Lyanna was romanticized
"Rhaegar at tourney" story has been referenced at various instances throughout GOT, yet it was never picturised. Something that makes it even more beautiful.
Oh man, I neglect to check my subscriptions for a few days and this precious gem was waiting for me? That's what I get for not turning on the notifications. Happy New Year, good sir! I hope and pray it prospers you greatly.
The editing and choice of dialogue is phenomenal… not to mention the use of Dr. Ford’s score! Game of Thrones will always be my no.1 show, despite everything after s6 ep10 ( A.K.A peakkk GoT). However, Westworld season 1 is also up there as the best I’ve ever seen and just like GoT, a lot of that was down to an amazing soundtrack by Ramin Djawadi. I can’t believe how good Westworld season 1 genuinely was, such a compelling story of the mind and reality itself. It definitely does NOT get its flowers.
@@Theshadowdemon9go ahead and defend a married man who abandoned his wife and 2 kids for a teenager and started a war that causes the death if thousands.
Tywin lannister : "madness, madness and stupidity" aerys madness and rhaegar stupidity, daenerys madness and jon snow stupidity. what an end to the targaryen.
@@grayskies8434 originally tywin quote is not directed to the targs actually is about joffrey and cersei. he said it after joffrey executed ned stark in season 1 episode 10.
Hey Joseph, thanks for watching. I agree with you about Rhaegar. I noticed my video is getting a lot of views and comments recently? Was this video posted somewhere?
Some say Rhaegar choosing Lyanna over his wife at the tourney of Harrenhall started the mess but forget that Garth the Gross (formerly Garth the handsome) could’ve married Elia Martell when he let one rip in front of her that she ridiculed him with the nickname. She’d end up betrothed and married to Rhaegar
