Everything Revealed About Age of Sigmar 4th Edition at Adepticon 

Hope this video was a useful summary. Let me know if I missed anything!

Man i really don’t want simpler units with less unique rules

Simplified not simple was the core idea of 10th 40K. It did not work well for them, I escaped to AoS but it seems to be following me. My main gripe was that they completely changed how armies played. Nurgle wasn’t tough, Votann weren’t elite, Red Corsairs played like Black legion/ alpha legion/ every other CSM sub faction because there were no sub-faction.

I'm gonna post this on every AOS 4th vid to see what others think: i thought the trailer was awesome but I've never seen developers talk about a game where it got worse and worse and WORSE as they kept talking. I feel bad for the AOS community. Anyone else? Gor or bad?

There goes my unique units

Please don't 40k my AoS. I left 40k for it.

The issue with over simplifying rules is that it removes that desire to create custom groups. At some point you reach a threshold where the game becomes too simple that it no longer feels like a battle of wits and its just dice rolling I play guard and up to 9th, you had many options for creating your own regiment. Now you don't, its all point enhancements. I admit that they did cut down the stratagem issue but they also removed many relics that made custom character making so fun. And given that we were the second last codex released before 10th, I have little hope to see us getting a new one soon.

I think that by simplifying the game, they could make the factions MORE unique, instead of less unique, for example, sylvaneth should be the ONLY faction that is able to teleport. Storm cast should be the ONLY faction that can do. Mortals on sixs, lumineth should be the ONLY army that has auto casts etc.

as a new player this will be great time to get started! keep it simple and fun

We didn't get any model reveals, but we we can make some guesses from the video we saw. Things I noted, the new Skaven multi-crew gatling gun war machine, which we saw sprew leak for, but also things like the new Stormcast warriors that with their souls almost gone, the hero guy with the flaming ax on a super buff griffcharger looking thing, and Skaven cavalry. I'm excited.

Just discovered your channel. Great video, summarized it better than any channel so far. Very happy to subscribe and see more. You don't have an online AoScommunity to play with, do you?

@7:20 :') Also, I'm hoping the weapon ranges means it's more appropriate to mix different melee weapons together, so your units look a bit more diverse.

I’m super hyped, I hope skaven get new models that be amazing I do hope they don’t pull a 10 edition tbh

I picked up World Eaters at the end of 9th ed 40k then their book was immediately invalidated.. guess I should have learned because I also picked up the new Flesheater Courts. Got hit with the double whammy

“Simplified not simple” is what they did with 10e and I’m looking to sell all my 40k figs and play warhammer the old world instead.

I'm not as worried about this as I am annoyed about 40k, because AOS is already kind of streamlined. A lot of the changes made to 40k that have made 10th less fun than 9th (for me) are stuff that aren't even things in AOS. Ex: Individual model point values/upgrade values - you already do it in AOS like 10th edition 40k. Same thing with most units having one or two special rules - and then if you make say... Champion, Musician and Standard Bearer into universal special rules that all do the same thing (which a lot of the time they already do anyway) - it's just cutting down on clutter. AoS also doesn't have the Strategem Bloat problem 40k did (one of the areas where I was OK with them cutting the clutter tbh, especially since a lot of them were just duplicates with different names for different factions) *That said* - this card system thing might well be like Strategems and I'm not sure how I feel about that. We'll see I guess? My three areas of concern are: Enhancements - 40k went from having a similarly-robust set of enhancement options as AOS - letting you really customize a character and giving you a reason not to want to use a named character... to... having 4 enhancements per detatchment (we'll get to that) and they all cost points. Meaning a lot of the time you may as well grab a named character who does something special on their own and just proxy your own model for them. - I worry they'll do similar in AOS. Subfactions - It might not be a big deal in AOS as current subfactions have pretty simple rules for the most part - closer to Detatchments in 40k than 40ks 9th edition subfactions with a full page of rules of their own. So it might not be a problem - but the way they absolutely gutted a lot of staple subfactions in 40k hurt. Hero Phase Magic - this is the biggy - 40k used to have a Psychic Phase, which was kinda like the Hero phase except exclusively for your magical stuff. I get condensing it down... but they didn't just say... make you do psychic stuff in the Command Phase. They basically gutted psychic powers as a thing. And that's my big concern - that they'll go 'magic is too complicated' and super simplify it. I would hate that. I could live with it cause my planned Hedonites army only has a single caster anyway and I don't plan to use much in the way of Endless spells (if they even exist) - but still, it would suck. --- I'm actually overall optimistic though - a lot of the stuff that got changed in 40k from 9th to 10th was to make it more like AOS, which annoyed longtime 40k players for understandable reasons but would have zero effect on AoS players cause it's already that way. So I'm hoping this just means stuff like "instead of having to say 'this unit deals mortal wounds on a 6 to hit' and giving it a fancy name you just say Critical Hit: Mortal Wounds or something. That's my hope for anyway. I'll cross my fingers.

even though I don't play any more, since I prefer the more organized play and shorter games of Magic the gathering, it's still very cool to see the changes they're making. It's fantastic that the game is becoming more elegant with better designed warscroll layouts. I hope the game becomes less fiddley in the wrong ways. Would like either shorter turns, or more interaction when it's not your turn.

Hyped but worried haha

Are the beasts of chaos represented in the spearhead boxes? Just double checking that they aren’t going to be squatted!

Cool, it may be time to pick up a copy of the 3 ed rules and some battletomes once people start dumping them for 4th.

This year seems to be my year for starting back into fantasy gaming. First Warhammer The Old World and this Summer a chance to start Age Of Sigmar too.

My fear is that Games Workshop may be deliberately making 40k and Age of Sigmar worse to sell more ToW and Horus Heresy because their games is supposedly "better". Or is it such a difficult task to make ALL games equally good?

10th gave us unit leaders back, and took away casting. I mean, those both do make it easier to learn and play. And get heroes in whacking/unit supporting range. Much as the Keywords made everything feel a bit similar, it did make it super easy to remember.

I just want a skaven refresh LOL

I'm mostly into AoS for the hobby aspect, but the rules make it more fun to think about and listbuild. No weapon ranges fixes some of the units in factions they i like. Spite Revenants are cheap Sylvaneth units with no defenses, weak attacks but they do Mortal Wounds on 6s to hit. They're clearly designed as a horde unit, but in 3rd edition, you're only allowed to attack with five at a time, lol. My understanding is that most people are happy with 3rd edition. Probably the biggest complaint is that battle tactics aren't fun. The development team has a lot of pressure to make 4th just as good! I'll also be cautiously optimistic about the new rules. Hoping Spearhead is fun because i might actually finish painting a spearhead before the end of the year!😅

I am curious to know what kind of deal the horned one made with the everchosen, since the last time a deal would be drawn out, the everchosen spat in the horn rat face

Ikrit been up to something

Everyone needs to relax about simplified rules. This happens often with GW. I remember when 40k 3rd edition was released. Very simple rules. My Orks lost quite a few of unique rules and interactions. However, the games went faster. Then, over time, the rules continued to bloat and pretty soon unique Ork rules returned. I think of these editions as palette cleansers. Its a reset before additional rules get added. Hopefully helping a little with balance. That, and I've been playing Skaven since 3rd edition of WHFB and I'm extatic to see my rats get some love. I had stepped away from AOS for the last few years. After converting my 4000 points of skaven from square bases to round, only to not see any real additions to the faction for years, left me feeling disenchanted. I packed away my rats and played other games. But I'm back now baby!

40K did this apparently, and it wasn't good according to some guy's video I watched. You're welcome.

Just finished my cities of sigmar army. Oh crap. Need a new book?

Just hoping I don't have to buy a new book, but I don't think I'll be that lucky.

Any hope/ expectation the game loses igyg and instead adopts alternating activations? So many complaints about shooting and magic just... go away if one person can't activate their whole army at once, and those things can still be kept strong and impactful for those people who like to use them

I just hope when they release the tomes they Don't put the rules to play the faction behind a paywall like they did to the 40K indexs once the Codex's released

Very excited for this. AoS is a little bit of a mess right now and really looking forward to getting my armies out for a fresh start and a fresh hobby project. GW will be GW and everything people are concerned about is going to happen. Yet it’s still going to be good.

ALL PRAISE-WORSHIP THE 5th CHAOS GOD THE GREAT HORNED RAT!!! Yes-yes 🐀 🐀🐀🐀

Index hammer is why I quit playing 10th and went back to 9th. Thus far I’ve only played a handful of AoS games so I can still back out and not be horribly disappointed by how much GW will homogenize the game

Decepticons

Dude this having to buy a $55 book is not awesome.

And so GW kills off yet another game. "Simplified not simple" just means "we made changes that our older audience didn't like, so we need to get new replacements by removing the few remaining unique rules of each faction and any form of nuance."

They didn’t need to change rulesets. This is going to be shit.

Hey we got a new edition for you! All your battletomes you bought a few months ago are worthless. And it will take a few years to balance and stabilize the game with regularly rule updates (We just dont manage to do that before we release the rules). In a few years you can buy new battletomes that disrupt the game balance due to silly OP combos and other bullshit. Then your battletomes get worthless again cause a new edition is on the horizon! - "The classic GW cycle" Replace battletomes with Codexes for 40k. They just want to sell you new miniatures and overpriced books. Thats it, sadly!

already hate it just because of that combat range BS. with the rest i would be ok

gw doesn't care about anyone

I laughed so much at that "cinematic" video. So woke and laughable. The Skaven look cool though. Hope the rules are good.

hello mysidia91 so "Sigmar lied..but Nagash isn't a good guy" Much is demanded from those much is GIVEN tbh Amnesia is a small price to pay for Immortality IMO