Oh snap, I'd forgotten about that tablecloth; I remember asking Doug about it, but I think he said it was nothing more than a proof-of-concept thing, and that the actual implementation of it en masse wouldn't be worth it, especially since they'd basically have to outsource the production since they're not a textile plant. I could ask him if you want confirmation.
Appreciate the effort here, many weeks of work with lots of hands involved. The hidden magnet innovation is brilliant, very cool design for the hinges and good idea to plug the bottom holes with the rubber feet. Love the two way dice tower and the table tray. I also like the laminated wood combos themed on class, they're very slick in the dice trays and the wood combos work pretty well here too. I've followed the whole design arc up to today and as someone who was pretty pumped/motivated to buy a Wyrmwood GM screen, I wanna briefly outline why I won't be backing this product this go round. 1. The justification for laminated solid wood panel vs 'frame and panel' construction was aggressive pricing. The most modest offering is landing at $65 for a standard panel and quickly ramps up from there, which is more than twice what the hopeful target was. I know that cost probably includes supply chain issues, inflation, magnet sourcing, etc. But I don't like the look of it and the price isn't low enough to justify the compromise. Jason was right from the get go, frame and panel would've been superior. 2. The display port shield, in my opinion, is a woefully inadequate substitution for back panel customization. Lots of people who followed this design journey threw out amazing ideas for panel customization and I'm not keen on where we ended up. 3. Although the hidden magnet hinge is a huge success, I do worry about the tiny slice of wood between the edge of the panel and that magnet. Even in your preview video at 2:47, you can see the top of that Panel sandwiched between the magnet and the Dice Tower has broken and splintered off. I hope the product launch is a success for you all; tons of people worked really hard on it and deserve to see it do well. Unfortunately it's just not what I was hoping for. Thanks for sharing the journey.
Been commenting on these videos about Frame and Panel being the way to go all along. Totally agree with everything you said here mate. Final product looks nice, but its way to expensive and space consuming for an accessory item. Granted I have never used a screen and never will dont like creating barriers between myself and my players, but if I were to use one I would want something more compact and easier to move about. Travel with these things is going to be annoying.
@@fjorgthebuilder I use the stratagem one, got it on Amazon for like 20 bucks. It's plastic and folds up pretty small. I like using it when my group plays in person because it's where all my notes are, and it comes with sheets that have a lot of useful information on them already. I found 3 of the 4 really useful, and the 4th I swapped out for a sheet of stuff that I wanted to keep track of.
I've been looking at comparable sized panel/frame woods to build my own screens, of course before milling out magnet holes and metal bars, finishing wood stains / sealant, etc.. and it can be done for way way less.. obviously they have to make a profit for the time and work, but each panel could easily start at $30 instead of $65. Even with solids though, the wood itself should be less than $10/panel, with cuts, stain, sealer, milling and magnets, etc.. still under $20 each before labor cost. So.. I think I'm just gonna try to make my own and then even if I fail to match their quality, I spent a lot less still and I have tools and materials for the future. I'd personally like to add laser engraving as well.
Damn I really wish it wasnt so expensive. Time to look up how to make my own because 3 panels with the wood I want starts out at 600+. No payment plan neither. great looking screen, just too pricy for the average person I feel like.
I just looked at the site to see how it would look and the Necromancer (black walnut) is BEAUTIFUL! With the dice tower in a dark color, it's a magnificent table centerpiece.
i love wyrmwood stuff. that being said, im a cabinet maker and i have no idea how or why anyone would spend this amount of money for what equates to a squared up off cut with some magnets and frilly chamfers. This is something your kids could make you in their first year fab-tech class. so imma pass on this one
Ok I do some wood working, and occasionally take some private requests. Why does it cost so much? Well R&D to come up with the modular designs, some expesive hard woods, and probably the most of it, time to manufacture. Even if it is made in a partial assembly line (which I really have no idea how they are made), the development of that process and time for finishing and all the custom work for each order justifies the price. Which if I setup how i wanted with several extra features would be around $530, honestly not a bad price. If i wanted something like this, I would probably make on my own for about half or a third the price in lumber, but I already have the tools I would need, which are not cheap, and it would take me a few full days of work to finish to match their style and quality, yes this can be simplified alot and be way cheaper, but sometimes people what something with a nice design and finish.
Not a cabinet maker, yet I agree. I could make 6 of these for the price of one panel. I suppose it's time to bust out the table saw and router. That being said, there are probably people who would pay for these; however, it's truly remarkable that they are able to sell such a simple idea at such a high price. Super cool, very impractical.
for real , a trip to home depot and some smart wood purchases would accomplish this for waaaaaaaaay less plus you'd have the tools for anything else. macassar (the most expensive) is 80 bucks a sheet with some variability, and strong magnets are super cheap. woo boy these guys are gonna be full fisting cash if this works out for them. i think I'll stick to making my own one. if it was a one off still not, but no doubt these modular designs are gonna be machine cut and pumped out. Or is this video/product a troll?
ATTENTON - PRICE INCREASE (written 07/15): Before the KS launch, Druid, Thief, Necromancer, and Wizard were all priced at $125 per Solid Panel ($140 per Display Panel) on the vizualizer. After the KS launched, they're now priced at $150 ($165 per Display Panel). A $25 increase per panel. Just be aware.
A lot of thought went into this product. Quite a shame that they look like raised panel kitchen cabinets from the 1980s and not some mid-century modern furniture with clean lines.
@@danweaver7264 yeah it’s really hard to justify the price when basically all the accessories can be replace really easy with a black piece of paper. I was hoping for more like there first dm screen
@@LordVader1094 I really don't think people know how much time goes into makings something like this. Like ya if you want a cheaper GM screen just by a cheap wood or cardboard one, but some what they have hear looks really nice and takes a bit of time to do.
I just can't get over the fact that they look like kitchen cabinet fronts. it looks so useful on the back end but the front for the players is just dull. My wallet is relieved but i'm bummed with what we got. guess the quest for a nice DM screen continues for me.
@@dragonettiification ow yea the logistics behind it are a nightmare. but people (or at least me) got excited for a wyrmwood DM screen because of the one they did for matt mercer. comparing that one they did to the ones they are presenting right now is just not it. in my opinion they should have gone for the panel and frame version. the compositions with wood they could have gone for would make it a lot more attractive looks wise. just mark it up accordingly for the extra work going into it and go from there. If that isn't possible to do logistics wise just now then push it all off till they are capable of it. but maybe if this does well enough they will be able to grow expend there business and make a Proper GM screen in a couple of years.
@@braytac you willing to pay 2 to 3 grand? If so sure, why not. But I'm not sure theres really enough of a market at that price for a GM screen for them to persue
@@johnathanera5863 For 2-3 grand its better to contact a local woodworker and get something custom made. I get why they made the decision to go this way but to me it just doesn't look good. but i do hope this will do well enough for them to keep working on a V2.0 that will look better and not like kitchen cabinet fronts. they cost about the same now as Dog Might games DM screens and those just look so much better!
Doug also had terrible design vision for the project and was roasted from the get go on what he thought would pass. His $25 ideas were super minimalist.
@@trishanks 3 cherry panels with no accessories: $195 for 3 blanks pieces of wood that don't do anything. with 3 acrylics: $270 Why does it cost ~$250 minimum to get a functional DM screen? What am I gonna do with 1 panel? What am I gonna do with 3 panels if I don't add the acrylic/magplate? It really seemed like the acrylic was standard and the magplate was an upgrade from the previous vlogs so I'm just irked that they're selling useless yet ~aesthetic~ pieces of magnetic wood starting at $65 a pop
@@patricks2645 The base function is to hide away GM notes, prep materials, rolls, etc. They do come with the track inlay at the top and magnetic bars as well, so you can use your own homemade trackers and magnets to attach whatever you want. You don't need the accessories to mount items to it.
@@patricks2645 "Why does it cost ~$250 minimum to get a functional DM screen?" - It doesn't. you can buy all sorts of functional GM screens for $20-$30 all day long. If you want to just hide away your notes and use the basic magnets and bar that's included, that's fine too. But if you want a crafted wooden GM screen with 3-4 panels and accessories and options, it's going to cost more. That was true 5 years ago when they did their first screen, it's true of a certain "strong canines" wooden screens, and it's true of these.
I appreciate you featuring me in the magnetic tracker portion. I don't really view myself as a 22 AC, 14 perception kinda fellow, though. The initiative trackers seem to suggest I'm on team Vecna, as well. I guess I can live with that.
I love the creativity in what you are offering but I can't get past that the panels are too reminiscent of kitchen cabinet doors. The multiple wood option makes it better but it's a little too meh for me. I actually liked the aesthetic of the exposed magnets in the Mercer screen. I think that could have helped with the 'cabinet door' feel, if the profile was broken up a bit more. Don't get me wrong I like what you guys did within the constraints you had but it's not enough for me this go around. Keep being awesome.
Love wyrmwood, love wrymlife, love everyone. You guys make amazing products, video editing is some of the best on RU-vid. Ive watched every video on this channel and 99% of the time I love every product you guys put out. I'm struggling with this one though, maybe I'm in the minority here but they look like cabinet doors. Not a fan of the aesthetic at all. I'm saying this constructively, trying to keep it real. That said, looking forward to the sit stand desk. Please make it a big one, love massive office desks.
fully agree. didn’t see your comment but that’s how i described them in mine. if they were more rectangular they’d literally be the doors on the cabinets in my mom’s kitchen. frame and panel was definitely the way to go. and at this price point i can’t see how it would have made a significant difference. also very excited for the desk, i’ve got a separate fund i’ve been building just for that. decided i’m gonna be putting what i squirreled away for these panels into the desk fund.
A lot of people been saying this from the start, that it looks like cabinet doors and now when I tried the viusalizer I really cannot help but see it. It just is not that visually pleasing. And in my opinion the shape of the "Shield" is standing out too much making it not very appealing to look at.
damn i was hoping to be able to join in the fun but this price point is too high on too short of notice. can’t justify $200 for 3 small panels that look like the cabinets in my mother’s kitchen. they aren’t even frame & panel - it’s a bit too rich for my blood… and not to mention that that’s before any customization to match decor or aesthetic. i like the company, and i’m happy i get to support y’all how and when i can, but it looks like this one’s gonna have to be a pass from me. best of luck, i’m sure you’re still gonna do big numbers without me lol.
@@raven8510 Then let me tell you, what your paying is like 30 times what these glorified cabinet doors really are worth your paying for the overpriced Wyrmwood seal or whatever the fuck allows them to price it this high. It would take realistically less than $400 to make it yourself. To make one of these panels yourself would be about $50-$150 for a single panel through material cost depending on the wood you spring for. That being said it still takes the knowhow and you actually doing it, and they don't have all the mag plates but those aren't very hard to make or get on amazon for cheap and install it into the screen.
@@theapproachingstorm2133 i appreciate this i have nigh on 0 wood working experience outside of year 8 product design aha no matter how much id love to give it a shot myself, it wouldnt be possible, because i also have none of the tools required. I doubt ill be able to afford it this time around, but its not as shocking as the dogmight screen i was quoted, or what a custom one would be from a local woodcrafter
I used to play with a folder between me and my players. It was a nice folder, cost me 3 bucks. Later on I got 2 gm screens at 15 bucks each depending on the setting we decided to play. If you wanna hold something in place get some small clamps and put it over your screen. Wyrmwood stuff is really pretty, nicely made and all but dude.. the amount of money these cost is bonkers.
I wish more companies did the visualizer like you all do because that honestly makes the biggest difference in what I end up getting. I don’t have a use for a gm screen but oh howdy am I getting one just so I can have it for the future 👀 the visualizer sold me
Keeping the price down was such an important point in the earlier videos for this project. What a huge disappointment. They all look great, though. Good work as ever on that front.
Looking at Necromancer, but it's a little frustrating that the tray doesn't come in Wenge OR Maple... so the tray won't quite match. I know that sounds picky/bitchy, but for the money... shit should match. (Side bitch: I was REALLY hoping for the Paladin combination instead of Druid. ;_; )
Was just coming to say this too! Would love to have a maple tablet tray so that it can match either the Necromancer or Wizard panels. The have it for the display inserts so it's bizarre that it's no available in the other accessories (tower, tray)
Oh Man! I love everything about this, the thief and necromancer design caught my eye. Missed the last GM Screen kickstarter, and unfortunately with inflation and prices up on everything, I can’t budget this in. I hope this becomes a permanent item at wyrmwood.
Am I crazy or should there be a bundle price for tri-screen or quad-screen? Because PER PANEL cost is going to hurt the bank the most and that's BEFORE the accessories!
Idk, that feels like pulling hairs to me. What are you going to do, buy one panel? They've already priced in the discount you're referring to, they just applied it to any panel order because they know you can't reasonably just get one and it simplifies pricing for everyone. Plus it makes it easier to conceptualize the price for those who want to mix and match wood types across their panels.
A bundle price for literally the configuration 99% of people will buy? Yes, you are crazy lol. The only way they could justify that financially would be by raising the individual panel price to the point that the "bundle price" would be exactly what it costs now, or by raising the accessory price, selling the panels at a loss, and hoping that it tricks people into buying more accessories to make up the shortfall. Why go through all that trouble when they could just be upfront about costs? Trust me, they're already gambling plenty with all the R&D, initial production, and marketing work they've already done. Why risk even more uncertainty when the end result will just be dishonest and manipulative at best and disastrous at worst? These are niche, luxury products made out of expensive materials using expensive tools and expensive labor. It's impressive that they have been able to get the prices as low as they already are.
The reason bundles get a discount is because companies will shove otherwise undesirable products in, so you pay a little more for stuff you don't want, but because it's a sale you feel like you're saving money, when you're actually losing money. "Hey you think this shaver is good? Well it's $40" (You: Well, mine is just fine and I don't need to buy a new one let alone spend that much) "Well for just right now you can buy 2 of them for not $40, but $20!" (You: woah, that sounds like a great deal!) "That's not all! Order in the next 5 minutes and we'll throw in shaving cream!" (You: I will *absolutely* throw money at you guys!) So even though you may just want a shaver you spent $20 on a bunch of crap and cheap razors, when you otherwise wouldn't buy it to begin with. :) Wyrmwood isn't trying to force product down your throat, they want you to buy what you want. They clearly worked very hard to bring the price down as much as they have. I'm sure bulk ordering and mass production brought the price way down, but I'm still struggling to see if they were even able to (for the Cherry wood) able to get it at or below $35 (they have to make profit and account for failures, i.e. craftsmen promise) for both materials AND labor. I think the cost is fine, more affordable than I thought was possible, and if I wasn't currently a poor college boy, very much within reach if you budget and save some money here and there. :)
You know, a lot of these master tracker addons can be replaced with a printed piece of legal/A4 paper that has a suitable design with some tracks on it, plus those magnetic push pins. So all you really need is a couple mag plates (one for ref, and one for tracking) and enough push pins and you're all set! If you also like to display a map to your players you could reverse the middle screen and use an acrylic panel on that one. So a super basic budget setup would be: * 3 cherry panels (3x$65 = $195) * 2 full mag plates (2x$30 = $60) * 1 acrylic plate ($25) * 2 sets of push pins (2x$10 = $20) Which would come to exactly $300. I don't think you could get away with anything less than this. Personally I would probably replace one magplate with a single tray (increasing the above price by $5) and add some initiative tracking, or you could just add all of that to have options: * white ini set ($10 or $20 depending on how many players you have) * black set ($10 or $20 depending on how large your encounters are) * turn tracker ($10) * cherry tray ($35) Now you're at $365-$385 I think a lot of people are salivating over the dice tower. At $120 I think it's a bit too much for a luxury I don't really need, but even if you add that in you'd still only be at almost exactly $500, for a quite complete (super basic but multifunctional) setup. That is, by Wyrmwood standards, VERY reasonable. You'd have to make a (few) full page design(s) based on their master trackers and print that of course, but I'm sure the community could provide some
How does this channel not have more subs. Funny as he'll and amazing products. Not to many companies would go this far and show the development process. I can't afford the products but when you have amazing quality like this the price seems right. Great job guys.
Looks great, but missing the following: 1. Masterwork/Signature Series screen/s 2. An octagonal storage unit to match the tower (only way I’m buying a tower) 3. A rotating panel, or at least a two- sided panel that displays stuff to the party and still looks beautiful. Hope these can be stretch goals/surprises. Lack of #3 gives me pause for the whole project because even if I reverse a panel then I’m not sure how I’d use the plain side efficiently without magnets.
Oh, and gemstone inserts. Or even better for me, an insert with a gemstone Wyrmwood shield. Though I imagine that may already be planned for a stretch goal.
for #3 you could just flip the panel around and display the back as the front. it’s somewhat inelegant and it removes a panel’s worth of information from the dm, but at least that is an option.
Man these look great! I'd buy one if I wasn't European where the import cost doubles the price and chance of a broken package after months of transit .... ☹
I feel a little lied too as much as I respect the quality of your products. It seems all of them are priced gouged because of name recognition, which honestly, just makes me go on ETSY too get something of similar quality than this, with all the bells and whistles, initiative trackers, magnetic top and hinges. Sure, it might be a few small oak boards glued together sometimes, but all of what you just said plus the wood of your choice is maybe $200-$250 for 4 panels on Etsy with everything included. This is what I did, support local sellers, not this.
One of my initial questions was not answered though, can we get blank metal inserts like brass or copper? I do chemical etching and want to put my own logo on a metal one. If not, will you offer the specs online so we can get one machined ourselves?
To get a 5min heads-up from Bobby before the KS launches... we need to *TEXT*??? Wyrmwood to International Wyrmlings: *GET FUKD* Greeeeaaaatttt messaging there guys.
Just wondering if solid maple will be an option (stretch goal or something)? I love the wizard but don't want that much purple heart. Being able to purchase the wizard display panel then everything else maple would be phenomenal. Especially for a Canadian boy 🍁!
This is exactly what I wanna do! I also got their gaming table, which has a stained maple base with everything else maple (including topper). The cherry wood option i can tell will clash a bit, and I’d really prefer to have a full matching set without having to sink all my money on the Purple Heart. All wizard panels with a maple dice tower would look awesome I think, or just getting a wizard display panel maybe
Absolutely stunned by this video. I have followed all of your videos about this screen. However, seeing you go through it all with the world class production. Amazing! I just have to get one!
I have no use for a GM screen, but I do love a good configurator to play with.. Good Work guys Edit: Spoke to soon, it would be good, if the display in the middle scrolls with the user, the farther you go down the options, you loose the image.. And I don't have a 4000 pixel tall screen
Lmao just to get it straight: 1 panel costs 65/80 and you'll usually want 3. 3:09 Top left corner you can see what you're actually looking at once you start putting together one of these...
I’m curious why no Maple for wood options? Is Maple just super limited right now? I was hoping to maybe get this to match the maple toppers on my WyrmWood gaming table, which also has a stained maple base. None of the options here seem like they’d match the table unfortunately, EXCEPT for the wizard screen, which I quite like (Purple Heart and maple). Problem here is there is no maple option for the dice tower, so things start to get really expensive since I can’t do a maple and Purple Heart mix. Would love to do a full wizard set with a maple dice tower, just doesn’t look like it’ll be an option
I think they touched on this in a previous video, but there was a ton of variance in the maple lots and the screens didn’t look good when you joined boards from different lots together. That’s pretty common with maple honestly. Too hard to standardize and too much risk of creating a product that wouldn’t satisfy purchasers.
The kickstarter part of you company is one of this things that has stopped me from spending money with you. The way you run the public face of Wyrmwood needs to be stream lined. Great looking products just way harder to get then they need to be.
For the price, this product feels very underwhelming. With how much time and the amount of heads working on it I thought it'd be more impressive then small cabinet doors with some magnets thrown in. The dice tower feels more "How to we make it different" then "How do we make it better", the tablet tray can be replaced with a stand from the dollar store (and that leaves you with and entire extra panel to work with), and the initiative tracker feels like grasping at straws. Overall I'm kinda disappointed with how it turned out and the price point it's at. The sheer chunkiness of the design and the lack of a storage options isn't great for a lot of players without dedicated play areas and the "customization" of the one small insert is very disappointing to see.
It’s a little disappointing to see that the most basic panel is $65. A three panel screen with no accessories is just shy of $200. Hard to justify when I could spend $200 on Dogmight Games and get a Valhalla Screen made of nicer wood. Start looking at attachments and the cost difference and value per dollar is a lot higher with a Valhalla screen. Really disappointed, was hoping to be able to snag one of these but the cost + the Kickstarter model of paying one large, lump sum rather than getting to slowly buy over time and build up the collection just makes this not possible for me to justify spending $300+ on a luxury item when my weekly grocery bill is getting to almost be that much.
Agree. If they included at minimum an acrylic plate and a handful of the magnetic push pins, the value prop would be much higher. That alone makes the base cherry offering $100 a panel. The padauk configuration I came up with was $690 (nice). Just can't justify it at the moment. This coming from someone who got a tavern elm MGT. I'll wait for MGT 2.0 for some chairs or something that will be more widely used.
this is one of the issues in my house hold. my partner the DM/GM absolutely looooves wyrmwood's products where me the player (and possible payer for said item) loves dogmight specially their new legacy screens and their vampire the masquerade screens. funny thing is wyrmwood made the crit role screen but dogmight has made screens for exandria unlimited and jason carl's V:TM story teller screens.
When they first started discussing a GM screen in the videos, wasn't a main point to be affordable? Holy cow this thing is not that! Beautiful, but whoa!
@@rionwetzel135 to be fair, they did say the solid panel would be between $50-75. However, that seemed like rough napkin math and i had hoped they could make some changes in production or find a solution to make them more affordable. I feel like the MGT was an actual substantial difference in affordability between the prophecy and the MGT, just seems crazy that a medium MGT is like $600 and to get a basic screen is 1/3 that price.
Just to say, the only thing holding me back from going all in on this is the lack of a ‘Tower of Holding’ from the old Kickstarter. The asymmetry you get with the dice tower is off putting to myself, and having something to compliment it on the other side would just be *chefs kiss*. You could even do some fun stuff with the top to go with the castle aesthetic that’s been created inadvertently. Like a dice jail on top of the drawers, where the ‘turret’ goes. If the tower of holding makes an appearance, then I’ll just have to say goodbye to what little money I have.
Nice job over there. Waiting for the launch date. Pricing looks sensible apart from the dice tower. It is an ''extra''; however, the starting price is double the price of the main thing / panel which doesn't really makes a sense. Of course, more man hours are required for the tower but still marketing wise the extras are always less costly than the main product
ABSOLUTELY HEARTBROKEN that you're not continuing with the Class Based Dice Vaults. I'd been waiting for my class and just heard from your CS people, that you've discontinued them 🥺. Although we are very excited to get our table soon, and we're on the list for the GM shield, this was still was tough to hear. I'm new to this world and it brings my husband so much joy to have me a part of it, but now I won't get to have access to my class vault. Really bummed...😭
Gotta be honest, y'all lost me on this the second you went with cutting boards over frame and panel. This doesn't look like the quality workmanship that Wyrmwood is supposed to champion, this looks like something I'd buy from Walmart that was imported from China. I understood the rationale, wanting to bring down cost to make it more affordable, but then it ended up being ~$200 for 3 panels with no logo or accessories in the cheapest wood option. What was the point of ditching frame and panel if this is the result? On top of that, y'all got lost in obsessing over magnets and modularity. The basic panels don't even have a Wyrnwood logo on them, and the display panel just looks tacky. The idea of bringing in the color palettes from the CAP was cool, but it's wasted on a poor core design. The octagonal tower just feels unnecessary and I question how well it can roll multiple dice at once. If I have to have a separate tower or tray for rolling with advantage, for rolling damage, or in other multi-dice situations, then why am I getting that tower at all? Furthermore, does this screen work with your existing dice towers? I could be wrong, but the dimensions look like it doesn't. I get that you wanted to come out with more cool products this year, but this clearly should have been held back until it could be done properly. As it is, this is a product that screams "I exist to fill a product release schedule", not "This is the DM/GM screen that you have been waiting for!"
The worst part? For anyone who wanted the frame and panel design, there's no upside. If this KS is successful, you will continue to make the cutting boards, having no motivation to change the design. If it fails, it will be who knows how many years before you ever attempt to make screens again.
Great product and great presentation. Just 2 things...Could you show better the behind of the display panel and the switch plate machanism? And does the tower come along with the tray where the dice fall?
Ok I'm gunna be a jerk here ..them things look like 60s/70s raised kitchen cabinet panels with some magnets stuck in them ...was this from a pile of cabinet parts left from the merger?....they would have looked better in a shaker style. Sorry you lost me on this one
I wish there was a place to buy the older style with the flipping panel that also had the portrait standing option. Good products, but I like the other one better!
