Everything Wrong With Batman: The Killing Joke 

Damn that doctor is good....

Person:" if only bat girl was here to save us, oh that's right she is fucking crippled now oops "

Well technically I think he could tell that she was at least temporarily paralyzed because her withdrawal reflex wasn't working. But how did he know it was permanent?

.... He was testing her reflexes...

@@maskedmarvyl4774 damn right. Heard he graduated with honors at Harvard. Thats our tax dollars at work ladies and gentlemen

It's just unnatural for such a character.

@@andermiftari8839 Not when we are talking about the Batman Who Laughs.

Something Awful yeah, Jesus Christ... they could have just made him let out a small chuckle or smile. There was absolutely no reason for him to just burst out laughing like that

Tracytron 54321 he bursted our laughing because he understood the jokers joke

@@jjkm17 no it broke him every thing he'd done led to a joke making him snap hence the title But I might be over thinking it it just sounds cool to me

Jordan Sprague sir.....you are a genius.

Jordan Sprague Tallia Al-Ghul is laughing rn

God bless that man

The shark was is the helicopter not the utility belt

shade necrophades I didn’t know Batman could fit a shark in a helicopter and in a can

It's no sex In this movie

They only show 1 second of it before the camera changes

Michael Mello plus it’s actually canon in one comic series that they were together at one point as he points out to bruce that she’s about five months pregnant and bats congratulates her and dick before she tells him dick has been gone for 3 and then Batman realizes that he “screwed” up

@@theillusionaryone THATS A BRUH MOMENT HERE

Which one, Batman or Joker?

I agree they had the badass Jason Todd get his ass beat by Batman in UTRH and then he loses to Batgirl??

you guys think Batman would use full force fighting Barbra? Bruce didn't know Jason was The Red Hood. Allowing him to use full force because he was fighting someone who was going to kill him.

+Bryce Carter I think he would subdue her non-lethally, but any negative feelings I had about that part were quickly overshadowed by the ones I felt over BatSex.

This didn't show in theaters... What was the point of lying about that anyway?

+SulfuR ` It had a limited theatrical release.

Hey, maybe she knew she was gonna bang Batman and wanted to look pretty, ok? Geez, can a lady not wear what she wants these days? Ugh, so triggered.

do we really need to argue? though who wears nothing under a costume? (suits are like costumes but n stuff)

Hell, I'd argue that she wouldn't even wear an extra layer of clothing under her rubber/leather/whatever the suits are made of, and that a bra would be built in. It's more practical that way

+Shinu Yashami if she tough that was a pretty bra... terrible tastes she has.

+Natalia Olivas This is the kind of response I like not complaing about how fanservicey costumes but instead complaining about how that would make them impractical.

Nooow this is the story all about how my spine got shot, turned up-side down I'd like to take a minute just sit right there, I'll tell you how I became confined to a stupid-ass wheelchair.

+Squiglypig that is gold

+Squiglypig where do you come up with this fire?🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

In Gotham City born and raised, Figntin' crime is how I spent most of my days, Chillin' out maxin' fightin' bad guys and all cool And all the while tryin' to bang my boss Bruce, When a couple of gangsters, Who were up to no good, Started making the moves in my neighborhood, One of them had my as a fetish and Batman got scared, He said 'All right, Barbara, you're otta this case.'

And then I told him, that's just bull, without the shit, Then he said, "We're not equals", and that got me pissed, So then we fought, then we made out, then we had sex, all over the town, And then after what I'd call a perfect night, he stopped calling me to help him fight crime, So now I had to go through partnership loss, because I wanted to free them nasty thoughts, I caused him pain, he stayed away, I hoped I didn't turn him gay, After thinking it through at home, I called him on the Batphone, It was awkward, what can I say he took my virginity away. He said "We'll talk later", and I said "That's It" and brought me back to being pissed, And then I heard an explosion, and crash, and then I found out it was Paris the ass, So I kicked the shit out of him, until he made a joke about my period, I then I went off into the abyss, but stopped when Batman got scared and said "You're never gonna come back from it ever again", So I decided it was better to quit, before I killed someone while I was pissed, and also for putting Batman through all that shit, So after a day, I visited my dad in order to get over Batman and stop feeling bad, I heard a knock on the door thought it was my friend, turned out to be the Joker with a gun in his hand, I got shot in the uterus, couldn't stand, couldn't feel anything by the waist up, or the waist down because I got shot by a psychotic clown, And so he took my dad, stripped me off my clothes, took some picture, and called me a hoe, And then he walked up to door, turned around and said "Yo hoe, smell you later", Then I was taken to the hospital by my dad's friend, where doctors told I would never walk again, And now that I'm out of the hospital, I now live with my dad again at his place, the police I have cleaned like the accident was gone without a trace, But I still remember what happened there, and that's how I became confined to a stupid-ass wheelchair.

Also every Harry Potter movie after the third. Also every Harry Potter movie.

You mean literally almost every Allan Moore adaptations

Sick burn.

Hailey Shannon same with the Percy Jackson movies

That award is reserved for Berserk 2016/2017

Why? I guess disfigurement for you is funny.

+Ave Satanas Luciferian No because the fact that the doctor can poke a fucking stick in her foot and go "she'll never walk again" was funny. Not sure how you could of missed that homie

+Ave Satanas Luciferian ur a dummy

+Ave Satanas Luciferian Because poking someone with a needle is not a method of testing the state of someone's legs. THAT is what is funny. Stop being a SJW.

She was PARALYZED, DAMN IT!

Crash's Underwear From JL episode "Only a Dream": [slams down cash] Gimme a triple! NOW!

XD

interesting

All of this was to try and prove a point. That every supposedly good man, could go insane after just 1 terribly bad, bad day.

To clear everything about the movie being so twisted and Batman comics being this twisted, just read the comics or got to a channel "Comicstorian" and play the Batman: The Killing Joke video. In the comics the motive is explained in an extremely better manner. Also, the movie had to be sexist to prove a point and also, Joker did it to show that one bad day can make anyone go mad. On Joker's bad day his wife died with his unborn child and he fell in a vat of chemicals which completely ruined his appearance.

Lord Bluimus They made batgirl a dumb lovesick mary-sue like Bella from twilight even though she and Batman's relationship wasn't sexual at all in the comics. They ruined her personality for the fuck of it. Batman is like 40 and she's like 22 he's old enough to be her father and is close friends with her father. Its creepy and gross.

Ordinarily it isn't. Its just that Batman was always like a second father to his side kicks. Therefore, making Batgirl and Batman a couple without easing it in, or showing that they have a meaningful relationship at all will be jarring to most.

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To show that he peeled off his face and stapled it to batmans and then covered his eyes and convinced the whole bat family that he had plucked their eyes out. Before then he had tortured original robin to the point of insanity and disability.

@@raptorjesus5870 wait isn't that under the red hood storyline?

Usually I'm okay with it, but it felt like most of the video was nitpicking. Yes, we all hate the first act, but even in that part, the nitpicks were so frequent that the joke just gets diluted, and stops being funny.

*serious

Weird...if it's supposed to be funny, why didn't I laugh?

Hilarious. Thanks for editing and correctly spelling "serious" .

DesignzRUs1 Your welcome.

Brian Azzarello

Maybe it's different in Gotham City, but in the real world libraries don't hire teenage girls as librarians, mainly because librarians have to have a Master's degree. In other words, regardless of what we think about Batman having sex with Batgirl, it's _not_ statutory rape.

+Anonymous Anonymous Was Barbara's backstory changed at some point? I confess that I'm a very casual comic reader, so I may have missed a change, but the backstory I'm familiar with has Barbara employed as a librarian in Gotham City. And as I mentioned in my original post, that's not a position filled by teenage girls. The youngest Barbara should be is in her mid-twenties. That doesn't mean I'm saying you're wrong about Batman being old enough to be Barbara's father, though. I've always imagined that he was somewhere between his mid-thirties to mid-forties (depending on the comic book era), so if Batman as portrayed in _The Killing Joke_ movie was at the higher end of that age scale, he could still be old enough to be her father (roughly 20 year age gap).

+Anonymous Anonymous In that movie, however, Barbara's backstory was different. She wasn't the Commissioner's daughter, she was Alfred's niece.

@Anonymous Anonymous cool!

ah, it was short.

That was indeed really odd. They show Batman throw him down a pit full of spikes and they never went back to it, it was strange.

+David Johnson you fucking saw it and you went for it. I hate you, yet respect you. Well played

Don't know what was shorter. It's height, screen time or life span.

late to the punch

It did

there wasn’t enough Joker in it so Mark barely did anything. But when he was in it the movie was awesome

Yes, because the studios only pay Mark Hamill for roles in movies that the fans think are good.

STILL better than The Last Jedi

The last half was great, they should've split this into something like Batgirl: Sleepless in Gotham and a separate Killing Joke movie with Hamill from start to finish.

N Slater it was the worst batman movie. I didn’t understand the batgirl and Batman thing

BobbyMicThicc Thicc If you cut out the first half it's alright.

A Batmam movie even half-focused on Gordon and him dealing with all the crazy bullshit that goes on in Gotham with Batman as a side-character at most would be pretty kickass.

Batman: Year One is right up your alley.

Bobby Bobby the direction for the actors was crap as well, a fan doing the famous monologue, in a Hamill impression from almost 10 years ago, ended up doing a better job than Hamill. That’s completely sinful in animated films

I've watched the killing joke like 10 times but everytime other than the first I skip that bit and go straight to the actual killing joke

More like 29 minutes.

Yeah, I'll probably do the same on subsequent viewings, but I also understand that without it, the movie would have been very short.

+Abigail Archer-Addams Me too, they should have made a story that involves Batgirl and Joker.

The first 40 minutes has exactly 0 to do with the original story lol. It's basically crash exposition for people who have no idea Batgirl existed.

Also no nudity, more mild sexuality than Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, (which were marketed to kids), and the violence is pretty tame. So... They asked for an R rating to make it seem like it was for an older audience to explain why it had so many boring stretches?

I believe the message in this movie was too adult like for little kids

Wasnt R rated where I'm from it was 15

+xXL3g3NdLaloXx the message is a little too severe for little kids, they were basically demeaning batgirl, it was implied that the joker raped batgirl, she had sex with her mentor who is at least 20 years her senior, she was emotionally unstable after her affair, she got shot, the joker kidnapped her father stripped him naked and mentally tortured him, that would be adult like for kids, the message of the movie would be too much for kids to understand let alone handle, I personally didn't care for the movie...

+xXL3g3NdLaloXx yes but there were multiples messages, it was the same way within the comics, however they added some things in the movie, either way this movie would be considered adult like for kids

it familiarizes the audience with the characters and adds depth to barbara, showing how important her's and batman's relationship is so that when joker paralyzes and rapes her, on top of trying to turn gordon insane, it'll make the likeliness that batman will be tempted to break his one rule of killing be even greater. it also shows how she became oracle which is a pretty essential thing in the batman mythos. it also adds a possible "multiple choice" origin story for the joker. the "killing" joke is that batman finally realizes he has to kill the joker and that he can't win, he can only half-win by losing that battle (killing this one time) to win the war (joker never being able to hurt anyone again).

cXspXr I don’t really think Barbara was raped, it just doesn’t seem like something the joker would do.

AjTheWriter LOLWUT

AjTheWriter Batman's a piece of shit lol

This movie has no bat class at all.

assuming batman got her pregnant, he fuckin deserves it, it was gordon's daughter tf

Dick was mad cause he wanted that Batman Dick

If anything, the major issue is the writers decided to be utterly incompetent. The actual Killing Joke stuff is good. Everything they added was garbage. Just they added so much that the Killing Joke is a gem under a pile of crap.

Problem is, Killing Joke can't really fit a movie. It's actually really short, especially considering the difference between a comic and a movie. In a comic you can have a fight scene last for pages, in a movie even the most OTT and bombastic fight scenes last about 10 minutes. Not to mention the simple fact that scenery needs less focus in a movie. So an already moderately short comic is made even shorter by the transition to movie. Killing Joke should never have been a full movie. It should've been either an Internet only Animated cartoon episode, or a hidden gem packaged with a feature-length DC Movie. The other major issue is that the movie has to establish Batgirl (something they did a TERRIBLE job at). When Killing Joke came around we already knew who Batgirl was, we knew her motivation, her story, her father's protectiveness, we knew it all. This move tried to establish her as a character alongside the actual story of Killing Joke.

Agreed. I was happy, but surprised when DC said Killing Joke was next. As you said, the comic is short, so I guess in hindsight I should have figured they'd be throwing in some filler. I just didn't expect it to be that bad. Love to see them do an animated movie on Hush. Plenty of story there. I think Court of Owls is next though, which is a story I thought was great. Hopefully the movie will be the same.

What angers me and I'm torn about it is that they tried to make us "feel" for Barbara when she's shot. However, in my mind the intent of the shooting was to show Batman that even someone like Gordon can go insane when something bad happens. The shooting wasn't about Barbara, but Joker proving his philosophy to Batman.

They already did Court of Owls. It was one of the Batman and Damien Wayne films.

I second that.

Despite the fact that various comic iterations suggest and even outright show Batman and Batgirl having some kind of deeper relationship? Lol. Not a big batman fan are you?

+Shadow07Warrior1989 tell me which ones despite the new batman adventures comics

+Shadow07Warrior1989 Exactly

+Shadow07Warrior1989 what makes this movie worse for this is because they're using the same actors from TAS, in which Barbara was still more or less a kid, and Bruce is in his 40s. It just feels creepy, as it feels like this is a direct sequel to the series even though it isn't.

not to be cofused with Paris, Botswana

Personally I've always thought it was genius that calendar man is Julian Day, and Clock King is Temple Fugate

@@Locked0Out I'll give those credit as more intellectual references, but the entire naming formula they are using is pretty lame, imo

Well to be fair, the Riddler changed his named to E. Nigma. His actual name is Eddie Nashton.

@@swirls5000 That's new, relatively speaking. Not the original Riddler. But I appreciate the information as I wasn't aware they had changed as part of the 80s "New Earth" deal...I had to Google it to figure out what you were talking about. For 40 years before that, Edward Nygma was his birth name., and still is in most external projects, like the Gotham TV series.

Oh no. Can't do that. 'We need Dick to keep hopelessly chasing after Kori.' (just in case you didn't know, Kori is Starfire.)

And at the same time, Dark Knight Returns , with Joker murdering people en masse, prancing around with batarang in his eye socket, neck snapping and splitting someones neck open with a broken mug gets PG-13. Guess it like in this old joke: US censorship - GORE GOOD, SEX BAD. EU censorship - SEX GOOD, GORE BAD

The sex scene isn't even explicit enough to be in an r rated movie

SonicHeroXD they were trying to stick to what happened in the comics.

SonicHeroXD it was rated F for freaking A

Welcome to the Triggered fest.

+Shinu Yashami says the 2 praising his cringe worthy SJW mentality.

because a if a female character sees even half of the bullshit a male character would then everyone starts screaming "WOMAN HATER"

Remain MaryJane You missed the point of the comment. Nobody's praising anything.

+Slave2thedrago >villains so bad things >they shouldn't do bad thing because she's a woman bro that's all in reading here, not trying to troll out insult.

Don't blame it on Bruce, blame it on the shitty screenwriter

Because my friend is Batman!

Don't worry it's filler! lmao

Khan Kake Jokes on u, the comics have a lot of incest

he didn't get away with it though. once robin (Dick Grayson) found out, he punched batman in the face and became the solo night wing.

I know. She's probably my favorite dc character, especially as Oracle, and the movie did her a complete disservice.

Yeah they genuinely did her dirty. Seriously everyone already loves her why fix what wasn’t broken.

She got shot in the comic and they planned her getting shot because they ended her comics before the killing joke comic came out

@@privateterry2885 I get that. I'm talking specifically Barbara in the movie, not the comic. Alan Moore didn't expect the story to be in continuity, which seems on brand for him, with the exception of Swamp Thing. Movie Barbara's additional stuff outside of what happened in the original story I felt was very lackluster for her character.

@@MarauderTwilight your thinking of a theory he did expect it to be main continuity

Nope only in the DCAU

Kye Dysarthria Crap. Well I mean if it's happened in one universe, whose to say it can't happen in another?

Good taste. Wait, this is DC. Yeah, ok, nothing to say it can't happen.

.......wow......did he really do that?

Ray Muniz Yeah, and he sat in the shadows watching it. Remember, Batman basically represents Fascism, so he will do things he views as the "greater good."

***** I for the most part enjoyed suicide squad. The beginning for killing joke ruined the rest of the film for me

***** Joker wasnt in the movie enough for me to say he was good enough. I need more of him. Everyone else was good for me.

Assault on Arkham You're welcome.

It could've been so good but they let an overrated hack be the screenwriter.

Which was a way better Suicide Squad movie.

Both of them being in this movie couldn't save it. That's actually just another sin on the movie's part.

the movie was great i dont know what you mean by save it the only bad part was the first 30 minutes

Would have been nice if CinemaSins did that when they sinned Mask of the Phantasm. Hopefully TV Sins will do the right thing when they inevitably sin a Batman: Animated Series episode.

Understandable honestly

"she tripped over carpet, she will never walk again"

This is why superman works alone

Batman and robin quote nice

Nah I'll take drive through forever

exactly, i hate when he does that kind of stuff

+Anthony Nieves well it's just for fun it's not to be taken seriously

+DantheMan oh i know, i just think sometimes the sins get a little ridiculous. the videos are still entertaining, of course.

+Anthony Nieves yea

I agree. I'm all for fun with pointing out stuff. But he seems to be forcing a lot of his sins and not even trying to understand the entire point of the story

I thought Bats is digging it with Diana.

Really it just depends on what time the story is released (unless it's an adaptation). For Dick, hes usually with Barbara and Bruce is usually with Catwoman. Like I said though, it varies.

Dick's also often with Starfire

To me, Bruce’s state in _Batman Beyond_ is his canonical End.

The only lover for Batman I accept as worth writing about is Diana Prince aka Wonder Woman. No other female character is both his anti-thesis as a hero nor is a such a well made match for his intensity. I also refuse to believe Batman could settle down with anyone that wasn't at least bullet proof without having a panic attack at the thought of being in a relationship.

"Craig Harborne would be good at CinemaSins" *ding*

You got it before I did.

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What?

What?

Scowl sex is the best, man.

"I'm not enjoying this, just so you know." Or some other tsundere shit.

+iisanulquiorrahara8 He's like "I have 20 more underage chicks to bang after so let's just move this along.

jetpackjesus69 If I remember correctly, Barbara is about as underaged as I am in this movie, and I can legally drink.

I can't think of anyone more tsundere than Batman, well, maybe Aqua Man

I feel you fam a lam.

To be fair, Mask of the Phantasm is probably in the top 5 superhero movies ever, my second favorite batman story as well

The second Joker origin, to a degree since not all of it was featured, told that discards the campy Red Hood origin and uses the more realistic Jack Napier origin. Just was the Noir tone of the film needed.

That was my SHIT back in the day. I could be nostalgically biased but I think that's the best animated batman movie.

Belial61 You're not, it was bad ass, so yeah it was the best animated Batman movie.

I thought Harley Quinn told us he was. She would know better than anyone.

Jeez I hate this movie so much

Mental unstable people tend to be great in bed

To be fair, it was a line straight from the comic.

I mean, Nintendo confirmed that Waluigi isn't circumcised, so nothing surprises me anymore.

Because the "DC" stands for "Detective Comics", so adding another "comics" after is kinda weird.

Also they've been sinning DC comics as long as I can remember.

It's because DC comics stands for "Detective Comics comics". That's the sin.

I've said this before, but I've always been under the impression that DC never stood for anything. They just looked at their most successful series (Detective Comics) and used that as inspiration. So while Detective Comics did influence the initials DC, it doesn't actually stand for it. Kinda confusing.

+Randall Flagg I always thought I was the only one who thought that was weird. 😂

Wait, are you telling me that he isn't being 100% serious every second of every video? Well damn, now i cant post that whiny comment i just finished writing.

Smiley I don't know why people comment on sins being wrong…they're not going to re upload the video because they missed something

Awesome finally someone who understands

The comedy might be slightly more effective if he weren't grasping at straws half the time or intentionally ignoring plot points so he can make fun of how they don't make sense to him, care of the plot point he intentionally ignored.

Isn't comedy...comedic?

Powergirl is a different version of the character from another earth. Oracle is just Batgirl.

@@TwentyFirstPilot Supergirl and Power Girl are two completely different individuals, to the point that in some continuities they're not even from the same dimension.

I hate the fight seen between Batman and joker in the movie. Like wtf with the upside down room?? And some of the best joker lines were missing in the movie as well :/ They should have stricken with the comic a lot better.

Morriholly 20 Yeah Joker's monologue was so great in the comic and they shortened it for the movie.

@@SarajevoKyoto The only time the two werent considered the same person was briefl in the 90s and early 2000s. They retcont the dc universe and got rid of super girl as a character because they wanted superman to be the last kryptonian so both the super girl and power girl of that era werent kryptonians, they were humans who had magical powers. Around 2005 I think they realized that was dumb and reintroduced super girl and made powergirl her earth two version again which was the original idea of the character

Also Batman doesn't Fucking kill....

+happybobjr1 he has killed though

+A BabyBackRib Not with intent though.

+Pingas Pearce no, after Jason Todd died he went all 'fuck it' and started to kill.

Seansi Yeah after that though he didn't kill again, hence why jason todd was angry for him not killing the Joker to avenge him. If he started killing after that it wouldn't make sense for jason todd to be angry at him.

Also, I have never laughed so hard in my life!

This version of Batman is very clumsy. He lost to Batgirl in fist fight, let her get her way. He got ambush multiple times, they downgrade him to spotlight Batgirl. This is an insult to Batman mythology, especially Arkham Batman.

Ghildish Chambino altho Alan was commonly seen as unreliable with that as he is simply a director and didn’t make the actual story....in fact he’s simply turning a comic into a movie and somehow making it bad

@@drelezar7745 I may have misunderstood what you are saying, in which case forgive me, but Alan Moore was the writer of the original comic book. The director of the film was Sam Liu.

@@drelezar7745 no, Alan made the comic.

I'm pretty sure it means people's asses don't have sockets you can plug your computer into.

Darena Bryant I mean in relation to what he said directly before that.

VideoGameLova1 I have no idea I think Paris wanted to try and plug a computer up someone's ass

I think they just wanted to say ass in the movie videogamelova1

Funny enough the second half is a complete adaption to the letter the only reason the whole Batgirl thing was included was to put more time so it would be a legitament movie

kingofmonsters14 it wouldn't be long enough for a movie

But, no movie is without sin.

Honest trailers are better critics

***** 👼👼

There is no way that would work.

continuity errors

Fuck midgets

OMFG IM A SMALL SQUISH (not ill) I FIND THIS OFFENSIVE F U BATMAN

(Cinemasins voice) Thaaaat's racist!

Yeah, that always bothered me.

Maybe bats doesnt consider midgets for people.

her!? Did you just assume that person gender!?

When there are prominent boobs and the distinctive lack of a package between the legs, there's no "assumption" to be made. It's a woman. Also, you took the words out of context. "The Joker shoots Barbara right in the uterus." That's an important part of that line, and when taken in context it doesn't leave room for "assumption" anymore than my first point.

+Shadow07Warrior1989 Shut up you fucking homophobic racist!

if the writters were women they could hate women anyways

Person?? Did you just assume it identifies as human?

exactly

20 min

no its all bad

yep

+Patrizio kosmos 40*

I think I would've preferred it if they went with the collection of stories written over the years that Joker most effectively chipped away at Batman's resolve, like when Joker killed Jason among other times and Barbara getting shot happens closer to the beginning and being the catalyst for Batman's twisted trip down memory lane. Or better yet they could've killed three birds with one stone and combined the Killing Joke, A Death in the Family, and Under the Red Hood storylines which I think would all compliment each other quite well if done right.

Christina Nightraven More edgy than dark

Batman was made to be THE Dark superhero. You know, Dark Knight and all.

Christina Nightraven indeed

Doesn’t deal with paralyzing and then raping someone often

***** Dude did you not pay attention? It was practically shouted at us by WB, I was blasted with videos with the news that it was going to R rated movie. A mature animated movie. Again this is not what we got. I mean hell the original comic had way more than what they showed

i guess it got its R rating because they """"referenced"""" rape

Captain Harlock it is in the comics

Batman and Batgirl never banged in the comics.

lol true

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And most likely they would misspell his name on the cup anyway.

@@LadyOnikara "we got a frap for.... manbat?" *actual ManBat eerily steps in *

So right. If he didn't read The Killing Joke then he should have so he could understand this story. Seems like them and Screen Junkies have been shit lately. CinemaWins are awesome though.

Slave2thedrago not really I've enjoyed them the way i enjoyed CinemaSins in the beginning

bigevilworldwide1 when did he say that

He never reads source material for anything.

Ivo Robotnik Sorry but the whole fucking point is too cause confusion and conversation about whether he killed Joker or not.

Nightwing Bunny So much sisters? Incest FTW

Did you mean, SINS?

Deen Said It wasn’t incest. They weren’t related.

@@ventroxii561 Despite every single animated or live interpretation of Batman and Batgirl having something of a father and daughter relationship with the accpettion of 1. Same people who made this also made the 90s Batman show where it is also the only other time they tried to push the Batman/Batgirl thing. Which was also werid as fuck as they did have the family bond thing there to, which....the fuck. Also, at the original showing at comic con of this film, when the bat sex scene came up. Every one was actually taken aback and disgusted. Yes really, that shit made it into the news. There was a whole q&a about it and that shit was the major drawback. So much so that 1 of the people behind the film was willing to fight over it. I believe he said somthing like Come up and say that to my face you pussy. In fact, check some old post from the early 2000s and the whole thing with Batman and Batgirl from the animated show was never liked by the community at large. Back then it came across as incest, because they always had that family feel to each other. Seeing how Batman brought her up. Trained her, taught life lessons and even help in her social life. The writers thought the whole hook up would of been big with the fans despite not a single 1 liking the angle since it orginally aired. Want to know why. because she was dating Dick, the first Robin. Who was basically Batmans son, so in turn he banged his sons girlfriend. Its hinted that they did fuck around behind Dicks back in the show I shit you not. If not fucked, Batman Tried to seduce her away from his son after becoming a 2nd father to her. See why no one likes this shit. It's honestly 1 of the few times writing like that has ever disgusted me. Not really, but what a fucking scummie thing to do. Or to write in a GODAMN BATMAN STORY!

Worse than Batman & Robin?

THat movie is so damn fun!!!

+Taste and decency yes

+Taste and decency Bruce Clooney and Horny Idiot vs Cold Cock the Pun Guy was a Batman movie!?! Holy shit...

Worst batman he'd ever saw not worst cartoon

Oho... but there is BAT CREDIT CARD!!!! Havent you seen the movie Batman and robin ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dcukDDDhuYk.html

@@FinalFlash1000 I think he knows.

Never leave the cave without it.

Of course all they really show of batgirl is her relationship with batman, it's a batman movie, not a batgirl movie, not even a documentary that's supposed to show the daily life of all women everywhere like you and a few other people seem to think for some reason. The entire purpose of the first act was to make her shooting hit harder for people who haven't really read the comics, then get to the batman bit people actually paid to see. She is not the main character, an "undiluted batgirl story" was not the goal.

+CJTheInvader yes but why did she need a sexual relationship with barman. Are you saying batman wouldn't care if they didn't have sex. I thought the sex scene was actually very awkward and the movie could have done without. I think they either should have gone in and make them have a relationship or just treat her as a friend/colleague. I actually liked most of the movie and the ending. just not the beginning and that part.

Darkkan13 True, I agree with that, I think it was a very clumsy attempt to make her crippling have more meaning to batman, even though their relationship was always more father/daughter than anything else. It's actually pretty gross.

It is by far the creepiest thing they could have done to try to make Babs be well, important, to the plot considering Batman's relationship with Jim. But that's also the core problem with the movie I'd say- it tries too much to make Barbara relevant and important, when The Killing Joke is much more about her father then her. It's a story about Joker trying to prove a point to Batman that anybody can be turned into somebody like himself with just one really bad day, and decided that man was going to be Jim Gordon- putting aside the B-plot of the Joker origin story of course. She was never important to the story other than another way to torture Jim. Add in that this is set not long after Death in the Family, so Batman is already on nerve regarding Joker targeting people he's close to. I can understand feeling the need to up her role more to make her less of a plot device, but she was originally already retired from Batgirl and this was the sickest way to do it. It grossly overcompensated to the point where it's taken the story away from Jim.

+CJTheInvader "These people call me the Dark Knight, but you can call me the Dark Daddy" But to be on topic, not every woman does the same exact thing as another, that's the point. That's like saying, "You can't write an American person eating burgers and fries at mcdonalds daily", despite it being an actual thing some Americans do. And afaik, the writer for The Killing Joke is a male, so even still he wasn't at that much of an advantage to know what specific crime-fighting woman does with her spare time.

Agreed!!

It was very uneven. Some good parts but the bad stuff sticks out like a sore thumb and taints the rest.

this was not as great, but I think Son of Batman, Batman Vs Robin and Batman bad blood were slightly worse

***** The anime I've watched has all been very uneven as well. Anime is notorious for having very good sections and then parts where characters are very still and only their mouths move.

+dmbjunky what anime have u been watching?

oh my god that would be hilarious

That would just be 10 minutes of non-stop DING sounds.

*is

Gtfo weeaboo. I have no clue what that is but I can already tell by the name of it

Beriorn it would not be that because last time i watched the only thing that made it bad was pedophilia ...

i'm pretty sure that barbra is like 19 and batman is in his mid 40s

+Hasoon nine actually this story has nothing to do with the story

Batman is usually in his early to mid-30s in the comics and is only really aged up when it's needed. Barabara on the other hand is in her 20s to teens depending on the story.

No. Batman is in his late thirties or early forties at best. The only one where he's in his fifties is the Dark Knight returns.

-___- no

If you're looking for rationality in the youtube comments section you are going to be disappointed. In my experience those who oppose SJW's tend to be mostly rational with outliers here and there, mostly in the comments section with little real following. SJWs are almost by definition illogical and many of them have strong followings. I wouldn't call this an SJW video but I do think it overly focused on the sins against political correctness instead of the sins against humor and plot.

This is an extension of the usual "people take every sin seriously" problem, where people don't understand that CS is about 50% parody and 50% serious.

I feel as though, as this is a satiracle comedy video, Jeremy was mocking the triggered feminists.

in a movie with so many grrl power tropes thrown in, to imply that the writers didnt like women is pretty blind if not out right sjw behavior. but if you want to conflate people who are actively destroying culture and propping up marxism (with the support of the government and the media) as the same as the average citizens fighting against that, i guess thats your choice.

+Umbra Magister actually I thought it was the most boring bat-man movie ever, he is right, it was like watching sex and the city in Gotham, and the ending was also disappointing, just my opinion, the story and plot were good though, it's just that...it was missing something

At least 150 sins calling it

why is every one so against suicide squad I thought it was a nice change of mood

Vendetta Memer Oh, I loved Suicide Squad, I enjoyed it a lot, I'm not against it, I just know for a fact, Jeremy will do "Everything Wrong With Suicide Squad in 12 mins. or less" Not trying to be rude or anything.

Yeah that seems about right :D Probably followed by "xx seconds of logos *ding*" :D But if your "12 minutes" prediction turns out accurate, it'll be impressive :D It doesn't always take him 12 minutes :D Cheers!

Why would it be Heathens? It was Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil that played over the title card.

wyatt roetcisoender *a gun can HURT batman

Or games? In Batman: Arkham Knight, the Arkham Knight shot Batman in the kidney, and Batman wasn't even affected by it.

Except it was never shown in theaters.

+Abigail Archer-Addams Yes it was.

+Abigail Archer-Addams actually was for select theaters

It was in theaters July 25 and 26 if I remember it right and limited release.

+Abigail Archer-Addams Not true, I saw it myself in the cinema!

They had her shot in the uterus. It was originally in the spine, so they changed it intentionally to make her now unable to walk or have kids.

Because not being able to have kids is now seen as a greater harm to a woman than being fucking paralyzed.

ravenofhope They would have said the same thing if a man got shot in the balls.

ravenofhope​ Also I'd rather be paralysed than be unable to have kids. I think any parent would aswell. (I'm not a parent, but I do hope to have kids one day)

+Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka (The Beast of Armageddon) if the bottom half of you're body is paralysed I don't think you can have kids but I don't know.

Also wait, was Batgirl raped???

+TEEV no

TrivialRant Oh that's good, that would have been going too far

She actually might have been. Look it up

+TEEV Uh, yes. That's the point. It's in the comic book and all but outright spoken.

sassy gay best friend trope amirite

Paulene?

Nostalgia Chick, is that you? >_>

It isn't because he's gay, he should be sinned for being a STEREOTYPE of gays.

+Ryder R it's not for homophobia, it's for how stereotypical he is.

Did you not see the rest of the movie?

You must worship women.

Men are pussies now, like this guy above me

Did you not see her GIVE UP when Batman told her to stop crime fighting and said crime fighting got TOO HARD for her? Did you not see her motivations being fulled purely by BATMAN BATMAN BATMAN instead of actual crime fighting? Did you not see her throw complete tantrums when denied her candy? (Batman.)

so she wasn't crippled and raped in the original?

by the way, the story of The Killing Joke comic book ends like exactly in the movie. They really laugh and the end.

+Firat Abuleyla thank god some1 knows this!!

The whole first part just seems like a cringefest. You have Barbara's 'real world problems' with her cliche gay best friend, you have some dumbass generic bad guy who just has to be sexist because his rival is a girl, then you have Batman having sex with Batgirl for... some reason? Just... so much cringe. It feels like it was written for edgy teenagers, a la Suicide Squad rather than a reasonable audience.

Except that Batman kills the Joker in the comic book.

+Thiago Monteiro no he doesn't. It's implied but never confirmed.

Wingnarium Celliosa m3 too

oH MY GODS YES

SCREAMS

xS lol

No, I'm BatWayne.... Shit, I meant, BruceMan.... ffffff

why would he buy a coffee

+Harambe Your Lord and Savior Because he's Batman.

I'm paying with card. Sir, that card is registered to a Bruce Wayne. Um.... I don't know what you're talking about!

yes it is...isn't that why dick grayson became nightwing?

No. Dick became Nightwing because he felt like Bruce was being too overbearing on him as Robin when he was older. Dick actually sat down and talked with Supes about it and contemplated retiring from vigilantism, and Clark recommended he break out and be his own hero, and Nightwing was born.

Tragedy_Chillz Bats and Babs has only ever been a thing in the cartoon and in this movie. it’s a completely nonsense ooc ship that makes everybody uncomfortable but Bruce Timm seems to have a fetish for it for some reason

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Don’t forget about the rape either

DC comics means Detective comics comics

+Nigel Edgeberry I know...

they do that for marvel too

Actually, it doesn't. "D"te"C"tive "Comics".

+Rozwarty Czwarty No thats what "DC" SHOULD stand for but it stands for Detective Comics, look it up

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lol

i cant say this was sjw, but it did give me a feeling a hint of it.... though im surprised the joker wasnt thrown into a class teaching him to not rape lol!

LMAO! That's brilliant! You win the Internet today

hahaha...filled with idiot heroes like ..mangina, simp, trigglypuff....and others

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yeah, this is cinema sins the place where the fucks ran out a long time ago for people who hate on what they do

The_ Archer1202 - LOL

I'd say "let's go watch batman and robin"

Scott Warrior - Yes, that's why I said "AFTER *The Dark Knight."* Anyone can poke fun at "Batman and Robin." So in my original post I made it clear that I'm saying the Batman-worship has been going on since *THE DARK KNIGHT.* Lol

Oh, it was over a LONG time ago. People have been shitting on the comics ever since the Killing Joke was printed. This film is the culmination of every single thing wrong with Hank Azzarello's writing. Even the lack of adherence to the source material at the beginning is representative of his idiocy.

it happened in the comics so I don't know why he sins the movie for it?

+Brendan Grill A flaws a flaw, whether it's from the source material or not.

"hardcore feminist" is against women being degraded, raped, and paralyzed? Are you cool with that? What does that make you?

pinky75910 And you seem like a bleeding heart crybaby, mega-beta social justice warrior.

+pinky75910 What about robin being tied up and beaten to death, then having the building he was in blow up. Is that okay with you

I hate sexual content in comic films

Get over it. The same thing happened in the comics.

It's not uncommon for 30 year olds to marry people in their 20s........

Tao Liu like I said, I see Barbra being much younger. Like in her teens. Though I know Bruce is mid to late 20s and Barbra is early 20s. Barbra Idea of " I'm indestructible" is a teen-age thing in my head. While Bruce, has a weary and worn soul that most do not get until they are older.

Han Solo I said, I did not like it in the comics as well. And why do assholes always say "It was in the comics" like that gives it a pass. One: Just because it's in print don't make it O.K., Right, or even Good. Two: Not all comics are canon to lore. See, Frank Miller's Batman.

Shrek is love Sherk is life

thats what i've been waiting all my life.

I thought it was the Shawashank Redemption

Darszien it was a joke and homophobia is stupid

That's a joke. He's basically making fun of all the feminist idiots who overreacted to both the original Killing Joke graphic novel and this film and said the writers were sexist for crippling Barbara because apparently to feminists you're not allowed to kill off women or put them in any sort of peril in fiction or else you're a misogynist who hates women.

i quite like this and Under the Red Hood, it shows how horrible a being Joker is honestly, and you go from the murder of Tim Drake, to the paralyzing of Barbra Gordon, it gives reason to everything Batman does to protect those around him, and keep them away from Joker

Joker killed Jason Todd, not Tim Drake

I see you everywhere

I think they shot batgirl in the uterus just so she wouldn't have a bat baby

Wait, I'm lost. The defense for the movie is that it wasn't good?

Never read it, but I just don't like comments made specifically to get attention.

In fact you are right. It had a good premise and great ideas. But...it was too fast in not delivering what the little built up promised. But it helped starting the Batverse becoming more interesting.

+Max Earl how? It's shows not only the origin of the joker, but it's shows how insane he is and how insane he isn't, it shows that everyone is one day away from being him,

One of the best Batman comics lol but I agree that it is overrated

Your comment +1

Azmorph Thanks =)

+MrSmith305 that's a bad thing

It would take 1,000,000,000,000 lifetimes to watch. Worth it.

#22 Batgirl would be excellent at Cinema Sins.

Yes!

"Being rude to an officer gets Red imediatelly out of prison" ... cool scene but it does not work like this