Everything Wrong With Dune: Part 2 in 21 Minutes or Less 

9:54 for reference.

Exactly the secret was that the Emperor provided them with a few thousand Sardaukar plus giving them Arrakis in the first place to weaken them

This has been the best film of the year - so far - easily.

Plus that it was shot using IR cameras and not just shifted to greyscale in post is dedication to authenticity.

No

​@@summertyme5748That's not saying much.

Yes that had me in awe in the theater and I'm mad af for it not being a sin back

The issue is they NEVER explained this in the movie. They only said that it attracts worms. They could have included it at the beginning when the harkonnen soldier said no shields when they stood atop the rocks, which looks kinda like the setup for the explanation, his comment makes no sense otherwise.

Thanks

​@@grotzbully1340shields themselves attract worms. Not firing lasguns at them.

If cinemasins cared like they say (mother effer, cinemasins cares, lol)... they'd dedicate retro sins for the comment section. If they did do this, i feel they would respond to your comment with "Reading" lol

@@Moerdyr No shit1!1!1! firing lasguns at them leads to huge explosion since both the shield and the gun explode. THIS was never explained. did you even read anything i wrote?

Once you get it, you'll get it.

​@@CinemaSins No, you don't 😏.

I opened the comments after hearing that and here it is on the top

@@CinemaSins The double entendres just keep coming.

Wait, I get it, but I don't. I mean I do, but I don't.

Too clever 😂

Dad joke detected!!!

Sure! Here's some water to wash it down.

-“What? Make it yourself!” +“sudo make me a sand-witch” -“Okay”

So when they move the entire population & arrive in the south, everyone has to scramble off in time?

Good to know

But then how do you jump off with the tents and the basket Jessica was in?🤔 Now I imagine they throw the basket wherever and hope for the best 🤣 bon voyage, Jessica!

Per the books you can't stop them but you simply jump off before they go under the sand after removing the hooks from the exposed rings. Impossible to transport the eldery and babies hahahaha.

That’s the neat part. You can if you’re a Viltrumite.

Dune is to Rebel Moon as 2001: A Space Odyssey is to BattleField Earth.

@@summertyme5748 that’s an insult to Battlefield Earth

Agreed. At least Battlefield Earth was funny at times...with chemical assistance.​@@daRealB-Rex

That was called slavery in the americas

Quadfecta. You forgot chemical x

That was an epic scene. And the cinematography, the color change was epic. Just aw!

Awesome

👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼

He did the math.

Seems like someone could have just said that in the movie in thirty seconds and explained a lot lol

Also, in the book, it's explained that Duke Leto was well liked and greatly respected by the other Great Houses and had a fighting force that rivaled the Emperor's Sardukar. The Emperor was afraid of being usurped, and so he arranged for House Atreides to be betrayed and killed on Arrakis.

@@Durwood71 Ooh nice, thank you for the added lore! I'm going to have to read the books I think. I've just been soaking up the tidbits from things I see online.

@@elizabethkenobi1365 This was explained in the beginning of Dune Part 1

@@elizabethkenobi1365 they literally explain this in the first movie. I'm not sure you were paying close enough attention which is fine. But to imply they didn't explain it is not true.

I love how Hans Zimmer was so stoked to work on this movie, that he started producing and kept spamming emails to Villaneuve about his ideas even before part 2 was greenlit.

​@Finlandiaperkele D.V. had to tell him to stop sending him stuff. Honestly, that's why I suspect there's so much Dune music he made for art books. I love him for it. I have an hours long soundtrack to read all the books to.

​@@argentum909Zimmer and Villeneuve are like two fan boys getting to make their grand vision come to life. and I'm here for it

Beautiful song, terrible movie couple. I ended up hating the song. The feels are not even close to “One Day” from Pirates of the Caribbean and the absolute chills Will and Elizabeth chemistry on screen gives you.

@@di3486 That I have to agree with, the lead actors have absolutely no chemistry. Zendaya is an absolute void of chemistry, I don't think she has ever had a good on-screen chemistry with anyone.

It's a brilliant depiction of a character who loses everything by expertly winning the game.

Man Geidi Prime was a goddamn masterpiece. The light that desaturates everything and the ways they adapted to it explaining their preference for black clothing and the ink fireworks since regular ones would be pointless there. Just beautiful in a stark way. Would not want to live there though. Might explain their brutality a bit though. Can't imagine staying particularly sane there.

It made me want to rush out and buy a 2025 Nissan Al Gaib.

i was ready to stand up and volunteer for the holy war. Lead me to paradise, paul.

I still say that Dune is just the 40K prequel!

Yes but if the missiles could slow down anyways, why couldn’t they just shoot the thopter immediately?

@@wistfulgraph Vehicle and building shields are far more powerful than personal shields and can have much lower penetration velocities. They have to open up to shoot though and that means there is a window where it is coming online again and hasn't reached full strength (bigger the shield, the longer it takes). So long as you can hit it in that window the shield won't be able to stop it. They can be overwhelmed with a powerful enough projectile that keeps pushing, but that sure as hell isn't shoulder fired! Building shields in particular can stop essentially anything from penetrating (this also stops airflow of course, but they take that into account). That was why Dr. Yueh had to disable the shields before the Harkonnen and Sardaukar could attack. Without an insider it would have been a siege and they couldn't have that with the Sardaukar participating (civil war) and it would also stop spice production for as long as it lasted, which is a great way to get the Guild to embargo you. Placing such important buildings close to whatever you might be attacked for is done to prevent the enemy from just sacrificing a random guy to take out your shields (and possibly the whole area). For example, if the Harkonnen had tried that on the palace in Arrakeen, there is a decent chance that Arrakeen, and by extension, the spice refinery and all the harvesting gear there, would cease to be. Same with the spaceport; can't blow that up or getting the harvested spice offworld in the quantities needed isn't going to happen.

@@HIMPDahak kind of missing the point here. this whole scene was them trying to bait out the thopter shooting so they could hit it. why do that if the round can go through it anyway. and we saw this in the firs tmovie as well during the harkkonen invasion, shipes being blown up without ever shooting.

​@Fleato Fid you even read his comment? Vehicle shields are too strong do thru had to bait it for a weakness

Tony Stark* .... .... or was it Tony Stank? hmm ... or maybe Tony End, no wait Stop it was Tony Stop ... ... (sry) and it's "Tony Stark has build it in a cave! ... with a box of scraps!" yes, the pause is important

Wait til you see the popcorn buckets for Deadpool and Wolverine.

The movie wasn't the one sinning with the popcorn buckets

Yeah, should have been silicon or something, not hard plastic.

Not on PH.

​@@SarahonwheelsBrilliant! Thanks for the laugh.

Better to have a great character and want more, than lousy characters and want less...... Zack Snyder's Justice League is 4 and 1/2 hours of crap characters.

There’s really not much more of the character in the book. It is what it is.

@@eyespy3001 Except for the sub-plot where Feyd sends the Baron a slave boy with a poisoned needle implanted in his thigh, he has more screen time than book time.

Me too. They built him up to be so badass and consequential, and Butler is so great, but then he dies and you're like "..was that all?" Honestly, he should have been teased already in the first movie, as well as taken over from Rabban earlier in this one. Would have given his death more impact.

@@eyespy3001 Sure, but Rabban is even less prominent in the book to the point that in the book he's mentioned as dying offhandedly. I think he only appears 'on screen' in one or two scenes

right? it looks so fun

There's no refrigerators in the future

@@JamieSteam well, have you seen really any electronic usage by the cave dwelling fremen lol. other than weaponry....

Gods work

@@clubbizarre Thank you!

I noticed that on my watch of the movie and even called it out to my partner. like, wait a minute! usually continuity stuff manages to slip by me but that was a big one to miss

This movie was great in IMAX, it's one of the few movies (And Dune Part 1) I went out of my way to go to the IMAX to see, and it was worth it.

A road not taken! 1 sin off.

and it's 20 000 not 8000

Well they did radically improve them in those years, but that wasn't mentioned anywhere in the movie. The biggest improvement is somehow making them not irradiate the hell out of everything. Particularly when used as they were here. The fallout from using them to blow up that much stone and sand.... Arrakeen would be uninhabitable for at least a decade.

You gotta remember that this happens after the Butlerian Jihad. A massive revolt against AI and futuristic technology. Nukes are likely a holdover.

@@HIMPDahak modern nukes don't irradiate

I dunno, she looked pretty happy when she took down that Harkconnen harvester fleet with her bazooka. Only angry person then was incel fanboy in audience who doesn't particularly like gurlz.

Agreed, she can't act.

Pretty sure that's her only expression.

@@user-fc2tj8lf2m You're joking right? Tell me you haven't watched Euphoria without telling me you haven't watched Euphoria

@@MissPluto0 Probably cus he's not 15.

The movie is shitty. Part 1 was good. Part 2 was rushed. Felt like Game of Thrones season 8 all over again.

@@panzer4391 That's the worst take I've read all year

​@@panzer4391and from the looks of it, first was closer to the book, but scenes with lasers were idiotic, aff.

@@panzer4391 worst take ive ever hear in my life

As for "how do you make the sandworm stop?" Simple answer is: you do not. You ride it until exhaustion, at which point you get off safely. If you're still not at your destination, you call another worm. This is why the fremen measure distance in "thumpers" because it refers to the amount of thumpers you'll need to spend on calling worms to get there. Also, I understand that none of this is explained in the movies so they're still sins. I'm just explaining because it does get asked a lot and I think it's fun to explain Dune lore. I've done it a lot while watching the movies with friends and it seems to raise their enjoyment and appreciation of the movies.

Irulan figuring out Paul is alive from the patterns may seem impossible to us, but Bene Gesserit and Mentats are both essentially human computers. Mentats deal more in logic so they fit the "human computer" better, but they're both up there in just how insane they are at recognizing patterns and doing calculations.

That concept never made any sense to me. A shield is just a vibrational energy barrier and a laser is light with mass. One striking the other would never create an atomic detonation scale explosion. The laser would just bounce off the shield and strike something else for a death dealing hit, but without an explosion since they are not physical bombs.

As for the comment on artillery, it really bothered me in the movie how hamfisted it was. It was "genius" because the usage of shields have rendered artillery obsolete to the point that it's never considered for use. You know what it is great at though? Blowing the shit out of rocks. The comment feels oddly out of place because it's not the first time it'd being used in these movies. Part of why the Harkonnen attack on the Atreides was so effective was because the Harkonnen used artillery to kill Atreides forces hiding inside caves and bunkers, something that was not at all expected due to how obsolete artillery was considered.

The existence of shields is also why the saurdakar do not use guns. Like I cannot stress enough how much the existence of shields changed the face of combat in the Dune universe.

How exactly is that forced dude? She just saw him betray her in multiple levels, not only by asking another girl's hand in marriage (which to her came out of nowhere), but by doing exactly what he promised her he wouldn't do: becoming someone other than Paul Atreides. I would be fucking pissed too

@@ProjectMayhem4Chaoz She understood why that was necessary in the book and was ALL about Paul getting revenge for their murdered son, the first Leto II. Also, Alia killed the Baron with a gom jabbar while she was a captive. Baller move! I get why he left Alia out of most of the film, but he did Chani dirty.

@@colormedubious4747 Agreed. Chani should be smart enough to understand his path to victory lay in politics, and that she would fill the same role as his mother did to his father. This movie's ending conflict made her look stupid and immature.

@@camerongct "History will call us wives."

@@camerongct Except the whole point is she explicitly told Paul that she didn’t want him to take over the Fremen as a religious leader because they both know that it is a fake story. She was angry before the marriage even happened but that is just the icing on the cake. Now she has watched Paul manipulate her entire people into a cult of the leader while also watching him use their newfound loyalty as a power grab to take over as emperor of the great houses. I don’t get how it’s hard for people to understand why her character is angry (and also why people are so upset about her change in characterization from the book when the change was made specifically to display to the audience that what Paul is doing isn’t good)

Which is reasonable to not use it against the shielded thopter. But nothing on the ground can be shielded, they could have used las guns on the harvester from the start.

@@88porpoise If they fire at the crawlers the thopter can find them and direct the crawlers missiles to them. They even show it in the first movie in the opening sequence. The harvester fires off a volley of missiles at the lasgunners and they get blown to hell. The Fremen don't have a whole hell of a lot of those to begin with, so losing any is a major loss. They would be fantastic for fighting in the desert since no one on the ground has shields, but by the same token all it would take to flip the script would be to sacrifice an attack team by having them activate shields when under las fire. Sure, the sqaud is hosed whether the shield pops or worms show up, but now they will think twice about using lasguns too prolifically. I would totally set up remote operated heavy las gun bunkers outside of places you want to defend to deal with any incoming enemy ships though. Either the lasgun carves the ship up or you lose the remote bunker and the ship either blows up or loses its shield. At which point the second remote bunker finishes the job.

@@HIMPDahak Except they suffered signifi any losses from the close assault and, as noted in the video, later sense show them using lasguns against harvesters while ornithopters are present.

Certainly a Dune moment.

Not funny!

@@likecascade7015 Ok

Certified Dune Moment (Hysterical comment)

“John Dune” might as well be his name lmao

_they never spell out why the spice is essential to society itself._ Spiceposition? _Spice is used by the navigators to find a safe passage between the stars, without spice, Intersteller travel is impossible. Making spice the most valuable commodity in the Universe._ So often when a film is sinned, the viewer is revealed to not be paying attention. So the sin is on the viewer. It's can't be blamed on the filmmaking either - because it happens in every intelligent film. Recently Everything Everywhere All at Once, is a good example, but also Avengers Endgame, and Inception are good examples.

"Do you want to know the story of this watch?"

I am still disappointed at him not doing that in costume, as well as Daemon and Viserys not acting out the "Andies" slide in an out of frame thing from Hot Fuzz in costume.

They'll probably show her forgiving him and whatnot

@@vesbarrow But how and why? How can they do that and have it make sense?

@@StephenLeGresley we'll have to wait and see

@@vesbarrow Yea but the only way they can move forward is to basically re-write Dune Messiah completely which I think it what's going to happen as he has no plans to go beyond that book so I think he's going to leave the Twins out and change the story to Chani leading a rebellion against Paul because why not just do Fan Fiction at this point?

You nerds need a real life hobby

Wonder how they’ll handle the time jump for the next one then. We see her fully grown in those visions, so that’s like 17-20 years. Gonna need some old man make up for Timothy.

^ You haven't explained why the events make sense or not based on time. Longer amounts of time - beg the question of why no one can figure out who Maud Dib is. If you simply looked at the narrative of the film - without the book - you would never say - this makes sense, but not enough time.

Yes.

keep coping, watch the movies side by side and you might stop being delusional, the director himself doesn’t even like his own damn movie 😭

The original happens to be a series of books. Also: this is the FOURTH filmed interpretation. They all have their merits.

Has been giving those to good movies for a long time

The movie freaking rocks: *Esp Zendaya.*

She looked over her shoulder and saw that Harkonnen sneaking up - then turned and blew his azz up with a bazooka. Then she grinned and yelped. You're so sexist in wanting a pretty girl to only ever vapid smile, or sexy pout. Sean Young tried that - and where did that get her?