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can you analize mimir qouting kratos's apearance on mortal combat [I think] because I never tought it would be cannon or he was talking on the Tournymants of the olimpian gods in lore
@@The_Knight2004 it was Sony all star or some shit it had different characters on there and kratos was one of them. They're not talking about MK 💯 I forgot the name of the game but I know it had different characters
I like how even in 2018 as soon as it's just the adults, is when he opens up more. He's trying to keep the truth hidden from Atreus but Mimir (especially when finding out he's the ghost of sparta) can just talk and open up. Even in this while Kratos does speak about his past it's usually when Atreus asks. But when it's him, Mimir, and Freya, again he feels more open to talk about these things as these are all people who have seen their fair share of shit and wouldn't judge him for it.
If you remember the line of Lyssandra in GoW III using fear Kratos before hugging your family she said: "To be forgiven you must find the power to forgive yourself". That touched my heart.
@@killerbonzai1 nah, cause the point is you *can’t* seek forgiveness from the dead….only from yourself for causing it. Using this game as an example,Sindri can forgive Atreus and Brock most likely doesn’t have to…..but true forgiveness comes once Atreus forgives himself
@@adrianuribe1057 truth be told, it's in question if Calliope is alive. She could always leave elysium and live life normally, but who knows if she will.
@@warpstarrogue3554 I assume unless one of the surviving Greek Gods stepped in Elysium and the Underworld eventually collapsed. I honestly kinda hoped Odin would have had someone track down her soul to use it against Kratos. It was his one weakspot, plus then we would have gotten Angry Kratos again
Honestly I think the part that shocked her more than not was that it was HE who killed his daughter. That is what she could not imagine herself or what it would mean.
@@Kiginsworth1010 she’s a goddess. You wouldn’t call Odin a man, he’s a god. Men are mortal, gods are not. Very straightforward. Just semantics, but they still mean something
“I am not here for debts, I would have always helped you.” Out of everything in this game that probably hit me the hardest really makes you realize this is not the same character in the original trilogy
Actually, he went out of his way to help all of his allies in the greek series Orkos, Deimos, Pandora, Athena, The oracle, Gaiah, Atlas (once he stopped serving the gods) etc. When he fell from Gaiah, he actually has a flashback of him screaming in rage for killing Athena. She was his sister and he was actually pissed that she threw herself in the way of Zeus. Kratos has always had a soft spot for people, it's just that he was too drunk with fury. By the time GoW 3 hit, Kratos had killed all of his allies at their request or watched them die and that's what set off the huge explosion of rage that we see. Especially when losing Pandora for "nothing"
@@akedus44 Lmao okay I'mconvinced that one was a gag because we always see him. We saw him in nearly all the games. I think there's a note from him in the underworld too in 3.
The tone change Freya has when she realizes how much she and Kratos share in their pain, really hits hard knowing he didn't have to tell her any of this but wanted her to know he understood her. Goes a long way to show us how far Kratos has reflected on his life choices, how much he yearns to change.
Well, spartans were bred for war and were one of the cruelest in rising their young to do so, Kratos wanting only to live in peace he would have rather not have his son go trough the same treatment as him for he would have rather have him learn how to survive rather than kill for a living. Doesn't mean he doesn't like Sparta tho, a lot of his stories still show how much he misses the place and Greece in general
As someone who wishes to not see the same sh*t he went through ever again. He probably questioned everything that could lead to it, his education included.
@@makairidah8354 The discipline of Sparta has its uses, but Kratos also understood that discipline was instilled solely for the purpose of war. Now, he tries to use it to focus and maintain control.
For those wondering why is Kratos so talkative with Freya about his past, it's because of what she said to mimir. "this is a temporary alliance, anything beyond that would require trust" So kratos builds that trust by telling her about his life, and everything that has made him what he is, even the things he was hiding.
Well when you think about it, lightning rarely strikes twice in the same place. The idea of one woman settling down with "Such a horrible man" might have been a fluke in her mind, realizing that there was another family may have made her realize he hasn't always been the man she knows.
@@mesiagamer5217 if I recall correctly, which I'm probably not doing the males went through harsher treatment as women were actually treated with high respect, so while the women went through training, it wouldn't have been as brutal. on the other hand, the only things we know of Sparta are from the ruins and the Greek philosopher Xenophon
@@djthefox6762 either way Spartan woman would have a similar mindset as the men as their entire society was to make great warriors supported by a large cast of slave labor for everything else.
@@mesiagamer5217 Oh i'm painfully aware of Spartan customs and lifestyle, the women didn't go through Agoge like the men do, they *are* physically and mentally prepared to defend the home though. Alot of warrior societies tend to have such mentality in that everyone bleeds the same when you stab them with a spear, whether it's a man or a woman holding it.
I had to google a reference here and I did not get disappointed at all “I heard you did battle with beasts, scoundrels, princesses, the undead, automatons and history’s greatest musician. That’s not… that’s not true, is it?” Kratos then simply replies: “I would not speak of this”. The dialogue refers to PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, a PS3 and Vita fighting game released in 2012 in which a number of PlayStation characters, including Kratos, fight in Smash Bros style battles. Mimir’s question appears to refer to some of the game’s characters, such as Nathan Drake (a scoundrel), Fat Princess (a princess), Sir Daniel Fortesque from MediEvil (the undead) and either Clank or a BioShock Big Daddy (an automaton). But it’s the line about “history’s greatest musician” that will please most long-time PlayStation fans, as it refers to cult hero PaRappa the Rapper, who starred in a series of rhythm games in the PS1 and PS2 era.
@@eugennegurici8064 I can see with the others but I don't think any character from mortal kombat has that title of history's greatest musician. And if they did mention it, i think kratos will say when 2 gods from another realm bowed to him when he won against a powerful emperor.
@@ramsesgonzalez8618 I think by "History's Greatest Musician", it either refers to Sindel because of her screams, or Johnny Cage, because he's a Superstar. Although Cage might seem counterintuitive because he's an actor, I don't think Gods know what an actor is.
I love that Kratos purposefully did not put his son through the same Spartan training he had in his youth. As if even he realizes how ruthless it was and he did not want his son to go through that.
one thing i wished they mentioned in the game was krato’s actual appearance, explaining his scars, tattoos, or even his white skin. but everything this video is still more than nothing which i appreciate.
I'd argue not everything should be shared unless it couldn't be avoided. Like, Kratos explaining why his skin is how it is would just be awkward in my opinion. It's a sensitive subject for him so handling it would be tricky
@@Owliare ya it would be very odd to just bring up and would feel forced. The only time I can think of it coming up naturally is when Atreus asked why he doesn't look like Kratos, then referring to his physical physique
I assume the Aesir would probably think think his tattoo makes him really strong. Since all the Aesir have very small and intricate tattoos all around their bodies for magical purposes but Kratos having one big red tattoo would probably make them think he's just a meathead with magic that makes him strong.
@@dejosserman to be specific I really liked when he mentioned colliope that made me tear up. It gave me flash backs to when he said "NO! I WILL NOT LET THE GODS TAKE HER FROM ME AGAIN!"
I want a DLC where we get to see Freya's and Mimir's reaction to Kratos: 1. Killing Poseidon. 2. Ripping Helios' head off. 3. The Hands of Death could not defeat me. The Sisters of Fate could not hold me. Speech.
I had a dream literally about this, but along the lines of Athena, in an attempt to bring Kratos under her command, manages to use a power she obtained (which she did while not being around for Ragnarok), to make Kratos and Freya (saying this thinking of it like an endgame DLC, and I think Atreus would have a hard time with it...) fight against an illusion of the Ghost of Sparta. Peak Kratos, all his Olympian weapons and abilities from right before fighting Zeus. His anger, his rage, even bring back the old voice actor or someone who sounds like the old voice actor. And have Kratos and Freya fight for their very lives while Mimir has an existential crisis about Helios' head on Kratos' belt. "The parallelism of this situation is sheer lunacy, brother!" And just their reactions to being on the receiving end of that power, hell, imagine KRATOS' reaction to his old power. He may KNOW he was more powerful then, but imagine how he'd feel to have to fight that power directly.
@@volmaaraldovahkiin5346 Current Kratos is actually more powerful than his Greek self since Greek Gods are said to grow more powerful in their eternal life-span. And Kratos is said to be about 1000+ years old rn. It'd work just as well if she was gathering info about current Kratos made a replica of THAT version and gave him all of his old weapon and equipment. Now that'd be a nightmare lol
Considering how much the historical Vikings have traveled by sea, going everywhere from Constantinople to Morocco, from Iceland to the banks of the Volga River.... It makes perfect sense that the gods of the Norse world would know so much about the myths and legends of the Greek world that Kratos came from, with the stories and culture getting to them via trade and other cultural osmosis.
Weirdly, one of the oldest historical records we have of an encounter with the Norse was a Greek explorer from well over 2000 years ago. He somehow made it up there and described them as taller, fairer, and stronger than most other peoples he encountered.
It never occurred to me until now how massive a lore dump Freya just stating that "magic is bound to the earth" really is. That kind of reveals the basis for the entire magic system of the God of War world in all of two sentences.
Technically, one of the only form of magic Kratos was able to retain from Greece was the magic that allow the blade of chaos to produce fire. Don't know if the curse that prevent Kratos to get rid of the blade count as magic too.
@@Cafearmuire I'd say a curse still qualifies as magic. He also got to keep his more inherent godly magical abilities, but thats besides the point. Considering the reaction the blades got in Ragnarok though, I have to question if they're really "greek" weapons. Primordial fire and all.
Indeed. Explains also why his powers might be somewhat diminished. Well, his magic. More specifically. With the exception being his blades, and his overall godhood.
@@sutoriimmortal2177 well, the blades are certainly greek. After all, they where made in the fiery pits of Tartarus by Hephaestus, following the designs of the former God of war Ares. As for their source of power... Certainly not greece. not the land. Nor any land. Primordial elements are basically all the same in any creation myth of any land.
@@LiefTheDroid That line and "I've killed greater gods than him" on the topic of Heimdall shows that while he may be a far more self-reflective and controlled now, Kratos still has 0 chill.
"You think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child?" If there's something Kratos understands, it's exactly that. Also the Greek gods got a taste of that very pain.
I wish Kratos had talked to Atreus more about Deimos, or Colliope. You know, just a mention that Deimos was what inspired his tattoo. Anything. The game is already so long, a single line could’ve fit somewhere.
I honestly doubt he'd ever talk about calliope with him. That's a big sore spot for him and Atreus might take offense to him having murdered his last family. Kind of a hard thing to swallow your dad having done
if atreus knew calliope it would be like one of the hallucination later in the game where atreus can be seen running towards odin away from kratos and yelling "help me allfather, he is a monster"
I think they may be saving that revelation for Atreus that Kratos had a family before him, probably in the next game. Kratos never fully explained the extent of his rampage in Greece (understandably so), so it'll definitely be some drama for them in the future.
Kratos sparing Atreus the atrocities of his former lifestyle is one of the greatest gifts he could give him kratos never got the chance to just be a kid but he’s trying to give that chance to his son
I mean it could be cool but I also like the idea that she is at peace. And Kratos knows she's safe and would never put her in danger again so he's happier being out of her life
@@jefferycrouse4652 that right , but from chains of Olympus we know kratos can't go to Elysium because the curse of Persephone , so kratos didn't know anything about her after that , and we know what Greece was like at the end of gow3 , So that would be a good point to create a new story maybe like bloodborne
@@alexanderkarvos1361 god really said: alright kratos just destroyed Greece YOINK ahh there now you and your mama can watch your father and new brother journey together :)
@@theenderdestruction2362 God was just a newly formed idea from an oppressed people before Kratos started killing the gods and He decided to let all souls into the new realm He made
"and yet.. the guilt remains.." seeing Kratos look back on his actions and feel nothing but guilt and unworthiness just shows his build in character. love to see his growth
I think the story of how Hephaestus made Pandora is the first time Kratos started talking about his past entirely unprompted. With Deimos it's at least relevant to the situation, but in Alfheim he shared for the sake of sharing. Sucks that he cut straight to the end.
@@kevinkaslana9060 Fun fact for Laconic witticism (A style of speech unique to Laconia, the region of Greece Sparta resides in), Such individuals tend to, as I put it, make like a spear and have a point. One of the prime examples of this was Philip II of Macedonia, Alexander the Great's father. He threatened the rulers of Sparta and tried to intimidate them into toeing the line like most of the rest of Greece and threatened "If I march into Sparta, your men will be put to the sword and your children enslaved" or something to that effect. Ever the tough son of a bitches they were, they responded with one word: If Basically daring them to come and try their luck. Philip left Sparta the fuck alone.
The way Freya's voice broke when she learned how Colliape died made me choke a bit, only then did she learn there IS a greater pain than watching someone murder your child.
I totally love how evrytime freya doubt if kratos can feel what kind of pain she's suffering, it's basically a huge mistake evrytime, and she understand it little by little.. Nicely done. 😄
I’m so glad someone else in here acknowledges this 😂 considering kratos himself wont confirm nor deny it 😂 , I would like to think he ended up there on his way to the Norse land
Ygros, Greek for Humid. I hope Atreus travels there even for a while. Wanna see how Greek is after all that happened. Probably won’t see Kratos back there but I wanna see how Atreus reacts to the world after all that
Given how many Norse traded with the Greeks and served the Emperor ruling Greece as Varangians, it really isn't too much of a stretch for Atreus and other of his Norse compatriots to make it there
These stories are so interesting because you get to hear it from a matured perspective from Kratos. The GoW games before the Norse arc were more bloody and combat focused so you could say they didn’t emphasize story telling as much. To hear them from Kratos’s perspective after many years of thorough reflection is a new way of looking at the events in Olympus. It has aged like wine because we know Kratos’s story and all the things he’s been through
Freya: even in death they are never truly gone. our loved ones are always with us. Kratos: especially when the previous god of war fuses their ashes to your skin, turning you from a tan skinned greek into a paper white ghost. Freya: WHAT? Kratos:what?
I really hope they follow Atreus and make a spin-off for him. Kratos is in such a good spot now, I don’t see how he could get in a better one and to just take it all away would fucking suck.
whats really great about this elder kratos is that he has si much wisdom and knowledge to share. teachs not just the characters of the game but us as well. fucking awesome
Can't wait for the next saga to start (Egyptian, Celtic perhaps?), and Kratos continues to tell stories from his past travels, now including his Nordic adventures.
I think Celtic is a bad idea. Too similar to the Norse world. (Ireland is also a Northern country where its very cold. But I guess there's more forests?) Egypt makes most sense. A totally different landscape once again near advanced civilization. Egyptian civilization is on par with Greek in terms of population or complexity.
It would make lots of sense for it to be Celtic. The Norse invaded many Celtic lands, especially Ireland and founded the city of Dublin. The Germanic people who worshipped the Norse gods also would have come into conflict with the Celts. However, when Cory Barlog showed artwork for what Kratos and Atreus would face next, right after GoW 2018's release, he showed them in Egypt facing a sphinx. Norse and Greeks did have plenty of encounters in Egypt. One original plan was for Kratos to meet his Norse and Egyptian counterparts (and then after killing the pagan gods, they'd welcome Christ as the Three Wise Men) so Egypt has been in the God of War plans for a long time. The Egyptians even have myths about their gods usurping each other, to reflect when different gods were worshipped with more prominence, like Isis taking Ra's position as chief god, so it could be quite fitting to have Kratos and Atreus aid some better gods in overthrowing the more unjust ruling Egyptian gods.
I saw somewhere that the creator of GoW said that the idea of Egypt was before Norse, but it's too close to Greece, that's why they didn't go there, and maybe won't
@@MegaKnight2012 The Egyptian gods are ruthless, may be just as bad as the greek pantheon, for sure the Egyptian mytho's is worse than Norse so having a game where Kratos fights the likes of Ra, Osiris, Seth, and Anubis sounds insane yet can be a possible next game for the series
@@Cruddy129 It wouldn't be surprising, though maybe it's because my knowledge of Egyptian gods is lacking that it seems surprising that they could be more ruthless than the Greeks, led by that famous of rapists, Zeus. One unpleasant Egyptian myth of gods trying to wrong the other comes to mind, and another when Ra was usurped by a goddess through magical control, but that's about it
Freya : Kratos … tell me more about your homeland Kratos : its was Violent and cruel Freya : Hmm , sound just like these land Kratos : It was warmer … Freya: ………..
This game has some of the best dialogue I’ve ever heard. It’s really feels like it’s Kratos (or whoever the character) is talking and it’s not a bunch of writers with different views
love how Fraya says he wouldnt understand how she feels losing a child then he proceeds to give a situation 100x worse than hers that he had to endure.
The beauty of "the tournament" reference is that it is a double reference to both Playstation All-Stars and Mortal Kombat. Both of which had all of the mentioned ... up until the musician part. haha
I like how you can hear Freya's shock at how Kratos was specifically tricked into killing his own family. It's one thing to have family turn against you. It's one thing to turn against family. It's a completely separate and horrible thing to just be doing your normal routine and suddenly realize you just destroyed your family. Freya is lucky that she has an explanation for why she made Baldur hate her. She's lucky in that she has people to blame for his death. Kratos, meanwhile, got the rawest deal. He doesn't have the luxury of being able to pin the blame solely on Ares, since Ares wasn't the man that killed them; Kratos was. He was just doing through the motions when he butchered the people he loved, because in his mind "why would they even be here?"
It’s amazing how it’s now Kratos telling the stories instead of Mimir. Incredible character development. One tender moment where Kratos is able to open up about his time as a Spartan general with Atreus opened the flood gates for a whole wellspring of stories for Kratos to tell.
Kratos: There was Medusa, Queen of the Gorgons. Her gaze turned men to stone. A mirror would turn her own powers against her. Or...you may remove her head. But that is the hard way. Freya: Which did you choose? Kratos: The hard way.
Okay..... now I fully expect Kratos to become a massive giant, or weild elemental powers + in future games again. I didn't think about it until they brought it up
Just imagine if they made a dlc about kratos getting some of his weapons or magic back, it would be heavily chaotic and really interesting on how or where it got brought up again like hades claws
5:30 Mimir; "I heard you fought strange oodities." Kratos; "My father and I did. However, we also fought a racoon, a tiny metal men with a furry companion, a pointed ear man with a pet weasel, a man who hunts treasure, a rapping dog, and the most dangerous opponent I have ever come to face." Freya; "What could be more dangerous than Odin?" Kratos; "A burlap sack." Mimir; "I'm sorry. A what?"
That last part explains how he lost his thunder summon power in GOW2. And that votex tornado power from GOW3. Shame. I love that power attack from it...
0:09 gotta say I much prefer Atreus’s company for these kinda of moments than freya. freya is great but kratos being even a little vulnerable around his son hits harder
5:21 that "automatons" is referring to Raiden from MGR/Playstation Battle Royale And the world's greatest musician is referring to Parappa the Rapper in Playstation Battle Royale