Evidence the Jury Did Not See in MA v Karen Read | Killer Or Cover-Up Murder Trial 

I didn't have time to watch the trial. Maybe, if they try her again I can make time to watch it. If they don't retry her I'm watch the first trial on archives. At this point I don't have an opinion.

i definitely need more evidence one way or the other to be able to decide

I watched every minute of every court day. Brian Albert, Brian Higgins, and possibly Colin Albert committed murder!! If Norfolk County is serious about law and order, and seeking the truth, they will put all three of them on trial, convict them, and send them to prison!! Along with Jen McCabe, and all others involved in the cover-up! For folks who are short on time but want to really understand the defense position, watch the five defense witnesses in the last three days of the trial. Compelling!!! The FBI should take the lead in investigating 34 Fairview Basement and Bulkhead, and the Sallyport tail light corruption!!! Good show Vinny as always.

Bonnie, you said you want phone GPS. John’s GPS was on. It proved he never went in the house. That was demonstrated in trial by the Lt. It showed him in the yard at 12:24 and never moved. It showed it was impossible for him to have gone into the house. All demonstrated in the trial by MSP using GPS.

@@brbrknndy They have already stated they are going to retry her.

true! 2 renowned professionals in fact stated his injuries were not that of a car backing into him.

I agree!!!

Absence of evidence is not evidence if absence . There is direct evidence of DNA on karens bumper and broken taillight that is proof karen hit John

No enough obviously

@@jendee1260 their own medical examiner said his injuries were inconsistent with being hit by a car as well

That prooves nothing 😅

I can see why Higgins got rid of his phone 😅

Does nt come close to murder.😮

Their private lives and conversations should not be shown to the world because Karen killed John in a blackout drunk rage.

Also the family room in the basement...which they could ill afford to do. They ripped the floors and cement up also. Why? Soaked with blood.

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@abeerali7834 So they smashed it up and buried the pieces deep in the snow how exactly? Given the search team were there at the same time

​@@oiooi6460 The search team arrived at 5.45. The car was taken on a 15 minute drive at 4.16 but Proctor 'mistyped' and wrote that it was collected at 5.30 to cover the missing 1 hour 15 minutes. So they had the vehicle for over an hour before the search team arrived. The tow driver said he left the car outside the sallyport so it's easy to smash it, drive 5 minutes away to 34 fairview, lay the pieces and return to the sallyport before the search team got there. Also a search team had already searched the area, when the snow was softer and before it had been treaded on making it easier to see. They took the leaf blower and moved the snow all the way to the ground but there was no taillight. Taillight was found only after Proctor took the car on a 15 minute journey that lasted one and a quarter hours. That's how the 2nd search team found things. And even though they had shovels its strange that they didn't find all the pieces. They just magically appeared after 2 sets of police searched.

@@oiooi6460 they toke the car to the police station before it got towed. Remember the video that was reversed? It was night time or early morning because the sun wasn't out yet

@JustUsProduction Man you believe any old crap

Phots taken a the scene, which way he was laying, the 911 call so many little things are just wrong

You forgot "BUTT ANSWERS" and "BUTT CONVERSATIONS"

I totally agree this was the most unprofessional, shady murder case I've seen. The idea they want to retry this case is insane.

Thanks for the efficient and appreciated comment!

You're either a person helping mankind, or a policeman! - USMC (Semper Fidelis) SGT E-5 (5811)

More than likely the cops where you live do the same thing. Have you never been out with a group of LEOs? They definitely live life ABOVE the law.

Make friends with as many as you can.

Oh then you should join BLM because they're great. They're really good for you. Are you above it? Let me see. Karen Reed wasn't a cop. She was driving drunk explain that

Don't dial 911 if your boogie men cops are needed then. Karen's Guilty on the DNA 😅period

Karen Read was driving in a blackout drunk rage. That’s ok though.

Not proven. None of the experts included the case investigation reporting in their analysis.

Opinion only Karen's Guilty

@@ritaeichler2066did you watch the same trial?

@@Kwinters988Right?!?!🤦🏻‍♀️Like What?

??? With 1/3 of the evidence. Which guy? The one with his wife on free Karen read pages ? Umm ok.

I think you're getting ahead of yourself to complain that there was no search of the Albert house. There wasn't even a search of the area where the body was found! Several possible eyewitnesses to the collision (Sara Levinson, Brian Albert Jr., the other people in Ryan Nagel's truck, Lucky Loughran, Caitlin Albert and "Trissy Tightlips", etc) weren't even interviewed until Proctor found out people were getting federal grand jury subpoenas sixteen months after the crime. If this investigation was being done in good faith, in the genuine belief that it was a vehicular homicide, why didn't Proctor ever arrange for a comprehensive search of the accident scene? Why didn't he at least try to interview everybody he had reason to think might have seen the collision? Why wasn't the location of ANYTHING measured? Joe Paul's collision reconstruction is based, in part, on a second-hand *estimate* of where O'Keefe's body had been found. Trooper Joe Paul got it from Lt. Paul Gallagher, who wasn't there when John was found. Some unidentified person told Gallagher that O'Keefe was about seven feet from the curb, and Paul just ran with it.

No she’s guilty. She could blame the southern hemisphere and not sweat about it. Lol. She’s a killer.

Is that your only fans pic?

Canton MA is dirty and corrupt. So is Omaha, NE and the District Courts!

​@@user-dl5td8jd4e who asks that? Fuckin creep

​@@user-dl5td8jd4eYou created an account to come on here. Say something because you don't wanna use your real account, what a joke.

Unfortunately the jury of our peers often believe, if your in court you did something wrong. If the police said you did it even without proof you are guilty

It wasnt 4 that stated that. The defense experts said it but they did not review the evidence or investigation reports in their analysis.

@@ritaeichler2066exactly

@@ritaeichler2066the common wealths own medical examiner said John’s injuries were inconsistent with being hit by a vehicle as well

It doesn't mean he wasn't hit by a car that's an opinion. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence😅

if the dog ate pig, there'd both pig AND dog DNA.

@@BoxerClover but they never swabbed the actual wounds. Just swabbing one spot on his shirt is not enough, swabbing the bite would have been the correct way and for some reason they didn’t. Not to mention that shirt in question was left with Proctor and no chain of custody or proper storage etc etc

​@@BoxerCloverwounds were never swabbed. Plus clothing was left out on open to dry for WEEKS.

Which was dumb, they could find plastic or whatever they claim that caused the wounds. Maybe they did it but didn't like the results. 😅

Intentional

They threw their phones away, the day before they were told not to. Someone tipped them off.

​@@user-nj9db2tg9wbingo

Yeah, especially because no one was pounding on their door, asking if they saw anything.

@@rebeccacampbell8020 vv c h. Km hu x z xc

It’s my understanding that the judge will not allow the Albers to be investigated. She is part of the cover up. Also the judge would not allow the FBI to step in and investigate and be a part of this trial. At least that’s the way I see it and interpret the fact.

Yes! Exactly! Be fair before you point fingers at another. They’re so quick to blame and claim so many calls were butt dialed

All those missing cell phones that were destroyed all those Sim cards that were destroyed all those butt dials that night come on people the real murders is not Karen Reed. They’re the people inside that house. Why would they destroy the Sim card and cell phones after they knew good and well, they should not. I would bet you will find John O’Keefe’s blood under that newly poured basement floor in the house.

When 3 of the main characters involved destroyed their phones the day before they had a legal subpoena . It’s crazy that the police did not even step inside the house where he was found on the lawn !

They can’t fill in the holes because it isn’t true!

Omg me too every night I put my son to bed sit on the couch and go down the rabbit hole lol

Your emojies make no sense to your sentence. First a smiley and then a tear drop.

And me lol

Me too🤦🏻‍♀️

I'm mainly interested in seeing whether the prosecutors will ever show that they're capable of feeling shame. They probably never will; their usual practice is just to ignore new exculpatory information as it arises. But maybe someday? I was looking through the "Statement of Facts" in their last pretrial filing this morning. It says Jen McCabe texted O'Keefe at 12:31 ("Hello"), 12:40 ("Pulll up behind me"), and 12:45 ("Hello"), and that she "observed the black SUV drive away from the house" just after the last one. It's now incontrovertible, from the state's own evidence (Nick Guarino) that the absolute latest Read could have driven away from the house is 12:33 (her first ping off a cell tower other than the one nearest 34 Fairview), and that's if she drove back to 1 Meadows at more than twice the speed limit (there is no evidence that she was speeding at all). So, we know Jen McCabe texted John at least twice (probably three times) after the SUV left. The 12:40 text clearly implies that she can still see the SUV, though it had been gone for *at least* seven minutes. Worse (and I cannot understand why the pretrial filings omit this), she also called his phone seven times during this period, including six times between 12:41 and 12:50. These calls were all deleted from her phone (though not from John's) and she claims they were butt dials. She sent a fricking text after the third call! I think any reasonable person has to admit that this is at least a *bit* suspicious. Incidentally, John's call records also show that he *answered* Jen McCabe's call at 12:29:44 and was connected for 8 seconds. So, until 12:29:52. According to the prosecution's new timeline (from the closing argument), "trigger event 2" (24 mph in reverse) happened at 12:30 a.m. Does this still work? How did Jen McCabe repeatedly miss seeing the body out there in plain view and not 60 feet from where she was standing? What SUV did she see driving away? Was that a different SUV? How come that one didn't see the body on the lawn? She called John at 12:29, got an answer (presumably him saying "I'm here"), then this horrific collision happens at 12:30, then she texts him "hello" a minute later? And she deleted that call? I mean, WTF!?

they clearly don't have as much free time as you

@@user-dl5td8jd4e They may not have lots of free time, but making these videos is their part of their job. So they spend lots of time watching trials. What's their excuse then for not paying proper attention?

I came here to say this. These people know nothing. They need to read the discovery stuff and what was allowed and not allowed. The defense tried. But if their phone isn’t pinging then there won’t be anything on the cell tower.

And Karen’s phone wasn’t turned in for over two years. N she had a burner.

go watch something else.

Perhaps he couldn’t come out because John had got a few blows in during the fight and left marks on Alberts face.

You'd think the cops would barge in to make sure it wasn't some lunatic cop killer tryna get both Okeef and Albert

Especially how much the blue sticks together

Right and they refer to him as a some guy And how was it that he’s in a mound of snow but no snow on top of him ? I think he was put there after the plow or the plow guy did it ! Maybe paid off by one of the cops , I’m beginning to feel like John was set up the whole time probably had some dirt on them . I mean seriously why would they be having an after party mature adults knowing that there was a blizzard going to come and kids at home and 14 other adults in the house where were their kids? What time did those people leave who has a party when there’s going to be a blizzard especially cops.

Or security cameras off

@@4catmom14 also ripped up the cement basement floor and remodeled the whole thing before the home sale.

Exactly on destroying the phones! I have all of my old phones and my brother always trades his in...WHO IN THE WORLD would DESTROY their phone and throw it in a dumpster???? I have NEVER heard of anyone doing that! I have asked everyone I know what they do with their old phones and they ALL said keep it or trade it in...Hmmm?!

They had all the text messages already, so it didn't matter if they got rid of the phones. Conspiracy theorists always overlook the obvious details and focus on the minor ones that support their assumptions. Just look at the JFK assassination. All kinds of wakey theory's about that.

I want to know how so many found her guilty? I wonder what the jurors were told by the judge? The whole justice system seems to be corrupt IMO

@@JoBlo321 you hit the nail on the head…

Karen didnt do it willingly, for quite some time, Proctor started going through it BEFORE he had a warrant!

@@chhansen9813shame on him! He deserves to be fired

Jen McCabe was a very credible witness and I believe her and the others. Karen is a narcissist. 😏

because they like to generate bullshit lies.

And he was handpicked...

Yes yes yes!!!!! 🙌🏻

EXACTLY

Its also why the prosecution didn't call the 2 gentlemen hired by the FBI because they didn't agree with their theory that he was hit by a car instead the defense called them.

We see the tailight haha. Take your pic It’s busted. Clearly busted at 5 am.

You hit it you hit it, you hit it! Bingo, if they did the investigation properly the Mcalberts would be in trouble

Karen is the only onw with mutant eyes, because she could run to a snow covered body in the dark.

Prosecution originally thought that Karen ran him over at 12;45am, so the narrative of all the conspirators was that all eyes were on Karen's vehicle constantly at 12;20 through 12;35, thru windows and doors and the car that drove up behind. But when it later came out that Karen was already home and on the wifi at 12;36, and that John had actually died at 12;29am, it was too late for the prosecution to shift all of the conspiring timeline testimonies.

4 minutes drive to John's house

​​@@stugrant01Prosecution said 12:45 at Arraignment, 2 day after on February,2nd No data was collected at that time He never said that in opening statement 0:52

@@MaureenODonovan wrong 7-8 in good weather - and she isn't from canton

Move the trial to NH far, far away from Canton and the crazy pink shirts.

In this case, worse.

Gee, nobody ever had that thought before

It's time to realise that criminals can be just as dirty as cops!!

Defense lawyers are way worse in some cases/

Right? It’s not novel going on since the dawn of time Jesus

100% correct

Hmm, as if detectives didn't know.

It would have been just more trash talk about KR not worth losing your job over

@@Tess-163or it could have been about the death of John…

Oh geez well they just coincidentally happened to lose or destroy all the phones!!

Being threatened by the alberts bothers them more.

They lied and said it was because someone from another case they were involved in, got their numbers. I would have asked, how many other times did you have to get rid of your phone for that reason, in your career??? I bet you they would have said, NONE.

Man this is golden..

@@user-nj9db2tg9w I think those Proctor and Higgins are glad there will be no retrial (realistically). Otherwise they'd have to go through all that again.

And the family dog

And dog!!

So why they can’t do a phone dumb on that phone ?

@@Esperanza19925 a what?

@@missychelle33 this is what's just mind blowing 🤯

​@@Esperanza19925what is a "phone dumb"?

I think he/she meant phone "dump". ​@shazzasees

guilty

And the dog that quickly got whisked away to who knows where.

Who destroys their phone on a military base?!? WHO DOES THAT?? And right before he was told his phone would be needed for evidence. Come on, who does that?!?

Anyone can delete anything from a phone. Besides why let the world see your private messages. Funny fbi didn't find any framing of Karen from Proctors phone. He never planted evidence😅

Yes they set up the whole conspiracy , deciding who should do what, how to persuade every paramedic, local police officer, state police officer, fire fighter and all the people at the house to lie, and how to get Troopers to plant evidence. All in a few seconds of a call. Get out of here.

@@Robin-xt7yoor killed 😢

Lally was not as dynamic in presenting the case like jackson waz. Despite his poor speaking ability , i do believe there is lots of evidence that she is guilty of manslaughter. The DA should get a different prosecutor & another reconstruction expert for a retrial.

I did the opposite . Guilty as charged

@@davidking6986 Agree. Karen Read was out of her mind that night. Blackout drunk rage filled with hate towards John.

@@mandystrong8196SCIENCE (as explained by the top experts hired by the FBI) does NOT support JO ever having been struck by a vehicle!!! SCIENCE does not support her car’s damage being caused by a 24 mph collision with a pedestrian . Case closed!!!

I thought she was. After the trial I knew she was. Guilty.

Black box shows Karen killed John

@MaureenODonovan Trpr Guarino testimony on Direct Qstning said the black box ie the chip w the data was destroyed from them trying to retrieve it. That's why Trooper Paul had only a little to work with (Key cycles only, without the GPS and time of day assoc to key cycles). If the full Blackbox data had survived, then this would have been over, either Karen exonerated or not. So given that why would Norfolk Co DA/Troopers not pulled out all the stops to preserve it? Why not get FBI experts to do what they do best? Mistakes like that are what leave such Qs in Peoples/Jurors minds. It starts to look shady how many mistakes the police made. @DutyRon, Ed Wallace, @JoeGiacalone and many more are aghast at how accepted police processes weren't followed, ie like no witness statements were taped nor signed statements. Etc. If police do not do their jobs properly, sadly a case is never going to be successful.

@MaureenODonovan Source: Court testimony June 20 (day 28 of the trial) Trpr Guarino at the end of his testimony describe to the prosecutor that he tried several times to remove the Black Box chip from the Lexus, and didn't know how, and asked a Trooper from Calif to try to help and eventually destroyed the chip.

​@@MaureenODonovan the car data Trooper Paul spoke to was from two key turns before his testing. That would have been when the car was getting loaded onto the flatbed, and couldn't possibly be related to the alleged collision.

That’s reasonable doubt in a nutshell

JOHN NEVER ENTERED THE HOME

Good question.

@@davidking6986did you watch the trial? There’s evidence he did, all those steps. People have te-enacted it on the EXACT SAME STREETS WITH THE EXACT SAME PHONE MODEL and there is no way driving down an incline would cause the phone to think the person was taking steps!

@@davidking6986 are you friends with them?

So they wait 6 months haha. He never went in the house. Phone proves it. Talking about a house any house is like ? I mean why ?

this case is ridiculous

2 acre lot body was found by the property line, far left side, covered with several inches of snow Not steps from the front door as stated by defence

@@MaureenODonovan it was barely snowing when they left. There was just a dusting , the heavy snow didn’t start falling until after 3:00am

@@vegefranzit really is. The level of corruption is mind boggling

Absolutely!

Proctor opinions. Have no bearing on the evidence in the case Guilty as charged

Exactly the "evidence the jury didn't see" is Proctor's investigation of the house

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They do if he has them opinions why investigating the case. If after then fine, but not why investigating ​@davidking6986

Hes transferred

I agree and I also think the FEDS need to find out what car he was driving that night/morning and retrieve the gps data from it

@@ROBINstrawBERRYwine Maybe he took an Uber!

"for not wanting the truth"? u have NO RIGHT to judge what THEY feel IS the truth. just because they don't agree w/u doesn't mean they want to DENY the truth. Go home to your Daddy.

They probably won’t believe anything except what they already believe anyway 😢 - and it’s not out of meanness but what they probably truly think happened.

​@@BoxerClover denial is a strong harbor. It protects ppl when they cannot fathom or process a harsh reality. These ppl didn't attend the funeral. These ppl deleted entire conversations, got rid of a family dog, a house - all just coincidence, right? A small chip in a taillight became dozens of broken pieces. Security camera overseeing the car has a large chunk of time missing. Problematic computer searches. Listen.. the family and cops hate her. Maybe they have some reason. Maybe they feel she was abusive to him. Maybe they feel she set wheels in motion that fast forward, resulted in his death. Whether that's an affair that was found out and caused a fight and an accidental cop on cop death... they then hold HER accountable and so they can justify framing her for it. All these cops... and they're collecting "evidence" in solo cups... the communications showing collusion around "the story".. and their investigation reveals so much reasonable doubt this should NEVER have gone to trial. But that's what hate does. And they're being driven by that hate. At some point... you gotta say... those blinders are purposely on. Sorry these guys are brothers/sons to you, BUT ... if you aren't biased and are truly there on a fact-finding mission to get to thr truth... there's no way you can just ignore the fact some of this stuff is very disturbing.

😂 she doesnt grieve- she smirks and actually laughs at judge.

Totally. I cant imagine the stress she’s been under but she carries it well. Karen is a woman of faith, justice will ultimately prevail.

😅😅😅😂😂💥💥

Feds foun nothing Karen's Guilty

Guilty, her own words.

She’s guilty. The feds found zero conspiracy and nothing was close to be proven in court. They bombed out on all events. They lied. The defence lied. Karen lied.

David would you be willing to have a calm back and forth on this somewhere why do you think that what are your main points?

Maybe on twitter or live stream or something

What does that matter, as far as being face down? He could have rolled over as he was struggling to stay alive maybe?

I don't know what that means

@@shazzasees I'm pretty sure the forensic pathologist stated that the head injury was so significant that John was knocked unconscious & never regained consciousness. If that is the case, he would never have been able to turn over himself. He would have been found in the position he fell and sustained the catastrophic head injury.

That’s irrelevant

@@lianneamington1791no it’s not! Unconscious people CA NOT roll themselves over!!!! ME said that he would have been IMMEDIATELY unconscious with a head injury of that magnitude! The question is why did Jen and Kerry lie and not say they flipped him over when Jen CLEARLY says so on the 911 call ???!!!

I thought it was in my house at first! 😂😂

Literally makes me disregard anything he said even if I agree. Its a sign of an idiot, even if the idiot is correct

Butt dials were just hang ups and let go to answering machine. That's no proof

They not only let down one of their own. They covered it up to protect another one of their own.

Its not their fault that she cant butt dial

@@lisajeter9511 proove it FBI couldn't

@@davidking6986So you’re saying they have closed their case? I don’t think so.

HE KNOWS THAT, HE WAS A PROSECUTOR! HES JUST A CLOWN!

Where is the evidence he entered the house? GPS says he never entered the house. Along with several witnesses

Bingo!!!!

I'm thinking because of shady things not related to this case, possibly.

@@shazzaseesOk well keep thinking

Why wouldnt they hide the dead body rather than leaving it on his own front lawn for public view? Absurd!!

AND renovate the basement AND get rid of the dog

You can't decide what is appropriate behavior when you're in this situation. Put yourself in that same place and you don't know how you might come off.

@@sherrihall700straight face if my life depended on it

@@TrumpDesantis-zm3kg Fair enough but I get the impression that with her strong personality she can't stop herself. That alone doesn't make her a good/bad person

No, bias for the McMorons!

Nah I believe she might’ve wiped it after her call to Daddy round 1.30am. Who knows what she dud between 12.45am - 6.00am in the morning. Lies upon lies were made that very morning by Karen Read.

😂😂😂

6 months after. They had to go to court a 5 months after John dies because it went at a dog and the owner who tried to protect their dog. So maybe get the facts correct. The dog is in a farm house now. It matters little. There is no canine DNA and if you know anything about dogs. They breath DNA their mouths are saturated. Lol. No doggy involved

Exactly!

It was months and months later after it attacked another dog. Defence jumped on this and concocted ANOTHER conspiracy. The only options I share with the defence is that proctor did things with the evidence to ensure her conviction as John was a cop. She did it though, proctor screwed up her getting jail time for it

@@kelliethomson922 they never said anything to the effect of it being months and months later. Prove that!

@@kelliethomson922do you have a dog? Ever been scratched or bitten by one? The marks on his arm were not caused by a taillight! That’s ridiculous

But how can this data be correct? O Keefe's I-Phone indicates that O Keefe did not arrive at 34 Fairview until 12:24. O Keefe/Read did not leave the Waterfall until 12:12. Video evidence was shown of Keefe/Read travelling in Read's SUV at 12:18, still minutes away from 34 Fairview. Jen McCabe's phone records establish that there was a call to O Keefe, answered by O Keefe, at 12:18:47 in which McCabe provided directions to O Keefe. Brian Higgins texted O Keefe at 12:20-'Where you at" At 12:20, O’Keefe’s cellphone location data shows him on Dedham Street. The address of 34 Fairview Road is entered into his Waze navigation app. When they reach Cedarcrest Road, Read, who is driving, goes past Fairview Road, does a three-point turn and turns onto Fairview. O Keefe's phone information established that he never left the front lawn of 34 Fairview. Why is O Keefe going up AND down stairs? The defense indicates that he was either dragged DOWN the stairs to the basement or UP the stairs where he was beaten by someone inside the house. The prosecution made a compelling argument that the Apple Health data was incorrect and that the device misinterpreted O Keefe travelling in Read's car for ascending/descending stairs. I don't know what you are implying about Jen McCabe taking O Keefe's phone. When? Why?

That dog is dead I bet

And he's right.😂

Karen is guilty period

I agree....she admitted it several times, including to her dad and told Kerry on the phone John was dead before going back to his body where she left him.

@@davidking6986 100% Correct get her guilty ass re tried and put her in jail where she belongs. RIP John O'Keefe 🙏

@@sandrah0330there is a big difference between FEARING someone is dead vs being the one who killed him!!!! If my BF was AWOL, I would worry he was dead too! It wasn’t like John to be so irresponsible to leave his adopted kids unattended or to not return her 53 calls

I understand the smirking. She is up against an extremely powerful organization and smirking is a release. She is scared, and must fight this monstrous beast called government. When her team repeatedly gained ground in the courtroom, the smirks are saying, “You’re not getting away with this. We’ve got you.” That said, she should have controlled the urge, lol.

@@rebeccacampbell8020 then humility would be appropriate. no emotion even when officer's clothes were shown.

Karen's still Guilty

They know the truth.

@@davidking6986what makes you think that? You don’t believe the medical examiners, the reconstruction experts, you don’t trust science and physics? Someone with common sense knows that no car could have hit him. He would have had severe injuries all over his body, bruises, fractures. Do you own a dog? These are dog bites and scratches. I didn’t need to watch the whole trial to come to my own conclusion

They already KNOW the truth. You mean... they may never find justice for the person who committed the crime. We shall see...

It was horribly collected in Solo cups. The sally port video submitted was inverted. Missing video evidence! Evidence wasn't logged for weeks. Drunk cops working! This is completely messed up. Experts said he wasn't hit by a car.

It probably won't be the last time evidence is collected in solo cups, actually it is common. Not 1 expert said it wasn't by car. Please stop spewing misinformation.

Agree. You focus on the DNA johns DNA on the inside of the housing of the tail light. That’s huge. Add to that the crazy fast reverse and his phone not moving thereafter. That’s hodge. Especially focus on the tail light housing. It’s a Sealed tail light and a brand new car. His FNA can only get there if it comes into contact when it breaks. That’s the case. Right there.

@@LetFreedomRing-tg1bfexperts with 1/3 of all evidence. Yeah ok.

@@stevenprice6957a hair

Hopefully the feds will keep them from doing that, or, the mayor.

Exactly. 👏

Exactly, no matter how unethical or sleazy.

You are telling a lawyer and former prosecutor about what legal matters mean? Ok hahahaha😅

@@merimasviland8006 It seemed appropriate since they were acting like the burden of proof was on the defense… 🤦‍♂️

Jesus flippin' Christ, of course he KNOWS that, he was a prosecutor for Petes sake! I get what youre saying, but stop it!

Pretty sure they gave the dog away, sis.

@@loveforeignaccentsTo a mystery person at an unknown location they’ve never divulged lol get a clue

No proof of any thing Karen's Guilty😅

@@loveforeignaccentsyeah there’s no proof of this. No one has come forward with the dog. We only have the Albert’s word which frankly means NOTHING!

@@nicolaxoxo1 I would think that would have been disclosed, but I guess no one bothered to do the legwork.

It's disgusting how this trial with Jacko and Yanetti and all manner of psycho social media fans can get away with this. Justice for JOK!

If you believe the people that said that who are knee deep in this

Incorrect. 2 cops did. One was undercover and virtually had to. There’s still data from the phone. What’s it matter. John didn’t move after the crazy reverse. He didn’t go in. It stayed there till John was found and low and behold. The phone is right where he lay. So he didn’t move. I’ll make it simple for you. John’s DNA was inside the housing of the tail light. A drakes tail light. A brand new car. Think about it. It had to be broken with a part of him inside that tail light. It’s very simple.

None of the so called attackers DNA was found on his body.

​@@stevenprice6957no, there was no DNA inside the taillight and no blood anywhere on the car or the broken plastic. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@@stevenprice6957 1. I don't know how your job goes, but in my job, if I have a work phone, or work provided phone, I have to return that after the fact. And the company would do with that phone and data as they see fit. The fact that you think this isn't the case for the fbi, let alone an undercover agent, is insane. 2. Yes, he did move. Actually, he kept moving for a good 10 mins after KR left the area. Even went down 3 stairs. Didn't follow the trial? 3. JO's DNA was not found anywhere near any piece of taillight. Yes, the CW wants you to believe that the taillight smashed and went all ninja star like all over his arm, but not one bit of DNA was found of him on any piece. None. 4. The taillight wasn't broken as much as shown in the trial. There is footage of her tailight, working and with color, when it was put up on the bed of the truck. You either missed half the evidence of conveniently ignored it. Either way, you're wrong.

@@esmeraldawetterwachs8655Faise. John’s DNA is in the housing of the tailight. It was sealed. It can only get in there when broken. It’s a brand new car. That’s common sense. Think about it.

The house was on the market months before. 6 months after the horse was sold so what ? He didn’t go in the house. Watching the trial proved that. So it’s irrelevant

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@@stevenprice6957he did go into the house! Listen to Caitlin Albert testimony. She let it slip. The Albert’s and McCabe text exchanges “tell the cops “the guy” never came into the house. Higgins saying he saw a tall dark man entering the house. All you anti Karen supporters!!!! I can’t fathom how you can’t trust the testimony of the medical examiners from the defense, the accident reconstruction experts. Do you have a dog? Ever been scratched?

Agree. I think he's just a gullible man that u would ask hima question he will respond facts with no malice

100% true. No jury will ever find her guilty

This case would be solved if the Alberts or nearby neigh ors had camera surveillance like in the Troconis case.

Karen's Guilty

@@davidking6986 As long as folks like you focus on KR, the real killers walk.

@@ritaeichler2066the difference is that at least some neighbors were Albert family friends or fellow cops. I would guess the “Asians” (this is how the McAlberts labeled them!) next door tried to stay out of this due to intimidation. People were and are afraid of the Alberts

The only one who seemed to have a camera was the cop who lived across the street, but no worries... he checked his camera himself and there was nothing to see there.. 🙄

100 percent from a dog bite. I’d confidently bet on it. My husband is LE & has identical scarring due to a bite from a ptsd stricken German Shepherd.

No animal dna found on the victim arm ..no dog bites. I can see how with his right arm folded, the impact of her tailight & his shattered glass caused those cuts .😮

@@ritaeichler2066 Only his SHIRT was tested. His arm wasn’t swabbed. Rewatch the testimony before posting nonsense.

No dog DNA found it was sharp edges from the tail light

@@ritaeichler2066THEY NEVER SWABBED THE ARM WOUNDS!! Fact!!! They only did one swab of the SHIRT, not the wounds!!! And it showed PIG DNA, it’s common for large dogs to chew on pig ears as treats. I don’t know why/how this much misinformation about the arm is being spread, watch the testimony again if you don’t understand! Wounds were not swabbed. Multiple EXPERTS testified these were dog bites and scratches. When a dog lunges, it is human instinct to throw up an arm to block the face and neck. The wounds are EXACTLY where they would be in a dog attack, don’t believe me, listen to the experts! Attorney Melanie Little had a great interview with a former police dog trainer who had decades of experience training canines to bite. He explained it very clearly, perhaps better than the expert in the trial who was very knowledgeable and qualified having published research on dog bites…..Garrett was 100% sure it was dog bites

The WHOLE CW is run by corruption..Morrissey is a corrupt DA along with the corrupt HEAD OF POLICE!!!

He was transferred to a department that doesn't do police work, pending the outcome of his hearing. It isn't like they just said "okay, time to work in a different city now."

@@zirconiumdiamond1416 Will see, time will tell

KARENS GUILTY. NO PROOF OF ANYONE BUT KAREN

BA traded in his phone

@@davidking6986 NO PROOF he was hit by a car! No bruises, no broken bones!!! REALLY???