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Examining American McGee's Alice Series (Including Alice: Asylum) 

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Taking a look at American McGee's Alice, Madness Returns, and Alice: Asylum (which EA has passed on).
Since its release in late 2000, there really haven't been many series like American McGee's Alice. Taking the well-known property of Alice in Wonderland and giving it a darker twist, few titles can also compare to it in regards to its themes and delivery.
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It was a 10.5 half-year wait for a sequel, and it's now been 11 years since Madness Returns released, but the series continues to have a devoted following eagerly awaiting the third title - Alice: Asylum.
And even though the big bad wolf EA has the final say on that, putting together this video I have become a bit more hopeful that it may just happen, even if years away.
In this video, we're going to look at not only the first two titles in the series but also what's been put together for the planned third title in the series - Alice: Asylum. Because there is plenty there that's ready to start development should EA give the green light. So with that, let's look at the world of American McGee's Alice.
UPDATE: April 7th 2023: EA decided to pass on the proposal of Alice: Asylum - / end-of-adventure-81049672
Timestamps:
00:00 - Prelude
01:12 - The Making of American McGee's Alice
03:42 - Presentation of American McGee's Alice
06:55 - Gameplay of American McGee's Alice
08:59 - Highlights of American McGee's Alice (Spoilers)
16:22 - Alice: Madness Returns Prelude
18:40 - Presentation of Alice: Madness Returns
21:08 - Gameplay of Madness Returns
25:55 - On the Length of Madness Returns
28:43 - Highlights of Madness Returns (Spoilers)
43:20 - Comparing the Two Titles
44:23 - On Alice: Asylum and the Future of the Series
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@BoulderPunch
@BoulderPunch Год назад
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@QIKUGAMES-QIKU
@QIKUGAMES-QIKU Год назад
Always wanted to play this.. One game I dont know.. / IT TAKES TWO is also the best looking game I've ever seen tbh .. Can you do something on this? Boundary breaks, eggs etc.. 🥚
@oldboy4271
@oldboy4271 Год назад
Thanks for this, subscribed. I absolutely adore these games, the art direction, story and music are magnificent, as I have played through them both this video brings a sense of nostalgia and an urge to play them again. I hope the third game gets made and is fully realized and/or I hope the movie or show is made well and perhaps helps push EA to greenlight the third game. Brilliant exploration here, cheers!
@MonkeyspankO
@MonkeyspankO Год назад
There's just something about these games...a unique vision that I think even the original creators have a tough time replicating. The first one is beyond a classic, its a unique product of the time. The art direction limited to perfection by the technical constraints, as is the game play mechanics, the music, the VO, etc. The second one is good, but its just not a product of its time like the first. Still, an amazing effort, fun to play and look at. I think we should appreciate these games and forget about sequels. That time has long passed. We need new American McGee's, who turn their tortured souls into art.
@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers
@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers Год назад
Boycott EA.
@wakeshimutanemahazunakunam819
@wakeshimutanemahazunakunam819 11 месяцев назад
A loss for ea. Seems like they saving money for fifa41 idk lol Such a shame they still got the rights of the game. Who would've thought they'd become so corrupt. Poor McgEe, he put all heart in this and now even left the industry
@Sleepgarden
@Sleepgarden Год назад
Imagine having a huge design doc for Alice Asylum and EA just says "no" and you can't have the rights
@NovaDraconis
@NovaDraconis 11 месяцев назад
I really hope the devs will find a better company willing to fund Asylum… but after American’s statement, I am afraid we won’t be seeing this game anymore…
@YumeYuugure
@YumeYuugure 10 месяцев назад
​@@NovaDraconisAmerican did say that its all up to EA and that even if they greenlight the game that he doesnt want to really work on it anymore. EA has sucked all the Passion American had for this franchise. its so sad.
@finnrogue9435
@finnrogue9435 10 месяцев назад
@@NovaDraconis EA will still have the copyright so it's not gonna happen
@georgiepig5726
@georgiepig5726 10 месяцев назад
@@finnrogue9435 EA really just need to piss off and let go of the copyright for the alice games
@livingcorpse5664
@livingcorpse5664 9 месяцев назад
@@YumeYuugure Sadly I can relate to the whole ungrateful bastards sucking the passion out of you thing. I hope American McGee has moved on to something he still enjoys and EA just dies off as a company.
@madpie7245
@madpie7245 Год назад
And EA just turned Alice: Asylum down and refused to give Mcgee the rights... I'm gonna cry
@yukowolfang8645
@yukowolfang8645 Год назад
EA is Dr. Bumby.
@rc.czarii
@rc.czarii Год назад
​​​@@yukowolfang8645 so true.. and alice asylum is literally lizzie while mcgee and us fans are a bunch of traumatized alice! Things are almost becoming real.. yikes.
@simonreseigh6778
@simonreseigh6778 8 месяцев назад
Most EA shit ever
@TheArtisticMafia12
@TheArtisticMafia12 7 месяцев назад
Like I Said someone either needs To Hack Ea And start Destroying things or Somehow ea Starts failing and Goes under, or They give the right to someone who will care but it won't be how American mcgee wanted alice, and he's done with it so
@HerrHoppenstedt
@HerrHoppenstedt 6 месяцев назад
For us players, ea is "merely" a destroyer of games. As bad that is, it's just a game. But they ruined many people's livelihood. Ea is scum. They are disgusting people and i honestly wish them all the misfortune possible. -not the poor schmucks that actually work there. Talking about the bigwigs.
@RockorSomething83
@RockorSomething83 Год назад
Shame this series has once again entered Development Hell. I remember following Madness Returns when it was first announced and constantly searching for new info on it. When it was finally released, I remember playing the game nonstop till it was 100%ed achievement wise.
@theSemiChrist
@theSemiChrist Год назад
I wish I was rich specifically to finance beloved IPs lol
@Kooma4Yew1600
@Kooma4Yew1600 Год назад
Did? I had been following it on Instagram for a while 😤
@euthanizemyself6972
@euthanizemyself6972 Год назад
Dude I had the same experience as a young teen!! The excitement and escapism I felt playing the game was so good. As good as the hype & wait for Lollipop Chainsaw!! the PS3, god bless. My girlfriend's and I would play dragons crown, resident evil 6, Lollipop Chainsaw all night!!!! Some of the happiest memories
@eba56
@eba56 Год назад
Yeah sigh....
@wiktorshowtime8242
@wiktorshowtime8242 Год назад
Yeah sigh....
@Kaylakaze
@Kaylakaze Год назад
One thing I never hear anyone discuss, and it could just be my interpretetation, but it's with how distorted everyone in the "real world" looks while Alice is normal looking, maybe even somewhat idealized. My theory is that the people don't actually look that way, but we're seeing them through Alice's eyes and that's how she sees them.
@rumpunch8268
@rumpunch8268 Год назад
I think the character art in cutscenes are inspired from the original illustrations from the books.
@crazyworldcreativepassions7754
OMG I THOUGHT SO TOO I like to think It’s because she puts a child like emphasis on what their really like…the old woman has big ears because Alice believes and knows she likes to be nosy and listen into conversations she shouldn’t be, big glasses to indicate she sees everything and because of that uses that information as a means of manipulating people, like what she did to Alice…the dr at first seems most human looking, tho from what he wears and the colouring, even how he speaks to Alice…you can tell that she knows theirs something not quite right about him, but can’t quite understand what, she brings it down to him being rather cold and distant in his questions…hence the dark and muted out colours his character uses…
@thesupervisor4515
@thesupervisor4515 Год назад
i think this was alluded to in the 2nd entry in the series. Such as the good doctor almost being a recreation of his real world self, but slightly twisted. as the evil breaks forth and he transforms as he would have in allice's eyes (due to the abuse) it basically showing her own vision of how he went from a nice person to revealing his true dark side.
@XXXXX8
@XXXXX8 Год назад
It's super obvious, actually.
@danieldonovan106
@danieldonovan106 Год назад
It's also obvious if you look at her family portraits. Her parents and Lizzy look relatively normal, just like Alice, whereas everyone else looks exaggerated and borderline grotesque
@oneesan9298
@oneesan9298 Год назад
I've always found it funny how the train which was destroying Wonderland ended up being the train that ran over Bumby. As if Alice's Wonderland worked as a time vortex.
@abadgurl2010
@abadgurl2010 Год назад
More like once Alice realizes that the doctor is the real villain and that she's truly innocent she no longer has a subconscious desire to destroy Wonderland and herself, the target shifts. So the train responds accordingly.
@midnashadow8439
@midnashadow8439 Год назад
@@abadgurl2010 yoooo wait! That actually makes a lot of sense!
@nemoralia
@nemoralia Год назад
i always thought it manifested in her head as a train because the first ever subway station was about to be implemented in england at the time, so much like Bumby's "therapy" it was something foreign to her world and therefore terrifying
@tortis6342
@tortis6342 Год назад
fitting, as in Carroll's original books, time and the warping of time was a big theme, from the White Rabbit and his pocket watch, to the Mad Tea Party, where the Mad Hatter is stuck forever at tea time as a punishment from the personification of time, to the White Queen, who experiences time backwards, the caucus race where everyone starts and ends running whenever they like, until someone eventually calls an end to it. Then there is the train in Through The Looking Glass, where Alice is instructed not to keep the ticket guard waiting as, "his time is worth a thousand pounds a minute." Probably not intentional, but an interesting connection none the less.
@malicetoaster1557
@malicetoaster1557 Год назад
"Alright Edgar, not drop a train on 'em"
@sandroiori4401
@sandroiori4401 Год назад
I believe the lack of bosses in Alice madness returns is a great story telling choice. When she is in danger, be it psychological with the old nurse in the begining, or physical with her maid, she seek refuge in wonderland despite its state and the opposite is true. When she is in danger psychologicaly with the bombyx or physicaly with the white rabbit or even the walrus she snaps back to reality. Its only at the end that she faces her fear and danger head on and thats also why i believe what happens agiter the boss fight to be true in some way shape or form.
@LadyBern
@LadyBern Год назад
If it weren't for them saying it was due to time I'd say the lack of boss fights works is because she's not fighting herself anymore as with the first game. Though that doesn't quiet explain why she may face enemies outside of the corruption other than a possible mental defense mechanism. Still she's not fighting herself in the same way as the first game, she's fighting the corruption.
@alexandersmith4731
@alexandersmith4731 Год назад
It doesn't have a boss because it was rushed by the pressure of EA, there's no other reasons for it
@ma.2089
@ma.2089 Год назад
@@LadyBern it’s one of those accidental artistic choices. A lot of really cool things have mostly come about due to mistakes or other issues (in which they have to innovate to solve the problem). Here it seems to have worked out for them.
@Dovah_Slayer
@Dovah_Slayer Год назад
@@ma.2089 I agree
@LadyBern
@LadyBern Год назад
@@ma.2089 Now I'm wondering if it falls under accidental artistic choice, or an artistic choice born from desperation breeding creativity.
@smugplush
@smugplush Год назад
I'll always remember Madness Returns for the new dresses Alice wore during every chapter to show progression in a way aswell as nice style and her hair physics blowing around in the wind, when jumping etc it looks awesome and i never seen a game do it again so it feels unique. I always wanted to play American McGee's Alice but getting a legit copy nowadays is almost impossible which is sad since any game on the Quake Engine always catches my interest and i've noticed it looks/plays very similar to Heretic II which i wonder if that game was an inspiration too atleast in gameplay. Great video as always!
@davidcardona9243
@davidcardona9243 Год назад
Kingdom hearts does it too
@crossdaboss8914
@crossdaboss8914 Год назад
So does gravity rush as well
@koseorhun
@koseorhun Год назад
Although not the same, Prince of Persia did that too. It was cool.
@hanacodaiko
@hanacodaiko Год назад
Madness Returns had the full first game available through the main menu
@GothaRockaStardust
@GothaRockaStardust Год назад
Madness Returns is on Xbox Game Pass, and that version includes Alice. It makes it a lot easier to get hold of
@kylespevak6781
@kylespevak6781 Год назад
3:45 Art direction beats realism every time. Realism looks bad after a few years, art direction always looks good
@lizardfishbird
@lizardfishbird Год назад
For real. The original Psychonauts still looks great 18 years later
@wildmaknae_
@wildmaknae_ 11 месяцев назад
Ikr! Another example could be Borderlands
@gwennorthcutt421
@gwennorthcutt421 10 месяцев назад
@@lizardfishbird funny, i was also thinking of psychonauts! like as gorgeous as the sequel is, it really is just an update on the same funky srtyle (or as my wife and i chant every time we replay, "freaks freaks freaks freaks"). those muppets convey an idea no matter the poly count, and keeping a cartoony movement just reinforces teh style, not date it
@karenamyx2205
@karenamyx2205 7 месяцев назад
Yeah thats true. The "realism" games always seem fantastic at launch, but technology progresses so fast, in 2 years it looks old. And uncanny. Its main draw is a con now. Meanwhile, ill still play ocarina of time and think it looks great despite being literal blobby polygons, just because artistically it looks "hyrule" to me.
@gwennorthcutt421
@gwennorthcutt421 7 месяцев назад
@@karenamyx2205 ironically, that was what "realism" was with technology at the time. i remember being 8 and playing the game and being amazed at having fully articulated models with, gasp, expressions! its very limitations become iconic now, fueled by nostalgia. silent hill also had realism (albeit meant to be uncanny) that got outpaced, but because of that uniqueness and the quality of the games, everyone remembers it fondly as just another idiosyncratic part of the game. in time, the limitations become recognizable and part of the nostalgia, like how analog horror leans into vcr fuzz and artifacting.
@agbrenv
@agbrenv Год назад
seems like this game/franchise is getting rerecognised in the recent 1,5 years since a lot of RU-vidrs have covered it recently
@psychodrummer1567
@psychodrummer1567 Год назад
Mostly because there are no more original single-player IPs from big publishers, especially EA.
@LudusAurea
@LudusAurea Год назад
@@psychodrummer1567 Sad but true. I myself installed it, finally, after having this game for like 10 years, when I saw one of my friends play it.
@voidnoidoid
@voidnoidoid Год назад
As it should be! It’s been one of my favourite game franchises for like 8 years
@semekiizuio
@semekiizuio Год назад
MGS has also been recognized these past few months! I am happy and glad these games get the recognition they deserve.
@BlueBD
@BlueBD Год назад
@@LudusAurea I just replayed it recently, Its truely a wondergame franchise. would be the 6th time i beat it
@KirstenMarie_MS3
@KirstenMarie_MS3 Год назад
Minor nitpick (not all that important) Alice is catatonic in the first place, not comatose. Coma, vegetative states, and minimally conscious state and confusional state have a physical, underlying, cause. Coma patients are completely unconscious as the result of either TBI or prolonged hypoxia. Same for the other altered states of consciousness mentioned. The defining feature of catatonia is psychological. When we see Alice in her bed at the asylum, she appears to be in a stupor.
@stellviahohenheim
@stellviahohenheim Год назад
Well she can totally stupor deez NUTS
@matthiasjagdm3949
@matthiasjagdm3949 Год назад
That is not really a nit pick, it was an error on the video creator's side , and i am so happy someone else noticed it since, I hadn't noticed the error so thank you for educating us and the video creator
@dandy-dani
@dandy-dani Год назад
@@matthiasjagdm3949 it was in the book and wiki as well, I remember they had a pamphlet too for the first game if I'm not mistaken?
@Homodemon
@Homodemon Год назад
Yeah, they explicitly describe it as a catatonic state
@jobdylan5782
@jobdylan5782 Год назад
okay dork
@bleumoon__
@bleumoon__ Год назад
Madness returns was THE very first single player game I ever played. It definitely sparked my love for video games. I will forever cherish it
@semekiizuio
@semekiizuio Год назад
Same! If not a bit different. I returned to gaming buying xbox360 and playing this with FF13! My last console before this was a gamecube and that was like 10 years ago before I got the 360
@aesiro1336
@aesiro1336 Год назад
Mine was Pokemon Sapphire.
@emilyashley8884
@emilyashley8884 Год назад
Me too. Saw it on a sale rack and bought it. Ever since, it's been my favorite game.
@sweethistortea
@sweethistortea 2 месяца назад
Mine was Tinkerbell for the DS. 🤣
@aries_chaos
@aries_chaos Год назад
I must share a story/moment from one of my first playthroughs of Alice Madness... My parents often went on holiday together once my older brother and I were well into our teens and could take care of ourselves. When this happened, my brother's PS3 would migrate to the living room and we'd get to play our favourite games on the bigger TV. I was playing through Deluded Depths when my brother got home from college and sat down to watch, letting me play a big longer while he had something to eat and refuelled for a night on Call of Duty or God of War.. He watched me wander through the little town centre of fish after the Walrus and Carpenter had been through, the whole gory scene, watched me shrink and unshrink, crawl through keyholes in shells, fight ghosts.... then we came to one of the cannon crab fights, and said crab walks straight forward, ready to smack Alice, and my brother sits straight up and says "whoa whoa whoa wait - **crabs can't walk forwards**!" Nothing about the cannon replacing one claw and the cigar held in the other, no. Not a peep about the clothed fish walking on fins under the sea, or for that matter the young woman walking along the sea floor and having no issue breathing, fighting, speaking...No no... On the realism font, my brother draws the line at crabs walking forwards.
@abadgurl2010
@abadgurl2010 Год назад
Wonderland is in Alice's mind, it doesn't need to be realistic.
@mophead_xu
@mophead_xu Год назад
your brother knew his priorities lol.
@aries_chaos
@aries_chaos Год назад
@@abadgurl2010 It would have been!! I probably would have thought of that if I hadn't been laughing as much haha!
@BeautifulStrangeMyst
@BeautifulStrangeMyst Год назад
That's adorable!! :D
@sakurasensations4786
@sakurasensations4786 Год назад
Well I guess that’s kind of how some people’s minds work-including mine-funnily enough. Like we already know it’s not reality, and we won’t question fantastical things happening; it’s just when the most normal part of something doesn’t do what it’s supposed to. That’s when we get confused. Let me explain the thought process… The crab has a cannon for an arm and is holding a cigar. Okay, he’s a cartoon. He can do what he wants. It’s wonderland, you know? But he has regular crab legs. If he’s going to walk like a person, why would he have crab legs, when they’re already predisposed to walking sideways in the first place. In summary: What is the point of it being a normal part of him if it isn’t going to function normally? I don’t know how much thought goes into the movement and behaviors of every single character in video games, but maybe it’s like that just to confuse us. Literally to subvert that expectation: He has the crazy cannon thing and he holds a cigar because it’s a fantasy land where things are weird-cool. But his legs are normal, so that would indicate that they’d function normally. But they don’t. Why? Because it’s wonderland. Wonderland knows no such thing as normal.
@whocares8269
@whocares8269 Год назад
McGee Alice as a show? That sounds lovely and could potentialy spark interest for the new game to broader public
@joshuakeely5593
@joshuakeely5593 Год назад
There is Alice other worlds you may like. They are mini episodes starring Alice with the original voice actors
@VideoGuy232
@VideoGuy232 Год назад
These games aren’t known for their compelling stories, their appeal is in their art direction. It would take a talented writer to breathe life into something like that, especially since the fantasy adventure genre has declined in popularity over the years.
@joshuakeely5593
@joshuakeely5593 Год назад
@@VideoGuy232 No they are cult classics people love both the story and graphics it's like a gothic twisted Alice in wonderland.
@VideoGuy232
@VideoGuy232 Год назад
@@joshuakeely5593 Didn’t need an explanation, I know what the games are. There is very little story in either games. In the original Alice, following the fire, she’s committed to an asylum and becomes trapped in Wonderland. From there she just runs from place to place trying to locate the next Mcguffin to take her to the next stage. In MR she does the same looking for her lost memories, and there’s a child trafficking subplot which feels totally out of place, bordering on exploitative tbh. Neither are meaty enough to craft a series around
@blinkowarner3117
@blinkowarner3117 Год назад
That's a very watered down description and you are beyond stupid.
@midnashadow8439
@midnashadow8439 Год назад
So here is my long lasting question. At the end of madness return when Alice pushed Bumby into the tracks, did he see a glimpse of wonderland? Cause he was shocked when Alice turned around, it was Alice from wonderland, so I’d like to believe that he himself was a bit mad and was given that dark glimpse of Wonderland before his death
@ravenvalentine9823
@ravenvalentine9823 Год назад
This is up to personal interpretation but I think it's more like for the first time he saw Alice as confident as she is in Wonderland. In Wonderland, Alice is an extremely competent fighter, able to wield all sorts of fantastical weapons, and fight all sorts of fantastical beasts without breaking a sweat (in fantastic outfits too). She's confident in herself and in the end, in control. In the real world, Alice is a small meek and broken woman who for years he's been controlling and puppetting. He's seen time and time again she'd turn the other cheek or just escape into her own mind when put into a situation she doesn't want to be in. So for a split second before the tracks the *real* Alice comes out, the confident capable woman, and he is caught off guard. Alice herself puts on the "garb" of Wonderland so she feels as confident as she does there, like when you steel yourself for a hard task, you take a deep breath and put on your 'brave' face. You unleash that inner strength. I actually like your interpretation as well, the combination of metaphor and reality fits quite nicely within the narrative of the series.
@midnashadow8439
@midnashadow8439 Год назад
@@ravenvalentine9823 Cause my thinking was “everyone who is mad has their own little version of wonderland” so I believed that Bumby managed to catch a glimpse at this twisted Wondwrland Alice had saved prior to their confrontation. I also like to think that it was the moment where the doll maker and Bumby merged together and met their end at the hands of Alice, heck! I still believe that the train she pushed him onto is the same train that caused havoc in her little wonderland, the train that once caused pain, was now helping her heal by eliminating that which made her mind and wonderland corrupted
@ravenvalentine9823
@ravenvalentine9823 Год назад
@@midnashadow8439 It is confirmed by American McGee that everyone does have a Wonderland! In Otherlands and maybe Asylum (we can only hope) she's gained the ability to swap between reality and Wonderland at will and enter others' as well. That's what I love about this series so much, all of it's story telling works on every level! I agree about the train! They say in the game that Alice made the train, the dollmaker just took it over, so I think the train was a representation of change and Alice's drive to get better. Alice and the Cat talk about how change is not inherently good or bad, and even them repeatedly stating it will destroy Wonderland can harken back to the Queen of Hearts saying by killing her it will destroy Alice. I think it also goes back to the tarot card roots of the beta, Death in tarot isn't actually Death, it's just *change*. By regaining control of her train she finally was able to start healing again! And to give that bastard Bumby what was coming to him. In the end, the train did shatter Wonderland but it was for the better.
@LadyDoomsinger
@LadyDoomsinger Год назад
My interpretation is that the dresses have consistently been shown to reflect Alice's state of mind; the Steamdress, with it's buckles, straps, and corset, represents her restrictive and repressed life with Bumby; the Siren Dress with all it's colors, represents her denial and attempt to distract herself from the truth; the Doll dress represents her recognition of being objectified and used as a doll, etc. With that in mind, it's not far fetched to assume that the sudden shift to her "wonderland appearance" in her confrontation with Bumby simply represents her own confidence and empowerment, as she finds the resolve to end his evil for good. I think Bumby's reaction, was to the look on her face; the resolve and determination to end him. He recognized that he couldn't control her anymore, and that scared him. Likewise the ending, in which London and Wonderland merges together, I think, represents the reconciliation inside Alice's mind - she is no longer conflicted about the real world or hiding in Wonderland, she embraces both as she is at peace with herself, finally. I don't think that implies that anyone else would see London like that. Moreover, it has been pretty consistent throughout both games, that Wonderland exists entirely in Alice's own mind, and is a reflection of her own mind - it would be a pretty strange 180 to suddenly have Wonderland be something more "real" than her own imagination.
@neku1080
@neku1080 11 месяцев назад
I think it was more to say that Alice is finally as sure of herself in the real world as she is in Wonderland. For everyone else, she's suddenly changed, but for Alice, her two worlds have become one and now she knows what she has to do to end the cycle; stand up to those who exploit her. Bumbey was just one person who hurt her, but almost everyone else in the game took advantage of her in some way. So, she's probably just more confident to confront her enemies now
@death4metal201
@death4metal201 8 месяцев назад
I can't believe American Mcgee made a better gothic Alice in Wonderland than Tim Burton
@Grim_Sister
@Grim_Sister 6 месяцев назад
I can 😂
@moonimarc
@moonimarc 5 месяцев назад
anything can be better then Tim Burton's Alice
@DanielMartinez-sm5kc
@DanielMartinez-sm5kc Месяц назад
Tim Burton's properties are overrated. Edward Scissorhands was the only good thing he made. And maybe Batman.
@user-qf3hx6gr6e
@user-qf3hx6gr6e Месяц назад
I liked it- it was really fun
@vegetarblessb
@vegetarblessb Месяц назад
​@@DanielMartinez-sm5kc The original frankenweenie is a great first film tbh, nightmare before Christmas has the Rick and Morty fan deal but it's honestly a great family movie. Alright I think that's it🤣
@nukaberry447
@nukaberry447 Год назад
The dollhouse chapter is my favorite chapter. The music, the dress, everything
@o.siouxsie
@o.siouxsie Год назад
Same. It's the peak of MR for me.
@wiktorshowtime8242
@wiktorshowtime8242 Год назад
Same. It's the peak of MR for me.
@jeffdinvell
@jeffdinvell Год назад
That song is stuck in my head to his day
@ifeellikeastar9052
@ifeellikeastar9052 Год назад
That chapter is the creepiest imo
@Zipperskull_
@Zipperskull_ Год назад
Same :3
@NoahGooder
@NoahGooder Год назад
I can confirm the 2nd game probably had the most forgiving and controllable platforming Ive ever experienced in a game.
@pillboys
@pillboys Год назад
so would you say that someone who's bad at platformers could probably get through it? asking for a friend
@radiocorrective
@radiocorrective Год назад
@@pillboys Just do it!! It's well worth it!!!
@Peridot420
@Peridot420 Год назад
@@pillboys yes, definitely! I was horrible at platformers when I first started, but I’ve been able to finish the game twice now and I’m so much better at it.
@bismarckluna
@bismarckluna 14 дней назад
While I appreciate the smoothness of the platforming, I actually found it a bit too unchallenging. Double jumping already gives you at lot of leeway for mistakes, but 3 jumps (4 if you glitch) + floating... just makes it a breeze and the game doesn't compensate enough for it. Also, when you fall on pits the respawn point is very close, so you don't really fear falling at all. While the first game was janky as hell it actually made feel a bit tense when I was jumping around since I had to really think about what I was doing. Not saying the first one has better platforming, on the contrary: the sequel does it much better. But I think they could have removed the triple jump and increased the challenge a bit.
@boycub
@boycub Год назад
oh man. memories. i was obsessed with madness returns all through my highschool years. playing it was cathartic for my unmedicated mental illness and adhd ridden mind. The macabre twist on a classic story, the grotesque art style and story. the beautiful weapons and outfit design. I was hooked from age 12 to 16 playing once or twice a year ! Years later i met my older neighbour who had a similar experience with the first game through his highschool and young adult life. We were good friends and i miss him dearly ! He passed away of brain cancer in 2021. He gave me his alice and cheshire cat figures which i keep by my desk and look upon dearly. This game has always meant a lot to me and it means more now than ever. Im so glad to see American pushing against the odds to get eyes on his game and i hope i get to play it someday for me AND my friend.
@boycub
@boycub Год назад
@Scott's Precious Little Account huh ?
@v4rr0lot3k6
@v4rr0lot3k6 Год назад
These are both great games. It would be really nice if we see a third title in the future, but the current state of the gaming market makes it seem like a pipe dream.
@emnstuff
@emnstuff Год назад
I really hope more youtubers talk about it and get their patreon more traction. I so want this game. 😭
@sillkthashocker
@sillkthashocker Год назад
Idk, we've seen a new Postal, Pschyonauts 2, Bubsy, Crash Bandicoot 4, you never know.
@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers
@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers Год назад
You called it.
@VegaManX4
@VegaManX4 Год назад
What, not a word on how beautifully amazing that hair physics was in Madness Returns?!?
@MrPwner911
@MrPwner911 Год назад
One quick bit of info regarding American McGee's Alice: there's currently no way to get it on its own digitally* (you were able to on Humble through the complete edition but that's no longer available) and chances are that the physical copies will be expensive depending on where you go. *You may have to resort to grey market to get it, or sail the seven seas.
@troy6031
@troy6031 Год назад
Pretty sure if you buy madness returns on Xbox you get the original game bundled with it so there’s that but I have no idea if that’s still a thing
@lewisaino
@lewisaino Год назад
@@troy6031 The DLC for Madness Returns (when Madness came out) had Alice 1 available
@Dongulator
@Dongulator Год назад
@@troy6031 It's a free DLC for Madness Returns, and Madness returns is included in EA Play, which is included in Game Pass. So if you've got Game Pass, you can play both without paying extra. Provided you have an Xbox 360/One/Series S/X to play it.
@MangoSmoothy
@MangoSmoothy Год назад
I have it digital on psn, it was a code in the day one version i believe
@MrPwner911
@MrPwner911 Год назад
@@MangoSmoothy afaik (and like some people mentioned) Alice 1 can be purchased on Xbox 360 and PSN for the time being. The initial is regarding the PC version.
@StandTallTx
@StandTallTx Год назад
American McGee's: Alice still has some of my favorite level designs of all time especially in the latter parts of the game. I'll never forget running to the end of a long hallway only to come to a dead end, turn around, and EVERYTHING had changed completely to a different room. No cut scenes or loading - it all happened in real time. Absolutely amazing and I have no idea why this isn't done more.
@_TIO
@_TIO Год назад
I started with Alice Madness Returns and the thing for me was the art and music. The art got me into making my own character, combining horror and cute things and it really got me into being creative. But my gods, the music. I listen to it every few months and just feel entranced. It sends me back to when I was a young kid, thinking the cover art looked cool and then being blown away from the game. I hope one day we see another Alice game with iconic art and music again, I just hope EA doesn't take a shit on it.
@MirrorOfEmotions
@MirrorOfEmotions Год назад
You say it! The intro/menu music is just badass! My favourite "chapter" is the steam-world of the wonderland though. God damn, I liked her in this black gothic outfit. It looked so pretty cool! ❤️ My favourite weapon was the pepper gun. :D
@Everyonefoockooff
@Everyonefoockooff 7 месяцев назад
Yes!! As an artist songwriter this game is my huge inspiration. And as a sensitive person I find comfort in music from "vale of tears" it's just perfect.
@_TIO
@_TIO 7 месяцев назад
@@Everyonefoockooff honestly this game just keeps bringing me back I adore it
@whotio7374
@whotio7374 Год назад
I had a teacher in High School who worked on American Mcgee's Alice. He had his original drawing of what eventually became the box art hung up in his classroom.
@NotMorganFreeman.
@NotMorganFreeman. Месяц назад
This is amazing.
@agbrenv
@agbrenv Год назад
I'll be honest, I completely disagree with anyone saying the game is too long I think it's varied to enough to justify the length, for me it never felt that it outstayed its welcome and that's coming from someone who completed it in 16 hours when I first played it and around 13 hours on my second playthrough last year
@87GNX
@87GNX 6 месяцев назад
Imagine EA actually doing something that the fans want. That'll be the first.
@Erlynbebe
@Erlynbebe 4 месяца назад
Seeing this now after knowing EA rejected Asylum but somewhat greenlit a possible different Alice game as well as American leaving the franchise entirely is heartbreaking...
@elnicolas123
@elnicolas123 Год назад
Ahhh, how I miss this franchise. American McGee’s definitely an acquired taste, but these games have a way of drawing you in. Fantastic content as always, Boulder!
@BeanieGoth
@BeanieGoth Год назад
the first game will always be nostalgic for me. i remember being little and playing alongside my mom, the two of us trying to figure out the platforming puzzles and defeating the jabberwock. we also found out about the godmode command, which made little me (who couldn't play combat games to save her life) love the game even more. now, going into junior year of high school, i found a download online to replace the physical copy we still have (it won't work with my laptop), and i couldn't be happier. it's so nice to see more people giving this lovely series attention even in 2022.
@wolf1nsoul
@wolf1nsoul Год назад
Madness Returns is one of my favorite 360 games ever, despite it's flaws! And the Alice franchise in general is just really criminally underrated, so thank you for making a retrospective on them Punch❤️
@MareCat31
@MareCat31 Год назад
Ok,speaking of American McGee, he has a line of plushies whose designs are based around different mental disorders. They are called Plushie Dreadfuls and they really are quite cute. Not like excessively cute but still cute.
@thealice7314
@thealice7314 6 месяцев назад
Oh my I didn't know he designed those! He also makes them based off of physical illnesses. A recent release was the Ehlers-Danlos syndrome plush which i love as I have eds. Made me feel seen with my syndrome
@pink_sky_morning4842
@pink_sky_morning4842 3 месяца назад
I just had a look at them, they are so beautiful! I would really like to get one for myself one of these days.
@honda-akari
@honda-akari 3 месяца назад
He sadly also makes ones for the gender crowd.
@grimreaper78945
@grimreaper78945 3 месяца назад
@@honda-akari cry about it transphobe
@TheFirstCurse1
@TheFirstCurse1 2 месяца назад
After reading this comment I checked them out and they're adorable. I want to get the depression Bunny so bad.
@wakeshimutanemahazunakunam819
@wakeshimutanemahazunakunam819 11 месяцев назад
EA fucked up. This game is my childhood, I was so hyped for the third lart. McGee had supporters, ideas and everything. This is such a shame....
@TheHookBoy
@TheHookBoy 4 месяца назад
Madness Returns is one of my favorite games and it sucks that Asylum was canceled. Hell, I put around a grand into his Patreon, but the excitement I received as I saw the updates was worth it.
@MsLovelyGuru
@MsLovelyGuru Год назад
WOAH MEMORY UNLOCKED. I remember being obsessed with just the pure aesthetic of this game years ago as a pre-teen. Thank you for sharing this! This game truly is a seventh wonder of games.
@goromajima2067
@goromajima2067 8 месяцев назад
i was so sad to find out that asylum was cancelled :(
@ninab.4540
@ninab.4540 2 месяца назад
Only animation can save the franchise at this point.
@goromajima2067
@goromajima2067 2 месяца назад
@@ninab.4540 Well considering American Mcgee stepped away from it I dont think we'll be seeing Alice for a very very long time
@lanetorty7529
@lanetorty7529 Год назад
as much as i want to play Alice Assylum, but I fear it coming out. i fear that it will be so horridly heavy-handed by EA's money-grubbing schemes that it will damage the game, I fear that it has grown too ambitious or awaited that it won't be able to deliver. i fear, that if it comes out, that it may tarnish the name for a new generation and possibly, for decades to come. these games are absolute master pieces, and its been so long that I fear what may come
@Sweettormentt
@Sweettormentt Год назад
I agree 100%, so many new games are focused on the "battlepass" theme, if a game doesnt start off with it and ends up adding it later on it really ruins the game! Alice doesnt seem like the type of game to even have a battle pass so I dunno how they will be able to integrate that into a storymode game 😥
@alexandersmith4731
@alexandersmith4731 Год назад
It has already been tarnished in Madness, look at the beta version and tell me EA isn't responsible for the game having repetitive mini games and platforms to the point they allow the players to skip it
@Everik-ct6pg
@Everik-ct6pg Год назад
@@alexandersmith4731 they tarnished the name the second a sequel was proposed. I genuinely believe that a sequel to the first game would've always been objectively bad simply because they NEED to have Alice Relapse in order to tell a story, which means the entirety of the first game was pointless. Madness Returns should've been a prequel.
@alexandersmith4731
@alexandersmith4731 Год назад
@@Everik-ct6pg I wouldn't say it's totally pointless, I mean victims do relapse, for the case of Alice it was the cause of someone who manipulated her, who knows what we could have learnt more in the Beta version ideas (I only know Alice was meant to kill Pris accidentally)
@Illumiloni
@Illumiloni Год назад
something i noticed while watching the video, I think alice's world became a bit more realistic as she grows older. Theres more focus on worker exploitation in hatters domain and deluded depths, more insight on other cultures in oriental grove that she learned about through the former lawyer. I LOVE how they included bits of London within her wonderland as Alice becomes more aware of her surroundings as she ages. A super cool narrative detail imo!
@stephenlee1108
@stephenlee1108 11 месяцев назад
Considering the cult following the Alice games have, it's really unfortunate EA couldn't (or wouldn't) go through with the third game. Even so considering how much work American McGee and his team has put into the vision of what the third game would've been.
@__idfk__
@__idfk__ 6 месяцев назад
10:45 Seeing Alice act all polite and proper as a demon is funny to me
@cybersoldi3r
@cybersoldi3r Год назад
I would love to see a remake of the first game, to see its full potential, and more in line of return of madness. Either way I hope the 3rd game comes out soon
@IchibanOjousama
@IchibanOjousama Год назад
Nope, the other way around
@cult_of_odin
@cult_of_odin 7 месяцев назад
EA are a cancer on gaming and they own the IP
@Sea_witch_
@Sea_witch_ Год назад
Madness Returns was such a turning point in my life, not even kidding. When it came out I was going through bad times, I seeked to "escape" my own reality and did so in bad ways, eventually I made it out so to speak. This game felt like walking through my own healing, as I was learning to be stronger and know myself to grow, so was the story growing in me and "helping" me, in a way, to do so, from my own traumas. Eventually I even got to dress up as Alice (blue dress and striped socks) and looked just like her lol, I was so proud of that moment. What a complex game, what a beautiful approach to the story, who better than a twisted mind with great taste in everything to do so! So glad you talked about it, brought it back for so many of us 💙
@rodneyabrett
@rodneyabrett Год назад
I remember buying the first game at my local Electronic Boutique for the PC and I knew nothing about it but the box art looked cool. It blew me away. Loved it.
@chasetruman8676
@chasetruman8676 Год назад
Wtf is an electronic boutique
@rodneyabrett
@rodneyabrett Год назад
@@chasetruman8676 It was one of the competitor retail stores to GameStop. For awhile, the big video games stores widdled down to only two. GameStop and Electronics Boutique(later rebranded to EB Games). I remember making a bet with my brother which one would be the winner in the end and my money was on EB. I lost, obviously.
@nukaberry447
@nukaberry447 Год назад
Madness returns was the only game I played back when we were really poor and all I had was a passed down 360. It's one of my favorite games I loved everything about it
@collette3428
@collette3428 Год назад
I suppose I'm an outlier but I feel Madness Returns to be the much better game. Alice 1 is fine but it's not too enjoyable imo
@TheHalloweenSpirit
@TheHalloweenSpirit Год назад
I think American McGee's Alice have better story while Madness Returns have better gameplay
@popump2617
@popump2617 Год назад
Totally agree, while Madness Returns story is good I think the first game has a better story. But Madness Returns has the better gameplay imo
@IsabelCarlota
@IsabelCarlota Год назад
It's the same for me too. While I don't have the qualifications to state which game is better objectively, I'll replay Madness Returns any day fully, while I wouldn't do the same for Alice 1. I think that's because I grew up with platformers and not old shooter games, maybe?
@hanshecker9075
@hanshecker9075 Год назад
I honestly never understood what all that "First one's story is better" chitchat. How? The AMA's story was "Alice's family died in a fire, so she suffers survivor's guilt, you completed the game? Nice, she doesn't have survivor's guilt anymore" And that's it. Even the only retcon (Lizzie) is easy to explain. Why does she only have a photo of her parents? Not every photo will contain the entire family. Why didn't she remember Lizzie screaming but only her parents screaming? Lizzie *didn't* scream during the fire, during the fire she was already dead! In the second one we have a lot more intrinsicate plotline, more details, more characters, more simbology, and the decadent aura London has is a perfect scenery to make the main villain's goal a lot more realistic. If it happened on a normal country, it would be like "Hm, too evil, cartoonish", but giving how Victorian era London was, how utterly deppresive it all felt, it certainly could have pretty well been possible, even more knowing of the story of Albert Fish (Although that had more connections with China than London). And gameplay-wise, I don't need to state why Madness Returns is WAY better than the buggy hell AMA was. The real problem A:MR has is padding. Oh, god, the padding. There are so many minigames, extra areas, collectible, all of them so repetitive and some of them don't even have a tangible reward, the puzzle minigame has the SAME SOLUTION THREE TIMES ON A ROW! It's like they wanted it to last a lot more than what it should have lasted. And I get them, they had to justify the price (EA, as always), but they are so detrimental to the general portrait of the game... It makes it boring after some runs. But still, Alice 2 is way better than 1. Gameplay *and* story-wise.
@IsabelCarlota
@IsabelCarlota Год назад
@@hanshecker9075 I agree! I think that at the end of the day, people will end up preferring the game that most resembles those they played in their youth. So if someone loved Doom style shooters, they I see why Alice 1 is the game that feels the most comfortable and fun - it's a more perfectly good game in that genre. Now, Madness Returns has a more polished storyline, myriads of things to do and it didn't feel unnecessarily long to me? I liked all levels? And the platforming is not only well done but incredibly fun! Now, I grew up playing platformers so that's a genre I'll always enjoy more, but Madness Returns stills feels like an evolution regarding Alice 1. Both games have amazing art direction and are good anyway.
@Shythalia
@Shythalia 5 месяцев назад
R.I.P Alice Asylum 😢
@Salieri01
@Salieri01 Год назад
Yo this series deserves a new entry
@calebgoodman3028
@calebgoodman3028 Год назад
There’s a crowdfunding campaign for that.
@cryptidsprinkles
@cryptidsprinkles 5 месяцев назад
We may get a third game, but it won't be from American McGee. He's said he's done with game development and is ready to move on. I'm really glad you made this video, it's a salve for the sting ❤️❤️❤️
@americanmcgeesalicefanatic8904
I'm so happy people are finally giving this franchise the recognition it deserves.
@lucymorrison
@lucymorrison Год назад
I’m always glad to see someone else who adores these games. Madness Returns is my favourite game of all time and I’m so in love with the art and sound design of both. The story of AMR stopped me from killing myself because I finally felt understood, I relate to Alice and her struggle on such a personal level. hope to god EA gives Asylum the go-ahead sometime soon. I support American on Patreon and it’s lovely to see all the art and game design bits he and his team are working on.
@seaweed5269
@seaweed5269 Год назад
It's really fun how nostalgic these games are for everyone. I remember locking myself up in the bathroom for maximum darkness and spooks while playing AMA, in order to more properly appreciate its spooky dream like atmosphere, while others have similar childhood memories about AMR.
@xKarma_411
@xKarma_411 Год назад
Such a gem series that many still haven’t played because of book cover, but glad I gave it a try after a friend recommended it to me.
@rvre
@rvre Год назад
I'll always have a soft spot for Madness Returns, was a beautiful game at a strange time in my life. I deeply enjoyed your analysis of this somewhat slept on gem of a series. With it's rough edges it was a creative retelling of Alice.
@IceQueen975
@IceQueen975 2 месяца назад
I will say this regarding the decision for EA: If you don't feel it is profitable... why tf wouldn't you sell the rights back?! "Oh, we can't make money from this, but we won't sell it back to you." what absolutely fuckery is this?! It's not even good business sense! The decision sounds personal and petty af.
@bismarckluna
@bismarckluna 14 дней назад
They still make money from it, if they sell the property they won't be making anything and potentially enrich a competitor. They also don't want to invest the 50 million McGee asked (only for development btw) for such a niche project, because investors want the most guaranteed high profits. And they're used to insanely high profits from stuff like FIFA. McGee also seems to have a lot of artistic integrity, and people like that are difficult to work with when your goal is to make a product as profitable as possible. It sucks but it makes a lot of sense from a business perspective. Our best hope is if somehow 3D platformers, psychological horror and goths become trendy; and that's unlikely. And even if that happens, McGee is sadly not interested in game development anymore. It's just sad that such a cool and original property fell into the hands of such a profit-oriented (read as: fucking greedy) company.
@JadenFox9
@JadenFox9 Год назад
only way Asylum will be seen is if it was turned into a Spiritual Successor Indie Game because trusting EA is like trusting a extremely sleazy businessman, you ain't gonna get anywhere
@impatientjones1617
@impatientjones1617 Год назад
I would love to have the creators behind A Series of Unfortunate Events work on the Netflix adaptation, they've proven to be good at adaptations and are capable of mix very dark subjects with whimsical and witty dialogue
@mimilillamy3460
@mimilillamy3460 Год назад
I've played through Alice madness returns so many times it's my favorite game ever. I play it every time I'm in a depressive episod, there is something very comforting about it when you are sad/depressed. Plus it's just very fun to play!
@Hrotriks
@Hrotriks Год назад
TBH I didnt find Alice madness returns too long , rather just the right lenght... altho I can admit I have high tolerance for padding , so I could be wrong.... regardless nice of you to cover these awesome games and series.... I wish more games would go the creative artistic style rather than the "realistic graphics design " aproach.
@atlas4263
@atlas4263 Год назад
22:46 YOURE KIDDING ME THERES A SPRING DOWN THERE?? I've played this game si many times and had no idea
@graciesugarbee
@graciesugarbee Год назад
And here we are with EA confirming that we won't be getting that 3rd entry 🥲
@Icantpickaname12
@Icantpickaname12 7 месяцев назад
rip asylum, "McGee announced that even if EA were to reconsider their stance with production of the game in the future, he was not interested in being involved in future Alice projects.[24] He also announced his retirement from game development, with plans to focus on his family and their family business Mysterious."
@gamesergeanthd
@gamesergeanthd 7 месяцев назад
Every dark take on a fairy tale wants to be her so bad
@shenhehaver
@shenhehaver Год назад
well. they denied the third game and mcgee retired. :(
@hologr4mgf
@hologr4mgf Год назад
i have talked to American through a series of instagram comments, he is such a nice guy. he has an amazing (and adorable) family, and his games are just chef's kiss. i will always love Alice.
@lilandracarrier6907
@lilandracarrier6907 Год назад
I adore these games. They are literally perfect in my eyes. It was as if someone went into my head and found things I loved and put them into a game format I also love. Pity we won't get more, grateful for the ones I do have.
@jaded5957
@jaded5957 Год назад
Thank you for doing an in-depth video about Alice. I haven't personally played the original but love the Madness Returns game and am really looking forward to Asylum (hopefully) being released. Great video and great channel.
@MrSandManGiveMeADream
@MrSandManGiveMeADream Год назад
man, when i was a kid i pissed my pants how scary it was for me. slowly the more i grew up, the more i understood it.. such a underrated masterpiece
@vectorthigma3780
@vectorthigma3780 Год назад
it makes me beyond glad when i see youtubers cover this breathtaking series. i was a kid when it released and i grew up watching my sister play it. having my understanding of what wonderland was (at that point, only the books and the disney movie) absolutely turned upside down. i was afraid of it at first and then mesmerised by it. in hindsight, i shouldn’t have been exposed to something as dark as the games but things were different in the 2010s’ and i’m a better artist and person for it. alice’s story of tragedy was incredibly personal to me and it’s going to be really interesting to see how the final entry in the series wraps it all up. i’ve grown up with alice and it definitely is one of my favourite series of all time without question. your video was awesome! it was a complete nostalgia trip for me so thanks, hope the rest of the year goes well for you!
@evilvash0
@evilvash0 5 месяцев назад
I really do hate how many games are stuck on shelves because companies refuse to give up their licenses even if they never gonna do crap really with em, this one, Parasite Eve from Square Enix, Silent Hill is finally getting a remake but most of us just want Kenomi to sell the rights to someone who would actually make more silent hill games the list goes on, the end result usually comes down to they keep the rights they eventually go bankrupt or absorbed into another company and it all gets lost anyway it sucks but here's to hoping they make a new game some day for alice.
@inthiccwetrust5779
@inthiccwetrust5779 Год назад
Cant settle for just being evil, EA also has to be the worst
@thedeepfriar745
@thedeepfriar745 Год назад
Can we just appreciate that the fantastic Roger L. Jackson voices six characters in America McGee’s Alice. That’s right The man that makes Ghostface so terrifying voices six characters in this game
@jgog1
@jgog1 Год назад
Just subscribed! I've had a hard month with everything in my life, and it was nice to just fall into a nice long video like this and just listen to everything you could find on the topic. This is really well done, I can't wait to see what you do next!
@marcosbradanovic9100
@marcosbradanovic9100 Год назад
Alice Asylum is dead 😢
@DefyReality-ll2cg
@DefyReality-ll2cg Год назад
Sadly, Fuck EA!
@cinnabons2022
@cinnabons2022 Год назад
madness returns was the first game that i ever completed all the way through- and though i never got to play alice 1 i completely agree when you say that it has one of the best game soundtracks ever. wonderful wonderful video it’s always such a joy to see people talk about games that are so nostalgic to me.
@bljet4388
@bljet4388 Год назад
from time to time, in my mind would occasionally pop back the fond memory of me on a cloudy day watching pewdiepie play some alice doomslayer game. The acid trip of a book left the similar taste in my mouth, in retrospect, even though i hated the process of reading it as a 9 year old since it was my first longer "book" and was confusing. This game similarly looks like the same nostalgia material so i'll definetly try it.
@rorylidster4844
@rorylidster4844 Год назад
its rare I watch an hour long game analysis video that feels like it was only 5 min. Great job keeping me engaged, I really enjoyed the layout and pacing of the analysis. Subscribed and now will be checking out your channel
@KingFluffs
@KingFluffs Год назад
I have a signed copy of the Madness Returns art book, and it's one of my most prized posessions.
@DalyantheVampire
@DalyantheVampire 11 месяцев назад
Alice, Madness Returns is a whole experience, from the music, design, atmosphere, story, to combat and platforming - I would never dare say that it is overstaying its welcome!
@excelynite
@excelynite 2 месяца назад
I hate EA, they don't make art anymore, just cash-grabs, they destroyed The Sims franchise, now they make empty promises
@shantofistie4281
@shantofistie4281 4 месяца назад
I remember being a young teenager and with my first serious girlfriend She introduced me to this series of games and even after near 15 years it serves as both a hauntingly sweet and a beautifully painfully reminder of things that once where, things that could have been and things that could never be But life still goes on and so must I Doesn't mean it can't hurt I guess ✌️❤️
@echosakurai241
@echosakurai241 Год назад
I love this video!!! Very well done!! I love how you went into detail of both games, giving insightful thought and that just made me love the series even more :) I came across Madness Returns and absolutely fell in love with the atmosphere, story, and soundtrack, before finding the first game as well. I hope Asylum will hopefully get the green light in the future :D
@exosproudmamabear558
@exosproudmamabear558 Год назад
We had game catalouges when I was little.I fell in love at the first sight when I saw American McGee's Alice once in the catalogue when I was 6-7 years old. I just wanted to have it so badly along with theme park but despite begging my father he only got me Theme park but not Alice.When I got older I bought Alice madness returns just after I saw it knowing it was the continuation of the game I craved so badly.One of the best decisions I have made
@galaxa88
@galaxa88 Год назад
I read somewhere that the keys after each Fire Door Memory mean something to the story, with Lizzie's Key Door being significant to the full story. But the symbols on each key gained hold something important. I just have to figure out what each mean and how it correlates to the story. Edit: After some digging, I’ve found each symbolism for the keys, and I’ll do my best to connect them to the story. Be warned because it will be long. Saturn Key: Responsibility and limits. With limits, I’m guessing it’s because she doesn’t have a lot of evidence or information about the truth. She also thinks she was responsible for the fire (however, this was already foreshadowed not to be the case because the Jabberwocky is already dead by the time she’s there). Mercury Key: Logic and thought. I think this is the starting point where Alice begins to connect the dots. As the game progresses, there’s information that doesn’t connect, meaning there’s more than what she knows (most notably being Centaurs not living in Oxford). Moon Key: Memories and secrets. Of course, Alice is collecting memories from everyone she knows, some of which gives hints about what’s going on. Alice also kept a lot of Lizzie’s secrets, so guess what helps her find the truth? Mars Key: Passion and drive. Throughout the entire game she’s passionate about finding the truth about the fire and who controls the Infernal Train. They all go down to one person. Venus Key: Harmony and love. The things Alice longs for. By the end, however, she finally gets that in Londerland. Granted, she can’t go back to how it was before, as said by the Cheshire Cat, but these two components will be something that’ll co-exist with her and Wonderland…for now. That’s all I gathered. Feel free to add something or correct me!
@abitcattywampus
@abitcattywampus Год назад
The game is full alchemical and astrological symbols. The keys are Saturn, Mercury, Luna, Mars, and Venus.
@Tracylynn62
@Tracylynn62 7 месяцев назад
After being disillusioned with my latest expensive game purchase (Starfield) and hating the game, I started looking for an alternative. I found a few recommendations for Alice Madness Returns. I started playing yesterday and haven't enjoyed a game like this for a long time if ever. I started looking into some lore regarding this game and thank you, you delivered.
@Envious_JIG
@Envious_JIG 5 месяцев назад
6:19 Late To The Jabberwocky is THE EXACT same notes to the sacred song from TLoZ Spirit Tracks... I IMMEDIATELY felt hyped hearing those same notes again from my first Zelda title (yes I know the alice game came first)...it's amazing what a few notes can do Also update: Last month, McGee said he's retiring entirely from Game Design
@BNuts
@BNuts Год назад
I've seen some of American's development streams for _Asylum_ , and it's an interesting process to see happen. I hope it gets made.
@USAirsoft
@USAirsoft Год назад
I remember as a kid my father downloaded this Alice style brick breaker game, the type of game where you hit a ball with a side to side movable paddle to hit colored bricks. It was a game I played a lot on my dad’s computer that might have been an old Mac but I can’t find the game anywhere or even screenshots.
@spimbles
@spimbles Год назад
mustve been some insanely niche flash game. theres been so many out there that a lot of em, especially old ones, are simply lost to time
@mohammedomar9610
@mohammedomar9610 5 месяцев назад
Nice summary on the past, present and (hopefully) future of American megee’s alice it was sweet it kept me wanting to watch and now more about it so good job mate! you deserve it
@sebastiandesire
@sebastiandesire Год назад
I've only been a fan of this series for over a year but it's had me on a chokehold from day one. It's a story that I love being told over and over and that's why I'm grateful for videos like this. 💖
@BlazingsNL
@BlazingsNL Год назад
I actually liked that Alice Madness Returns kept on going for as long as it did. I really enjoyed that game and was happy to find out there was another area to explore, and then another, and then another!
@ricoaioa
@ricoaioa 5 месяцев назад
Alice: Asylum would've been so amazing. I fucking hate EA 🤬
@sweetpixiesmile
@sweetpixiesmile Год назад
One of my favourite game series of all time. Thanks for the retrospective and letting me know there may be more to come!
@user-nd7rg5er5g
@user-nd7rg5er5g 9 месяцев назад
This was an excellent video! I've always heard of these games before but haven't played them. Seeing the art style and this really good and passionate deep dive into the video makes me want to give them a shot now. :)
@Sulfiric
@Sulfiric 10 месяцев назад
Excellent video. I’ve been a fan of this side of Alice since the first game. I hope Alice Asylum finds its way onto our systems.
@FerBeCi
@FerBeCi Год назад
I still have very fond memories of this game and for a few years I've tried to keep up with the news about a sequel, honestly I was not hopeful, but watching this video light up my fire again hahaha great content!
@thetoyboxgeneral
@thetoyboxgeneral Год назад
I was recommended this video and wow!! I remember hearing about this game series from an old friend but never looked into it any, this video really showed me how great this series is! I'll definitely be looking into it fully now, amazing video overall! I hope more comes of this series in the future.
@sopranophantomista
@sopranophantomista Год назад
I never got a chance to pick up Alice: Madness Returns, but I really should. Asylum looks amazing, and I'm so happy that McGee and Co are still so passionate about finishing out the story. With the success of Gris and its exploration of reconciling grief through gameplay, I would say there's definitely a niche that would love to see this come to fruition.
@katietuohy7846
@katietuohy7846 Год назад
REALLY hoping Asylum happens. I don’t have as high of hopes for the TV series though given the current state of streaming.
@YourFeelingsSucks
@YourFeelingsSucks 7 месяцев назад
That version of Alice is way better than the Disney and Tim Burton versions combined. Alice look more convincing and the wonderland's characters are great. I was surprised how she controlled better in Madness Returns, she could jump more, float and unleash the hysteria mode. McGee said that Bumby couldn't be redeemed because of his role in the game, it was him who made her losing her family and home, and he sold the orphans just to make more profits. He manipulated Alice as he believed that he deserved the same amount of respect than the Red queen had. The game not having much bosses fights wasn't an issue, the story was really something more interesting to get throught.
@BakilAskamrim
@BakilAskamrim 7 месяцев назад
In Madness Returns, the dollhouse was the "this is too damn long" and became that level that keeps me from wanting to replay the game for" for me.
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