I've already seen a lot of comments saying that he didn't do it....? Huh? Is this a thing? He himself apologized and cited a couple specific things. In Brockhampton's statement, they said, "We were lied to". You can argue that art and morality should be separate, you can argue that kicking him out was too harsh, but you can't argue that he hasn't done anything wrong
Alfo Media I actually don't agree with your point about BH's label (around 6:00) because R. Kelly and Chris Brown are both still with RCA. I kinda believe that Ameer left on his on accord, because he knew he had to, which explains why Joba, Dom, and apparently Kevin were crying at their show in Boston. In any event, I hope this means that Dom will get to shine more in BH's music.
Alfo Media I agree with what he did being wrong (obviously). Before I argue my point I just wanna say that if I had to pick a member to be my least favorite musically speaking, it's Ameer, so don't worry I'm not saying he should stay because I like the way he raps. What I'm trying to argue against is that Ameer is a bad person. I hate and am shocked when people who loved him all of a sudden are saying you're supporting an abuser when people support Ameer, constantly putting that label on him, as if he's less than human and that's all he's worth... Isn't that kinda what Brockhampton is against? Although he was my least favorite member musically, I could still really appreciate what he'd been through when hearing his lyrics, which I still don't find as good as other members' lyrics, but they really show his issues he had at school with racism, and home with his dad who would beat his mother, and outside with drugs and violence. He also described the very wrong things he did in the past, and how he's moving past them and how he wants to be better so badly, and actually is getting better. I don't see how you could think that Ameer is all of a sudden a bad person. He's made some mistakes, some pretty big ones, but they're direct causes of his experience growing up (abused becomes the abuser) AND they're also big parts of shaping him into the changed person he was today a person that was part of a boyband and best friends with someone who's gay and wanted to have a positive impact on the world. With all the information out, I wouldn't have gone as far as kicking him out if I was in Brockhampton, because I don't think that will help him, but I'm not in Brockhampton, and this is only what I can see from the outside, so I'm trusting Brockhampton and hoping this will be for the best for everyone. I really hope Ameer still gets his chance to better himself through music and expressing himself, and I wish them all the best of luck and if you're a fan, then actually be a fan and support them, because they need the support now. And that includes Ameer, because I think he needs it most.
Bob O I'm pretty sure it was more than that. It literally says he was kicked out for abuse, not cheating or disrespting women. It was abuse but then again we don't know what really happened.
+Docbngrl9113 The point I think Alfo Media was trying to make was that brockhampton just got signed. Compared to R. Kelly and Chris Brown who were making RCA loads of money before their allegations. Especially where the money RCA is making from those two is nowhere close to the money brockhampton would be bringing in right now.
ginger showed how brockhampton is gonna be okay without ameer, although i liked iridescence it seemed to not really have a structure but ginger is just so well thought out
ellie wheatley With the Iridescence album apparently they were actually in a hurry to finish the album while dealing with the Ameer situation which is why Iridescence isn't their best album and even Brockhampton themselves said that Iridescence wasn't their best album in a video.
i think they had to drop a album mostly bc they just signed a contract w rca and was about to drop puppy and they canceled, iridescence is a good album but to me it seems they just did it bc they did it (idk how to explain), ginger came and wowww I have no words, definitely the best album of brockhampton
@@larabraga2372 yea exactly bc of the deal with the label they HAD put out an album so that's why iridescence sounds kinda rushed to some people even though i think its a great album
Even though it is sad to see Ameer leave, but Im glad the guys in Brockhampton did the right thing. I mean, if Ameer were to stay in the group it would ruin Brockhampton's overall message, especially Matt Champions verse on Junky about respecting women and calling out rapists.
Carter Bryson dat true I mean I understand why they kicked him out but he is still Good AND HE WAS GREAT ON SATURATION 3 I Will listen to his solo music
@@nikol2489 he never got kicked out, nobody ever said that he got "kicked" out, they just said he's no longer in brockhampton. Which means he could've left himself due to all the accusations himself. The group also slipped up in the longest summer in america documentary... they said something along the lines of "That was the last day we ever saw Ameer" as if he left himself
Brockhampton was always about calling out bullshit where ever it comes up - and that includes when it's bullshit from people you trust. It sucks, but it was 100% the right choice to let him go. This isn't just about business or the label, it's about not being hypocrites. Ameer is talented, and maybe one day when he's proven he can be a better person, that talent won't be wasted.
Kicking out Ameer made them a hypocrite, all like "WE ARE BROTHERS WE ARE FAMILY" right when the main damn head hit a wall they abandoned him, guess he'll have to put his mom in a range on his own.
Disco John your family can still betray your trust, and sometimes the relationship you have with your family can never recover from that. That's not hypocritical that's real
@@jfoster-ou3vh You sound stupid. Everything that he willingly did when he did them, he signed his own death warrant. Accept that he fucked up, and that BROCKHAMPTON made the right decision.
^ This is a true, and really interesting point. Personally, I think Chris Brown and R. Kelly are both horrible people and have abandoned their music a long time ago. But, they rose to prominence long before people cared about this kind of stuff. It's this weird thing where so many people got ousted from society, but a bunch of other horrible people didn't. I don't really get it
Alfo Media I do hope Ameer doesn't go down a downward spiral and get the help he needs. With his talent, he can definitely have a successful solo career.
I partially agree, but do any of us except brockhamton really know what he did? considering the post they made said "we were lied to", it might imply that something was hidden, and some, possibly worse, information has been hidden.
Since you don't seem to know. Chris Brown and R. Kelly are both signed to the same label as Brockhampton. So if the label had a hand in the desicion then they are hypocrites.
To be fair, the alligations really go against what brockhampton has built up to be, for example, Matt's verse on Junky is about respecting woman and clearly not what Ameer has done, (as explained in the video) If they were to let Ameer stay in the group, it kind of throws of their whole message...
I mean ameer has talked about being a shitty person in the past in a lot of his verses and how he's trying to change. There might be more to it though, i have no idea if the allegations were recent or not and I'm fine with this decision even though ameer brings a balance to the group
Jario It happend a few years back. Ameer has been doing well for a while to become a better person, but now that he's becoming successful the accusers want to take to social media so he can get slandered.
No Ameer= no grit, sappy music. Ameer to me was the only one in the group who actually seemed like he experienced life in the streets, he was the only one who had an element of believability in his verses. Even though Dom has some crazy bars and the other members can hold their own, none of the other members bring that aggressive energy besides Ameer
Mo When I went to their concert in Indianapolis in February Ameer was getting the crowd hyped as hell and Dom came into the crowd and I was rapping w him. Dom is arguably better than Ameer but Ameer is a huge talent and probably the most well known in the group besides Kevin. I feel like they'll never recover from this as a group tbh
I understand the situation and respect Brockhampton’s choice but will miss Ameer as he was one of the most talented members and on the cover of literary all the Saturation albums.
@@maya-os1hr I actually agree, while his verses in some songs like GUMMY are kinda iconic, he has the same flow across songs and it's pretty boring. His verse in SWEET in the worst by a mile imo.
I don't know man, I think it's gonna be bitter to listen to them from now on. I agree that business wise this was the best step, but personally, I disagree with it - mostly because he has mentioned his past problems so many times, through songs, instagram, videos, twitter, what have you. He knows what he did was wrong and he really shows it. And of course it was. But nobody is being helped by this shitstorm - the victims will not heal just because he was kicked out of the group and he will not find and continue on a more positive path by being kicked out. There has to be more to it than we know, since they are willing to go this far - we have, have, to give people a chance to better themselves. He was a teen on drugs. He isn't anymore and he knows what he did was not acceptable at all. He was hiding from a past he regretted, its all over the lyrics from especially Bleach and Milk. My point is, he wants to be better. He has been better for a while. They should stand with him personally, but I get why they would do this for PR (or if there's more to it than we know as fans). And I have to disagree, they will not get better from here. That's just not possible. Yeah, they're gonna have better production and bigger opportunities, but the soul of it is gone.... My main point being; They were a family. And he had the grit, the "realness", the edge of the group. He brought something no other band member had, a perspective from the streets. Now it's gone. Not blaming anyone but Ameer for that, by the way - they did what they felt was the best. But it's not the same anymore, every song from now on by "Brockhampton" is gonna miss "Ameer Vann" in the member list.
I don't think he got kicked out, I feel like it was his decision. Consider if he stayed, it would look bad on BH to their target audiences, and would create traction with their RCA label deal (Their label would get backlash for supporting an alleged artist). Look at that performance at Boston, when Joba and Kevin teared up, they didn't want to make the conclusion. So yeah Ameer probably understood he would hinder the success of BH, and left for the TEAM. edit: whoever flagged my comment, understand this situation should be seen with an open perspective, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions on both sides of the debate.
Ameer is good, but there's never been a defining member that was required for the group to be good. They're all decent members so losing one isn't bad.
To me, Ameer being a part of Brockhampton is not an insult and actually reinforces that they are such a safe space, because of the wrong things he did in the past, it shows how being able to be around these friends who understood and supported him and being able to express his problems and the wrong things he did in his music helping him change, and if someone held a gun to my head and made me pick my least favorite member, musically speaking, I'd pick Ameer, but I still really really loved the guy and felt for him like I felt for the others. It shows how someone can change in the right environment, and become a part of something that is against what he himself used to be in the past. All in all, I'm sad to see him kicked, but the choice isn't mine to make, and I'm trusting Brockhampton with the choice they've made. Hopefully this will end up being the best for everyone and of course I will keep supporting Brockhampton but also Ameer, because he needs it too. Hope I don't get too much hate for thinking this way... Edit : isn't R Kelly on RCA?
The problem with this is that people were saying that some of this stuff was happening during Saturation. This stuff isn’t just his past coming back to haunt him, but really big mistakes at the worst possible time for the group
Get Schwifty yeah maybe he didn't change and that's why they said "we were lied to", but we can't tell from the outside. Edit : like I said, I'm going to just trust them I don't think they're stupid and I think Ameer was at least consulted about it so it's possible he thought it might be best for him to leave too, Kevin did say they talked about it a lot
You are absolutely the only person I can think of off the top of my head that cares enough about this band (and fan base) enough to make this video respectfully. Thank you for using your platform to inform and not just shit talk. I adore your videos man.
Some people in the comments need to understand that the criminal justice system is not laid out to help victims, or at least not to make life easy for them. The abuser is innocent until proven guilty, after all. A guy I know finally had charges pressed against him for rape, but it will take at least another year before it's taken to court. In the meantime, the victim has to deal with the this trauma constantly. Many victims of abusive relationships or sexual assault choose to just get out of it when they can and try to move on - its easier than going through the justice system and having to re-live the trauma again and again, and for what? The abuser might not even get a sentence. Now I'm not saying I know what happened between Ameer and his accusers, but it is so so important to listen to these people, and understand that they find strength in numbers and realising that they are not alone. We also need to recognize that we don't know the whole story, and kicking a best friend out of the group could not have been an easy decision. It can't just be because Ameer was a "shitty boyfriend." Consider the weight of the decision, then consider what it must have taken for them to make that decision.
When I was in high school there was a couple who were fooling around in one of the bathrooms, a teacher walked in and the girl freaked out and just told the teacher that her boyfriend was raping her because she didn't want to get in trouble. He was arrested and had to register as a sex offender. He stayed with her afterwards.
I mean i had a friend who had been accused of sexual abuse by his girlfriend. Like i have seen that he been sleeping with her too many times and she accepted and enjoyed it. But after the breaking up, she called that he raped her like wtf...
It is sad about Ameer getting the boot, but people are accountable for their actions. There are still 20 members left in the group tho so just a bump in the road. Unfortunately he is the cover of saturation series.
Iron Mountain if he admitted to being wrong and the group said that they were lied to, then he clearly did something wrong. Stop supporting an abuser just because you like his music.
Kanji there were sexual abuse allegations in there. clearly the words, “we were lied too” means to me that brockhampton know more about what this man has done than we do. they did their own research and gathered that the best move would be to kick him out of the band. what the found out, we’ll never know.
RCA signed R.kelly post allegations and have Chris Brown on the label. I doubt they played a major role in the decision. If they did, it would've been extremely hypocritical.
I don't think the "fans" have a right to feel betrayed. Ameer himself has had a hard life, and has made mistakes and done bad things in the past, but has been making a huge effort to improve himself and become a better person. Twitter freaks wanting to "cancel" him and ruin his life because of his past actions to me seems like they don't understand what growing as a person is, and don't really want someone to atone and learn from their mistakes and be a better person in the future, they just want to crucify and condemn them.
There are many people in the music industry that have been accused of countless fucked uP things and they’ve never really owned up to it but while someone tries to change and be a better person.They get “cancelled” okay.
this is the worst excuse ive seen for defending ameer. youre basically saying that because a lot of people do fucked up shit, then ameer should be able to do it too? i like brockhampton just as much as anybody else, but i dont discriminate artists just because they make better music. if whatever artist did something fucked up, they should have consequences too. even ameer.
ReviewsOfTime I dont think that’s what he was trying to say. I believe he meant it’s just unfair how assholes in the music industry do fucked up shit (maybe worse than Ameer) and get away with it, but somebody like Ameer who’s trying to better himself gets punishment. While what Ameer got might have been deserved, it’s incredibly unfair when you consider a lot of other people’s situations in the music industry.
coconaut and his backstory with his dad and family issues, but they may know something that we don't. I'm just gonna have to put my faith in Brockhampton I will for sure keep supporting Ameer if he chooses to pursue any solo career I don't think he's a bad person.
apologizing doesnt completely absolve anyone from what theyve done wrong. ameer hurt a lot of people, and just because he vaguely acknowledged this doesnt mean he can keep going on with his life how it is
I was really looking forward to see your opinion and I honestly think this couldn't be said better. However, I still choose to listen to Ameer's music if he ever choose to have a solo/group music career. The other Brockhampton fans can judge me for this and you are free to do so. But to me the art ≠ artist.
banana puding I think it's important for us to speak about this. Maybe tweet him supportive messages so he knows he wasn't abandoned and the world isn't completely crazy
Christopher Nolan lmao no one is stopping you, I'm just saying people usually rap/sing about their life and experiences so they're not that easy to separate
Finding out about what Ameer has done, has really made it like wierd to listen to the songs he is on. It feels wrong to still listen to and enjoy his verses and such. I almost feel guilty for it.
I'm deeply saddened by the news, and will miss Ameer. I understand both sides and since I don't know the whole story I can't say too much. But I hope it's not as bad as they say, and I hope he is able get his shit together, and maybe come back down the line. It's too confusing and a lot to unravel. This is such a gray area I don't know. I believe it was right, but at the same time I don't know....
Part of what made Brockhampton so appealing to me is that they're just a group of friends, kicking someone out of that bond to me, seems like kicking someone out of your friendship group and that to me puts me off more than what Ameer did. I don't think kicking their best friend out was the right idea and he was getting help even though that doesn't right his wrongs i know. Ian didn't want to join a label in Mmerican boy band so i don't think they did this not to lose the label or because of the label, i think there's a lot of information that we as fans still don't know so i don't want to be against Ameer because of allegations. Maybe im wrong, im not trying to start arguments, just stating my view. Peace.
elaftos completly agree, when I heard the news of him being kicked out, it felt like I would never talk to a friend again, and that is too harsh for a problem that he is trying to resolve
Yes you said it perfectly. My hope is he decided to leave so the group wouldnt look bad. But if they kicked him out that really makes me look at the group chemistry differently especially when they represented so much of that unity
If I knew a friend of mine was abusive in several cases and lied to me about it after promising to work on it I really wouldn't wanna be their friend anymore tho. Friendship with a person who's abusive and lying about it to me, a friend, who's trying to help, wouldn't be a possible thing for me. So it's understandable that the boys didn't let him stay, for personal as for PR reasons. I hate that this happened and that he has to leave just as much as the next guy but also I can understand the decision. Plus if they really felt like cutting him off would be easy why would they react so emotionally, like we saw them do? I do think that they feel terrible about all this as well and aren't happy with these decisions, but I can understand why they chose to act this way. It's just a shame that he ended up failing those girls and his close friends like this. And before somebody says the accusations might be fake, you really think Kevin and the others would not clarify that even if they had to be careful cuz of PR? They're so close I don't think that they would just do all this if they did not absolutely believe/know that Ameer did these things and that he didn't change/didn't put enough work into changing. Abuse is awful. I do hope that he's working on changing and that their friendship can be fixed after he does get proper help but I do think that this was the right, if a tragic decision and I do not think they failed him as a friend. Edit: I apologize for any errors btw English isn't my first language I hope I could get my point across somewhat tho
GeezeLouise Of course i can understand the decision, sadly its a very black and white situation and he either stays or he leaves; everyone cant be happy. I never said it was easy for them to cut Ameer off and i dont think they have completely tbh but joba even cried man. It sucks and its a really shitty situation where as i said, no one can win. But its left a bad taste in my mouth for future brockhampton projects and them as a collective. Your English is great by the way dont even worry man.
my mom was affected by relationship abuse by my father. it`s been about 13 years or so since they had divorced, cut off other contact that doesn`t have to do with me you could say my dad "has changed". but memories don`t just fade away. i am very much sure my mother has grown extremely fearful of being in close proximity to him. just because abusers can move on from their mistakes, doesnt mean that victims can just pick up so easily. I`m going to miss ameer but like when you have 8 girls saying you were evil to them, I`m not going to side with you so easily because you say are changing.
Gotta go back and take his verses out, I guess. That's why it's being pushed back. The interesting thing is how collaborative Brockhampton is. So, he might've been a huge creative part of more than a few songs. I'm guessing they would completely get rid of the songs that were mostly "his ideas".
I feel like that would be, tho maybe necessary as a marketing choice, very disrespectful towards Ameer and what they've built together as a group and as friends. Parting ways with him is fine, dismissing work that he's done with and for the group is a bit too much imo...
I really hope they don't cut Ameer out of the songs. I don't even know how you rewrite a song after taking out one or two verses, they'll have to write it from the ground up again if that's the case. That's not even to mention a song or two where Ameer is the main event, something along the lines of a TEETH or a STAINS sorta song where it's literally just Ameer with the main verses. I personally think that they'll just leave him in the songs, because why would they waste time trying to unwrite songs that are already great? They might just "go home to regroup" and then come back and release the album immediately when all the press has died down. They'll probably also throw in a different outro song that has to do with the whole situation just for closure, because I don't really see them not mentioning the whole drama at all on the album, something will be on there. Worst case scenario is that they scrap the whole album (for the second time this year) and start from scratch without Ameer, which would be fucking tragic. All we can hope for is that this doesn't drastically change Brockhampton, because Ameer was one of the strongest people in the group, especially with him being on all 3 album covers (it's gonna be SUPER awkward after he's gone because of the album covers). Please god don't change the album covers. Please.
What scares me the most about this is that ameer is gonna be alone....he’s been isolated from where he creates, his home, his family(the group)....from what I know he has had addictions and been through some shit, and he really did represent that light in the music for me .... of this raw flow and true nature...that I will say I enjoyed so much. Some of my favorite songs are from ameer and I don’t know if the label kicked him off or BH or ameer decided to leave but what I do know too... Is that we aren’t meant to be alone in our suffering for healing I have heard and read a lil bit about certain allegations and I don’t know enough to say that what ameer did or not do But if they are true I don’t think that -isolation- Is gonna help a man w/sexual issues (if he is guilty,cause I personally don’t know) The men in our country have suppressed sexual urges that come into aggression and from my readings of the comments and this video some BH fans don’t care enough and don’t want this rift in the band But tbh which is something that this video just really messed me up on and I’m gonna be brutally honest Is I truly am listening and trying to be by someone’s side of being a victim of physical mental sexual abuse But I do question What is the truth? Where is the evidence? Why do I question this persons experience? So with that being said it’s sad that men assault and rape. That people are questioned if they really are a victim. That people will make terrible decisions and have to suffer the consequences I am not trying to demean the METOO movement or belittle a mans consequences for his actions but we need to be wise and learn to be Knowledgable that we come from a country of pain And what can we try and do now to change this? - I send my love to BH, I met them at a concert once and I was touched so much by Kevin’s kindness he wrapped his arm around me...and I felt so right in the world. It’s so dramatic but we need to start change and we should all really learn from BH with such a big platform now and with what happened with ameer I don’t really know how to feel now and continue on - A BH fan
I really am so grateful for how you put this. I would be quite apprehensive when clicking on the types of videos but this was worded and discussed exactly how I hoped it would be. I’m only now getting into brockhampton so this was a pretty wholesome intoduction to how the fanbase behaves. Have a good life ♻️
I’m just going to trust that the other members of BROCKHAMPTON have made the best decision for them and their group. Only they know what the best thing for them to do is and all of this happened for a reason. I am still going to love and support them just as much as I did before and respect their decision very much.
I think he's gonna come back eventually. I'm sure he's still gonna help out on the music cause he lives in the house. BROCKHAMPTON gave me the courage to come out to my friends and this really hurts. I love brockhampton but I think Ameer is just gonna grow as a person and still make music.
Theres no such thing as a good person. Not even you Alfo. But most of us are trying to be good including Ameer. If fans want to support him they should.
The majority of people acting so high and mighty regarding this situation. We need to bear in mind that Ameer stated himself to have never criminally harmed anyone smh. I hope he has a good solo career
“I ain’t the same nigga that I once was” -Milk “the past fuck with my Psyche” -Tokyo “but I’ve grown since then” - Stains whole 2pac verse whole milk verse every verse on Saturation 3 Ameer made mistakes not saying he didn’t do anything but if they are supposed to be brothers that’s not how you go about it saying they were lied to is just to distance themselves from his actions. Its sad that young black men never have a chance to grow and learn from past mistakes. He was a young man who didn’t know how to have a healthy relationship
the people whining about ameer “not being given a chance to change” or whatever really get on my nerves. nobody is saying people can’t learn from their mistakes and grow, and nobody is denying him the opportunity to do so. but he doesn’t need to be in brockhampton in order to do that, and quite frankly, he doesn’t deserve a platform like that right now. if people don’t face consequences for their actions then how will they ever learn? we can’t just let people off with a slap on the wrist and hope that they’ll change. we need to start taking these things seriously. we need to do better.
ashlyn marie he only confessed to cheating and being pushy. Have you never done that? Ever hear about Salem? People were hanged for being witches. So let's not pretend mass hysteria isn't a thing.
Mo uh no, i can honestly say i’ve never done that, lmao. comparing someone being accused of abuse by multiple women to the salem witch trials is beyond reaching and honestly just extremely ignorant. brockhampton stated that they were lied to, which implies to me that they came upon new information about the situation that we haven’t been made aware of. regardless of that, ameer only owning up to the least severe of the accusations doesn’t mean he’s innocent of the rest and i’m not exactly inclined to believe anything he says at this point, either. i stand by the victims here no matter how much of a fan i was of ameer.
ashlyn marie What else was BH supposed to say "Oh our twitter stans are forcing us to kick Ameer out"? The accuser knew what she was doing, waiting for him to start being successful and then ruin his career. Abuse is subjective, and in this day and age the snowflakes think a hand on the shoulder is abuse. If in fact he was so bad, the police are a thing to go to, not twitter to get a load of attention
Johny Man most abuse victims are afraid to even go to the police in the first place because they know the odds of them actually getting justice are extremely low. that being said, we don’t even know for sure that ameer’s victims haven’t. you can believe whatever you’d like but at the end of the day, brockhampton has made their decision, and we’re all just outsiders in this situation who will never know everything that happened. that’s what’s so tricky about these situations, but generally speaking, it’s better to be on the side of the victim.
ashlyn marie honestly I’d like to know what he actually did, cause we all truthfully don’t know shit. but if he actually didn’t physically abuse them or have sec with a minor, then I don’t know what to say. at the risk of sounding like an asshole, cheating is not a reason to call upon me too and have someone’s career taken down, especially if he’s recently begun to use a good moral compass, it just seems like she waited until things got good for him to enact revenge.
I am sad but Brockhampton made the decision for what they think is best. I am mad about the fans who act like they are in Brockhampton saying that Ameer shoukd stay. I am also bummed since I was going to there concert next week
Disco John Unless you personally know Ameer you cannot fully know how he is as a person. The other members of BH lived with him and they decided themselves, so they thought it would be for the best.
@@discojohn8753 no but he did do a lot of things. obviously. and accusations areng always false, som eof them are v v v stretched but not all of them can be false can they. maybe listening to dearly departed will make you think differently.
I agree with alot of what you are saying in this video. But in regards to the not listening to bad people you had abbey road in your favourite albums of all time list, but it is well known that John Lennon was quite an awful person at times physically abusing lovers and emotionally abusing his first son. And while I'm not defending Ameer'e actions at all I just feel like saying you wouldn't have listened to them at all if he had stayed while also a week ago having abbey road in the best albums list contradicts the separating art from artist point you were saying but other than that I agree with alot you are saying in this video. Keep up the quality content man.
I don't like that someone can have their career ended by allegations without proof. I don't like how asking for proof is seen as a bad thing. I don't like how people are twisting things around so that it makes it seem like they are on the right side of things when they themselves don't know the whole story.
So true. I think the people saying "good decision don't want an abuser" are naive as fuck as well as the uploader in question. Only Brockhampton know the full story; for all we know it could be so much worse than the allegations put out there which resulted in this decision. They wouldn't kick him out unless it was serious enough to warrant that.
So true. And now us fans all have to lose ameer and he has to lose his livelihood. The dude has already come so far and now to get thrown back to where he was at the start of 2016 or so is pretty fucked up. All because he was "emotionally abusive/manipulative"
I understand this and I understand people’s concern that a culture of this is brewing but equally I think the wording of the statement counteracts this. “We were lied to” really feels like the members of Brockhampton got the whole truth from Ameer, and whilst obviously pressure from fans will have influenced the decision, I don’t think ‘proof’ is what’s necessary here.
I think proof is always necessary when making a judgment call on someone. But I agree with you that if he admitted behind closed doors to doing something (which would be considered proof) really bad then it's fine that he was kicked out. I just don't think that saying mean things and cheating is enough. All I want is clarity from the group and not some vague statement.
This whole thing sucks because Ameer brought a level of rap to BH that no one else has. It’s sad that he left but it was a hard and ultimately correct decision.
AND PEGGY he cheated, that's it, it's common, don't defend it, but neither is it a big deal, hes just a glorified fuckboy, i love the guy dont respect what he does but the situation got way blown out of proportion
it really hurts, it seems like every musican or band i get into some scandal or death few months later and i thought for once i found SOMETHING pure something that made me feel happy and finding out what ameer did feels like a personal betrayal now i could sit here and defend him til im blue in the face but im not because i have respect for the victims and i have respect for the group as a whole for making this decision im scared for the bands health but all i can do is pray they recover quickly and show them my support
listening to his opening verse on milk and the chorus is literally painful now. i feel like this whole time he's been so honest about his past so i'm confused on their statement that the group was "lied to." i get why they kicked him out but it sucks that people are automatically "cancelled" for past decisions that they've made when they're clearly trying to change and be better.
As much as I love Ameer's verses and tone, this was really the best thing for the group as a whole. The only thing I can truly hope is that BROCKHAMPTON keeps moving forward past this, and that Ameer really does start to improve his behavior. In no way should enjoying his music be an afront to his victims, nor should acknowledging his victims be an afront to him as an artist. His actions aren't excusable because "He's had a messed up life." or "At least he knows it's wrong". I definitely got a little drop in my heart hearing the news too but this is just another example of all of us having to find a way to move forward.
Honestly, I don’t really understand the outrage looking back, at least from the fans. Like ameer has spoken about making big mistakes and doing a lot of bad shit in the past. Did people think he was lying? Like what was the expectation there
I am really heartbroken about this. I started listening to BROCKHAMPTON last October and I listened to only them all the way up until March for the most part. One of my friends told me that I reminded him of Ameer and now it's just bugging me. I think back and try to imagine songs without Ameer and it just wouldn't the same. From a business standpoint it had to happen but it's pretty devasting to have an idea or view of someone changed overnight. You feel like you lost something and that's how I feel
7:04 Consuming someone's art means you'll inherently support them? I don't think so, you can EASILY, especially nowadays, listen to someone's music without supporting them in anyway.
Subscribed. Great video essay. Loved Ameer, he was very talented, and this is obviously a very painful situation. But these are the steps we need to take in order to move forward as a culture.
This whole thing will cause rifts in the band and within two years they will break up. And the most talented will have solo careers. Just like every boy band lmao
It's really sad to see this happen so early in brockhamptons career and I hope the other members of the group don't leave him in the dirt since they do claim to be close friends and friends like them should be there especially when things are difficult. I also hope that Ameer can face these issues and settle them that way he can move on to a solo career and just evolve as an artist and a person.
When did we stop needing concrete proof of someone actually doing what they're accused of? Nowhere in this did I see you post any police reports or court documents. Just a bunch of social media he said she said bullshit.
Rumour has it one time Oloff was sat next to Jar Jar Binks on a flight. Jar Jar kept kicking the chair in front of him and generally being obnoxious, nobody knew what to do. Eventually one of the flight attendants came over and asked Oloff if he would perform one of his songs to calm Jar Jar down, and when Oloff began rapping the first verse to Doing It Stealthy, Jar Jar immediately relaxed. To this day the two are still close friends.
Damn..this feels like character and career assasination.I feel as though this could have been dealt with in a more efficient way for everyone and he would not have had to leave.looking back on the situation now it does look like those fans pulling for him to get kicked played some role in this happening
Ameer is the only person many can relate to. Without him the majority of the hiphop community will probably stop listening. He was a man who would made mistakes and admitted to them while seeking redemption. Even if he steps away from the group to build on himself, the twitter stans part of the fanbase might not accept him. Side not Chris Brown and R.Kelly are both signed with RCA so no point in saying that label wont accept this kind of stuff.
Hey man, thanks for the video. Not gonna knock you on your opinion, this is a really grey matter where there is no right and wrong. It's very subjective and based on perspective. My view comes straight from Kendrick's "Mortal Man" in TPAB. When shit hits the fan is you still a fan. The song argues that people in general are not black and white in morality and in a sense everyone is flawed. Not gonna say the shit Ameer did is justified and I have nothing but soft feelings for the victims. But to me it sounds like throwing him out of the group for some of the terrible things he has done in the past is too harsh, it doesn't give him a chance to make up for his past actions and it just leads to no one being happy (including victims). I believe there was another way that could have benefitted everyone, but I do understand that Brockhampton is like an incarnation of its fans. If the fans are demanding punishment to Ameer they will listen because they are a group that is born for the fans. Either way, whats done is done and I just hope Ameer doesn't go back to bad habits and can make progress to become a better person.
I’m kinda glad that he got kicked out, after he did leave joba and bearface were given time to shine. And keeping him in would’ve gone against all of what BH stood for. With or without him, BH is still an amazing boy band.. Imma still miss him though.
We cant give a person chance or space to improve? For RCA argument Chris Brown got a contract for all I know... And if this decision was made through fans and media pressure, it is just sad and disappointing. Brockhampton and their fan base have 0% tolerance for such things Ameer had done but the man was reflecting on what he had done. For 3 years he was seeking help and trying to improve. Not just that but if everyone had to face consequences for their action like Ameer, the society today would be so much different. The very reason why America is Great Again.... Right? I am not saying he should be excused from such act but instead of pushing him away completely, a little help could have been much better. He understood where he was wrong and was eager to improve. About not telling the bandmates, some people would've done the same. What are the possibilities of people walking to their mates and confessing about their personal life that had left them disappointed? As for the victims, I am very sorry for what had happened. It would've been much safer and reliable to call legal authorities when things had gone bad. It is unfortunate on what had taken place and I understand your anger and frustration. Is this right tho? Well now he is out, what happened-- happened..... Now many people, like the majority of people wouldn't agree with me but it is okay. We all have our own opinions and reasons. I do not have a specific member I like in the group so I am not throwing my own biases. I hope their regrouping has better turnouts.
i feel like most of the comment section missed the real point of why ameer left the group as stated by them, they were lied to, there was shit that ameer did that he kept hidden from them, things that affected people close to them ( like setting Dom's friend to get robbed ) and possibly other shit this probably hurt their trust towards him, all the boys went through some major shit because of this situation, ameer probably left on his own terms because he knows he fucked up big time
All I think is, it's difficult to make rap music if you have no experience. As a victim as well as someone who acted in a terrible way before. Doesn't he have a right to express himself too ? If he discusses guilt, shame, and hurting people who never deserved it in his verses, is that so hurtful to listen to for his victims ? I know it hurts to see someone who hurt you succeed and get away with it, but as I listen to what he says in his verses, I think Ameer was hurting too, just thinking about all of the terrible things he did. His latest twitter posts were those of someone being eaten alive by guilt. Listenning to Brockhampton has always been a soothing and learning experience wether I was thinking about what I did wrong or the ways someone I cared about hurt me. And that, was because I could see both ends of the spectrum at the same time. Wasn't Notorious B.I.G a life wrecker ? However, him talking about the drug dealer experience made people understand the underlying reasons for it and the way things were going on in his mind... And people still listen to his music. I understand Ameer's case in different and the victims of his behavior are scarred forever, but he is too. And he has a right to have a voice, especially through the "safe space" Brockhampton was. I'm sad and afraid Brockhampton is going to transform into some snowflake complaining group.
I think your opinion in this video is smart. I was actually at the Boston Calling music festival and saw that performance and thought it was still great. Although it was sad to not see ameer there because I myself was a large fan of the “Ameer flow” I kinda get that it needed to happen. Originally i was one of the “people can change” supporters. But i think what you said was correct, any recovery or change he makes would be better outside of the group. That being said, do I think BR is going downhill from here? Not from what I saw at Boston calling. I thought, although emotional, their performance was just as high energy as ever and I think we are gonna see great things from them
I just care about the music, whatever happens in their private lives isnt our business. If all this is true they shouldve contacted the police. With that said obviously they know something we dont about Ameer and if they feel like this was the right step to take then so be it. Its sad but I just wish none of this happened and i really hope eventually Ameer works it out with the group.
Can someone please just explain to me how saying mean things and cheating on someone is enough to Ameer kicked out. Because being 18 and dating a 17 or 16 year old isn't illegal.
Do people understand that people change. Just because he did those things doesn't mean he is the same person now. The victims must've made sure to go public to grab as many eyes on this as possible. Something like this could've easily been resolved behind private doors. What a shitty thing to do to an artist just breaking through. I mean you can just look at his lyrics to see he's fucked up about the "Lies that he's told, and shit he's said". This was a direct attack on Ameers career and character. I still love Brockhampton, but it pains me to see that he's paying for his mistakes with everything.
Abuse can be subjective tho and that's where it becomes a probably. Obviously if someone beats you constantly that's abuse and not up for debate but this "emotional abuse" is so subjective it's hard to understand. For all we know Ameer might have just been a bad boyfriend and some perceive that as an abuser.
I'm devastated that Ameer left Brockhampton but they wouldve just gone against Matt Champions verse in Junky if he stayed but like Ameer was my favorite vocalist. It's such a shame really...
Parvati Villarba Yo nothing against your comment in general I’ve just been meaning to ask someone, why do you guys use the phrase “stans”??? It has a really negative history
What's the negative history? All that I know is that it drives from Em's song. I can see why it's negative though, and been debating wether or not to use it. However, I figured I'd just use it to show the overwhelming amount I support Alfo Media's words and stance.
Parvati Villarba Ok yeah bad history was a really poor way to phrase that, more like negative connotation because of the character like killing his wife for Em and stuff. It’s not like actually bad, I’ve just always found it odd. And yeah forsure I wasn’t calling you out, I’ve just been wondering and I stumbled across a chance to ask so I figured I would
Nah, I get it. Personally, in all honesty, I don't think anyone should stan any person. Because that means no matter what bad thing they did, people would still be behind them. So your point is honestly 100% right. If people say "oh who cares" to you, then they're just too lazy to take action. Stanning has become a cultural thing though, but it's true that it's connotation is toxic af and so are the degrees that it implies. Also, it's good to call people out. How else are we supposed to change society? So I'll take your comment as calling me out, and it's completely right. I just wanted to support Alfo, but I'll try to find a better way to word it. Thanks
The saddest thing to me was when Kevin’s first tweet back was ‘I missed y’all’ and every single reply was ‘kick ameer out’. I just feel like that adds to the negatively and makes it even harder for the group seeing their friend go
I 100% wish this wasn't happening. This was so overdone in my opinion. These things are apart of this mans past. Should we just block everyone out who isn't "perfect"? I am not trying to make abuse seem okay. It's wrong. But at what point does it become the victims fault for never seeking help or forgiveness to their abuser? I'm not saying that any abused victim is at fault for anything but you can't be a victim forever. In my opinion, these girls should have sought out help for their own scars rather than ruin a mans career based on some stupid past mistakes. Throughout all of Saturation you can see Ameer is getting help. He talks about it. He even admits in his lyrics that he has an effed up past. This is just all really unfortunate. Ameer was hands down one of the best in the group. Brockhampton won't be the same without him. Again, no part of me is justifying anything but people are so quick to judge. This man just needed some guidance.
To add to that he said X was a bad person for what id assume are the same reasons as ameer, but Xs girlfriend said she lied about his abuse. So he doesnt check into the things thar make him boycott musicians.
i went to their very very first tour stop of the tour they’re on right now, (the one in clifton park) and being in first row and analyzing every group member, you could clearly see and feel the tension between all group members. i am deeply saddened by what ameer has done, and im glad he left brockhampton. i agree with the moral view on whether continuing to listen to an artist after they’ve been accused of terrible things, even if their art is astounding. i’ve stopped listening to a lot of artists, stopped watching certain films because of this. yes ameer will be missed and did have an impact on brockhampton, but in the long run it’s better he left.
Brockhampton is an anomaly. I can't think of any group who has made 3 great albums in the span of a few months. Especially looking at the fact that they were their first albums. I think there's plenty of time for them to grow and make a better quality product down the road.
This is sad, and this sucks. Brockhampton have lost what made them special to me after this. I can see how they had to do this, but it still sucks. I'm more on the side of art. Art can be appreciated both as a part of the artist and also apart from it. Right now, I can imagine how the members of Brockhampton are probably dealing with this, and it's probably a very sombre and saddening atmosphere. You, and the other fans who were demanding actions from the group as soon as some people on twitter starting making certain accusations was the wrong thing to do. With a complex situation like this, those who pick up their pitchforks before taking some time to think about what actually needs to be done are just going to hurt. And can you expect Brockhamton, as a group, to be totally morally consistent with each other? Is that not akin to ordering them to conform to each other or fail? This whole situation, from the fan reaction and the way it was handled, will create a black hole in the group that will, IMO, slowly consume all the expression and freedom that really made the group shine for me.
VintageLJ Honestly I’m not sure how I will enjoy Puppy as much as the trilogy. BH was about people from all walks of life,and without one that appeals to me like Ameer did I’m not sure how I will like Puppy.
honestly i would think first and foremost that people in a friend group SHOULD be morally consistent and hold the same beliefs generally. being lied to and finding out your friend is an abuser is likely a huge blow personally, not even thinking about 'business decisions' or the art. if you did want to consider the art, then part of brockhampton's art is that they believe in their message and is authentic to this. i'm not personally keen on supporting abusers particularly when one message is being given to fans and then their actions are disingenuous. i do believe in change and improvement, and don't know personally what they decided outside of their message but it's surely not that easy to separate the art from the group, given it reflects their very personal experiences and opinions. part of that is likely why a lot of people are fans of ameer's message too, that it was raw and real.
Kevin and Merlyn are definitely the strongest members. They have so much talent, energy and love to offer. No matter what BROCKHAMPTON will always be my favourite band. The message they stand by is awesome. Excited to see what they can bring in the coming years :)
