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Fr, if you have seen AI generated songs they cannot form any words, they also don't understand the concept of a chorus. So that's all written by a person, and the backing track likely is too
@mi someone made a video on here called “the twitter experience pt 2” and it’s such a good summary to me. It shows both the insane rightwing morons and obnoxious disrespectful leftwing white savior types. On “society” twitter truly either you’re an enemy of black ppl, use black ppl for personal grievances or are a black ppl
@@Rad-Dude63andathird i mean, theres a lot of reasons why free speech is important, but the radical "left" has been using "harrasment", "hate", "cultural appropriation" and so on as a means to "shut down" questioning and opposing viewpoints they dont want to deal with for a while now
This is literally Polar and meka: We’re the first Virtual influencers to exists EVER!! Vocaloid, vtubers, and literally every hologram and virtual concert: Allow us to introduce ourselves
@@ember9361 Breaking news: Vtubers have now spontaneously stopped existing. The reason for this seems to be tracked down to a youtube comment just saying "No" to the concept of vtubers
Watching a little robot man in my phone talk about how much more virtual money he has than me is reminding me we really are living in late stage capitalism.
19:18 This is literally my reaction whenever I see a shirtless man "sexy" like this (I am an asexual lesbian) but in those cases what gets me through it still is the idea that that person has achieved confidence in themself and their body. This isn't even that.
@@Human_85im also asexual and yeah pretty, much. Think about like romantic love and sexual love and just separate them. it's just basically dating someone and just doing romantic things and not really doing as much (or any) sexual activities together.
@@Human_85 Asexual just means "lacking sexual attraction." So there's a wide range of relationships open to an asexual person as long as their partner(s) are okay with them not feeling that attraction. A lot of asexual people have happy and fullfilling romantic relationships. And some asexual people even enjoy sexual relationships (it's not as wild as it sounds. It happens with people who aren't even asexual too. Those "help a buddy out" relationships, are one example). Asexuality is also a spectrum. You have some people who actually do on rare occasion experience sexual attraction, and then you have people who are actually sex repulsed and hate even the idea of it. Basically, the take away is that sexual attraction and romance might generally go together, but not always. 🤷🏻♀️ (There are also the aro/ace folks that are aromantic and asexual. They don't feel romantic attraction or sexual attraction. I know that's not specifically related to your question but it felt wrong not to include.)
hatsune miku and gorillaz have been doing the whole “fictional band/artist” thing for years. this “virtual metaverse artist” stuff is all just buzzwords and the news coverage they get is totally unprecedented
Thank you for mentioning them 👏 Jarvis talked a lot about Hatsune Miku in the last video (as he should! She's iconic and super relevant to all this) but Gorillaz have been doing the virtual band thing incredibly well for yeeeaaars. They even have a mini podcast lol
they've done it so much better too. even gorillaz' early stuff is fantastic, especially compared to these 'metaverse artists'. gorillaz and vocaloid don't need to constantly remind you that 'hey, this is fictional!' because the stuff produced is genuinely great on its own.
What I dont understand is why virtual musicians/influencers still look like humans, like them being virtual gives you all the possibilities in the world, yet they still make them look like people. I probably wouldn’t be interested enough to listen to music by a human virtual rapper, but rap music by an ominous biblically accurate angel? Hell yeah.
the funniest part about these "virtual influencers" is how obviously the creators are trying to recreate hatsune miku without knowing anything about hatsune miku, like they don't understand that her entire appeal is being a vocal synth and think that just getting some random dude to voice the character & then animating on top of it is good enough
i feel like no ones acting like they did it first just doing it ? like sure afew suck but you obviously dont know much about vocaloid to be saying they are all copying hatsune miku cause they arent these ai things are more like gorillaz but its not then its now and things are allowed to change and grow and evolve as genres no ? not every rap song has a shout out to big or pac cause they did rap famously yk its silly they arent even the first no where near the last
@@bodegacat204 the thing is, they're going out of their way to sell it as a revolutionary AI rapper for the Metaverse. It would be far more honest to sell it as an avatar or a virtual rapper, but that wouldn't sound as new and exciting, so they call it AI.
@@bodegacat204 i think you should watch jarvis’ vid about polar if you haven’t, then you’ll see that a bunch of media outlets and the creators are acting like an AI or virtual singer has never been done before
8:05 As a fan of King of the Hill, I’m appalled at the fact a cringe metaverse rapper said this line. Cringe AI rappers should never use the great show in vain.
@@blockytheblock1 no jokes, full honesty, it is a great show. i cant say its "one of the best" (cause idc to rate things that way) but i watched it as a kid and genuinely enjoy seeing it still. that show has something in it others dont and idk what it is
First a Dollar Tree Version of Hatsune Miku, now FN Meka, who looks like Takeshi6ix9ine tried to cosplay Polar who is also trying to cosplay Hatsune Miku, but unlike Polar, he quit halfway through, not 90%.
@@waterwolfyxx727 i think the person who posted this comment meant cosplay only in a dress up sense, not acting like how the character acts (except basically doing what the other does as a “job”). But this is just based off what I know, idk if they were hinting at Miku somehow being racist or something.
My biggest issue is how they ALWAYS try and make the ai "relatable" by talking about how they're not accepted, acting like they're real. League did the same shit with Seraphine, and it was universally disliked.
You nailed it. I would not be surprised if the only people who genuinely liked this are suburban middle-class white dudes who see it as some sort of money opportunity. "Yo bruh, I should make digital rapper NFTs bruh, that would be fire bruh"
the one thing i find rlly annoying about this whole "robot ai influencer" thing is they act like they just invented a new thing when vtubers and vocaloid have existed for YEARS
He’s not even the first “virtual rapper.” Mori Calliope had a huge concert in Tokyo. Gorillaz have had Del as a virtual character on stage and in music videos. This is typical tech bros late to a trend and acting like they invented it so they can make catchy headlines in their friends’ tech magazines.
I love how they're talking about this virtual technology where they project the characters onto reality like it's new as if Gorillaz hasn't been doing that for over 20 years.
And gorillaz has been doing it WELL for over 20 years. These ugly ass models with their tiktok dances can't beat the fully animated videos + lore of gorillaz. Also gorillaz music is actually good.
The term "virtual band" is already a thing. Gorillaz, vocaloids like Hatsune Miku, Studio Killers, even cartoon characters like The Simpsons qualify as virtual bands
this bro !! as someone who's both a vocaloid and gorillaz fan this type of stuff is just straight up annoying. people have been doing this for years, it's just some tech dudes who are just now learning they exist and trying to take all the credit for it
18:18 Literally they’re just splicing together tons of tiny trends, wrap it up in some pretty 3D art, sprinkling a slur in here and there and selling it to kids over tik tok 😂
@@MrZip420 but they didn't create an ai, either. no way fn meka actually has artificial intelligence, and isn't just primarily scripted, animated, and voiced by others.
@@Sam-eu9go yeah sure but that’s only really cool if the person voicing him is black which I don’t know if they still are and there aren’t any concrete answers on whether or not he is powered by AI, the lyrics are generated by AI but it’s never been specified if the ai is the same they claim he’s powered by
I've noticed this with Polar, and I feel that I should mention it: These virtual artists are SO UNEXPRESSIVE. The temporary model I made in VRoid Studio is more expressive than Polar & Meka. While Polar's hair bounces, there is no expression in her face. And for Meka, his braids don't even move, and his movements have no bounce. The clothes (especially the necklace he wears) don't bounce or move with his movement. Not only that, his face feels more like a character suited more for a horror game than an influencer. Emotions are an integral part of who we are. This is why animation places an emphasis on exaggerating the emotions of a character; the facial expression and body language can help the viewer know how the character is feeling in that moment. Especially when the viewer is autistic (including myself), since we often struggle with figuring out how people are feeling when there's either little emotion or none at all visibly shown, the exaggeration that is an essential part of animation helps us know the emotions of the character. I'm aware that I'm being harsh, but as an artist who draws characters and designs them I need to mention these things for those who aren't that familiar with it.
It's why I don't watch vtubers. There's no expression in their faces, the range is so limited! Yeah, nice that their tits are animated to bounce but when the lips just open and close and the rest of the face stays mostly blank, I'm better off just watching a streamer with their camera off.
If I see someone trying to pass something off as a "virtual singer", or a "robot singer", or especially an "AI-powered singer", they'd better be using fucking vocal synthesis! It's so tiring as a vocal synth enthusiast every time I hear about some new "virtual singer" and get excited only for it to turn out to be basically another fucking VTuber. Like, animated musicians/bands are fine and all, Gorillaz is great and Studio Killers is one of my favorite bands; I just hate when people try to trick me into mistaking one for the other.
YOU THERE! I make music and want to do a virtual singer but I songwrite and produce. Can you speak more of this vocal synth sorcery? Is this a bthing people like? Where do I get one?
@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 Vocaloids, my brother! Well, vocaloid has been the name brand standard for many years at least, and it's a recognizable program. There are other voice synthesis programs you could use, though I'm not familiar with all of them. UTAU is a free alternative to vocaloid if you just want to play around with it, and I've heard some stuff produced in SynthV that sounds nearly human.
@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 vocal synths are usually made up with sound libraries/voicebanks that hold samples that are strung together using software and/or ai. available vocal synths vary by software company (yamaha's vocaloid, dreamtomic's synthesizer v, cevio). once purchased or with a trial, notes and lyrics (which may require a special alphabet to input) can be drawn usually into a piano roll. tuning (pitch-bending, dynamics) can then be manually done or done by an ai to make vocals sound different. further processing can be done, as it is all up to the producer. it can be time-consuming, but very rewarding with a unique sound. i'd search up tutorials to get a whole feel on the vocal synth process. as a taste for what vocal synths can do, covers that use solaria are very expressive, and hatsune miku is used in many different vibes since she's the most popular.
Yeah, this couldn’t possibly suck worse: - First and foremost, racism - “Esports” - “Metaverse” - NFTs - Every moonbro buzzword imaginable - Focusing on cheap gimmicks instead of the art
8:11 THIS. idk what it is about it but it literally does activate the red “uh oh” flag in my brain…… as jarvis said, usually it just doesn’t even register (as in, when NORMAL rappers who are REAL PEOPLE say it) but this feels like it’s staring me intently in the eyes… maybe it’s the awkward unnatural-ness of the lyrics and the… everything else… but like fr it’s like a minesweeper flag goes up lmao
I don't understand how these "virtual artists" and metaverse stuff have SO MANY INTERACTIONS. It's absolutely believable that it exists bc the internet has some wild corners, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that MILLIONS of people watch these things and enjoy them. It feels dystopian somehow
Tbh I feel like the majority are botted bc followers (edit: and views) are imo the easiest to fake. While theres ways to fake engagement its at least. not as easy to pass off compared to just plain follower counts (disregarding the quality of follows) That and views are easiest to automate (though to be fair i havent had scripts do stuff like that)
Yeah youre spot on with the minstrel nature of writing a rap then saying "hey black man recite this make us money" this is all sorts of fucked but I doubt anyone besides 10-11 yr old TikTok fans would give this staying power. It's just as corny as Zuckerberg's meta avatars
It always feel so fake because they try rap like the a big rapper not realising the rapper is just being themselves. Just feels like an imitation no substance
I bet those 10-11 year old boys who see this on TikTok are going to think this is the coolest shit ever though. But you're right, it has no staying power; they're gonna age out of thinking this is cool, and this whole project will fade away.
Feels like a convenient way for a studio to have full control over their „artists“ brand, body and being, without those pesky worker‘s rights getting in the way and having to appropriately pay ANYONE in the actual creative process.
6:28 physically cannot get over the fact that the clip of him "producing" is him sliding random things around and then putting them back exactly where they were. that shit is so funny
WHAHWHWHAHWJSBS HE LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE KID SEEING THIS THING FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER HELP ME hes like “woah i wonder what this does!!!” and doesn’t even question why it doesn’t do anything at all, like a younger sibling playing mario kart with you on a controller that isn’t even on
I guess him being a "virtual robot rapper" is just like when fictional characters are robots, like idk, Aigis from Persona 3, who eventually learns what emotions are, and wishes she could be more like a human... hm...
@@RusticRonnieare they not portrayed as cartoon characters though? real people make and sing the music, sure. but the band is portrayed as cartoon characters right?
@@RusticRonniedid you.. watch the video? The music and lyrics are written and produced by real people. Real performers sing/rap “as” him. They basically use the minimalist amount of AI in order to legally claim it as AI, but it is real music produced by real people with an animated character to be the ‘face’ of the music and bring something of interest. It’s much easier to get an ‘AI’ robot to produce a bunch of content than real people so it absolutely makes sense. There’s a lot of talent behind it (as Jarvis often mentioned) but the people who’ve created and manage it are def being misleading in their advertising of this character, and trying to claim it as this new, unheard of thing. When in reality there are multiple ‘bands’ and artists that have been doing this much more creatively, artistically and successfully for many years
calling him an AI robot is hilarious...like, he's nor one or the other😭 he's not artificial intelligence because there's obviously people behind him, and he's not even a physical robot lmaoo
I remember him back in 2019, I honestly thought he was strange but didn't think he'd show up now. His first song was something about the internet I think, something like that. It was taken off of SoundCloud and I didn't know why at the time.
The more I'm hearing about FN Meka, the more it sounds like it's a Gorillaz/VTuber type thing -- there's a real life person singing and doing the mo-cap, but they're acting like they're a virtual character as part of the gimmick. Still on the fence about whether or not FN Meka's lyrics were AI generated (then sung by a human being), but I think that's beside the point. The "virtual rapper" is just a stand-in for a real person. There's nothing new or unique about that, and it kinda frustrates me that they're acting like it's some crazy breakthrough.
I think it's much more likely that FN Meka is created by a team who are paid almost nothing and given few resources. They are relying on the "novelty" as you said of how "new" this idea is. They are not concerned if the animation or music are good.
Yea but also gorillaz has lore and a storyline and a whole reason to be “virtual”. However, this almost just feels like some type of gimmick to popularize the metaverse.
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@@LittleIcarus i hope this is sarcasm lol. Cause otherwise you look dumb. You claim you're an artist but have zero videos or socials with any music on them.
But not virtually. A virtual robot is either redundant or counterintuitive as Jarvis was fuming over lol it’s like, virtual object are digitally encoded objects by default. So, non-physical …physical hardware is just a goofy ah sentence 😫😂💀
@@Bradyboy26 characteristically absolutely. Ai and vtubers are programs nonetheless so that’d be fair to say. Only thing is there’s no indication of physical properties so still doesn’t meet the robotic requirements just quite. Even if they do a live performance it’s not until they meet the physical properties requirements that they are transcended beyond virtual capabilities. I.e. mechatronics, sentient beings, dedicated robots, electrically engineered performers etc
@@MrRedstoneready ah I see. Fair enough. Then again he’s a virtual representation of a robot (like virtually depicting robotic characteristics and qualities). Ig, is that really a true robot? Like is my reflection truly me? Now we’re getting a bit existential Lmaoo but yeah I get ya
I know there’s a million of these comments of people who had this thought way before me, but still actually hearing him describe a cgi artist as “very new and clever” is so bonkers. Even if I wasn’t a big gorillaz, vtuber, vocaloid and etc. fan I couldn’t imagine anyone alive not thinking that is the most brain dead statement on earth
Him always moonwalking means that they don’t have to get the walk cycles right. A hard part of animation is making the feet realistically stick to the ground as you move about. By saying he is moonwalking everywhere they fix this problem. This is also why roller skates/blades are so popular in cheap anime as well.
Hi. Here's a lil tip to all these people tryna create a virtual influencer: Don't just post their music online, post their thoughts as well. No real influencer would just post their music. They'll have thoughts.
AI or not, he’s literally just not a robot. He’s on screens, nothing more. If he was an actual real life robot controlled by AI? That’d be pretty fuckin sick but this is just a downright lie
The thing that makes these ‘ai virtual characters’ different from vocaloids is that it’s clearly a real person singing (not very well might I add) part of what’s so cool about vocaloids being virtual artists is that the computer program itself can sing. It’s super impressive and has a cool effect. Then with gorillaz you have a much more artistic approach with Jamie Hewlet drawing and animating the characters and Damon Albarn making the music. There’s really nothing remarkable about these characters
a note, though, is that most developed voicebanks still have a human touch because of voice providers, but the samples as the voicebank are transformative enough to be a new character/artist :)
The thing is that these virtual artists aren't just trying to capitalize on Hatsune Miku, I think they're also trying to capitalize on Vtubers. The difference between what they're doing and why Hatsune Miku and Vtubers are so popular is because with the latter, everyone is perfectly aware that there are humans behind it, and it's not something they're trying to hide lol, and yet, the "virtual" aspect is still a selling point. Hatsune Miku is not really her own person or anything like that, she is a voice synthesizer, and the appeal has been that vocaloid producers "bring her to life" with their songs. That has been a huge marketing point for vocaloid since the community came into existence, I think. It also has to do with the fact that people like personifying technology. I just wrote about this for school lol, but there was actually a study done about people who own roombas and many of them acted like their roombas had human-like qualities, and some were so attached they even considered them to be on the level of a pet or family member. This information also served as the basis for stuff like Siri and Cortana's personalities. So of course, it works even better with vocaloid because people directly contribute to it and project onto. And as for Vtubers, it's a little different... when Kizuna AI says that she's an AI trying to learn about human culture through content creation, we all know that's just a gimmick, and that's why it's fun. The fact that anything is possible in Vtuber lore, but it's still a regular person making normal, relatable content is a huge part of the appeal. It's just fun to pretend it's real for a bit. I once heard someone compare it to a play, where everyone is going along with the illusion for the performance. Virtual artists like FN Meka and Polar don't have that and so they feel manufactured and uncreative and immediately fail.
These digital guys should probably realize that they are digital beings and don't require modes of transportation. You move effectively at the speed of light bro.
Every time I hear a crypto/NFT bro talk about “blurring lines between the physical and virtual worlds” or whatever their bullshit line is it makes me want to jump out a window
7:08 cool tip, if you Ctrl+click a link it will open it in a new tab. I'd imagine Command+click would do the same thing on a Mac. You can also click the link with the middle mouse button (scroll wheel) to do the same thing.
its so annoying hearing people call something a "virtual singer" when everything about it is human except just the visuals. like its literally just the same thing as The Masked Singer ☠
@@annamelvina216 well Elsa is a character from a movie so, no one would consider her as a virtual singer, but if she was signed to a label, than yeah I think people would consider her a virtual singer.
As someone who's been learning blender for awhile, I definitely agree with Jarvis that the tiktoks are visually impressive but unfortunately feel somewhat souless
@@Duckbusinessman And Blender is an extremely good program for 3D modelling and rendering. I honestly don't get where you are even coming from with your idea that Blender is somehow inferior, because every person I know considers Blender the best program for doing that. Just because it's a free program that anyone can use doesn't mean that it's easy to use, or "unimpressive". And it gets even more complicated once you are no longer just working in Blender, but also with real life video footage. Point being, what are you on about?
@@Ze_eT my point being, I’ve used just about every modeling software even the bad ones. I admit. Blender is still my favorite. But that’s due to simplicity of it and overall charm. (And it’s free) but the truth is, other software can do things blender can, but better and faster. I’ve literally been in animation schools. Sure, blender would’ve been a nice option. But there’s a reason it wasn’t.
As someone who has been involved with the music industry for nearly 11 years, business especially for my recording studio has dropped over the last 5 years because record labels barely have any say these days. When I started working in studios at 15 years old, it was all about how many record sales or downloads from iTunes. I understand the business standpoint of wanting a following in order to sign an act, but I feel like there needs to be some sort of playing field to which a talented artist who has been scouted has that opportunity.
In the 90s, a comic book artist and a musician created a fake band to satirize the manufactured personalities of pop stars, it’s 2022 and record labels are doing the same thing but without any hint of irony or social commentary. They took the creativity and ingenuity that made the Gorillaz so special and replaced it brand appeal. It hurts me that I’ve lived to see the day were an concept as cynical and vapid as Meka can find success in the music industry.
Naw, im happy he said the N word and the black community clapped him! Bye bye to that trash, let actual artist perform, and let Gorillaz reign SUPREME!!!
I can't believe they don't even make these influencers look good or interesting in any way make them actually enjoyable to look at, take advantage of them being digital and just give them a cool artstyle. instead they just look like the least inspired claymation I've ever seen
I think they look like wall advertisements you walk by in a dirty urban landscape. It's this grimy, corporate aesthetic that takes real talent to produce... but isn't made to convey artistic value. It's made to convey monetary value. tl;dr Capitalism. It's the capitalism aesthetic. lol
What really confuses me about this whole thing is, why bother advertising it as an AI? Instead of working your ass off to make it technically fit into that category, just advertise him as an animated musician. That’s a thing that’s been done to great success before. The Gorillas, Hatsune Miku, that sort of thing. This is just combining animated musicians and VTubers. You don’t have to try and spin it as some AI thing.
they dont want to actually put the passion that that kind of thing requires into the work. making good vocaloid music requires passion, and the gorillaz are real musicians who have made amazing art. they want to throw a 3d model over some low quality music and expect it to do as well as miku, when miku is popular because of the passion behind the vocaloid users.
The entire basis for it is market research. Like a word cloud of what's "popular" shoved into a single package. It's the virtual equivalent of an industry plant.
This is why NFTbros are a plague to art and literally everything they touch. They're acting like they invented this concept as if Vocaloids never existed. Even if they did pretend that Japan doesn't exist (why not, they're already racist) there's already so many more examples out there of more interesting, better crafted, and more widely enjoyed "digital" musicians that have made global hits DECADES before these fools. Its kind of depressing actually, it makes the creators of this "rapper" look kind of pathetic. Like they feel they have to rely on hype over substance. Its so uncool its sad. Thanks for taking the time to look into this Jarvis, this information was awful but your commentary helped me get through it.
@@j.r.765 It's soulless. When it comes to actual art, there's usually soul and passion put into crafting it; something NFTs completely lack because 9 times out of 10, they're made by some randomly-generated AI bullshit. It's the same principle that applies to the comic book bubble of the 90s where dipshit investors thought all they had to do was buy multiple variants of covers and they'd appreciate in value... and they never fucking did. It's also a huge part of why nobody fucking likes tech bros; they take age old ideas and think they can sucker people into investing and/or getting hyped into it by slapping some fucking gamer lights on it and calling it a day, even though most of the time the ideas are literally a hundred years old and it never took off for a fucking reason.
I love that Jarvis actually Knows Things about tech so he can properly rip apart why these kinds of things are bullshit. puttin that degree to good use
Well I guess he wasting it because meka is by definition a robot (a machine designed to do a task) whose lyrics are ai generated the only thing that isn't mentioned is that he is virtual Jarvis ignored that because it would nullify his argument that meka isnt a rapper or a robot that sings ai generated lyrics
@@snailsaredumb9412 ‘written by an ai’ like one of those websites that existed for years that write song lyrics for you, that might as well be called ai too since it’s higher quality than this. And even if it is ai generated, whos’ ai? I’m sure as hell these guys did not develop an ai for this soooo they probably owe Google some royalties for writing the songs if they didn’t do it themselves
