I’m happy to see you guys find a distributor, I hope there aren’t any issues with quality in the future and hopefully once production gets rolling and the space grows you’ll find some NA partners!
Cool to see new 2 speed axles. Used to have them on a 1970 International and they were useful. Looking forward to seeing it all together. I think you are building a great truck.
I don’t blame you, a guy can’t wait for years before a factory opens in Canada. As long as the Chinese company stands behind their product then who cares where it’s made 👍
The motorcycle manufacturer KOVE is launching the most anticipated dual sport motorcycle in decades. The bike that every single rider has been asking for, finally we get it, the unicorn. They start at $9,000 which is ridiculously cheap and they already have great reviews. China is a quality up and comer for sure...
Well said. Loads of cool things happening right around us. We need to remind each other to invest in the energy producers so we don't get left out.....and eventually paying high costs of energy. (Back to square one).
I'm so freaking excited to see these trucks on the road. I wanted to invest so bad in your company from the first day you said you wanted to do it and it's awesome to see it happening
@@chickenfishhybrid44 well no portal hubs aren't common at all, but this is something different. This is planetary gears and it doesn't add any clearance.
I'm wondering if in the next 10 to 30 years as the technology progresses and designs are worked out if we don't start seeing trailers with electric drive axles as well that draws power and coolant from the truck so that the load put on the truck drive axles isn't increased nearly as much when compared to empty as it is now
...well a 2 speed diff is a "transmission - per-se, thanks for the tour (hub reduction greatly increases durability of diff centres and central driveline components).
Nice to see a community that appreciates average size beers and a good cigarette.. those axles look awesome. Is that what's planned for the future conversion kits?
Is there any chance the tri drives will have the front drive or rear a liftable tag? Not really doable with drive shafts very easy but it seems you could lift an axle of the ground and cut power to it pretty easy with this set up. Love what your doing. When the the w9 dozer hauler is done , hopefully I can buy an Edison.
You know damn well that this move right here has set the precedent that will dictate where all e-axels are made from here on out. I understand why he made the move, but it still makes me want to puke. Every single day we give our enemy more and more of the western world's power.
@@godstrashman That means Canada is a good investment. Hawaii real estate was Japanese in the 1980s. Hopefully Canada holds onto manufacturing; when manufacturing leaves drug use takes a stronger foothold.
nice; As they are independent axles, you can climb the empty hill in a 8x2 configuration, saving more energy; between wheels can be locked? Greetings from Colombia.
How do the electric motors hold up to the road vibration since there is almost no suspension to help dampen the vibration. Basically, are the motors going to vibrate apart when going down the road?
You ever think about connecting with Grin Technologies in Vancouver? There's not much product overlap but they have been working with Chinese motor suppliers for many years...
"Does it have inter-axle lockers" might not be a relevant question but I would ask if they provide inter-axle traction control? Being able to crawl without one axle spinning wildly on slippery spots does seem relevant, especially in off-road applications.
I hope this works out for you guys I hope you get the equipment to manufacture your own axles and motors,because Canadians build good products China can but as soon as you turn your back they try to slip in cheaper metals and lower quality components
I just watched the secret video. Don't put disc brakes on them. Drums are so much more owner friendly and cheap to repair. With regenerative the brakes will hardly be used so no reason for fancy brakes.
How well do those drive axles stay synchronized together? Speed variation for an on road truck is pretty important for tire wear since they're not mechanically connected.
What do you mean with synchronized? They are electric with a motor each. If you have the same load on the axle and puts the same amount of power in them they have the same amount of tire wear
These types of motors have phase sensors to tell the controller lots of info about the physical rotation of the output shafts etc. Any synchronization would happen at the controller.
I believe the excessive tyre wear is caused by the inter axle drives winding up tension in turns, etc like an old-school 4x4 car does when on a hard surface. Electric axles wouldn't have this problem because they would always have equal driving *force* to each axle - they can't 'wind up' because there is no shaft connecting them.
"Inter axle lockers" is actually where all EV's are falling short. You need to talk to these guys and make sure that you are PUSHING for them to create a "virtual locker" --- so that it sync's the front and rear motors. I've seen on the Rivian that it gets super confused when one axle is spinning or slipping and the other isn't; and it starts freaking out and getting jerky and applying the ABS at random, etc.. They need to make a "virtual locker" so that it simply syncs the motors and stops monitoring the traction control stuff.
Wouldn't mind a second video of y'all exploring. Immediately found some brews and we're drawn in by smoked meats. Canadians in China is a good watch 😂🤘
We have a TON of footage like that! However we are trying to keep this RU-vid channel more professional…. As an editor, I snuck that footage in at the end to see how well it we received. If we had a few more comments asking for some of our fun China footage, we might be able to convince Chace to let me post it!
@@EdisonMotors I can't blame him this company is his life blood clearly. I definitely appreciate the bit at the end though. It's a good reminder that y'all are just like the rest of us and not some big business country club guys.
Honestly, the more vids i see of this process the more impressed i am. While the made in china gives me pause, at the same time if they stand behind the product then whatever. Half the crap i own was made there. I likely wont get in on gen 1 just due to timeing, but id love to get my bullfrog remaned to one of these diesel electrics someday. Likely be perfect for an end dump like my rig which spends as much time on the highway as in the mud and ultra rural areas. Hell ive seen logtrucks confused when my plastic pete follows them down dirt and mud to quarryd. So it would be halarious to see all the very confused looks i get for loving my plastic 579 so much i went through the trouble to not only fix her but make her a hauling monster.
@@EdisonMotors Yup hence why it only gave me pause for a moment. Half the crap under the hood of my truck as is was made in china. So as long as you checked and the product is well made it doesnt really matter where it was made. That said im still intrested in this tech and literally only found you a few days ago. Frankly if it wasnt for the fact my engine just rolled a million and needs a replacment in the next few months due to issues with the block id likely just wait and do the conversion. Never made sense to me why D/E has been ignored as an option so long. It just makes so much more sense then pure EV or pure fueled for most applications especially with modern tech bolsterig it. Oh well with luck ill get in on gen 2 or 3. Just gotta keep my plastic truck chugging along a few more years.
Sounds great and all. Do they use standardized brake drums, bearings, wheel seals? How will you protect the motor cooling hoses at the back of a logging truck? I mean it's pretty hard to keep an axle temp sensor wire connected as is.
Unfortunate that you guys had to get these from China but sometimes that's the only option. I'm pretty excited to see the next truck take shape. I hope you guys sell a bunch of them.
@@SLOCLMBR china entire economy is based on manufacturing. China is the best manufacturer, the only reason why they get a bad name is due to cost cutting forced on by westerners looking for a cheaper product. that and slave labour
1:02 i wonder if you loads are gonna put the boots v motor on top or to the front or rear? I assume that the motor on top would give the best ground clearance?
Fantastic to see your work taking you around the world. These are exciting times. Funny how they don't want you filming in the back....it could upset the actual patent holders. Sucks to be them; oh well.
It’s common in North America too for many companies to limit, restrict. or not allow any filming at all in factories. Even shows like “How It’s Made” have to go through negotiations on where and what they can film when and it is usually scheduled for times when sensitive R&D or new business is being done. Many times this is because the manufacturers would have to obtain permission to allow filming from their customers and that just ends up being more work & responsibility on their end
Oh probably. At least it just bolts up to regular rear end. The electric motor is just a magnet in some copper. But we’ll see what breaks and we need to change
@@EdisonMotors Class 8 eAxle Design Engineer here. The number of potential failure modes for even a simple system like this will make your head spin. Especially if this is a 2 speed system as indicated. I don't know what your commercial agreement with them is, but, if possible, there would be huge value in reviewing their DVP&R (Design Verification Plan and Report) and DFMEA (Design Failure Mode & Effect Analysis) to ensure they are following Engineering/Industry best practices.
@@-Enginerd Mobile application engineer here (integrating eAxles and motors into machines). For sure they will have a fun challenge getting all three axles working together with the same torque and speed in all different drive conditions, a lot of time will be spent on functional safety.
@@brianb-p6586Sorry don't know what was thinking of course need battery for regeneration. How much do you really get thru regeneration. I know used to be with ac forklifts they advertised as regenerating power when slowing which they did but didn't noticeable increase run time. Granted was years ago when worked on them. If used engine sized only to provide maximum power needed under heavy load should still save fuel.
... those are 3 phase motors, three large power cables go to each axle. He mentioned that in an earlier video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dhi04e3ZrgU.html
@@EdisonMotors Precision turbo learned their lesson the hard way with China. They used a Chinese foundry for rough castings with final machining done in the US. Shortly after beginning business with the Chinese foundry, cheap eBay turbo kits popped up all over. The Chinese foundry was making knock-off turbo kits from the Precision tooling. Precision had to end that business relationship pretty quickly.
Oh, China… I hope they tested it well and meet all your requirements… because China manufacturers are incredibly kind when you talk to them and will promise you everything you ask. Then they do what is comfortable to them and not what you actually ask them to do… I am already don’t like this aluminum alloy… Will it last in your off-road conditions? I never saw aluminum alloy used as a bevel pinion housing in large trucks.
@@EdisonMotors how are you going to keep each axle at the same speed and torque? is there a fail safe for one axle that has a speed issue? like will the truck kill power to that axle and let it free wheel in a type of limp mode or will it shut both axles down? just curious on how this will work.
Are these e axel available to the public cause I've been wanting to buy some form of E axel for a smaller truck but none of the other companies I've looked at will sell me one
Depends on what size. There's plenty of small ones available for UTV and golf cart type applications. Should be plenty for pickup truck applications but I haven't seen them for myself.
Be interesting to see if they have sorted their gear hardening Steel quality and lash issues I drove a Chinese pickup a few years back (manual) In all my life ( near 60) I have never drove anything with that much Combined lash without something being broken It's a case of a lil more on every gear and spline That adds up to a lot 4th gear traveling down the rd U back off and it doesn't catch itself There's a gap then go to apply power again and you nearly haftoo book an appointment for motive force Shoddy engineering My employer just bought A press brake with crowning bed The bed was failing new And would not respond 3 tech's later they found it in the bed drive The leadscrew mechanism looked like I'd machined it and I'm a boilermaker It was rough and made from by the look of it soft steel Plus it had not limited itself by switch failure A lil messy it twas It's up and running again For how long is anyone's guess Now it's goin it runs and corrects quite well
The Earth will... 😂 But seriously, the controller will be doing like jmanlinc says, monitoring the sensors on each asked adjusting output to synchronize them. In fact, if one set loses traction, the power can be sent to the other axles far faster than the driver can react and keep the truck moving without much loss since electric motors can react instantly.
I know everyone is upset about the China thing but it's an awsome country. I went in 2016 and 2017 was an awsome time and would love to go back. But the government sucks. Majorly so I doubt I will ever get to go again unless something major happens
Don't think mist people dislike the people or geography so much as the government. The number of on going human rights abuses in that country is staggering.
In terms of EV parts there is nothing wrong with made in China, China is the biggest implementer of EV in the world, probably the most advanced too, the biggest EV manufacturer BYD is also from China too(yup not Tesla)
DIESEL ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVES TRACTION MOTOR CABLES ARE FLEXIBLE COPPER, AND THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THEM, AS LONG AS FINE STRAND CABLING IS USED!! KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!👍👍
I could see the need of shorter wires from the motor to a terminal block for easier replacement after so many hours of use. Be a replaceable item like a belt(it can only flex so many times).
Find some providers in NA as soon as you can once your production starts spooling up. I have seen quality degrade for products coming out of Chinese contract production over time and the number of batches they produce. I would also want to reward the company that did the original engineering maybe from the Tatra designs they may have copied which would lead to one of the Balkan countries or Ukraine.
I am always amazed at the Americans that believe in the made in America sticker on their stuff , Its all made in China and Mexico , the big companies all have divisions in China , making American made stuff . lol
love how its a 2 speed. nobody understands brushless motors or the math behind them but making good hp at low rpm's is incredibly inefficient and damaging to all electrical components involved, a little gearbox for reduction is absolutely necessary for stuff like logging trucks hauling 100k pounds up a mountain at 10 kmh. also what brand if motor is that and what type of motor is that? i mean it sucks that its chinese but what can you do when you start off small? they dont look bad quality, im sure they would be decent at least, cant wait for the day you guys get big enough to get a north american manufacturer to make em, maybe even custom motors!
What are you estimating the all electric range will be on these? I assume it will be mostly for close around town deliveries. Axles look awesome thanks for the update!
the range doesn't matter if you have chargers everywhere. this is why no electric vehicle company will brag about range except tesla (which has it's own supercharger NETWORK) or massive conglomerates with access to "off-brand" charging. what you're asking is like asking Ford how long the model T can travel; everyone in the business knows that the question is related to time and superfluous (disclosure: i'm not even a tesla investor)
It is for a hybrid diesel electric off road semi truck. He hauls things several times larger than a semi truck. On a Tesla model S worth of batteries he get a bit under 2 hours of runtime, then the diesel generator charges it in half an hour. He said if he has a 5 hour mostly downhill haul, he can deliver the load with a full battery without needing to use the generator.
@addicted range does matter because I don't want to have to pay my workers 1 hour every day to sit and wait for the truck to charge so they can get back to town even if there was a charger in the middle of nowhere on the side of the road. They can fill their diesel truck with the slip tank in 5 min.
@@mikegrok that’s pretty darn good I think the hybrid design is definitely the best way to go for this scenario. I was mostly just curious how far it could go.
