Exploring the boundaries of HD Zero and DJI O3 system

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Flying an office park is something many FPV pilots do every weekend, but how far do HDZero and DJI let you push your flying. With loads of concrete, plants, RF interference, etc, this is a surprisingly challenging environment to get solid range with a video system. While this is not a scientific test, I want to show a representative example of the range and penetration of HD Zero and DJI with common/popular setups for the antennas. settings, and power levels.
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@xjet 2 месяца назад

DJI's RF performance is unchallenged. Just a shame they're the Apple of FPV 😕

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

Too true, their proprietary and closed nature really feels out of step with the rest of the FPV hobby. Apple, DJI, and Traxxas. Thank you for the comment Bruce!

@JonFloFPV Месяц назад

Appreciate you taking the time to do this as it helps guide some of my future decisions

@Nathan_Adams Месяц назад

Absolutely. There has never been more good choices when it comes to FPV video. Between Walksnail, DJI, Analog, HDZero, you can find a system for every flight style, drone type, and face fit. That said, I have yet to fly a system that is the best across the board which is why many fly more than one, especially when it comes to whoops.

@JDDupuy 2 месяца назад

The differences in the 2 systems has been made clear time and time again over the past 1 1/2 years +. I fly all 3 HD systems and what and where I intend to fly dictates what quads and goggles I take. And yes antenna selection is key. You will never get the same results with all 3 systems. New comers continue to get confused when buying their 1st HD system and clearly expect the same performance from HD Zero, Walksnail and DJI. They all have their positives and negatives when it comes to features too. One does this while the other one doesn't.

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

100%. It is not like a "Coke & Pepsi" comparison, It is almost like wine vs bourbon, both are adult beverages and both have their place, but they are very different at the same time.

@JDDupuy 2 месяца назад

@@Nathan_AdamsLol thats a great analogy!

@CostaFPV 2 месяца назад

It's definitely a fight between latency x range. Thanks for sharing 🙂👍

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

Thank you 🍻🍻

@ShebanFPV Месяц назад

Great test, thanks very much

@Nathan_Adams 22 дня назад

Thank you, I just finished shooting the follow up videos testing channel range and antenna comparison.

@ShebanFPV 22 дня назад

@@Nathan_Adams thanks, will have a look. I wish they did the new DJI googles 3 using same design as googles 2, I am not a fan on that new forehead system 🙈

@Nathan_Adams 22 дня назад

@@ShebanFPV yeah, it is not nearly as compact as the G2, but the G3 is incredibly comfortable and may be the best fitting goggles DJI has released. You win some, you loose some I guess.

@krish3033 2 месяца назад

If my main concern is penetration and goggle image quality, I grab my Dji goggles and o3 quad. If my main concern is fun, I grab my hdzero goggles and hdzero quad. If my main concern is flight performance, I grab my hdzero goggles and analog quad. I find myself using my Dji gear less and less…I’m much more willing to try new things and take risks with my analog and hdzero quads. I believe the difference is the latency, but replacement cost probably factors in as well.

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

I am feeling the same way. Part is because I am flying whoops more and more (RaceGOW is addicting), part is the simplicity of the smaller drones and being able to sneek in sessions during the average week day. My DJI setup normally comes out on weekends to fly bigger spaces.

@krish3033 2 месяца назад

I’m with you on whoops. Another big factor for me is noise.

@crash_lander 2 месяца назад

Nice comparison man. I recently started flying HDZero and I realized that the trueRC antenna’s are ultra crap. I tried with the Lumenier AXII’s and VAS antenna’s and noticed atleast 30% improvement in the penetration. Im doing some testing on this stuff and I will post a video on my channel within a couple of days.

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

Very nice, I'm curious to see what your results are. At that spot I have tried the Lumenier Axii patch and omni combo, and a vas patch setup on HDZ with very little difference, the VAS had slightly higher penetration if I was starting at the quad through the obstacle, but far worse range once outside the antennas view. If I face the direction I am flying, all setups did get through the parking garage, but not the building. That office park seems to get the best results with a tall antenna omni on the quad and 4 omnis on the goggles. I assume this is because you normally are flying fully around you self so Patch setups are at a disadvantage. The last thing I want to test there is running linear polarized antennas on the goggles or the drone. Since that is the setup the DJI Goggles 2 use (all linear polarized antennas).

@krish3033 2 месяца назад

I have 4x trueRC stubbies, and feel like my range/penetration is pretty good. I’ve also used them on my analog module and thought about buying 2 more as they worked just as well if not better than the diversity set I had been using. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

@@krish3033 I know a few that have that same experience. I am going to try with 4 stubbies and see if that makes a difference.

@noisy_boi_fpv_3920 2 месяца назад

Low latency is king lol. But of course you need to be able to see

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

If you could get both out of the same system, it would be king! 👑 🍻

@mattalford3932 2 месяца назад

The 03 air unit is the clear winner, but it's expensive

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

Yeah, if you are just talking about the video systems it is about a $70 price premium per quad. If you factor in the goggles, HDZero ($600 for goggles, $90 for goggle antennas, $150 for vtx combo) and DJI ($650 for goggles 2 and $220 for O3 Air unit) it is much closer $840 for HDZ and $870 for DJI. But that is ignoring sales, replacement parts if you break a camera, or building more than one drone.

@chrismillersrcfamily 2 месяца назад

Nice testing. I may drop mine down to 25 mbs just to see how it will react. Where I fly the goggle2’s are locked on 50 most the time. HDZ has its place long distance or concrete is just not it. I was going to say” but hey you got low latency”. Sunned to ya also 🤙🏼

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

Yeah, I've done a bunch of long range flying with HDZ and DJI and both perform very well without obstruction. That mid-range with significant obstacles obstructing direct line of sight, the DJI just performs like a freak! I will say the HDZ keeps me coming back because of that latency, and because I can fly whoops with it. 🍻

@chrismillersrcfamily 2 месяца назад

@@Nathan_Adams that’s only reason I wanted HDZ was for the whoops.

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

@@chrismillersrcfamily yeah I love it for 3.5" and whoops. I do hear good things about walksnail too

@grantc8353 2 месяца назад

40mhz bonds more channels together for bandwidth but it means interference is more likely. 20mhz has more channels it can freely hop to that wont overlap but less bandwidth as you will be using a single channel as apposed to multiple bonded ones

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

I assume that it was doing that for more bandwidth, do you know if the channel 1 frequency on 20hz mode is different than channel 1 on 40 Hertz? Still curious why it never climbs above 25 megabits per second.

@grantc8353 2 месяца назад

@@Nathan_Adams 40mhz and higher is better for bandwidth only, not really penetration. You still always have the same amount of channels. 20 uses the standard set which limits to the bandwidth to a single channel but its that single channel is less likely to overlap with a neighbouring channel because it’s likely there channel 6 for example. 40mhz and higher bonds these so channel 1 is actually channel 1, 2, & 3 combined so if you go near interference and that AP is on channel 3 then it will interfere where is if you had the single channel on channel 1 it wouldn’t overlap. The fact when you change to 40mhz you get 50mb makes sense as you can chuck way more down the pipe but at the detriment to maybe hitting a channel that is bonded as you technically now have less free channels. I’d say the only benefit to going to 40mhz is when you know you wont have any interference. 20 mhz is best when you do. It’s the same in WiFi. A dense apartment block might use 20mhz because there will be a lot of other APs broadcasting and using 20mhz gives more channels to use and less likely a neighbour will on same channel. If you used 40mhz in dense environment chances your neighbour is on using that channel as well and it will interfere. Don’t even start with 80mhz lol. When people say you hey 2gb over WiFi they will be using 80mhz which is if you live in the middle of bloody nowhere as the 80mhz channels are bonded so tightly. Search 20mhz and 40mh 5ghz and it will show a chart of what I mean

@grantc8353 2 месяца назад

If you imagine your channels as pipes. All 40mhz does it combine multiple pipes together allowing you to shove more down it but likelihood your neighbour is using one of those pipes you have now combined is higher causing you to have issues.

@barnabysalter3949 2 месяца назад

On your next test, try dropping the transmit power down on hdzero and using r8 to avoid wifi. Higher can actually make things worse because it increases multipathing

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

You read my mind 😂 I was actually thinking of trying every band at that spot to see which was best! Great minds think alike 🍻

@mrmagoo600 Месяц назад

Hey Nate What battery have you settled on for the hd zero goggles and does it last well?

@Nathan_Adams Месяц назад

I am using a 3000mah 4s old flight pack currently and it lasts for a while. I am not 100% on the solution and think it could be better. Once I find a solution I really like, I will share.

@aarondodson1261 2 месяца назад

Is that with the fcc hack

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

Depends on what DJI Goggles you have. Basically you just boot the goggles with a specific text file on the SD card and it will permanently enable more channel and power options. It is worth it regardless. If you want to know more, Joshua Bardwell has an excellent tutorial and if you are on goggles 2 or Integra, Mads Tech has information about the HAM file that will do the same thing.

@KrazyCase_FPV 2 месяца назад

makes me want to cancel my order i currently have in HDzero, i have G2 already. did you unlock 1w and update all firmware?

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

Yes it is unlocked and running on Max, but race one sits next to the Wi-Fi signal band. The environment that I'm flying this in is pretty much as bad as it gets. Left pushed HDZero clean over a mile with nearly no artifacting or break up. And the one thing you definitely can't do at DJI is fly tiny drones like whoops

@KrazyCase_FPV 2 месяца назад

@@Nathan_Adams i did mostly buy HDZ for tiny whooping, but after seeing the pentation tests of a few other videos its pretty disappointing. im sure ill keep them i a collector of FPV stuffs lmao

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

@@KrazyCase_FPV you may also be surprised, especially with the whoops. I flew (accidentally) on 25mw in a local shopping plaza last night and got similar penetration to my Mobula6 analog set to 400mw.

@aarondodson1261 2 месяца назад

The 03 is worth the extra money

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

If you are after penetration and resolution, it is a no brainer.

@aarondodson1261 2 месяца назад

@@Nathan_Adams off course everyone should want that including range

@powersv2 2 месяца назад

Hdzero needs antenna diversity i guess

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

I am going to run the flight again to see if it helps matching all omnis, really curious since @botgrinder had a similar experience.

@tuskentity 2 месяца назад

Nice video.... you need a new drone

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

😂 I have way too many already. Got addicted to building.

@plop386 2 месяца назад

looking at the ttons of link in the description this video is just a commercial :) i wont trust it, but thx

@Nathan_Adams 2 месяца назад

I put links to stuff I use or recommend to others. It is easier than responding to bunch of questions asking about my gear. Outside of the stuff I use, I only link to other videos or other relevant content, and I use bit.ly to ensure security of those links.