Explosive jail call between Lori Vallow Daybell and her sister Summer Shiflet 

Is she on meds?? Because it can make them like that! Something is VERY wrong with her.

​@@DiscernmentNowI think she's a fucked up POS all on her own

@@DiscernmentNow Apparently, she is currently medicated. But, she acted this way before. 🤷‍♀

@@DiscernmentNow I guess that wouldn’t match her church. No alcohol, no drugs,….

It seems like “psychopath” is too soft a word for Lori. Demonic-demon-infested-demon might be closer to to it.

Forget about her. She is pure evil

Lori is a psychopath. Evil.

I hope the jurors are taking notice of that along with the evidence.

Because she’s a psychopath

Yup she's ridiculous

Gaslighting.

yes she is good at gaslighting. Dreadful, callous and cold.

one no emotion and the other wayyyyy too much.

@@irishrepub84 Too much? Two kids were murdered and cut up/burned FFS

​@@irishrepub84 Summer is not showing too much emotion. She just found out that 2 of her family members who she has loved since they were born were murdered by 2 of her other family members who she has loved since the day they were born. It is horrific.

Makes sense. I can see how I would feel like my nephews were my own as well. Anyone that comes from one of my siblings is also my child, very much so. I’d also feel responsible for them.

We need some captioning I can't understand a word that lady says.

She's a Stranger ! A Fost-adopter. This is what Real STRANGER Danger LOOK'S like. Better educate yourselves ,because it will eventually affect you ,and your's.

I thought the person crying was the mother, no tears from the mom.

@@stutzbearcat5624 Hit the closed caption option.

Lori is a monster. She says she was happy 'months after' as some kind of defence. Most mums would be destroyed forever if their kids were murdered. they could never smile again, let alone dance on a beach a couple of months later. She is DISGUSTING.

That poor woman - what a nightmare this situation and especially talking to a brick wall like Lori.

It's very strange Lori's family never noticed when she was growing up she had no natural emotion. That would be a big red flag I would think about a child.

@@ShadowBannedForever how do you know she didn't back then---she may have late onset mental illness

lori is discusting sorry excuse for a human being

And Lori speaks like a psychopath.

And what will Winter, Fall, Autumn & Spring do?????

@@katmartin62 Haha, I was going to say: What will Winter, Spring and Autumn do? F A L L .

The devil set wright in church with whomever he can deviled..her sisters heart is BROKEN. Lorie has been a LIAR all her life..but her family always believed lories lies..

Summer is heartbroken , traumatized beyond repair , so terrified. This is unbelievable how Lori just talks robotically like she’s not human. Not even one sign of emotion . Pure madness. Poor Summer she loved those kids so much and she said I would have taken the kids in should Lori had said she didn’t want them. I really don’t know what to say, like how on earth are they going to find this woman innocent she’s not saying a word or showing any remorse. May god give Summer and the rest of the family strength they truly need the Lords strength. She really loves Lori and is willing to give it all up for her sister.

Her own children 😢 Sorry 😔

"Yeah months later... You think I don't need to get on with life, trying to be happy, trying to find some kind of happiness. You think I want to be alone?" Wow, months later?

Right! As a sister I felt heartbroken for her sister! My pretty average family is a true blessing! I might disagree with my brother and sister's parenting sometimes, but this is a whole-nother level. Summer's visceral anger and emotion is exactly on-point.

《You threw them {the children} away like garbage.》This quote by Shiflet is the one that had the greatest emotional impact for me.

Agreed. While everyone's grieving and mourning, Lori was also busy having Zoom meeting with her dead kids in heaven.

Her own blood 😢

This

Casey Anthony all over again.

I'm in complete tears then and now. !!!!

Even that doesn't deconstruct her denial

She was very calculated so as not to implicate herself . In her mind , if she didn't physically kill her children, then she would get away with it . Sick bitchh .

No mercy whatsoever. But nobody knows what SHE'S been through! Whatever that is, Lori - you're alive and apparently doing ok. Your children however, were treated like trash. You allowed it all, that's obvious. Disgusting.

She's psychopathic

It really is mind blowing!

The amount of narcissistic supply Lori got from her sister kept her going for months!

You think she sounds pure evil ????

@@katmartin62 lori

​@@watchgoose ohh I qgree completely pure evil no remorse

​@@katmartin62 yes

Wanted? She made it happen🤢 Lori sounds deranged. Good on Summer telling Lori about herself. The abundance of Pain that The Daybell couple delivered not only to the 3 they unalived, but their Family’s. I can’t even imagine.

Exactly Nani

Thank God the grandparents and investigators never gave up.

Facts !!

Not true. There was a legal order for Lori yo be arrested if she did not show authorities her kids. Some of the relatives like JJ’s grandfather would have eventually hired a private investigator to find the kids. Lori’s lie of wanting to keep them self would have not worked forever because people know that in order to keep your kids safe the parent has to be present

You know what she wants you to know Summer.

Lori didn't want to let anyone else take the kids because then the money that they were getting from their dad dying, it would have gone to the ppl that were taking care of them! She's a greedy, evil, bìtch!!

Lori and chaddy boy needed the kid's money for their free, fun life in Hawaii.

@@celticfreckles2570 😭😭😭

She got rid of them, so she could cash in on Tylee’s social security cheques, and the money Charles left to JJ. It was about money. They got rid of Tammy for the life insurance.

@@musictomyears6920 these crimes went way beyond money and financial gain. This was the story of two people who were convinced the world was ending, and that they were going to lead the followers of Christ. They felt they had a bigger purpose in their delusion, and crimes were really centered around control, power, money, and sex. Tho two demented people also led others to believe in their delusions, and that there’s more players to this case. I wish it was only about money, but it’s so much more. 🫶

My thoughts too. If anyone was possessed of evil, it was the ones who claimed others were.

Amen

True psychopath!

Yeah, she’s the freakin zombie!

Kids are calling them NCPs , non character player-no soul

She's trying to toss the blame on chad and Alex, no doubt.

There's no physical evidence, on her no direct proof of her murdering anyone if she gets off, and Chad gets the blame I will literally loose my 💩 she has mental issues that's clear it's also clear to me that she has absolutely no feelings no resmorse no response towards anyone's feelings she's 10000 percent guilty ....but the evidence on her is lacking mostly put on chad and that part makes me physically sick .....she knew what she was doing !

It is insanencuz shes insane, cause the devil will find a way to let her go. But I doubt it. Lori to everybody. "u dont know, no one knows" well beeaaaccchh say what happened.

I agree...

Will the jury hear this?

Total lack of empathy. If she was insane and a believer, she would have answered they are better dead, they were zombies and so on.

She barely emotes during this whole call!!! I don't know how someone wouldn't even flinch at someone else's emotional outburst. She's stone cold. Absolutely awful. Poor Summer.

do you honestly think that a person who can slaughter her two kids, tape & chop em up, bbq them and bury them in the back yard is gonna show some empathy for her sister's emotional pain on a phonecall? ? ?

She sounds drugged up

@@sprucetip1495 to me not drugs on her but a sociopath. She reminds me of Chris Watts. Same type of person. The only difference is that she shows herself bubbly and Chris shows himself as the shy guy. Same evil and selfish people without empathy of feelings for any other than themselves.

She's just mentally ill.

Yes, this is how it should sound when children are murdered, burned, bound and then put in the pet cemetery and/or property of their mother’s new husband. Yes, this is how distraught a mother should be - like Summer! Not dancing on a beach after marrying your new husband.

Yes and Lori told Summer that she was smiling on the beach because "it's because it had been months." So she just admitted that she knew. I'm sure that there was more times that she admitted it but that part was pretty damning.

@@katefulmer8595 Yes, agreed. A mom doesn't get over the grief of losing a child in "months". Years later, it's still like a knife cutting through a mother's heart. Months. sheesh. She's so full of it.

@@katefulmer8595 yes but it had only been a little over a month since JJ was murdered and less than 2 weeks since Tammy was murdered!!!

100%. She has basically admitted guilt in this phone call.

My mum and dad lost their first child when she passed away at almost a year old. my mum has never recovered from the loss and my dad is always on the brink of tears because it's hurt them so much and that happened almost 60 years ago. The grief has never left them and never will. Lori and chad have dead hearts because to have the kids and tammy charles killed and not showing any kind of emotion is unbelievable to me. Having a pool party after charles was shot was bad enough but to see them on the beach after the kids and tammy were murdered makes me feel sick

Right?? They were still CHILDREN!!

Some of the testimony so far has elucidated Lori’s feelings (how I understood them was that she felt her children were burdens in one way or another). According to Annie Cushing’s timeline, also, Lori abandoned Tylee as well as JJ during the time she and Charles were heading into divorce/she ran off.

Because that's what you do with your kids! You take care of them their entire life!

No kidding. Their lives were tragically cut short. JJ was only 7!

​@@mraereed Excatly Michell my daughters are 22 & 25 years old and I still to this day worry about them and do for them as much as I can. I'm constantly praying for them to make good choices. ❤

My heart breaks for her. She is the polar opposite of Lori. I wish with all my heart that Lori had given Tylee and JJ to her to raise.

​@DocBree13 JJ should of went to his grandparents,tylee could of but not JJ

Absolutely.

I don't know if Summer found out that Lori behind their sister's death in 1998

​​@@aparnarajeshmygoodness! How? 😮

@@DiscernmentNow Stacy Cox died in 1998 under mysterious circumstances

@@aparnarajesh unreal!

According to custody documents filed by Stacey’s ex husband, she did not take care of herself, or her diabetes. I don’t think her death is that mysterious, my friend’s sister died young for the same reasons, if I’m remembering right. Diabetes can absolutely be fatal if not properly treated and cared for. And according the documents, Stacey was afraid of food and germs, and her daughter was starting to mimic her behaviors, which is why her ex sought custody. I really don’t think Lori was behind her death, is sounded like she did that to herself.

Oh it’s coming she is done I feel that the jury already knows she is guilty

Lori thinks that she's the real victim in all this. She had to be a mother, aww, poor Lori, she's so misunderstood. 😤

I hope she spends the rest of her life in hell.

The world was there and watched her laugh and smile without a care in the world !! Vile!

@@nenej12 , me too!!! I can’t wait for the verdict!

I dunno, I think her betrayal of Tylee and JJ is the deepest. Then Colby. At least her sister has some life experience to kinda frame the world prior to reverberations from the Daybell echo chamber.

@stephb1221 Point well taken! I was thinking from a sibling point of view more, especially from a sisters point of view. Thanks for responding.

@@deebee2709 Absolutely! I feel like we’re all still hugging our way through the horror and shock of this whole thing still, years later. So glad it’s finally trial time, this poor family. 😓

🧊🧊🧊🧊🧊🧊 she's evil

Yep! Summer just became a D3

A zombie in her mind is anyone who questions her sanity. That means all of us 🤷🏽‍♀️

I actually chuckled reading that, and I needed that after listening to such heartbreaking pain!

"um, you expect me to be alone?" The narcissism is off the charts.

and the. Lori has the nerve to say “you don’t think I’m in pain?” Her narcissism knows no bounds

Yup considering how I remember on 20/20 she proudly defended her sister being totally in denial.

and she said "that was months later" She knew they were dead. it's a confession

Exactly!

Seriously!!! 👿

She's like the Hindu Goddess Kali.....the Goddess of Death and Destruction...

Vanessa...ditto.

She is satans daughter !

She was even less with Colby

And I am SO happy that her sister took the opportunity to say everything on her mind. It would be much harder for her in the future if she hadn't.

Me too 💔😥🤲🙏🌎

🙏

Tell that to all the religious leaders and promoters of "God". LOL, I'm sure they'd disagree with you.

@@dustinbarton2337 Be nice!

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall put away the evil from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear". Deuteronomy 21:18-21

I am not religious at all - but I do read about different religions of the world and historical ones also - I prefer to think for myself - however, there is one saying that always has an emotional effect on me, and that is - Jesus said "suffer little children unto me".

Hopefully they will do the right thing 🤞

No doubt they will.

So. Many. People. 😢 gut wrenching phone call

I'm trying to stay away from all of this for my own mental health. This is one of like 3 videos I've watched on this case since the beginning. I was literally thinking I was so grateful to not have to be a juror for this case. I fully believe they'll need therapy after this is over. It's absolutely heartbreaking.

No they won't. They got closure today by finding her 110% GUILTY.

She's truly an evil person, it makes me sick they ruled out the death penalty. She deserves pain like she caused those children and those that love them.

You should see Winter, Spring, Autumn & Fall......

@@katmartin62 grow up, Kitty, this is serious and you’re ‘trying’ to be funny? It is not working.

@@katmartin62 keep your 'jokes' to yourself. This is not a joking matter.smh

Thou shalt not kill evil shrew Laurie. There is photos of there dead bodies she murdered and Charles to

This is the smoking gun! Prosecution is threading up the timeline nicely

Ugh...because she had to move on and be happy 😮

I heard that too. Wow. She slipped up.

Yep there's your smoking gun. Admitted that she knew they were dead 'months' before the wedding. Also, It's only 2 months later. Hardly can be called months. Any normal mother would be the counting days and hours without her children. 😢

Lori & Chad’s website/ podcast entitled 2 many kids-sick!

& she thinks she is winning in court lol her lawyers told her “we’re doing good”

Lori has narcissitic tendencies.

Pure frickin malignant narcissist and pathological liar.

Right no body care what Lori is going thought she deserves it all but not the kids or the others didn't 😢

Good for Summer! Lori deserves the worst.

But, didn’t you hear?? Lori said nobody knows what she’s been through. We weren’t there! How do we know she didn’t sound like that? /S (arcasm). Maybe she did cry for her kids once or twice, to manipulate Dumbell into coming up with more fairytales she loved being the star of.

I commend your close listening.

@@DiorGenealogy Correct, and her sister Summer said that was ok that Alex was killed. That family has serious problems.

Yes I noticed that but Lori’s defence can still argue that she only found out when the children were killed through the discovery documents. It’s still the most terrifying thing ai e heard Lori say though.

@@charlesromney if he murdered two children, I think it’s okay if he’s dead. Even his own sister realizes that. Alex wasn’t going to bring anything positive to the world after what he did.

I caught that too!! WOW!

i have an older sister...i couldnt imagine her doing this and the pain i would have to see this

It's almost unbelievable. I really can't imagine...

I'll never think our family has problems again!! This is something out of a Steven King book, not really life.

I am totally gob smacked😢

I can't even fathom it.

Lori Daybell seems to enjoy hearing the pain of others

She is monster

I don’t hear any rage from the sister but Lori comes across as absolutely vile.

this is a great way to show the narcissism. if u see it written, it cannot be doubted because lori uses vocal inflections as well to attempt manipulating, but if u see it written anyone with a heart would know what time it is.

Yeh, my mother hasn't murdered anybody but this is how our conversations go. Me- you have been giving me the cold shoulder because I tried to discuss something important. Her - the cold shoulder? That's merely your PERCEPTION me - I can show you on my phone, texts unanswered, whatsapps unread! Her -stop attacking me Me- I'm not but these are the facts. Her- oh THE FACTS, please stop attacking me. My brother - you hurt mum. Me - What, she hurt me! Brother - do" the facts" matter? Me - yes Brother - sigh, just apologise to her. Me. Arghghghghgh

@@SusanaXpeace2u Stay away and love them from afar while you spend your time surrounded by people who're actually happy that you're by their side. It's heartbreaking, as you get older, to realize how much time of this life you've been given and is only yours to live, has been wasted in the webs of someone else's manipulation, even if they're family.

She truly needs mental help.

@@chelsieheule4894 she needs an exorcism because she and Chad are the ones that are dark zombies

She needs a firing squad- why waste money on any mental rehabilitation- yes I want revenge. Tylee, JJ, Charles & Tammy deserve not only justice but revenge - they (Whori & Toad) are no longer human

There's a phone call with Colby yelling at his mom too

She doesn't love her sister, any love is dead!

Right? I just can’t imagine. I really can’t.

I’m glad Lori’s family isn’t buying into her lies. How many times have we seen women who kill their children or have a hand in it and their families stand behind those monsters?

​@@Mataylor17I brought me to tears 😢

​@@oneseeker2 Not any longer....

This call is new this hasn’t been put out in public till today

Same’ this is harrowing!

Same here. I feel completely wretched just hearing the horrific pain. It is very very sad.

I’ve never heard either. Intense. Made me cry.🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲

Sociopath narcissist are incapable of any real emotions

You're absolutely correct! My ex husband has APD and NPD and he literally would smirk and get off on causing pain. Narcopaths can only feel excitement and anger but they can't feel any type of emotion. They can only study and copy other people's behaviors in order to appear normal to people outside of their personal life.

Psychopaths and especially narcissists thrive on other peoples hurt. That's why some kill. And power of course. very dangerous people.

Very good points, Lori doesn’t deserve her sister AT ALL

Well said. I never thought about that before, its definitely true.

And yet she showed more care and compassion here to her sister than she did to her own son in that call.

Such harsh truth thrown right at Lori and she has no real emotion about any of it. It's so sad. You can tell the family loved those children.

Yeah. I have one of those sisters too so sad😢

​@@tatianalonghurst5916I'm so sorry. That must be extremely horrible. 😢

Flippant is right.

Well... i don't feel bad for her, because kilking innocent man just to make her sister happy somehow still is ok

​@@susums1117 what are you saying dude?

​@susums111 what are you referring to

@@mzsidehustlemedia Ah, no, I don't have any secret information, I'm just talking about that family's sick dynamics, how they all were covering for Lori till the day kids were found. No one cared about Charles death except Adam and his son and for that reason they were kicked out from family. When I 1st time listened that audio it really is heart breaking, but then I was thinking that they could prevent 4 people death, but they didn't because "Lori is happy", that make me angry. I can't imagine how horrifying were kids last moments.

Cain and Abe

@ashleydavis5557 She was not the first in the family to take a stand. Summer and her mother defended Lori even when it was clear that she was threatening to kill her ex and when she was spiraling out of control. Their other brother repeatedly warned them about Lori and Alex and the mother and Summer decided to cut him off. So I'm so sorry that she finally had to accept the truth, but she didn't care when her brother and sister murdered her ex brother in law.

​@deborahbaker1092 yes, part of her pain is that she was duped. Adam was the first to SEE

Just words with no real feelings.

Colby rightfully flipped out on her too

She always says “You know me” you know me Mel you know me summer she’s a sociopath narcissist. She was trying to move on admitting she knew basically the kids were gone. This is a death penalty case.

It seems to me that Lori had more difficulty pulling that crap on Summer than she did with Colby. With her son, it was like her words had to be accepted as absolute truth!! Summer wasn’t about to let Lori get away with that.

@@BethStoss-zt4dm Yes, it absolutely should be. Maybe they’ll get her in Arizona.

This IS a heartbreaking call.

That’s because you’re a REAL person!

yup i cried too. 47 year old man.

because you're a normal, intelligent person with feelings! How could anyone be not heartbroken about this case :(

Children 😮

I cried because l could feel💙 Tylee 💙 cry 😭… she loved her Mom god bless her precious beautiful soul 💙💙💙💙🙏

@@sst6358 I totally agree! The thought that Tylee over- heard her mother say she was a zombie and she said “not me mom” has been breaking my heart for weeks. I truly cried over this call as well. This is just so awful. I have sisters and I can’t imagine, our kids play together, how can this happen?

Exactly my niece was murdered 9 yrs ago, my sister in law is still grieving to this day, her daughter & only child ripped from her life, she will NEVER EVER be the same, part of her heart died with her daughter. 🥺💔

@@theresacoy9881 🙏🙏❤️

Yes! And its her affirming that she knew the children were dead when she married chad

​@@theresacoy9881 I'm sorry for your loss ❤ my best friend and his girlfriend were murdered on 10/11/16 and his mom has never gotten over it. She's completely broken and I don't think she'll ever get over it 😔

@@CaseyMarie11-11oh my God. That is horrible. Both of them?? No,, parents do not ever really “ heal”. GREIF just becomes a part of you, like a big scar. I’m so sorry. 😢

She is evil. The way she responds to her sister who is clearly distraught and hysterical is chilling. How she says “I’d LOOVE too” in response to Summer saying she has not given any explanations to anyone..? This phone call is so incredibly heartbreaking and also terrifying. It’s astonishing to hear Lori’s lack of any type of emotion. None. I wonder how someone becomes such a monster. What she did or what she “allowed” to be done to her children is demonic. Not to mention the same for Charles and Tammy…just so horrific.

Another "Casy Anthony" type of sociopathic mother, who wants to be kids free and enjoy a "new life".

She's a malignant narcissist all the way. Like her friend said, she's done everything for fame and glory and one day, one way or another, she *will* pay.

Don't forget she kept cashing the kids's social security

Indifferent not indifference.

Yes

Sad 🥺😭

😢

Lori SOOOOO needs the death penalty!

Laurie is the devil himself

True

@@SledDog5678 while I completely agree, if she had gotten the death penalty she would get an automatic appeals and the conviction could possibly be overturned.

💯💯

When she finally screams at her in pure rage it's damn near therapeutic for all of us! "We still wouldn't even know what happened to them because you cut us off. AND NOW YOU EXPECT ME TO BE THERE FOR YOU!? Cut that part of your heart out & burn it, Summer. This Bisch never deserved your love 💔

Beautifully put Grace. As a simple Christian man, this is exactly the type of example that demonstrates how easy a perfect storm can start to brew when ones motivation to stop it from manifesting is no longer a priority. This story is a cautionary tale in which the concoction of an individuals desire for a break or separation from what has been their everyday life & identity mixed w/ absurd levels of manipulation oozing out from every crack it can find & being applied by just about every party involved whether they want to admit it or not. And finally, the application of those dangerous elements at play, ultimately setting a completely new & delusional foundation that on its own is frightening enough considering all things w/in reality increasingly became further & further out of reach. But the moment they all started to insert their religious element into the equation, the recipe for a horrific ending almost seemed all but inevitable. Especially when you had a collective group of ppl all willing to push so much of their regular lives aside in order to essentially participate in a fictional game like obsession that revolved around their already highly religious lives. This was demonstrated in such a way for which their entire basis for spending time together was to practically re-introduce the text & literature of their religious beliefs, but in such a reckless manner for which they created a podcast & often appeared to be searching for ways to recreate the interpretations of its scripture. And as their grasp w/ reality continued to fade away, that gave the opening needed for Chad Daybell to fulfill their needs w/ his own warped & twisted version of the LDS faith that seem to be based more on some modern day video game(s) that kids play, involving zombie like characters & the ability for ur own family to immediately become possessed to the point that the only thing their loved ones can do is murder them for the sake of their child & the safety of everyone around them. Never once ever coming to the realization, that after a handful of murders suddenly seemed to surround them that they themselves in fact were the only demonically possessed forces that surrounded them & their families lives. Instead, they only felt their powers were growing as they continued to systematically eliminate everyone in their current lives that seemed to ironically inconvenience their newly desired path in life. Such a sad sad story.

@J L If I may play at things I only know the bare minimum about, I have my suspicions that for the women, coming from a religion in which a submissive demeanor is praised and questions are not encouraged, to have a man of high status not only elevate their importance I a general way but to give them varying positions of "power" in relation to him and also to past relationships with God, himself was intoxicating. To be given high value and respect while pushing the idea that this makes you closer to God, instead of being against his plan for you had to have felt like freedom in a way. Just what I see...

But, she couldn't get through to her. Sad and tragic.

​@@U2L8 As intelligent and charming as she appears to be, something or somebody infiltrated her thinking. I don't believe the doctrine of the Lord allows random killing, especially your own offspring. War is bad enough and horrific!

That is spot on!

Yes! Summer really roared like a lion for all of us at Lori

Yes thank you Summer. I'm sorry for your families loss. Not only those innocent babies but the sister and brother you once knew. What Alex and Lori are now are not the ones you grew up with. Summer stand your ground for those precious angels whose lives were ended by a pure evil ignorant and ugly human(if you can call Lori human. I doubt she is).

​@@lindacambria5413😊❤

The betrayal is unspeakable. She is the darkness. I'm so sorry. The faith of the people around her is extrodinary. Give them comfort.

Right on Susana!!!

Lori's son Had alot of strong solid things to say...hope you get to listen to him.

She is the farthest thing from a Hero. Every Cox is still in the deepest denial about their family, father and all their sickness.

@@cyntmacz Rather unfair of you to say that. It isn't Summer's or Adam's fault that two of their siblings turned out to be murderous, disgusting creatures. Adam tried his best to support Charles and Summer believed her sister. Everyone, including Kay and Lori stated that Lori was a good mother prior to meeting Chad. This is how Lori presented herself to the outside world and I don't blame Lori's family for not being able to imagine what she would do to her children. I would have defended my siblings too because I could never ever imagine them doing something as horrendous to their own children.

@@cyntmacz Did you listen to the call? She's snapped out if her denial.

So very true. Listening to how Lori responds to her sister's real, raw emotions is absolutely BONE CHILLING.

I’m not a mental health professional but I agree 💯 with your assessment. Lori Vallow is a psychopath IMO. The around 50 plus examples of straight up premeditation I’ve seen in this case is astounding. I honestly get the vibe from Lori in this phone call that she’s more irritated about having to sit through this phone call more than anything else. It’s horrific and terrifying in all honesty. The woman could care less about her kids. Poor summer

You bet. You are so correct

I would love to hear Alex’s side of this. I believe he was a psychopath as well. Being able to murder innocent lives like he did, just because his psychopath sister wanted him to. This world is better off without him, for sure… but I wish he had suffered the way those innocent kids and people did. Interesting though. I’m not a mental health professional either? But in my opinion the psychopathy gene obviously skipped Lori’s sister here. Alex and Lori though, they definitely are psychopaths. There’s no other explanation for their actions and behaviors.

Well said. But I'm not sure the family didn't see oddities with Lori. I listened to a call between Alex's ex wife & a detective discussing how sexual they were w/ each other( as SIBLINGS).🤢 That it was treated as normal behavior in the family, she said that he openly talked about framing Tylee's dad( & her oldest sons dad) by accusing him of sexual molestation so she could get full custody, he admitted to tasing him & said he was going to kill him. This brother/sister bond was off way before Chad came into the picture- they were Evil back then BUT Chad entered the picture, realized she was ignorant, vulnerable, easily swayed, the perfect target for a cult...it takes a special kind of evil to allow someone to indoctrinate so much bull💩 into your brain that you believe your children are either possessed by demons according to this man( who... by the way, is so consumed w/ LUST, let's just call this for what it is- LUST- he had to have her & to do that Charles, Tammy, & the kids had to die- then she was all his, he didn't have to share her) I digressed- anyway the only man God had given the list of the 144,000 people he plans to Rapture out of the over EIGHT BILLION people on the earth...and they just happen to be in a little town in Idaho?? And you are so taken by him you allow him to order your CHILDREN KILLED. 1- the God I serve has plans for FAR more than 144,000 people to be in heaven with him & he certainly hasn't and won't tell any FALSE prophet on earth who those people are... how will you know they are false? When they claim to know when the rapture is coming and who is going... because all we have to do is believe Jesus died for our sins so we didn't have to, that he's coming again one day- to get into heaven. So this doomsday stuff is insane and I've studied Revelations IN DEPTH. She is most definitely a psychopath and he is pathetic. I wish they could get the death penalty. The emotion in this call is GUT-WRENCHING... her sister is completely distraught and Lori has literally ZERO emotion & she is completely competent because she doesn't give ONE SINGLE WORD AWAY- she says the same thing to her sister that she said to Melanie that she said to her son " you KNOW me" oh.... boy DO THEY EVER Lori and so does the rest of the world and so does God... and while Tylee & JJ are sitting at his feet right now... you will NEVER sit there with them- which is what you're counting on/ the Bible speaks of false prophets... I keep forgetting this is the LDS - so they believe they can be prophets... they need to read GODS word, not mans...written thousands of years after Jesus died. I think hell will be hotter for some people. Chad and Lori are 2 of those people.

I have listened to this a half a dozen times, and Lori says I quote.. When Summer says you were smiling on a beach to her, Lori says she deserved to be happy getting married was months later for the kids....... implying she knew where the kids were the entire time......listen to it, she literally admits it. LORI IS A MONSTER AND KNEW WHERE THOSE BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN WERE, I SWEAR I WANT TO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THIS WOMAN SHE IS PURE EVIL..... MY GOD LISTEN TO SUMMER SUFFERING ITS UNBELIEVABLE MY HEART BREAKS FOR HER.

Collecting money for missing children should somehow have a safeguard of sorts....a proof sort of...no children no money....imo

I hope the prosecution uses that in closing arguments

Angela Angela my comment is in re to your comment on collecting the money of the two dead children. Props to the good point of partial motive.

Exactly!! Nothing to do with religion it was all about money and sex

It's all about the money with Lori. Always has been.

Exactly. And my best friend in collage was named Becky, cheers. 😊

This reminds me of a boy I knew in high school. He was the sweetest, most gentle boy. We were friends but changing into something deeper, which I welcomed. He was falling in love with me. Then one day he wasn't in school & we got the news: He'd been arrested for rape. I didn't believe it. Not him. Couldn't be. Then he was convicted & sent to prison. Details of a brutal rape came out. He had used a bottle. And he never denied anything. I was crushed. Still am. How can someone fool everyone so completely? Idk, but the love of my life did. How could he be a totally different person?! Maybe only God knows.

What is also sickening is that Chad made sure her kids were murdered and all along he was protecting his children up to the end transferring money over to them. She's sick for letting that man feed her lies. As the sister said, they would have taken in Tylee and JJ. She is a psychopath.

He tried to warn everyone and her and her mom both made him out to be a bad guy in that interview.

I know. That’s probably the worst part. He knew. He saw that she was dangerous, but no one took him serious.

The LE must be held accountable for Charles. They have his death and all the following deaths on their hands.

Charles' Mormon bishop and law enforcement we're all contacted (for support… What a huge FAIL on their part) by Charles way before Alex murdered him. They should all be held accountable

@@ajensen366 You are so right! From the very VERY, begining before the discovery of murdered children,just hearing that demonic occultism crap of these two Jesus posers,I began shouting from the roof tops and just like Charles there was silence! Why weren't these two charlatans getting called out by those all around them?Lori's blaring contradictions to everything biblical and in your face opposite statements of all Jesus Christ has ever said in the scriptures! I am no Bible scholar but even a child with basic Sunday School verses could see they were evil Liars serving the enemy! I called Lori and Chad out for each public claim they made! The stuff they were publically saying were straight up abominations unto The Lord! Why were all the people around them not standing up and saying to their face" Hey you are of the enemy!" They were allowed in their families and in public meetings even to speak and say whatever against everything and anything Christ like? No one said chit! First of all Lori said she knew when the world would end.Ok,JESUS says "of that day or hour NO ONE knows only MY Father in Heaven, not even all the angels in heaven knows that day! So anyone who reads the Bible should've kicked that witch to the curb,not been entertaining her or having podcasts with her! Or allowing her to have meetings up at their temple. WTH is wrong with all those around these two back then? Second Chad told his wife Tammy "Your dead aunt appears to me and gives me instructions....uh NO!NO,NO,NO! Bible clearly instructs that necromancer ( person communicating with the dead) is an abomination unto God! No child of God is to participate in fortune telling ,anything occultism or necromancer ( which really is just demons who mimic our dead loved ones and deception over all) SO no one at that church ,temple or family or any groups they made these sort of statements knew what God says? Nobody read those parts of God's Word? The ones who didn't call them out are responsible! If they are all ignorant then fine! They need to quit attending meetings and get with God by themselves because if not they are all screwed following that crap Chad and Lori were professing! So in conclusion I have been screaming to all who will listen,since this first was a tiny story and began,I don't care which man made religion you follow,the truth is and was from the get go:that Lori and Chad both are Jesus posers who make me sick,they are just Liars pretending or following demons,but they are 100% totally straight up against all that is Jesus Christ,and WTH is wrong with everyone up at that morman temple( hey I've got good friends who are mornan) but seriously WTH is wrong with everyone all around these two? Was there nobody no where who had ever cracked open a Bible? Did no one know Jesus not even one tiny bit? Allowing them to throw shade on My Lord! They were all calling Him The Savior! And everytime I heard Melanie or any of those evil posers call Him that ,I'm sorry but I had the urge to slap their mouths everytime in interviews when they said 'the Savior"so prettily ,so uppity, so pious! I probably will be sorry and need to repent but it's the truth! I wanted to slap that girls mouth How! How can anyone who loves Jesus allow them to pretend they know anything of Him when they are spouting wicked lies making things up like they know Him!?? From the very begining I was SO PISSED! Such big fat Liars making mumbo jumbo up that was fully against The Most High Creator of all heaven and earth! Yet no one said chit! Silence! While these two profess and carry out the plans of the enemy to steal kill and destroy! They will be held accountable for every word ever spoken! I've researched ALOT of NDE's! We all will be held accountable for sure!

I judged her previously too. I feel bad for doing so.

Agreed

Me too! I was so harsh! Lori is a master manipulator!

Me too

More pain than you will ever see out of Lori.

Sociopath perhaps

full on PSYCHOPATH!! Her cousin, Megan, told about her killing her cat in her interview with Lauren. I knew when I heard she killed the cat she was a psychopath as a young teen...I wonder how many people she has killed or been responsible for their deaths...this is so shocking, disgusting.

Uh I think murdering your children is beyond comprehension but hm ok lmao

@@b2tts41 both are beyond comprehension.

@@Ad-Lo lol not equally tho

That’s why they ran kept saying we know where they are of course she did .. getting their checks murdered her children . Brother , husband , attempted Brandon’s life , No Lori you allowed Chad to control you ! Murdered Tammy as well ! Chads family stupid enough to think Chad is innocent how insane !

Pure Evil 😈

@@morrisonscott702 hi

@@MsTygame Nice to hear from you... how’re you doing?

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I think both Lori's son and sister tried to obtain a confession from her.

What a sociopath

@@Sai-po1fw and the fact that Lori is so guarded, cool and collected shows that she is a sociopath, a calculating killer

@@miam1074 totally agree. Just wrote q comment, she reminds me of Chris Watts. Only difference? She acts bubbly and he seemed to be the shy guy. All masks hidding their selfish being and their total lqck of empqthy and love to anyone but themselves.

But remember summer sent a message and photo to Lori saying her boyfriend wouldn't have missed referring to the attempted murder of Brandon because Alex missed when he shot at Brandon.

This is an amazing conversation.

1000%I'm glad someone told her! I feel this frustrated listening to all her bs and trail

Yes, but sadly it had no effect on Lori. She's incapable of feeling appropriate feelings. She is fantastically frightening.

She doesn't even pretend. She's a shell of a human. The wake of horror she has left behind is the stuff horror movies are made of.

True that she smiled while her children laid buried in her new husband's pig sty! What evil pigs the two of them are!

What they did to these kids😡😡😡😡😡

She's a bona-fide sociopath.

She needs to rot in hell

Soulless, that’s a fact.

Yes, she herself was the dark entity she “ saw” !!

She vowed to stand up for her, if she would explain. Lori is disgusting.

She has a soul, she just gave it to the devil.

Well said.

I think it 100% is Summer got her with that

I just said the same thing!! Yes like when TF did the kids die then

Well, it could have been that chad told her children were with his followers or whatever. I wouldn’t be surprised if her defense would say that - she knew nothing. But she knew. And what about that poor woman, the wife of chad? Or her former husband? RIP all of them. My thinking after watching the interrogation of the deceased girl about the death of her step father she was onto it with her mother, then probably threatened to tell the truth, so off she went. Brother went as well because first he was not her son, second it would be difficult to explain one child is missing and another is not

If the truth would prove her innocence, she would say what happened. She killed them period.

i noticed that too...that she was eloquent in expressing her pain despite her pain....esp. at the end where she says come up with an explanation publicly

This! 100% guilty!

Do we know why she won't talk about it? It is an order from Chad, or is it a legal thing?

I still think they had Alex killed. Him dying is way too big a coincidence.

@@jonnylumberjack6223 I'm sure it was her lawyer, they didn't want her to incriminate herself.

@@SerenDipity64711 several reporters including Nate have spoken to specialists who have stated there is no way to induce the heart condition and subsequent pulmonary embolism's Alex had artificially. I do think that they absolutely were going to kill him, but Karma got him first.

She will get over it. God will give her of His peace. This is a peace that passes all understanding.

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The devil comes to kill , destroy , steal 😢

Heart of stone truly

She's lost her soul.

@@JennyLouLou she has NONE

No way will Lori ever say anything that might suggest she was involved, hence her absolute refusal to talk about it

I was so glad to hear Summer saying the things she did. Made me want to cry!

Lori deserves death penalty. I just heard how the kids were killed. They suffered for hours - JJ at least.

Agree. Praying she gets 2 life sentences ,for both lives she took!

This phone call wrecks me.

Same.

I want to hold her. I know that depth of betrayal; it is black and cold.

Same here in Missouri My heart and soul screams with emotional pain

Remember that Lori only had a psychological breakdown when her best friend publicly stated that she no longer believed she was innocent. Not when the bodies of her children were found. When her bestie stopped buying into her lies.

🎯 my family is dealing with someone like this right now, she thinks she is 'smart', but she's got some SERIOUS SHIT coming her way. soon, very soon

Exactly right! "You know me", Lori says, trying to defend herself. The same line she tried to use on Melanie Gibb, and probably the rest of her "useful idiot" friends. But Summer wouldn't stand for it. Props to Summer!

She's reminds me of "Amazing Amy" in the Book/Movie Gone Girl.

OneMeanArtist Nope not insane, as you said. Just pure evil!