Extreme Bull Commander MINI In-Depth REVIEW!! 

What phone wrist holder do you use? Thinking about getting one.

I agree. Hsiang and Wrong Way! both are probably the best 2 channels.

Out of curiosity, what wheel or wheels were you riding prior. The Commander Mini has been the one I want, but this review has menthinking wait for firmware updates, or possibly go Begode Extreme.

​@willlawson6126 I'm curious about the same. I got a T4 and shopping around again, v14 tho 😮

​@@willlawson6126I'm coming from a Begode RS HS, mostly. I've also owned a 16x, v11, and v12

@@JL-ws1giI’m curious about the InMotion Adventure as well. On the Patton and loving it. T4 looks nice and light on the trails, haven’t ridden it though

It could be light and not be cheap gabage at the same time though.

@@4nlimited3dition_4n3d the benefit is that in an accident it just flexes out of the way instead of breaking.

@@j_a_a Except this is a Begode, lol. It will explode into pieces.

Didn't even ride down any steps! :-D

Yep totally left that out.

it was the stiffest suspension I ever rode! it was why I didn't take it down stairs. It would never bottom out but.. you aren't going to get a lot of help from it either.

That's what the comment section is for 😅

They paid him not to maybe

Now, order a lighter wheel to learn on and put the Extreme in the closet for a few months while you abuse, drop, scrape and grow on a more appropriate learning wheel. The worst thing about reviews of advanced wheels is that they don’t tell you (every fucking time) that these wheels are difficult to learn on and will hurt severely after you fall and it hits your Achilles’ tendon. Everyone gets injured multiple times while learning, and learning on a heavy/powerful wheel is statistically a bad decision. The 16x or V12ht are intermediate level wheels that are good learning machines. The bonus is that you’ll always have a spare wheel to loan to friends or use while repairing your other wheels. Almost everyone who has an advanced wheel also has several intermediate wheels that they are unlikely to dispose of unless upgrading their fleet to more nuanced uses. Getting the latest/greatest wheel (as your first) is almost always regretted by the consumer. Ask your local riders group for advice, those honest with themselves will agree… those who support high performance wheels being used as learning platforms are less trustworthy, which you can discover for yourself. I have multiple top quality mountain bikes that I would never even consider loaning to a friend who is less experienced, not because I care about the bikes but because I wouldn’t screw over a friend whose only mistake is naivety. This is true for every skilled sports equipment that I have ever experienced, and it’s even more so for EUCs. A good used mTen3, v10f or 14d can be found for under $1k (if patient). If I were CEO of one of these EUC companies, I’d limit the speed, power, and number of falls/day allotted through algorithmic restrictions that would lock out usage until the rider was skilled enough to make better decisions for themselves. Until then, I recommend full gear and learning on grass or Astroturf, not only for your physical health but also so you can resell the wheel when the next irresistible option comes to the market. Take all the hype with a grain of salt and listen to those people who don’t have a financial interest in selling you an inappropriate option. Please consider that Reviewers, Entertainers, Resellers and Manufacturers are NOT your friends… treat their advice with suspicion until proven otherwise. There are several good videos by honest people who have made this same mistake and almost all who have posted would have made different decisions after experiencing the trauma, pain and loss of wheel-value of having learned on an inappropriately advanced EUC. Almost no one regrets learning to ride after the initial learning process, so if you don’t permanently injure yourself, welcome to the club.

What a wonderful, thoughtful reply. I live in a place in West Virginia....our population is less than 1000, so finding a used wheel nearby is a no go....I have already tried. I weight about 265-270 and I am 6'1-ish and athletic.....I was afraid that the cheaper wheels wouldn't be able to move me around. The Begode T4 is rated for 300 pounds and the InMotion V12HT only 265. I am afraid of the wheels not having enough power to get me out of danger if needed. Sadly my budget doesn't allow me to buy multiple wheels, I suppose I could learn on a cheaper wheel and then sell to someone local so I could make a riding buddy. Community, should I get the Begode T4 or the InMotion v12? I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THOROUGH RESPONSE!@@grb1969

I second this. I started with V12Ht, and My God, the pain! I could only ride/practice weekends, cause after that, my legs were too sore, beat up (solid bruises from knee down), and tired from the weekends. After 3 weeks I got a used Ninebot A1 for $250 on ebay. 25lbs. Rode it 1 day, and could automatically ride my V12 after that. After 4 weeks, I finally took it on the road, paved, and dirt. Rode for 10 miles that day! I wish I got the Ninebot to learn on first. But I'm 50 years old too, short, and with bad knees. I also got the euc world app. My V12 sounds like a Fatboy Harley, lol

....I forgot to mention that I wouldn't trade that first experience with my 16X for anything in the world.

Begode Extreme or Extreme Bull?

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And it was only 1 knee brace, not 2.

Knee braces are superior to pads in that they help prevent ACL injuries, which is caused by unrestrained twisting on the knee joints. The price is the reason why most people don’t use braces but they are worthwhile if you can afford them. I have both types and prefer the Leatt Dual-Axis when riding casually but use my Asterisk braces when appropriate.

My right knee is worst, so I sometime only wear my right knee brace!

Any answer yet? I'm thinking about making the same change. Are you happy?

Speed above 40 feels sketchy on this wheel, an 18 incher will still be more stable and confident inspiring if you want to reach 50mph

Higher output on paper. Efficiency is very difficult to quantify. On paper, even my S22 should perform better than my Patton. The S22 doesn't even come close.

I still ride the master, and I still find it absolutely amazing. If you are regularly going 70 kph+ for long stretch, there is nothing like it...

If you don't mind doing 50 rather than 55, and if you want all metal durable build like tank rather than plastic with an inferior suspension and exposed mother board in a crash, the Mini will begin to make since.

Check out the Ride One review

i know right. idk why lots of reviewers neverrrrr do a legit, full range test. we always do

With the current designs, all wheels are unstable over 45-50 mph and require high skill levels to even approach these speeds. Better technology is needed to safely ride over 55mph, mainly due to the gyroscopic forces of the motor. An 150mph wheel is possible with current technology but the scale of the market will not yet support the cost. I believe that within 10 years we should see a 100+ mph wheel that is safer than today’s equipment. The eventual market for EUCs will exceed that of cars and bicycles combined and should only be exceeded by the market for clothing, food or shelter, which is why I take the request for an 150mph wheel seriously… that said, wheels that safely travel in excess of 180mph are unlikely to be seen as mass-market consumables for the foreseeable future, even though theoretically possible. The EUC has the potential to outperform all other vehicles currently available but they will have to radically advance the design for this to become realized. I’d have to do some major calculations but today’s tech could safely reach 70mph if (and only if) the total weight were reduced by half and the power was doubled. This is the reason why manufacturers are now focused on bringing smaller high-performance wheels to market… but it’ll probably be a long/slow evolution to get to 70mph. A radical design revolution is necessary to exceed the current limits. {I’ve described this tech elsewhere but I estimate that costs will triple for a doubling of speed at similar safety margins… so it’s still much cheaper than a comparable preforming automobile, and therefore viable.} FYI, the data collected from usage indicates that the current average speed of EUCs is 17mph… so the market has a long way to go before finally making cars and motorcycles obsolete, which is eventually inevitable, imho.

I hope you’re wrong for his sake

@@jontaba80 time will tell.

Are you the gear police? Are you his dad? He's been wearing that helmet for years and is obviously happy with it. Why don't you mind your own business and let him be.

@@MrRich777 because he’s promoting it. I don’t care what he does in his own time, but he’s promoting unsafe gear the people who might not know any better. Bet you didn’t think about that hey….

@@skampstermaybe you should save this comment for the TSG Helmet spammers. That helmet is unsafe for the speeds done on EUC and it’s one of the most popular picks…

Patton is $800 (35%) more from eWheels and $900 (40%) more from eevees versus the Mini's EUCDeals price, although that is with the regular store warranty versus the do-it-yourself parts warranty. Begode Extreme is the same price, but it seems to be meant more as an offroad wheel and there are some complaints about the traction of its tire on street. It's also the difference between a rear mounted air shock and a side mounted oil shock. We'll see how they compare once the reviews are all in.

Patton's battery is also 180 Wh smaller. Both wheels are different enough where I think the buyer can weigh the pros and cons of each.

@@updlate4756 put a street tire on a begode extreme and it will be better than the mini in every way. at least that’s what it looks like to me

Good assessment, as always. 👍

ebikes are generally limited to 28mph, EUCs blow them out of the water in terms of performance. Get a motorcycle if you want to ride 70+

I bet you can jump off from 50Mph running wheel and landed on your feet with a smile since that speed is a "toys" for you.

@@KhairulKlang you can tell this guy doesn't ride lol. Even like 30mph on a one wheeled device held between your legs isn't "fun," it's like nothing you've ever experienced before. If you're hitting 50, that's not a toy that's a way of life for you hahah