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Falcon 4 BMS Tutorial Going Defensive, Missile + AAA Evasion and Defense 

Krause
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1:18 Types of threats and defenses
2:38 Concept of anti-aircraft artillery
4:14 In game: Defending AAA
7:41 Concept of radar guided missiles
9:55 Semi-Active missile defense vs aa-10a alamo
15:34 Semi-active missile defense theory continued
16:02 Active missile defense vs aa-12 adder
21:48 Semi-active SAM defense, sustained turn and basics
25:14 Kinetic missile defense
27:25 Overview and concept of masking and weapon envelope exit
29:05 Masking and weapon envelope exit defense
34:44 Heat seeking infrared missile concept
38:13 Heat seeking missile defense vs AA-11 archer
41:27 Defending manpads and threats below 15,000 (OCA strike)
45:33 Concept of ground fire
46:51 Proper ground attack while avoiding ground fire
52:24 Principles of Defense and conclusion
Threat guide:
www.krauselabs.net/dump/f4_thr...
Radar warning receiver (RWR) tutorial:
• Falcon 4 BMS Tutorials...
DISCLAIMER:
Just so it's understood, I made this video on realistic concepts of defending threats - there are some bugs/design issues in BMS which will contradict some specific examples. For instance, currently optical and radar guided AAA are equally as deadly and have no difference - regardless, the threat defense is the same, and you should train realistically. I made this video to show basic concepts of defense, not specific cases for the particular BMS version used in this video.
I also want to stress, as I mention in the video at several points, that this video is a demonstration of defense procedures against specific threat scenarios. You should not go out of your way to kinetically defeat a SAM when you can do a sustained turn away from it or drag it. Please keep this in mind as you watch - all of these scenarios assume you have been fired on, regardless of reason, but the wisest defender avoids the threat BEFORE it fires. I havn't had to defend an active missile launch in months of play - because I know when to go defensive and when to avoid a threat. Reading the RWR properly is key.

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Комментарии : 143   
@snras4927
@snras4927 10 лет назад
you have the best tutorials out on the internet man, amen
@Cameron_the_Robot
@Cameron_the_Robot 4 месяца назад
Many years later, still a great tutorial sir.
@mikavaliaho7143
@mikavaliaho7143 5 лет назад
Still excelent tutorial. Got back to flying again. This time in dcs, but this vid has it all so it's really best for learning all aspects of missile avoidance. Haven't found any tutorial which would handle this matter as extensive as this one. Nice job Krause.
@blz346
@blz346 12 лет назад
This is your best work yet. Thank you for all the effort and time you've put in--every bms newbie appreciates it!
@MistorGator13
@MistorGator13 2 года назад
We do!
@paedrufernando2351
@paedrufernando2351 3 года назад
This one hour saved my gaming life in sims...thank you
@raf444
@raf444 12 лет назад
Without a doubt the best tutorial you made so far
@joshuathomas149
@joshuathomas149 10 лет назад
What a awesome instructional video! Thanks for making it.
@Cyclist2012
@Cyclist2012 7 лет назад
Awesome Hour Spent, Thanks Krause!
@PrimalBlueWolf
@PrimalBlueWolf 12 лет назад
Beaming the missile refers to putting the missile on your 3-9 line, to drag it, to make it expend the maximum energy to fly to you. the missile will try to fly to you as quick as possible, by flying a lead pursuit course. this helps.
@ghostdog688
@ghostdog688 12 лет назад
outstanding, krause. Just what 've been looking forward. I consider your BMS vids required viewing for anyone getting into BMS.
@TakeVI
@TakeVI 12 лет назад
Great job. This will become a classic training video.
@Corsair8X
@Corsair8X 12 лет назад
Quite clear, yes. That was the biggest "a-ha" moment in this video. Tooling around at stupid altitudes, not beaming someone as I'm approaching, etc. I was interested in this video because of all the trouble I would get I to. At the end of the video, I had a better understanding as to *why* I was getting into trouble in the first place. Now I have a better understanding of how to get out of trouble, but *even more* about staying out of trouble.
@cyborg7758
@cyborg7758 5 лет назад
Very nice tutorial. You are a good teacher
@MustNotRead
@MustNotRead 12 лет назад
great use of additional media. helps illustrate stuff. quality, thanks!
@Csilk
@Csilk 12 лет назад
legendary video man, the principles of defense at the end is nicely said, all very nice wisdom to spread and share with everyone.
@amos2006
@amos2006 12 лет назад
Excellent, i've been waiting for this, thank you very much
@SPBurt1
@SPBurt1 9 лет назад
Thank you for the very informative video.
@deflyboyreturns
@deflyboyreturns 11 лет назад
I really appreciate your videos man. Thank you.
@MistorGator13
@MistorGator13 2 года назад
Yeah Krause..... it's helpful. I THINK you KNOW that!!! We kinda NEED ya man!
@Corsair8X
@Corsair8X 12 лет назад
Great concepts here that I have always had troube with
@33skoalbandit
@33skoalbandit 12 лет назад
This is just fantastic, thanks.
@lucasjm123
@lucasjm123 12 лет назад
The first step to sucessfully finish a mission is to survive. Very very good! Thanks, it will help me a lot!!!
@zegato19
@zegato19 9 лет назад
AMAZING!!! GREAT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Corsair8X
@Corsair8X 12 лет назад
Sorry, hit send by accident... Great concepts here that I always had trouble with. Now some things are a lot clearer - especially the "what not to do's". As someone else said, great use of additional materials to illustrate your point.
@Duke49th
@Duke49th 12 лет назад
Nice Tutorial :)
@danielinokoba5655
@danielinokoba5655 7 лет назад
men you are good awesome video learn alot for your channel
@Equilibrium9415
@Equilibrium9415 12 лет назад
Thanks for all the efforts! Especially for the "Archer & Adder-Defense for Dummies"-Part. I can finally dogfight something more interesting than a MiG-23 with heaters properly. ;) Cheers! -Spooky, 1st VFW
@GZA036
@GZA036 8 лет назад
44:58 I read that the doctrine with BLU-107's and runways was NOT to attack directly down the axis of the runway, since that's what the enemy would be expecting. Instead the strategy was to hit it at a random angle and aim for an intersection
@lupahole
@lupahole 9 лет назад
Nice vid, a side note, IF BY MISTAKE you get closer than 10miles against anything archer capable, cut your engines to idle no later than 7 miles. This will decrease the range they can shoot you at to about 2 miles, propably less, making head on evasion with brake+flares easier. Check in dogfight mode with acmi reviewing. Also, always make sure you are lower than him so that his seeker looks at the ground, this plays a big difference.
@PLatMed
@PLatMed 11 лет назад
thanks, really helpful!
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
If you're talking about active missile carrying aircraft, fire a fox 3 long, notch away so they are on the beam, then once the missile goes pitbull act as if you have been fired upon even if you don't see the M or hear a launch tone.
@Istari0825
@Istari0825 11 лет назад
nice video
@-_Nuke_-
@-_Nuke_- 6 лет назад
I give you 10 lives for this video!
@VeteransGaming
@VeteransGaming 12 лет назад
nice vid
@Csilk
@Csilk 12 лет назад
nice thank you.
@patrikrenmark
@patrikrenmark 12 лет назад
Great tutorial again Tanit, Thanks! But are the sounds from your RWR the original BMS ones?
@johnnyblaze410
@johnnyblaze410 12 лет назад
@tanit Thanks for the advice. I've been enjoying watching you guys fly as much as flying by myself. So I've been thinking about possibly trying out for a virtual flight squad sometime in the future and my question is that do you have a squad or you just fly with friends? What would it take to fly with you guys?
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
@Corsair8X Yeah I hope the "what not do" came across clear enough, a lot of the situations in this video I put myself in in order to demonstrate a defense, but the best defense is knowing how to avoid these threats before they fire on you and put you in a compromising situation. I hope it's clear that you should not go out of your way to kinetically defeat a SAM, and it's much better to be fired on at long range and then do sustained terms or to avoid it all together.
@revious83
@revious83 12 лет назад
Nice Tutorial! Do these tactics work in other flight sims, like Lockon FC2 or the Strike Fighters Series?
@sjos691
@sjos691 4 года назад
How do you get the HMCS to lock onto the missile, so you can see it. Like at 25:59
@DEViANCEHiPPO
@DEViANCEHiPPO 10 лет назад
What is changing aspect exactly? Sorry if it's a stupid question ;)
@xKil53Lx
@xKil53Lx 12 лет назад
Great tutorial! One question hot do you use tactical view like in 22:57?
@PrimalBlueWolf
@PrimalBlueWolf 12 лет назад
do all missiles have an effective HOJ mode? also I was advised that the yellow chevron on the FCR refers to a jamming contact. correct? is there any missile which a jamming pod can affect?
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
@johnnyblaze410 about 10-20% of your total. You should be able to run a program 5-6 times before you are out. That being said, some systems are highly susceptible to countermeasures and you won't need as much. An SA-7 can be reasonably defeated by 1-2 flares, but an SA-16/SA-14/AA-11 require 5-8 flares. Check out the PDF guide in the video description for specifics on each system. When in doubt, dump more.
@ghassenebelhaj3807
@ghassenebelhaj3807 10 лет назад
Awsome guide mate, just one question, Which missile has the longer range, the adder or the Aim-120? and can the ECM jammer limit the adder tracking time while active?
@tanit
@tanit 10 лет назад
The adder outranges the aim120 but the adder has a longer support range and does not have independent guidance before it goes fully active. Ecm will delay the enemy from being able to shoot you but jammer itself cannot defeat the missile.
12 лет назад
@patsplats Tanit you have any tutorial on Bullseye? I can not understand this reference.
@MegaFalcon16
@MegaFalcon16 11 лет назад
Dude u rock. massive help! may have to look nto getting BMS. The radar on AF seems to be incredibly unreliable.
@Equilibrium9415
@Equilibrium9415 12 лет назад
So should I rather try an Off-Boresight HMCS Shot once I'm somewhat in range and run? Similar to the BVR tactics?
@kk34253
@kk34253 12 лет назад
did you use any mod for the displays at 51:05 and TAC view?
@mickellemastra
@mickellemastra 12 лет назад
Tanit, at 38.00 against all aspect when u turn away and dropping flares, u have to close afterburner? When you flight on a coop mission against other teams, how do u know how much all aspect missiles your enemy have?
@ZaidAlKalaldeh
@ZaidAlKalaldeh 9 лет назад
chaff vulnerability ,it means that the ability of aircraft to avoid the sam by chaff is medium ? or the ability of sam to avoid chaff is medium ?
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
Depends what sort of missile you are talking about. Did you fire a rear aspect heater like the aim-9p at him? If so, that's why.
12 лет назад
Tanit you have any tutorial on Bullseye? I can not understand this reference.
@633striker
@633striker 12 лет назад
@tanit U R A GENIUS! \m/ \m/ R.E.S.P.E.C.T!
@ZaidAlKalaldeh
@ZaidAlKalaldeh 11 лет назад
i wanna ask please answer me...how i can know from which side the rocket come to me not the radar one ..i mean sidewinder ..ect
@johnnyblaze410
@johnnyblaze410 12 лет назад
Nice vid, Krause. Could you be more specific on "large amount of flares/chaff"? I mean how much is enough? Thanks
@BigMobe
@BigMobe 12 лет назад
For some reason the first thing that came to mind when I saw this video, was the rabbit from Star Fox saying "Do a barrel roll."
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
@patsplats You need to configure your data cartridge. See my data cartridge and controls tutorial. The CMS switch will do nothing until you configure countermeasure programs via the cartridge.
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
I would say tone is the most important factor in a fox2 kill, if it's inside the DLZ and you have good tone, might as well fire.
@mqr507
@mqr507 7 лет назад
How do you defend against an Alamo or Adder if you don't have the altitude to perform a split-s? Is notching a good idea?
@tanit
@tanit 7 лет назад
Raza break turn away from the missile after notching
@RioFalconBmsBrasil
@RioFalconBmsBrasil 10 лет назад
Hello!! Thank you for helping us!! Let me ask you something: When I'm approaching the enemy area, should i turn my radar to silence? Does it influence anything? Can i turn my jammer on with radar on silence mode? Thank you!
@tanit
@tanit 10 лет назад
Radar will allow you to be seen by other radars at longer distances. You can turn your jammer on while the radar is silent - it's an independent system. Ultimately your jammer should be off if you are attempting to infiltrate enemy air space as it will give you a bigger radar "footprint". If you get jumped by enemy turn it back on.
@PrimalBlueWolf
@PrimalBlueWolf 12 лет назад
Tanit, you claim that the ALQ-131 or 184 only serve to decrease the range at which you can be acquired by radar platforms? and that they will not affect Missiles in the air, just being acquired by radar platforms? is there any associated HUD or MFD symbology related to the Jamming pod?
@Unwinder66
@Unwinder66 12 лет назад
Nice tuto but what about face to face dogfight when you fire a missile and the opponent too but you don't want to do an half turn? like a recent pvp dogfight i made, i fly the M2K vs a F16B52, and i shoot my missiles "EM" and my opponent do the same, i do an half turn for escape but he continued straight ahead an dodge my missiles how did he do this?
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
@SPORThbb bullseye is an arbitrary position in a theater chosen by the theater commanders, all positions are referred to in reference to the bullseye: bullseye (bearing to) for (range to) Commonly referred to in a BRAA (pronounced "brah") call. Bearing Range (both to bullseye) Altitude Attitude, i.e. bulls 048 for 63, 22,000, hot.
@davideroversi702
@davideroversi702 10 лет назад
Awesome video man! Just a question: if I'm facing a mig 29 (he's coming directly at me at my 12 o'clock) and I'm going to engage a dogfight, what's the best thing to do? Activating the jammer and locking on him with heatseekers? locking him with aim 120s? Just putting him on beam, deploying countermeasures, doing a Split-s and burning away? And if I have to do all these things, which is the best order to win the dogfight? Thanks a lot! P.s sorry for my English, if there's something wrong. I hope you understand :)
@tanit
@tanit 10 лет назад
IF you are certain it's a mig-29A go head on, gain speed and fire a fox-3 medium. If you think it may be a su-27 or mig-29s, both of which have dangerous long range radar missiles, do a fox 3 long then notch away from them. Put them on the gimbal limits of your radar until pitbull, then go defensive.
@davideroversi702
@davideroversi702 10 лет назад
Ok thanks a lot
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
Don't try to visually spot them first, do a defensive maneuver and create as much space as possible as in the video. You can worry about spotting once the missile is behind the 3/9 line in order to drag it more effectively - but any seconds you waste flying toward the missile increase the chance of probability of kill substantially.
@mohsinraza8160
@mohsinraza8160 4 года назад
Please describe the different sounds.
@nihao123456ftw
@nihao123456ftw 7 лет назад
i found this video randomly on the google my poor little brain hurts
@nihao123456ftw
@nihao123456ftw 7 лет назад
this is reallt interesting though
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
Yes.
@KFieLdGaming
@KFieLdGaming 7 лет назад
Can anyone explain to me what the green/yellow/red icons are that appear to the left/right of the HUD are? On those vertical light "pods". Don't know what they're called and this is one area of the F-16 cockpit I've always been curious about. I know most of the other systems and what they do or represent, but not these. What do those icons mean? Does it have something to do with angle of attack levels?
@tanit
@tanit 7 лет назад
Fifty0ne angle of attack indicator
@PrimalBlueWolf
@PrimalBlueWolf 7 лет назад
They are called 'indexers'. The one on the left is a rough AoA indicator. The green circle means you are at approximately 13 degrees alpha. Red is over 13 degrees, yellow is less than 12. The right indexer displays various indications, such as having an open AAR door, having an AAR disconnect, or having NWS active.
@mqr507
@mqr507 6 лет назад
Fifty0ne basically when your landing, if the lower light is lit you need to increase AoA (decrease speed) and if the upper light is lit you need to decrease AoA (increase speed)
@Ghillie1337
@Ghillie1337 11 лет назад
how do i apply chaff?
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
@Corsair8X In other words, I did not go over "tactics" that much in this video - because it's such a huge topic. It just assumes that you have been fired on for whatever reason and should respond accordingly.
@mickellemastra
@mickellemastra 12 лет назад
Nice tut, but why we dont need ECM against radar guided missiles?
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
The gamey way is to use padlocking (4 on your keyboard) or to use the incoming missile cam - the realistic way is to do be conservative - be defensive for as long as possible. At what range are the migs firing at you? if they are close, weaving and dragging is not the correct defense- break turn + counter measures is.
@hmuphilly9129
@hmuphilly9129 3 года назад
Where can i find this game?
@waffamoto
@waffamoto 11 лет назад
IR missiles (such as Sidewinders) are passive missiles; that is, there are no radar emissions required by the aircraft or generated by the missile itself in order to lock. This makes sense because IR seekers absorb heat energy (instead of emitting radio energy) to find its target. As such, there are no radio waves for the RWR to absorb and therefore no instrumental way to detect IR missiles. Awareness is the best detector. Wikipedia has a decent enough missile guidance systems article.
@Equilibrium9415
@Equilibrium9415 12 лет назад
I know how to deal with Adders, won plenty of BVR engagements, no worries. ;) What I mean is with Sidewinder X vs Archer - Should I try an early off-boresight shot when somewhat within the DLZ and then rush away just like it was an Adder? As in doing a preventive Split-S and Flaring like a nerd?
@MrSephiroth85
@MrSephiroth85 11 лет назад
from what site pleas? PB?
@kanskejonasidag1
@kanskejonasidag1 9 лет назад
So "putting him on the beam" basically means positioning yourself in a certain angle towards him? (10 and 2 o'clock)? But you still have to have him at your 12 to fire your amraam right? Also, "burn", does that mean afterburners? Cause you seemed to turn a lot when you were supposed to burn, and that doesn't add up. Anyway, thanks for the video. I don't play this, but I'm very interested in how modern aircombat works :)
@wax88
@wax88 9 лет назад
Yes, you fire the 120 by aiming at him, but notice that he beams right after he launches and then going into a split-S after that.Also, I think by "burn", he refers to "turn and burn" as in turning rapidly.
@Android811
@Android811 7 лет назад
The beam is 3 or 9 o'clock, (right angles) it's an old nautical term. Turning in an aircraft uses up energy, (reduces speed) so you counteract it by increasing throttle.
@AmruMagdy
@AmruMagdy 3 месяца назад
الله 👌💯
@TheFietek
@TheFietek 10 лет назад
What's the Website at 28:12? Looks great!
@tanit
@tanit 10 лет назад
That's the threat guide linked in the description.
@robertchevli1302
@robertchevli1302 5 лет назад
SA2 is not semi active guidance, it's COMMAND line of sight, or COMMAND onto LOS depending on missile firing mode
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
In any sim which is realistic, yes.
@angel_machariel
@angel_machariel 12 лет назад
Cool story bro. Puncuationis would help.
@TheSateef
@TheSateef 10 лет назад
awesome video, i'll have to watch this 10x times to learn all this stuff. but that voice "betty". that's just too much 'chafe flare, altitude, pull up, etc, etc, etc), how do you turn down the volume on all that?
@tanit
@tanit 10 лет назад
You don't.
@callsignfreckles2979
@callsignfreckles2979 5 лет назад
@Krause good answer lol (you can, but. Don't. Lol)
@tanit
@tanit 11 лет назад
Newer RWRs such as the AN/ALQ-156 actually have a MAW (missle approach warning) system, that can track launches by their flash or actually using a doppler beam radar. DCS a-10c models this where there is an indication and track of an incoming IR missile. Unfortunately the "launch" indication is very unreliable from what I have read, and most a-10 pilots ignore it, as it can be indicated from bright reflections off windows etc.
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
No, you probably just had an aspect change and that's why it lost the lock. If you were flying level and turned on your jammer, and it broke lock, I would like to see footage/acmi of that.
@moneyeye24
@moneyeye24 2 года назад
Is it realistic to kinetically outrun a missile? and even the missile misses the 1st time, it will steer to chase the pilot in real life. What would you say the realistic possibility to successfully escape from a missile in real air combats?
@tanit
@tanit 2 года назад
At range yes
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
Uhm if he flew right into the missile, no idea how he survived. There is a chance you can avoid missiles at any range by rolling - but its a small chance. There is also Doppler beam defense, but it's extremely hard to perform and still requires some lateral turning.
@Csilk
@Csilk 12 лет назад
tanit explain a doppler beam defense as there is no reference to this anywhere on the internet.
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
Oh woops didn't see you said Archer in the original comment. Uhm, my recommendation would be to 1. Stay outside of fox 2 envelope if possible and kill with FOX 3 2. If in envelope, maintain constant visual contact on the bandit 3. Fire fox2 as quickly as possible when you have good tone and beam, re-attack if necessary 4. Generously pop defensive flares, both preemptively and a ton of flares when you lose visual on the contact
@1minecraftcool
@1minecraftcool 11 лет назад
hey dude, i think your realy good! U can play very well, You just urned ur self 1 more subscriber Btw: R u a piolet?
@stefanogrillo6040
@stefanogrillo6040 6 лет назад
did you studied evasive manuver??
@TaiganTundra
@TaiganTundra 5 лет назад
Did you study grammar?
@tanit
@tanit 12 лет назад
@johnnyblaze410 google united operations - go to our forum, go to united operations air force. We fly every weekend, usually saturday, at 2000 GMT, have pickup games at random times through the week and have occasional special training sessions. IN order to fly with us you must be able to take off, fly off someone's wing, do CCIP bombing and fire air to air missiles.
@thebrain7441
@thebrain7441 7 лет назад
When defending against missiles make no mistake, speed is your greatest asset, chaff and flares don't even come close, at least in my experience in BMS.
@nitaihativa213
@nitaihativa213 8 лет назад
I'm haveing real trubole detecting patriot launches in the isreali theater, keep getting shot out of the sky out of nowhere at 25000ft by them :( any help? I did try to follow the video as much as I could but I still get shot...
@nitaihativa213
@nitaihativa213 8 лет назад
it happens to me at all sorts of ranges and in any alt, and the tone on the rwr never changes from the initial contact, it's really wierd to me. we are talking about pop - up threats thougth...
@tanit
@tanit 7 лет назад
IF you have a patriot RWR you should assume you have been fired on, go defensive immediately by performing a split-s and if its close, immediate nose low dive to NOE and terrain mask.
@nitaihativa213
@nitaihativa213 7 лет назад
Krause i'll try to do that, thanks!
@xKil53Lx
@xKil53Lx 12 лет назад
how*
@kylerx7
@kylerx7 11 лет назад
You don't even need an ISO drive or winrar just use peazip and unpack the iso into a folder and use that folder as the location :P
@onikama5794
@onikama5794 12 лет назад
Pirate!
@slgarrett
@slgarrett 5 лет назад
I disagree with one of the details on how you dragged out the SARH missile. When you gave up all that altitude, you're giving the missile more kinetic energy, effectively extending its range. That makes it harder to evade. I'd try to stay fairly level after the enemy launch and keep my air speed up as high as I can. That forces the missile to bleed energy more quickly to correct its course and track you without the benefit of gaining kinetic energy due to the altitude drop. If I change altitude at all, I prefer to climb a bit.
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