Being from NYC myself I can't tell you how disappointed I am with how we've fallen off musically. I literally haven't listened to mainstream radio in well over 10 years. We used to be the standard now we have become copycats.
@@mamadoubarrie6607SMH, no disrespect but you have to be a youngin if you think they created the sturdy. Just Google it and you'll see the sturdy was like any trendy dance. It came, died, and came back again! White folks was doing that shit in the 70s before any rappers made it famous.
That may be so but as the narrator pointed out, artists back then were more concerned with the artistry and creating something meaningful over making money. Everything sounds the same because the drive for money overtook the need for creative expression. Now the mainstream is just pure copycats.
There’s never going to be another era in NY like the 90’s, we had young Nas, Big, WU, Tribe, AZ, Jay, Pun, X, Lox, Onyx, Lost Boyz, Public Enemy and so many more, a lot of these new dudes can’t rap, they don’t read, they aren’t creative and they’re drugged up and ignorant.
Ong their never be great era of nyc drill 2019- current we had edot baby, Kay flock, dthang, lee drilly, dougie b, b-lovee, sha ek, 22gz, bizzy banks, sugar hill keem, sheff g, sleepy hollow, coach da ghost, pop smoke, fivio foreign, 26ar, omb jaydee, and etc in terms of influence and impact on this era of nyc drill
@@mamadoubarrie6607those dudes you are naming is for the moment they not going to be legendary or make timeless albums plus social media ny claiming crips and bloods now ain’t no leadership or it’s no real ny producers or productions teams
Y’all remember when Joey badass dropped 1999 and then asap Rocky dropped “peso” and purple kisses? I thought “yup it’s coming back” and then clear soul forces was coming up. It was looking real good for a second.
Man 1999 was that shit I'll never forget the first time I heard fromthatomb I'm like man what is this to this day I still go back and jam that whole project
2010 to 2012 is the Lost Era. This was when the new generation of New York Rappers should've come out with dope albums. Instead, that void was replaced by Drake, J. Cole, and Kendrick. By the time ASAP Rocky's debut dropped in 2013, the game had already changed.
I'm from Florida. Can't stand NYC rappers sounding like the South or Drill rappers. I listen to the underdogs of NY like Troy Ave, Dave East, etc and i'm a huge fan of the Griselda roster. To me, Conway, Benny, and Westside are by far the standouts for East Coast NY sound rap. By faaaar!! They heavy in my spotify playlist.
@@wallaceiskingwell this is an NYC video and as dope as Griselda is the reality is they are from Buffalo ie upstate NY which is dope and it's good to see that part of the state getting representation but the reality is it ain't NYC
@@lincolnhamilton7043 roc Marciano (marcberg, reloaded), action Bronson (dr lector, Saab stories, joey badass, (1999, 2000) willie the kid, smoke DZA, mr. Muthafuckin exquire (lost in translation. Kismet) skyzoo. Hus kingpin, flatbush zombies ( better off dead, D.R.U.G.S). Nitty scott. Etc...got overlooked for most of the late 2000's and 2010...
@@Dantana773 you named a 50 year old rapper and that crew from buffalo...as if they are the only ones still making that kind of rap...then asked me to name some like you weren't tapped in.
I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but I still be buying & listening to more NY/East Coast artists than anything on the radio: Dave East, Griselda, BSF, Stove God, Flee Lord, Vado, Jim Jones, Ransome, Nas, Jada, Styles P, Sheek, AZ, Papoose, French Montana, Black Thought… East Coast ain’t dead, it just returned underground 🗽
Social media definitely plays a part in NY downfall music is more accessible than ever before and picking up on a certain sound is nothing new anymore...this new generation don't really have an identity in hip hop anymore
Compared to the South and other regions New York Rap has always been more reliant on sampling as opposed to creating your own distinct dope sound. Tighter copyright laws made sampling less accessible and New York fell off because they couldn't adapt or change with the times. No new sounds or trends have come out of New York since the 90s.
True but if you listen to a lot of these NYC drill beats their usually a popular song sampled and put on it so I don't think copyright is that big a deal
Thanks to Giuliani he shut down the clubs that was the main scene here in NY back in the '80s & '90s and Ebro from hot 97 programming the station to play nothing but southern hip-hop New York didn't lose it's sound because modern boom bap is doing very well it's not mainstream honestly who wants to be mainstream nowadays anyway all those artists all sound the same but we are doing better then the West Coast 😂😂😂😂
Yessir my G and gentrification downtown in the Bowery and L.E.S. they started zoning you couldn't have a club in residential neighborhoods then Giuliani made the noise ordinance also which shut down our car culture the D's ticketing people stupid
The real ones know how important the sonics are, when it goes beyond your ears to your heart and soul. When the beat alone tells a story and isn't just noise. And the lyrics are deep and knowledgeable, not shallow.
I couldn’t agree more! And I’m from NY! And still live here! I guess everything/everyone Has their time! But for us to loose our identity and sound is crazy/sad
As a New Yorker (BK all day) i hate that all the rappers sound like evwryone else. NYC always had its own style and mattered in the hiphop world. We always had at least 1 top 5 rapper in the mix. Its disappointing
Can you please do a video on Azealia Banks, Young M.A., Angie Stone, Queen Latifah, Will Smith, Jodeci, Boyz II Men, Brian McKnight, Silk, Hi-Five, Lil Wop, YoYo, Alicia Keys, EnVouge, etc
I've always felt that way about the newer generation of nyc artists in the late 00's not taking over.Guys like juelz santana n lloyd banks were in prime positions to be superstars but personal n business issues had them fall back.Then guys with serious hype like papoose,saigon,jae millz never materialized once the punchline mixtape era started dying down and others passed away,went to jail or never had traction outside the tri state region. Plus we also gotta factor black record labels falling off.Once rocafella,diplomat,g unit n ruff ryders fell off lots of label dependent artist didn't know how to handle stuff on their own
@@RockyLottoand unfortunately alot of new york artist didn't know how to grind independently they always got use to being connected or waiting outside these labels business buildings and begging for a opportunity.Ppl can diss the south all they want but one thing they gotta respect is that them guy's know how to grind on their own if everything else fails
The beginning of NYC losing their sound goes all the way back to 1994 with the emergence of Bad Boy…Puff abandoned NYC’s trademark sound for something more accessible and R&B sounding…Bad Boy and Puff but the production values of what was popular on the west coast…#iykyk
Being from the East Coast, I've grown up appreciating the musical artistry that had poured out of NYC. While we are still on the topic, find out what happened to one of my favorite groups, The Lost Boyz. Love , Peace , and Nappiness was the soundtrack to my life in the mid 90s! Thanks for the great content ✊🏾
being from and living in NY, i rem when NY lost it's sound vividly...imo, it was around the mid 00z (prob like late 06). fashion changed and the sound instantly changed i remember. Neva recovered smh. I think stunts 2 & 3 hurt NY the most...ur dead on with this one
@@RoyalEmpireEntTVCam and the Dips always showed love to South. Jay-Z too. Jay used to be riding around listening to UGK in his Benz and even brought multiple copies of Ridin Dirty. He was a big fan
As a Queens MC, The Boombap sound will always be our identity. It really showcased a lyricist’s ability to push their pen further and expand their capabilities. The underground rap scene with people like Action Bronson, Lord Sko, Joey Badass, Dave East, Marlon Craft, Oswin Benjamin, Roc Marciano, Bishop Nehru to even some of the locals that could be sit next to you with high potential. That drill sound is becoming so repetitive and is ruining us because now everybody sound like everybody
Rap and Hip-Hop are both Black AmericanDOS creations, however they're two different things with different histories. Ninety-nine percent of the time when people say Hip-Hop what they really mean is Rap, the "Hip-Hop" term needs to be fazed out when discussing music. Technically, Hip-Hop is a youth movement that was birthed in the Bronx and died there. The Hip-Hop term has been misused and thrown around loosely and inappropriately for decades, it's caused confusion and that's one of the reasons Rap doesn't have a proper standard history as a music genre. You don't associate the creation of Blues or Jazz with any type of separate youth or cultural movement so why would you do it with Rap?
No it’s just New York creation not no black American creation, every culture and race has contributed to hip hop, New York a melting pot state for a reason, it’s New York City creation.
The downfall started because of Ebro programming Southern music over NY music they would play that "Whisper Song" 20xs a day then zoning you couldn't have clubs in residential neighborhoods which is basically lower Manhattan so we started losing our clubs the more they started building hi rises downtown and gentrifying certain areas like the Bowery and L.E.S. and Guliani made noise ordinances so you couldn't blast music anymore the D's would ticket you and search your vehicle for extra bs..
Yeah Blame the south just like y’all blamed the west but last I checked y’all have been literally biting everyone y’all claimed where whack and showed no love to
@@smokindatshit8268Their not blaming the south theh blaming ebro he pushed east cost artist away from radio play then have the nerve to turn around and ask what happened to the sound of nyc
@@crazymtfcrazyblue3142 cool story bro Most New Yorkers will bash the south bash the west coast Literally blame the west coast and the south for what they think is the fall of hip hop and cry like babies and they don’t even support each other This is why artists in the south and the west coast thrive and don’t need features Input or anything from the east and now you have New Yorkers literally acting like they’re either down south artists, Chicago drill rappers, or west coast gangster rappers and even start their own chapters of gangs for other regions New York killed itself with music and creativity Seriously, y’all blame radio stations, y’all blame the west coast, the south, anyone who’s popular and and getting money that’s not form New York To be honest New Yorkers can blame everyone they want but they’re just a joke 😂😂
@@smokindatshit8268 You putting past perception from the 90s on people who are making music now who are born in the early 2000s those New Yorkers don't care and don't know of that era. They listen and play whoever as long as it sounds good but its the older nyc cats from the Biggie and Pac era who still feel a way about the south but they was the same ones who left nyc for dead. They didn't want to sign anyone from their own city, sold their companies, moved their radio stations, and don't even try to be around nor guide the younger generation of nyc unless they fit the ideology of what they view hip hop. Lil Durk, Gherbo, Lil Baby embrace nyc drill rappers easily while the old cats side eye them and that's why nyc not gonna be on top when people form their own town don't fck with them. 50 and Nicki probably the only ones out of all the nyc old heads who did because they weren't trying to force the past on the younger generation their just happy seeing nyc rappers making moves.
West still has it? What you mean??Kendrick Lamar? Vince Staples, Tyler the creator, Ab Soul, YG, Larry June, boogie, Jay Rock, Nipsey, Earl sweatshirt ,D.Smoke, Baby Keem... None of them sound the same and original
I agree with the beefing and sounding like other regions. I think also hot97 played a major part as well. When 50 drew lines in the sand, and ringtone and snap rap were dominating the airwaves, I couldnt listen to the radio anymore. I was listening to r&b and neo-soul more. Then I heard exhibit C on hot97 and was like oh shit, who this??!!?? Nyc rap on the radio?? But Jay was from N.O. There was artist that still had nyc flava, but from different regions (Jay Elect, Little Brother, Slum village, lupe, etc...)So I kinda still got my lyrical, storytelling, knowledge dropping, fix to soothe my ears. But I had to dig into youtube to find gems....
Not only NYC, but the entire east coast lost its sound every body want to be trap, drill, ratchet and stripper/304 so called rapper. Everybody is on the midwest, south and west coast sound wave. Meek mill had confirm prior to blowing up by rapping over trap beats. I feel the UK lost its sound as well. All thanks to drill.
If New York was smart they'd get behind Griselda as much as they get behind Ice Spice and all of those trash Drill rappers...Also get rid of that wave riding Funk Flex DJ
As someone who was raised in NYC i feel NY rappers put themselves in a creative bubble during the 90's by not exposing being exposed to other regions of culture and music hot 97 was the radio station that played rap music And NOTHING outside of nyc music was played But other places played music from all over so they were able to develop their own sound and those artists got alot of local support and were able to gain a fan base outside of where they were from before the days of the Internet the only way to hear music other than the radio was rap city or video musicbox thats where i heard no limit cash money bone thugs and harmony Eminem I though NY rap should try to adapt but we never did when ny tried it was to late we could've been on the forefront of the new sound of rap but every where else beat us to the punch
New York radio stations didn’t want to give the new cats a chance plus all the popular rappers that were in New York in the 2000 were beefing with each other instead of uniting and after 50 it was dead they didn’t let Fabolous shine
Y'all are thinking to deep about this. The eighties NY Hip Hop sampled sixties, seventies and early eighties musicians. Because they were busy sampling instead of learning instruments, they made no music for the following generations of hip hop to sample. So the new generations had to start creating their own beats from scratch sitting at a computer, and let's just say those beats don't have quite the same energy and soul as The Funky Drummer.
ASAP Rocky holding down the NY sounds!?!? What!?!? He was one of the main dudes to be bringing in a different sound to NY hip hop. Go back and listen to his old shit, if someone didn't tell you he was from NY, you would have thought he was from Texas!
The second Stunt Growth was deep. In the 2010s, there was a small window where New York rappers could've dropped albums that would be influential to the game (2010 - 2012). But that window closed once Kendrick Lamar dropped Good Kid, MAAD City, in October 2012. The game had already changed now. By that time, the new New York rappers have now been compared to Drake, J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar. For instance, ASAP Rocky's debut was fire. But the industry kept comparing him to Drake, Kendrick, and J. Cole based on certain standards.
NY artist started biting each other before they started biting the south. I think the beggining of the end for NY hip Hop is when too many NY artist started biting eachother and not enough artist was trying to be original. They were looking for the safest route possible to make a hit record.
We never had a singular sound...anybody that thinks NY only made whatever definition of "boom bap" is a casual listener and revisionist. Uptown had it's own sound, which was mid tempo to uptempo call and response party music. Queens had a multitude of sounds ranging from jazz influenced tribe called quest to hardcore grimey sound of onyx. Go back and listen to popular NY hip hop from the early 2000's or late 90's. "Knock yourself out", "Holla holla" , "ruff ryders anthem", "cant deny it, "in da club etc wasnt "boom bap"...neither was dipset/cam..also that sound never went ANYWHERE...it just went back to being underground with little commercial appeal.
True never a singular sound, but a different sound all its own. Even the producers like Swizz Beats and Just Blaze made NY sound different. Other than Joey Badass and ASAP (maybe others more underground) the rest of them sound like they could be from anywhere else.
@@JayLew91 several artist on the indie scene sounding New york the last 10+ years. People just think of it doenst sound like 1995 it's not new york... no city mainstream acts sound the way their city did 20 years ago...uzi and meek dont sound like state prop, ATL dont sound like dungeon family etc..drill kids actually sound like New York kids, eventhough not a fan of that movement..
@@idolgray it doesn't have to sound like old NY. And I mentioned that there are underground (indie) artists out there. My point was that what's popping right now sounds like copy cat of everyone else. There is still a southern sound and west coast sound even though it's different than it was.
Even songs like juicy, crush on you, ready or not, if I rule the world, lifes a bitch, one more chance, sugar hill and ect in the early to 90s were not boom bap productions. Even most of the records in the 80s were not boom bap at all.
@@JayLew91 the "trap" sound is the current sound of mainstream hip hop. Tyler the creator sound is more easctcoast than traditional west coast.. kendrick raps over trap beats...cole influences are more east coast. He doesn't sound southern at all. "Ruff ryder" anthem wouldnt be considered a NY record if it came out now...neither would most popular NY rap from the early 2000's.
Hip hoo actually began outta Jamaica but it's commonly known to come out the Bronx... Hell i seen hella videos where hip-hop is being displayed just never given that title...
Im in a process of writing and recording a song about how rappers be copying other hot artists just to stay relevant. Theres barely such thing as individuality in 2020s Hiphop
it’s hard for artist today to live up to the great New York rappers . they have at 5 of the top 10 rappers of all time from there and they were all hot at the same time . the future of New York never stood a chance
@10:51 Hip-Hop isn't a genre of music...it's a 1970s Bronx subculture that died out in the early 80s. Rapping/Rap was a part of Black American society DECADES before the Hip-Hop movement existed. Also the South has run the Rap game for OVER 20 years, the end of this year will be the 22nd year of dominance.
I think it just has more to do with the rise of the internet along the same time line… nowadays everyone sounds the same because the internet got everyone listening to the same music, before hand you had more diversity amongst rhyme styles because every region had its own sound. The Midwest was the only region they blended the regions. Someone will rise however.
I'm from LA. Only artist I bump out of NY now are Nas, some Wu members, Griselda, Rock Marciano, 38 Spesh, El Camino, Jim Jones, a lil Dave East, Eto, Flee Lord, Flatbush Zombies, Smoke Dza, Joey Badass & Jada & Fab when they have releases. I like the traditional sound but not really messing wit that new drill mumble shit they been on.
As a Canadian I'll always loved NY Rap but NY Rap has been way too watered down nowadays thats im happily glad that NY got Griselda showing that its more than just Drill.
I blame the non FBA people. They brought their weird foreign music and blended it with with our culture. And Latinos had nothing to do with hip hop. Stop spreading that lie.
Remember the West Coast was dominating hip hop for a while, almost put Def Jam out of business. Can you please do another fallen cities episode Los Angeles California.
@@bamnjphoto Hmm let's look at Diddy and Bad Boy Entertainment: Notorious B.I.G, Craig Mack, Faith Evans, Total, Ma$e, 112, The LOX, Black Rob, Shyne, Loon, Da Band, Cassie, (Bad Boy South: 8Ball & MJG Boyz n da Hood, Yung Joc), Dainty Kane, Cheri Dennis, Day 26, Donnie Klang, Mario Winans, French Montana, MGK, Diddy Dirty Money. Not sure about them almost putting Def Jam out of business part bro.
@@princemastaking at the height of Death Row was the height of Bad Boy 😂 they was dominating the charts at the same damm time and after Death Row demise. I bet you around 30 years old or younger and wasn't there 🤣🤣
@@bamnjphoto OK you can put Death Row Records up there. Now let's look at Def Jam: Run DMC, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Slick Rick, EPMD, Onyx, Flatlinerz, Redman, Method Man, Warren G, Foxy Brown, Jayo Felony, Flesh n Bone, Jay-Z, DMX, Ja Rule, Rocafella, Def Squad, Murder INC, Ludacris, Scarface, DTP, Joe Budden, Kanye West, Ghostface Killah, Young Jeezy, CTE, Nas, 2Chains, Teyana Taylor, Big Sean, YG, Jadakiss, and many more and still going strong.
Word! Being from NY it's so depressing that NY rappers all sound like the same now. One needs little thought to make a drill or trap sound/album. Just throw on the overused ice crushing beat and throw some random words together or mumbling. Then boom generic rap. I can't listen to today's hip hop. I am so glad that Nas and Lupe are still making music that I enjoy.
Ny got its sound officially back in 2015 with Griselda. Black Soprano Family Jersey Mcs Ransom , Mach Hommy,Nas just dropped 5 albums. Smoke Dza Roc Marci , Cormega Action ABronson , Joey Badass/Pro Era, Lloyd Banks , Fabolous , Rome Streetz Stove God, Undrground Smoov, Hus Kingpin Tha Musalini Ap da overlord etc . Other regions took NY blueprint Lil Wayne wasnt poppin till he took the Jayz approach Rick Ross bit the Biggie Approach 2 chainz raps like a punch line mc.
I'm born and raised in the south and though I am a fan of southern rap, I do miss that up north sound. Sadly, there's no variety anymore. I hope New York rappers and just rappers from up north period will soon make a comeback.
I was a kid when Sugar Hill Gang dropped, so I been through multiple iterations of changing guard and sound of NY HipHop and throughout those changes up until around 2007 it was about originality, having rhyme skills not just for the underground. After around 2007 the aboveground artists got lazy with the bars, started sounding like others, NY radio was saturated with other region music I saw Drake doing a Funkmaster Flex freestyle session using a BlackBerry phone and still getting cosigned 😂 that's when I knew NY Hip Hop was done
@stuntedgrowthmusic I'll give you an example of how NYC music SHOULD sound like in this current era: Griselda (Westside Gunn, Benny The Butcher, Conway The Machine, Armani Caesar) and Trust Gang (38 Speech, Che Noir, Ransom, etc) and THEY AREN'T EVEN FROM NYC! They rep Buffalo and Rochester, NY. The LOX still have that gritty NY sound, but it's been a grip for them bros. Good FCS! This was a great video!
I been saying the same thing for more than 15 years.im from queens new york.and them new rappers sound like southern rappers.i been listening to new york rap music since the 1980s.i miss them days.run dmc.nas.wu tang clan.mobb deep.the lox.kool g rap and dj polo.eric b and rakim.ll cool j.mc lyte.the fugees.onyx.etc.i want the real new york back.new york hadthe best storytelling mcs also.word up son
It's a lot of things you said, I feel are not accurate. The south was already taking off when Nas and Jay went at it. Juvenile 400 Degrees, Outkast, Goodie Mob, No Limit we're putting up numbers. What you didn't mention was the guys that were put on after 89. Shackled, sabotaged, and blocked talent. The oaposes and Saigons had to put themselves on, instead of the 90s class ushering these dudes in, they used the new generation to try and extend their runs. The new generation had to break through via mixtapes. The 2000s vets are responsible for the state of ny.
What about Griselda? They have all East Coast / New York Artist and sound: Westside Gunn - Benny The Butcher- Conway The Machine- 38 Spesh - Rome Streetz - Stove God Cooks- All these artist are poppin. and holding down New York Hip Hop music.
How many of the people who created Hiphop are still in New York? From what I see, most of the rappers in NY now are first and maybe second generation African and Caribbean people. So how many of these young guys actually care about what NY Hiphop used to be?
@@jamesgibson3716 I think he was right, despite not specifying what he meant by that initially, he was right in the long term. it’s sad that 50 years later, hip-hop is no longer poppin off in New York City anymore.
