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@davidkendall2272 Год назад

Wow, watching the charging at Electrify America stations makes me appreciate Tesla Supercharging network more than ever. Never had a problem ever over 10 years now at any Supercharger.

@aldimore Год назад

Charging at home for me. Happy with my Tesla and the supercharger network. Still do 95% of my charging at home. I sure hope the charging networks can work out the bugs soon.

@MurF-A-ZoiD Год назад

Zack and Jesse the intro is the Shizzzzzzz. Great work...

@kushagrakumar1992 Год назад

Great Job NYK team ! very enjoyable and true to the point. Nothing beats a tesla supercharger in terms of plug and forget.

@garryford6439 Год назад

Since the Ford only pulled about 150 kW for the majority of the time you should have just used the 150 kW charge station. By doing so the battery would have stayed at a lower temperature and may have lowered your charge time. I make this statement because when I charge my IONIQ 5 at a 150 kW station it charges at a rate of 150 kW until I get to 80% SOC. When I use a 350kW charger it peaks at 235 kW but then declines. However, when using the 350 kW station it reaches 80% SOC only about 4 minutes faster.

@rmkep Год назад

This is more In Depth gold. Thanks guys for the data comparing EA charging the only 2 EV trucks currently available (Hummer doesn't count). As a wise man once said, it's the Superchargers stupid ... and clearly it is. All the features and performance in the world can't make up for a weak charging network. That problem is solvable but when and how are the questions. The App and all software issues give Tesla a huge advantage, Now if we only had our Cybertrucks so we could gloat about it's massive practical advantages. So, Tesla has the charging network and software problems solved and when the truck hits it should be smooth sailing. Let's hope that all the waiting will lead to a superior truck as well.

@inqwit1 Год назад

What is the possibility of the charger not working perfectly, as evidenced by the error code being received?

@PygKLB Год назад

A follow up to this would be a 150 kW face off at the EA corral. (That is, assuming there are two working 150 chargers.) Would the Lightning’s lower max charging rate do better than the Rivian?

@wolfgangpreier9160 Год назад

I can only offer a open Supercharger with 250kW. There are always enough stalls available. But then they are in Europe with CCS plugs. Oh well...

@michaelsmithers4900 Год назад

The rivian had time to cool off after driving and before charging… it probably negatively effected the Rivian but more testing would be needed

@everymandiy2453 Год назад

Ooooh editing and special effects. I really want a Rivian but must weight till the CyberTruck. Also great job showing the entire process, from failed connections, being "iced", to timeline. I know with our Model Y, we park, plug in, and watch Bobs Burgers in the car. Super simple and easy.

@reeftank706 Год назад

Not sure what the situation was when the Kona got there either, Maybe the 150's were taken or didn't work even though they looked like they were up and working. I have had to charge at 350's on several occasions at several locations in my Niro EV (max charge rate of around 74kW) as everything else was down. Also I WILL charge at a 350kW if my choice is between the working 350kW station and the one with CHAdeMO as I don't want to hang the very few cars that have CHAdeMO out to dry as they typically have much shorter ranges so have little ability to skip a station and go on to the next.

@rudyrob Год назад

Loved the charge off!! Hilarious 😂

@mik2137 Год назад

Great intro indeed! 🤺🚙 I had a good laugh. 😂

@vipsavior Год назад

😂😂 I can see the PTSD in Jessie from his last time he had charge rage 😡💢 ⛽⚡

@TecnamTwin Год назад

That was a fun intro! Loved it guys! Y'all have really ramped up the profanity in your videos though. What's with that? Can't play them at work anymore.

@hemaccabe4292 Год назад

I love that you guys will kick trucks you bought and the charging network.

@jimmyers4890 Год назад

I really don't understand the reason everyone uses the amount of energy put in. What is useful for me is how long will it take to start with 20% and add 200 miles of range. That is about the amount I will want to get to the next charger. You could even go to 250 miles of range but I think that will add too much time. I know range is dependent on many factors but most vehicles will give you a decent estimate.

@lh2338 Год назад

I disagree. The miles guesstimate is useless in my opinion. Miles/kwh will vary by vehicle, driving style, elevation, temperature & road condition.. I find % much more useful.

@johnpoldo8817 Год назад

Jim, I agree with you based on road trips between New England & S. Florida. Amount of time waiting at a charger is paramount, not kW or cost. ABRP had me stopping more often than Tesla GPS, but total elapse time of trip was shorter. Due to numerous charger locations, ABRP typically had me charging from 25 to 65%. Some charging sessions were only 12 mins and restrooms were 10 mins round trip so not enough time to pick up a snack.

@jaimecerdagarza5119 Год назад

Hilarious into, i loved it!!! Good program guys thanks!

@randybentley2633 Год назад

At 49, I was versed enough to get your opening skit and thoroughly love it.

@surferdude4487 Год назад

The EA charging network reminds me of the Excelcior chasing the Enterprise out of space dock after Scotty sabotaged their trans-warp drive. After some comical sounds from the warp drive stalling out, the control computer reboots and says, "Good morning captain".

@mike866 Год назад

Awesome test, but I think this screams for a re-match. That dip to 30 kw on the Rivian is quite odd and could very well be the EA charger doing something weird. Next time, I'd try testing on one of the new V2 EA chargers, which should be (theoretically) more reliable than the older versions which are a big mess.

@tobias..6688 Год назад

The 30kw seem to be caused by an EA charger cooling issue

@thomasgauthier5691 Год назад

What about a miles added per minute graph? That is the most useful metric. Not % or kWh added per minute.

@seewind Год назад

Looks good. One additional factor to consider - life of battery pack over life of the truck.

@tomh2912 Год назад

Zac & Jess. Fun video. Thanks. I've owned my R1T for about a month now. In my limited experience, EA chargers around me are unreliable and I prefer EVgo. I clocked 214kW on a 350kW station. And at 30 cents/min, ends up being about a third less than EA at 43 cents/kW for the same number of kWs.

@BIMRFRK Год назад

plug in and swipe to start charge, always seems to work for me at Electrify Canada chargers,.... not sure why EA would be any different...

@chrismartin7579 Год назад

I was charging at an EA in Hillsboro NC last week and ALL of the chargers went down. There are four chargers, two of which worked at 7AM. When we returned from Virginia at about 6PM, ALL FOUR eventually went down. Luckily, we charged about 30kWh before our session 'crashed', and we could get back to our destination.

@xepedelucas Год назад

You guys have the best channel ever

@jackcoats4146 Год назад

love the opening

@georgeowen3646 Год назад

Good job you guys!

@dansbrown1313 Год назад

That was fun. Thanks guys.

@johnpoldo8817 Год назад

Intro very well produced !

@arielzamora90 Год назад

What a good intro! You are the best guys!

@StephenMatrese Год назад

At what temperature did you do these experiments? I would be interested to know if they were similar in freezing weather. Does either have a heat pump?

@amircohen143 Год назад

Opening scene! THIS IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Instant *thumbs up*!!

@Digital-Dan Год назад

Got my Y in March. Have not yet installed home wall connector, but that happens imminently. It will be good not to have to spend even 30-40 minutes at local superchargers for local travel. But sitting at a supercharger is kind of a zen experience, better if not in a store basement where there is no cell service.

@CraigMcDonald1234 Год назад

Thanks "Now You Know". Great experiment.

@carlbarlow6942 Год назад

What does the vehicle state of charge vs. KWhrs charge rate look like? Might tell you something about how the software controls the charging.

@matthewdunstone4431 Год назад

That intro earned the rest of my view! 🤣🤣🤣

@irsalman Год назад

Does the F150 have the "max towing package" with dual HVAC to cool the batteries?

@Thomatrs Год назад

the intro is worth a thumbs up already :-)

@GrrDraxin1 Год назад

Having watched up to 9 Minutes in all when I started to write this comment, what could say is that you guys should have had a time lapse camera on a tripod focused on the screen just so you can record all the numbers it spat out for smooth plotting of the curve as you were charging for analysis. I would have had two cameras for that. One looking at the charger display, and one at the vehicle display, sync the videos and repeat it at least three times. I would like to ask if the radiator fans on either vehicle activated during the charge.

@johnsteele5836 Год назад

I want a re-match. Science would better if you had more data points. I like using the same charger for both vehicles as another charger would offer more noise (different electronic component performance, etc), in the system. Next face-off, let the Riven charge before the Ford., and with different outside temperatures, etc. AND great job! Glad you did this face-off. Keep up the great work!

@jorgemanzanares6444 Год назад

Great intro. I loved

@frankcoffey Год назад

How about a "will it fit in the garage" contest.

@dr-k1667 Год назад

The take away from this for me is ... I'm glad we have a CT on order because the Super Charger Network is the unsung hero for future EV owner.

@rob8969 Год назад

Someone has probably said this but every single time i charge i plug in first and then start it from the app

@haveric24 Год назад

wonder if you could test the towing charge of Rivian. charge up the Ford and tow pull rivian and see how much charge you lose or put into Rivian would be intereting?

@oxcart19 Год назад

BEST intro, EVER!

@catbert7 Год назад

That intro was really great xD

@chrismaxwell3405 Год назад

i would like to point out. during the Rivian charge. Jessie did mention something about it slowing down while the battery cooled off? could that have accounted for some of the massive dip? would be interesting to see this test done at night, to remove some of the external Temp from the equation.

@neuromancer777 Год назад

You have to hold up the Connector until it is starts charging :-) Known problem with HPC

@mattkeith530 Год назад

i love the intro to this haha. great acting guys

@DonalD1982 Год назад

Excellent intro, guys :)

@troyhiggins3348 Год назад

anyone know which electrify america station this is?

@RamiRouhana Год назад

Best intro eva!

@Johnny2Feathers Год назад

This makes me even happier to wait for the Cybertruck

@Jjengering Год назад

Rivian battery could have also cooled down sitting there, nobody has got charging right except for Tesla.

@lkeil84 Год назад

Always plug the car in first at electrify america and then initiate the app or put in a credit card.

@PetruzziAxeSmash Год назад

Lol this was great. Have you guys done the herberts candy mansion thing yet?

@adamwiseman5831 Год назад

How fast will cyber truck charge.? In the next few years. Now that its so far behind I wounder if they will make some upgrades.

@nickmcconnell1291 Год назад

That Rivian charge curve seems to indicate the Rivian is having to throttle back and cool their pack a lot. If you have seen the breakdowns of the Ford you would see cooling hoses all over the place. Lots of leak possibilities but possibly superior cooling. Would be interesting to see if cooler weather would up Rivian’s game??

@suvari225 Год назад

I highly think that the charger was overheated after 70-90 minutes of abuse. Rivian should have won easily, based on the other reviews I saw on RU-vid

@rogerstarkey5390 Год назад

You're thinking of the Mach E? I think they redesigned after the scathing Munro critique?

@jkoravos Год назад

You guys had better luck at that charging stall than I did. I charged my Lightning on that very same 350kW pedestal and it bricked on me after 2 minutes and I had to move to the 150kW.

@jaydeeppatil1488 Год назад

Graph of miles v time would be interesting. That way you can plan how much time you would need for target no of miles.

@clintrobinson1706 Год назад

How much did these cost and how many mile per dollar

@Dave________739 Год назад

Producers need a raise for this one!😂👍🏼

@slappy76 Год назад

Sounds like if you charge by the minute anything that charges at a rate less than 100kwh doesn't make sense. Around 65-70% SOC is where I would cut off the charging.

@TheOnlyName Год назад

That intro was perfect 🤣🤣

@claytonwartes8260 Год назад

best opening ever

@rikvdk8962 Год назад

Different chargers would have introduced another variable - are both chargers operating the same?

@casperhansen826 Год назад

Best intro ever

@kenwoodbridge5095 Год назад

Cost to charge?

@geovanniespaillatfelix9514 Год назад

I’m so glad I own a Tesla. I know you were super excited to see 213kW but when I pull into Tesla superchargers with 20% or less left in the battery, I tend to start my charging at 250-255kw. (I’m sure you have seen this before) So 213 kW for a few seconds made me laugh. You guys rock. Keep up the good work.

@jasonwidegren3211 Год назад

Loved the intro. 😂

@MrRollingEgo Год назад

Why not use crowd sourced data?

@koshnarnarek5910 Год назад

Loved the intro! 😂

@clintrobinson1706 Год назад

Best opening of all time

@carlmagnusbroberg5325 Год назад

Haha great intro!

@johnpoldo8817 Год назад

Now, I am so thankful to have a Tesla DCFC for road trips vs all other brands, especially EA.

@PerpetualProfit1 Год назад

Great intro!

@zaynab2085 Год назад

I only tried using Electrify Am. Once, it was a total fail as it started to charge and 10 min later stopped charging and when I returned to my vehicle I only had a 10 minute charge. So unreliable!

@chrismuldutch Год назад

Love the opening scene 😅

@granviper Год назад

Love the intro

@TrespassersWillBeShot Год назад

Really looks like the F150 can't really use the 350kw charger too, if it maxes at 150ish it's not going to take the most that another vehicle can.

@WinstonFiore Год назад

17:21 it seems likely that this is because you switched the charge limit from 80% to 100%, unless this is a coincidence?

@lanceguilin Год назад

haha.. That's funny one of the guys mentioned Adam Savage of MythBusters as that is who I think this guy on here looks like. Each time I see him, I'm reminded of Adam Savage from MythBusters. lol..

@Darenjanes Год назад

Love the drama. More please!

@arielzamora90 Год назад

And great video too!

@hansscott9749 Год назад

Does charger allocate its capacity between chargers? It looked like several cars were charging during latter portion of Rivian charge.

@lh2338 Год назад

No, these EA Signet & older ABB units do not load share. They have a dedicated cabinet. That’s why they were so annoyed about the Kona hogging a 350 kw unit. Some of the newer BTC units have load sharing but the shared cabinets have much larger overall capacity.

@hansscott9749 Год назад

@@lh2338 Good to know, thanks

@mletouutube Год назад

For a confirmation of this charging test and make it more scientific, do it again on the same time of the day and start with the Rivian. Then continue with the Ford but start at the same time that the Rivian started at the previous test. Chose a similar day in term of weather.

@mrnobody.4069 Год назад

Electrify America will just inconvenience the EV a lot needs to change but I bet they're making Tesla more popular because people want to avoid them!

@rob8969 Год назад

Also looks like you added more kWh to the rivian than the ford regardless of the percentage it was at

@D_Rogers Год назад

Is charging without a smartphone easier? Or impossible? :)

@youmakeitreal Год назад

Nice creative intro. 👌

@xupthree60 Год назад

My Spark EV, with its 19kw battery, costs around $2 at Electrify America. :D

@AJaytheCEO Год назад

I see that DJI camera in the reflection. NOOICE

@lyfandeth Год назад

"Slower while battery is cooling" also means the battery needs a better cooling system. Or a nice winter day. Makes you wonder, are the charge controllers just running different programs intentionally, because of battery longevity choices/issues?

@rogerstarkey5390 Год назад

AKA "Hyundai mode" 😉

@bluedog9935 Год назад

Unless my math is off, that was about 15 cents/Kw. Wow, that’s pretty reasonable compared to what I’ve paid at superchargers.

@LeesReviews69 Год назад

Ford and GM could build out a charging network at any time, but they won’t because it would give too much credit to EVs future.

@ryanmarbut1035 Год назад

Remember that the EA network was built out because of Diesel Gate. In fact the entire company was created because of that. Basically the company doesn't want to exist so it has no incentive to optimize. Just my take.

@rogerstarkey5390 Год назад

@@ryanmarbut1035 But now they're between a rock and a hard place. Enough cars to NEED the network, but huge investment to make it reliable (not to mention 5x the cost of a Tesla charger)