The pilot failed to abort when he was at "decision time" and didn't have a visual on the airport. AKA he tried to land with visibility below the minimums.
Going below MDA (Minimum Descent Altitude) without acquiring visual contact with the airport. The classic “duck under” syndrome. This is what happened with the Southern Airways flight that killed the Marshall Football Team. For Non-Precision Approaches, you descend to the Minimum Descent Altitude and you stay at that minimum until you either acquire visual contact with the airport environment or you go missed approach upon reaching the Missed Approach Point. If you somehow go below MDA without visually acquiring the airport/runway, you execute missed approach immediately. And there is no Decision Altitude for a Non-Precision approach. That’s for a Precision Approach such as an ILS. This is basic IFR flying.
@@dan3162 yeah definitely. There is a huge safety need there. I worked at mcdonalds and I closed the store alone when I was 16..I didnt know that was illegal until I was an adult. Airlines ..They wont do anything unless forced though.
so many musicians die and will continue in the rush to stardom, some in aircraft, others on the ground. Dreams can be dangerous, but big dreams can worth the risk.
I know it's definitely a good thing that there aren't more episodes out there of these deadly plane crashes, but me being selfish wishing there were new ones as I've watched just about every episode 5x or more 🤦
@@Lynn-zx3th Isn't it about one in ten Everest climbers who never come home? And they pay tens of thousands ($) each for their chance to beat the odds. How many plane passengers would *ever* go that far! But I hear ya; Everest documentaries are gripping. Will never, ever forget Rob Hall... how even the best can lose their sound judgment in thin air & under pressure.
It was adorable listening to Peter Hogenkamp lightly teasing that he didn’t need the Passion Fruits keeping him awake. I’m happy that he seems to have dealt with having gone through a plane crash in such a good way. I’d never be able to joke, even as lightly as he did in this video, ever again most likely.
It is easier to blame persons who are not alive to defend themselves. For me, the people who had noise complaints of airplanes and the authorities who passed the law to divert planes after 10:30 pm without installing ILS system at the airport, should equally be blamed for this air crash. They must be punished. 😢
@@molybdomancer195 yeah, even before touching on the comments to see any of them I was saying it’s the same airport. How far away can it be? If there’s no ILS, and it’s dark They should have either put an ILS there or just allowed them to land on the safer runway. A few noise complaints versus what ended up happening. I’m not a pilot, but Maybe Another option would have been to very well light that runway. Enough so you can’t miss it. I mean, if it was foggy enough to miss many lights, then they probably wouldn’t be landing there anyway, the flight ✈️ would be diverted. 😢
@@rachmunshine9474 a pilot not being able to land without ILS is equivalent to an engineer who cant do math calculations without a calculator, ILS is not a requirement for landing never was and never will be, the pilots mishandled procedures, I understand people like blaming the govt or authority in general but this was pilot error, plain and simple.
Flight 3407 that crashed in Buffalo, NY is another example of lack of training and pilot incompetence on a regional airline; Renslow didnt know how to de-ice the wings. All 50 souls aboard died, and one man on the ground. Damn you Cptn Lutz .
That wasn’t iced wings, it was pilot error. They set an alarm to warn them when they were reaching a certain speed, forgot, then panicked when it went off, climbing and causing a stall.
Ever since the day I started flight training in 2001, I was aghast at noise abatement procedures. Having airplanes fly unconventionally because some people don’t like the noise is a recipe for disaster, and as a retired pilot I still stand by that statement.
You're focused on the WRONG thing! *Having pilots who are unqualified is a recipe for disaster!* More people have died from THAT than ever died because a pilot had to land on a different runway or divert to a different airport due to noise abatement! Focus on the bigger issue and not the issue that isn't an issue. If Pilot Lutz knew how to fly, he would still be alive!
@@SP-io7lj I’m a retired pilot. Unfortunately, aviation is ruled by money, and a cheap pilot will always be hired before a good pilot. When the standards are too high for cheap pilots, the standards are lowered.
I agree if you purchase home in a known flight path area. I can understand if out of the blue they changed and planes now fly low overhead where they previously did not.
Noise complaints. And all because people who decided to live next to an airport were, and still are, shocked that there are, of all things, PLANES at the airport.
There is a similar situation near FLL in Dania / Ft Lauderdale FL, as the airport has been there for decades as it was a military field originally. There are canal front homes on the south side of the airport and there are numerous complaints about the noise.
Couldn’t agree more… you buy a property near the airport probably because it’s cheaper, but the reason it’s cheaper is because you have to live with the noises of the airplanes… you cannot double dip…
This is such a bizarre take to me. Lutz wasn't expected to do anything crazy, just use a different approach. It's the bare minimum we expect from pilots. I don't see anything wrong with wanting an airport to be a good neighbor and not fly planes low over major cities at night. Instead of the airport having to adjust its procedures everyone else just needs to adjust to the airport? Just so pilots don't have to fly a different approach?
If that happened to me and I got out and survived. I don’t think I could fly again, or it would take a long time to get over. So sad that the crew and passengers went through something horrific like this. It was an awful year for aviation, I know they mentioned the German girl group Passion Fruit, maybe they didn’t mention Melanie Thornton name because her family and friends wanted privacy from this documentary. I can’t believe that 24 people died and 9 survived. May those who died R.I.P and those who survived are ok. I couldn’t imagine being in something like this so traumatic.
After watching many of these episode and listening that ALL the CREW were experienced and top trained pilots with 3 million hours of flight and instructor … I guess my next flight will be with a regular normal pilot 😂😅😮
Flying is so procedural, it’s hard to understand how the captain could have made such a mistake, but I guess his CV explains it. The FO also not speaking up, a major mistake. When it comes to lives, hierarchy goes out of the window.
The hierarchy of flight crew has been a factor in many accidents. That is why the CRM system was introduced. It gives junior crew members the authority to countermand the pilot if they see the pilot making a mistake.
When you hire subpar, retain problem employees and don’t hold people accountable, this happens. All the red flags were there with Capt Lutz, but as many examples in the past, until they crash they continue to fly.
I live by LAX for over 20 years. “Noise pollution” is bullshit. 1. Wtf you expect when you willingly chose to live by an airport? 2. “Noise pollution” isn’t that noticeable and eventually just falls to the background. People just want to complain.
If only the first officer had been warned about the captain's incompetence. He might've been more willing to speak up. I'm also wondering, when a pilot transmits that they're descending to land and they're still miles away from the airport, why doesn't the ATC say, "You know you're still four miles away right?"
I've worked with people close to retirement in my line of work and I have learned quickly that time and experience alone do not lead to expertise, let alone competence. I've flat out asked "you've done this for 40 years and you don't know how to do XYZ?" This reinforced in me the saying no matter what profession it is, 9 out of 10 people are hacks"
@Finders-Keepers Whenever he heard that pronunciation, my dad (RCAF as a very young man) would say quietly & with a measured touch of scorn, "where'd they learn *that* ? In shool?" One of the things we loved about him.
@@KingTriton1837 Uh-oh... now you've opened the floodgates! People (from anywhere at all) who say Muntreeal for Montreal. & Aks for ask. & Plug for outlet!
This is the final investigation report of this flight. The final report of the AAIB states that other factors also contributed to the accident: The range of hills the plane crashed into was not marked in the Jeppesen approach chart used by the crew.[2]: 13 Despite the hilly terrain surrounding it, the approach to runway 28 was not equipped with a Minimum Safe Altitude Warning (MSAW) system, which triggers an alarm if a minimum safe altitude is violated.[2]: 13 Zürich Airport's means of determining visibility were inadequate for runway 28.[2]: 13 The visual minimums at the time of the accident were actually inappropriate for using the standard approach to runway 28.[2]: 13 An inexperienced air traffic controller was alone in the control tower. A more experienced controller might have allowed the flight to land on runway 14 because of the poor weather conditions.[8 The report say that, Pilot Lutz, did a lot of mistakes in the past, but continued with his flight because of luck of Qualified pilots. I don’t want to be harsh on him. But that’s is the report I read . ❤❤❤❤
I grew up living right by an airport before they somehow made the engines quieter and I honestly miss it. I miss the sound of the engines spinning up as they take off and the super loud sound when they would land. Especially when laying in bed. It was the perfect sound. Still live by the same airport but I don't hear the planes anymore 😭
First officer surprised and knew the captain was making mistakes, you can see the expression of his face, ❤especially when he said we are continuing on. But never reacted.
The captain of the Colgan Air flight, like Lutz, had a very spotty training record with multiple failures. They were not disclosed by him to Colgan and they didn't check.
Why are they checking now. They should alway check when someone applies for job. How can you trust someone with millions of people are the world with no full education of the job he applied for.
Can you imagine being the relatives of these incompetent sub-standard pilots who cause these airplanes to crash (pilot error) 100% killing hugh numbers of passengers? The shame and guilt they must feel must be a burden.
Yep! It really blows my mind that these people that decided to live next to an airport, had the audacity to complain about the noise of the planes! Tf??
The pilot was ultimately responsible. Due to ego, ignoring his FO, norms overriding proper checklist procedures, THIS should have never happened. Experience is one of the biggest contributors for not considering that the situation is different than what you are used to, and making a huge error
outrageous that they didn't upgrade the runway 28 landing system beofore agreeing to do the shut off at 10 pm of runway 14 but more ourragions that these noise abatmprocues trump plane and passanger safety
This is the final investigation report of this flight. The final report of the AAIB states that other factors also contributed to the accident: The range of hills the plane crashed into was not marked in the Jeppesen approach chart used by the crew.[2]: 13 Despite the hilly terrain surrounding it, the approach to runway 28 was not equipped with a Minimum Safe Altitude Warning (MSAW) system, which triggers an alarm if a minimum safe altitude is violated.[2]: 13 Zürich Airport's means of determining visibility were inadequate for runway 28.[2]: 13 The visual minimums at the time of the accident were actually inappropriate for using the standard approach to runway 28.[2]: 13 An inexperienced air traffic controller was alone in the control tower. A more experienced controller might have allowed the flight to land on runway 14 because of the poor weather conditions.[8
Landing a plane not seeing the runway is like playing darts blindfolded. Failing to hit the bull's eye is game over. The difference is, flying a plane with lives in your hand is not a game.
I never understood the people who complain about aircraft noise after moving into the vicinity of an airport. I've lived under the approach of aircraft at work 8 hours day, and at home under an approach . I've learned to tune it out. The complainers in Germany can be smug satisfied they were at least partially responsible for the fatalities because of their Teutonic arrogance
The captain LUTZ, dismiss to fly after 7 different accident. Incluse many verbal warning from crossair and authority. Look wikipedia about captain lutz. its incredible why dont stop fly 3 years before this crash. Incredible.
An runway does not define how a plane has to fly.. If Germans wanted to have no overflies then they could have an exclusion area and still allow landing on any runway- it just makes the navigation and management of the approach more complicatated. Plenty of airports have complicated approach patterns.
Germany does not dictate directly which runway in ZRH to use. There is "just" a minimum flight limit of 12'000ft after 2100h while over Germany. The moment the flight crosses the border, that's done. So ZRH airport if free to use any runway as long as the flight looses the altitude over Swiss territory. But the problem preventing that is NIMBY - the "rich" parts of Zurich don't like noise. Neither do the other "Kantone" (read as "Staates", Switzerland is a federal republic) that would be affected like Thurgau and Aargau. Having a convenient airport is nice, having the tax windfall of it too... but the noise fallout should be left on the other side of the border - and for reference, before the topic escalated in the early 2000s 90% of the approaches to ZRH took the "German" route. Especially at night to get the noise out of Zurich. So the Swiss themselves blocked some of the more sensible arrival patterns. This is what lead to runway 14 to be taken out of service. There was and is no (by Switzerland!) approved way to get there other than loosing height over Germany. And as pointed out - there was and is a exception to the height limit for especially bad weather, and for emergencies it's off the table anyway. A Mayday flight does not have to care about it. Which happens several times a year, mostly due to medical emergencies. While I don't work for the Airport, I work for a company located at the airport, and I have direct view onto the start of RW28 and along RW14/32. And there are night landings at RW14 from time to time. The airport is fighting since decades now to get permission to get better / more variable takeoff and approach patterns. Like the "curved approach" for ILS precision approaches to runway 14 (3300m so suitable for heavy and superheavy - like the A380 from Emirates which lands in ZH, and no runway intersection, the longest would be 16/34@3600, but that crosses runway 28) at night without crossing the border below FL120. There's a Video (in German only unfortunately) from the Flughafen Zürich AG detailing some of the improved - and still not approved - patterns: "Betriebskonzepte Flughafen Zürich AG". There was a bilateral agreement draft that would have relaxed the situation a bit - trading in some of the daytime approaches over Germany for allowing limited numbers of night landings - but it was the Swiss government that voted against it.
But he probably thought about ATC Peter Nielsen who was blamed by a husband/father fo the loss of his family in the Uberlingen mid-air collision and hunted down & murdered in front of his wife & children. (The killer was hailed a nat'l hero & after being given a reprieve, awarded a cushy job w/the govt). RIP Peter Nielsen.🌹❤
Um, shouldn't the title of this be "Fatal Mistake That Killed 24 People | Crossair Flight 3597 | Mayday: Air Disaster" because, you know, that's how many people died...
I can see why that sorry company was forced out of business! Hope they lost millions of dollars! Hope that air traffic controller’s supervisor got fired, too, for leaving early!
How inconsiderate. An adult misbehaving and making people uncomfortable. I don’t understand this. I came from Africa leaving in Uk. Our 13, 14 years old are more mature than 28 years old in abroad,
