FBAs, Fat Joe, Busta Rhymes & The Myth of Who Created Hip Hop 

YES GOD 6:20... This is a reductive and regressive discussion. The FACT is Hip Hop was created by Black people in the South Bronx...we Puerto Ricans were there and contributed BUTTTTT WE HOLD NO FOUNDING FATHER STATUS

The Black American culture includes Juneteenth, the quilting tradition, jumping the broom, HBCU's, soul food, various dances, inventions, ingenuity, family reunions and AAVE. We created top music genres such as the Blues, Rock & Roll, Gospel, Country, Jazz, R&B, and Hip Hop.

Busta Rhymes said FBA ain't got no culture that's a disrespect Wu-Ha our foot is on his neck . 🇺🇲💪🏾 Lord Jamar big Salute.

If you rapping in another language it still comes from FBA style 💯🙏🏾

Latin folks used to call Rap "Jungle Music" and Caribbeans weren't even listening to early rap so I don't understand why all of a sudden everyone feels the need to latch on to our culture. Maybe because Hip-Hop is turning 50 next year 🤔

Busta Rhymes has been saying the US has no culture, all their Carribean and Latino s h i t is what makes the US culture. and lets keep it a buck, he's talking about African Americans ( FBA) because he said the cultural influence in America is from the urban communities and the Latino and West indian Carribean communities has always provided the most influence out of everyone and they've always had and always will and its just been that way he says. He goes on to say he's always been influenced by the latino community who has always made him feel comfortable, which has allowed him to feel comfortable putting his west indian influence in his music. This is a slap in the face of Foundational Black Americans (FBA) by Busta Rhymes and Fat Joe who has literally Appropriated our culture and made millions and who has also been talking down to FBAs for a long time and should serve as a wake up call to ALL FBA. There never was a black and brown coalition. There never was FBA and Carribean solidarity after the 60s pretty much, and let me be clear, im talking mainly the immigrants tethers that come to America. They are told to not F with us. To stay away, that we are inferior, we are lazy, were criminals, unintelligent, uneducated and all kinds of other disrespectful derogatory things. No i am not letting off all the other communities that hate on us and disparage us like the whyte peepo and pretty much every other community on earth. We are the most hated and disrespected. We MUST put a stop to this s h i t. It is time for FBA to take off those capes and unify under our own FBA lineage because from the looks of it, we all we got. These people come to this country and i mean EVERYONE as a collective with contempt for FBA. They love our culture, and creations, but hate our people, at least the ones they can't use to get a leg up in America. They seem to be ganging their communities up against FBA because they have been making these slick underhanded derogatory and disrespectful comments about FBA for a long time. They seem to be daring us to do something about it. What it is, is now that Latinos have more numbers here in America and the Carribeans have grown also, they think now they can team up and show their hand. We as FBA has always been some of the most welcoming people in the world. Inviting people into our culture and sharing our cultural creations and contributions with America the country we built into the biggest global economic empire ever in history and the rest of the world. But it has never failed. Once we take these babies under our wings and teach them how to walk, talk, chew gum and everything else we know, they take it and use it against us. We gotta from now on be smarter than that. We have no allies. It needs to be either your with us or against us. Because everybody wants to rep their flags, nations and own communities, but when we try to unify under our own lineage and community they wanna try and say we're being divisive to make us feel ashamed for wanting to look out for ourselves like everyone else does. Now you see that it's only a tactic they use to keep FBA devided and splintered so they can gang up and jump us. The nerve. He said because of his Carribean decent he has an advantage over us, because he can use our culture and when necessary go in his bag and pull out a secret weapon which he means is his Carribean culture and that is superior to FBA They used our culture and resources to become millionaires and then s h i t in our faces when they think they dont need us any more. The audacity to say that Latinos and Carribeans have the most influence in the world, When it is a clear fact that no other ethnic group has influenced and contributed to America and probably the world culturally more than FBA. Music, Sports, Fashion, Entertainment. Inventions, innovation and more. I mean who has contributed more as a single ethnic group. Everyone always talking about how good their cultures food and cuisine is. I'll put a soul food thanksgiving dinner up against any of theirs anyday. We have a humbleness problem, a sharing problem, a giving problem, a forgivness problem that we gotta solve. Because all people do is take take take from FBA and who gives back. I mean really. Just go to google and type in African American inventions and innovations. It will astound you. And we created about 90% of all popular music genras and subgenras or directly influenced them in the world. I mean really who is more lit than African Americans (FBA) Foundational Black Americans. I know this is a hella long comment, but been needing to get this off my chest.

Every time you say divide and conquer I disagree because that’s only said when FBA stand up for themselves nobody ever says that when FBA gets shitted on constantly

Divide and Conquer aint the problem it's the sense of entitlement from these Tethers

Hip hop became popular from the hoods of America. FBA were the one's buying tapes and albums before it was ever played on the radio. We were the ones supporting the rappers and making it popular.

WRONG!!!! The first break dancers were members of the black spades in Rosdale park. & it was called wild dancing. & disco king Mario was extending break beats in 1970 before cool herc.

Exactly Jamar! I’m P.R. & already been known everything you’re spitting are facts. Don’t know why ppl are playing these games. I guess ppl running outta content for RU-vid

Rip Shabba Doo from breakin. He was 🇵🇷

James brown is the father of hip hop 4/4 time signature is what made hip hop . Hip is to know, Hop is to move. Hip-hop meaning is to know the move .

Muhammad Ali started emceeing first. His big attitude, his punchlines, his disses we're the template for how we emcee today

I’m Puerto Rican and agree with everything the GOD said I wish everyone realized we are the same damn people fba is the creator no doubt but we helped build it with our FBA brothers an sister don’t let the devil separate us when we need to be together shout out to all my FBA an Caribbean brothers and sisters

Puerto Rico, Dominican republic & Jamaica are not RACES they are PLACES. The confusion between race culture and ethnicity is paramount, learn your history

OUTSTANDING OUTSTANDING OUTSTANDING Commentary!!!! Lord Jamar is a MANS MAN. I am so PROUD of this Brother for his BRUTE HONESTY. I wish there was a way a could SUBSCRIBE A MILLION TIMES. I waited for days to hear LORD JAMAR speak on this TOPIC. I AGREE with what Jamar said 1000 Percent. 🙏🙏🙏 Peace God!! I hope you read this Lord Jamar.

It can easily be said Black people in America pioneered all facets of the arts and crafts all over the world (hip-hop included), which all other races adapted to learn, like, partake and be influenced by. The Beatles, The Bee Gees and many other prominent foreign European music artists, have all acknowledged and given public credit to Black Americans for influencing them & their music. Yes, Black Americans hands down are the first (and only) founders and pioneers of music in America as well international. Blues, Jazz, Rock, Country, Bluegrass etc, all stem from Black American's years of tribulations and physical oppressions on the slave plantations. And yes, I too agree this is conspiracy to invoke and stoke contentions among our diaspora family. Definite red flags for those two and others who make such ridiculous and baseless comments. Real wrecks in effect.

Growing up in Queens in the early 70's I grew up in the early inception of Hip-Hop before Hip-Hop was on radio or wax. In fact the FatBack band out of Queens we're the first to introduce the culture on wax. In Queens we grew up with our Puerto Rican brothers and sisters next door. But honestly, our PR family by majority did not like Hip-Hop nor did our Carribean family, nor did the older ( FBA's) family. Our Pueto Rican family, their choice was Freestyle or Disco music over Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop as a culture was closely connected to the Blaxapotation movies of the late 60" and early 70s. The street culture of drug dealers, pimips, and Hustlers transformed into the Hip-Hop street culture. From the Funk, Soul, R&B, and Disco music you heard in those movies, and then you saw those fashions on the streets. And we in Queens ( Jamaica ) we're throwing block parties outside during the end of the civil rights movement into the early '70s to help people pay their rent, or just keep the kids out of trouble, and with the entire block bringing out their house Speakers on the blocks on holidays in the summer to help the DJ's on the block hold it down with power and sound. Eventually, we were having block party battles, and to have better sound, some of the older teenagers would steal ( borrow ) speakers from where ever they could find them. The concept of using Cerwin Vegas speakers started in Queens. There were two movie theaters across the street from each other, and when I was about 10, I went to the movies with my older family members to watch one of the popular Blaxploitation movies that were out during the time, and the sound went completely out, the neighborhood DJ and his crew, cut the wires and took the speakers, the next day they were on the block with their new speakers winning the neighborhood battles because their sound blew everybody away. This gave birth to one of the biggest DJ crews at the time, who created the wall of sound with multiple Cerwin Vegas speakers, the crew was called ( Infinity Machine Dj's ) sorry Kool Herc and the Bronx did not start the sound systems, and DJ battles, it was all over the city. Hip-Hop as a movement was (labeled) in the Bronx, along with the recognition of the MC, rapping to hype up the crowd, DJ Hollywood, Busy-B, etc. But the culture was all over the city, I can not give the entire birth to the Bronx. And most people did not like or support Hip-Hop they said it was a fade, and would soon disappear. Little did they know it would be the biggest cultural movement ever in music worldwide, and has created more Blk & Brown millionaires and Billionaires than the world has ever seen. Blessings ( FBA ).

Lord Jamar is right.. great work!!

Glad you touched on this J. As you said, we have to let it be known and we have to tell our own story!!! Because if we don’t, our history will continue to be covered.

Almost anybody who is truly black American can tell you what part of the south your family from !

Moreno like Mayatay is saying what we are we are Moors and we descend from Mayans My GMom from Florida much love and respect for you Lord✊🏽

At the end of the day i don’t care who was/wasnt there it’s about the culture that was used and being operated under…Every single element is connect to Black America, thats why it’s ours, all of ours. The other groups cant just shoehorn their people in bcus some of them were down and contributing

I love that you stand on truth and not perception and emotion. Great clarity and much respect good brother. Let’s not forget the political ramifications of allowing others to takeover what FBAs have started/created. We clearly see the agenda of non-FBAs undermining FBAs and usurping resources and power from us. To me this whole discussion has that undertone. Peace to the Gods and Earths!

Puerto Ricans called Hip Hop "jungle" music in the beginning. When it started they thought it was a fad

Not for nothing something that brought unification is now being used to divide is regressive and is a black eye to hip hop period. Im Puerto rican and we never claimed to create hip hop but at the same time we took it on to identify us aswell especially to rep NYC as a whole.

Great performance in Baltimore Lord Jamal!! Y’all did y’all thing at the Happy Nappy Festival!!

Most likely those instigating this nonsense have a vested interest to keep people divided. The one thing I know for sure being born in the bx in 1970 Hip Hop was a FBA or Afro American experience. Being Puerto Rican as I got older it was the streets and school that introduced me to the culture. If anything most Puerto Ricans were influenced and adopted the culture from the beginning. My personal skill which came naturally to me was Djing starting with puase tapes and later on wax etc. Back then in my world it was disco. My own father would ask me if I was Moreno. Now is the time to rally unify and put the hate to rest. Salute!!! Ps speaking spanish is just another language of the so called conquerers.

It's always about money. With break dancing going into the Olympics. People are trying to get to the bag. So coming up with these lies is the way confused and eventually lie about it's origin. As for the FBA part. As long as you have FBA in your bloodline. You're good.

This entire segment was wisely spoken.FROM KNOWLEDGE TO BORN.

I Love How You Put It. I'm not here To Take away but to allow the adding to

I was a kid in South London when the "Pass the Dutchie" came out and that song was a hit not because FBA made it popular..the song was popular because places like London, Toronto, New York, Florida etc has alot of Caribbeans... So in London it became popular because there there is alot of Jamacians there.

You FBA Lord Jamar! Your mother is FBA and you were born on American soil so you are part of the lineage. Plus you got the spirit ✊🏾

People regard me as the most efficient debater on youtube when I decide to comment due to the kilshot facts, but let me be clear. I dont say things meaning to break the spirit. I say em to break the chains. I say things aiming force you to see things in a different light before you can even begin to respond. I call it 3D and 4D thinking. Facts Machine YT might have to come soon so we can really have these conversations with each other.

Thank you big bro for ending this bs. All respect to the participants but it's time to take our creations back.

people need to peep the 1940's and see how the actual break dancing kicked off...blues . jazz and the swing era along with the music helped to create hip-hop..it goes real deep..

I had this "HipHop" friend that one day was so disturbed by the notion that HipHop involved Latinos. His Latino co-workers were artists, and it was their inner homie beef.

Merging 2 languages in Hip Hop is NOT a Flex..

There is no such thing of one individual creator of hip hop. Hip hop was a multiphasic event that took place during the early 70’s with a lot of things happening in real time at one time. That means one group of people outside of what was considered American Norms, due to their Uniqueness and musical upbringing made what was unorthodox musically, normal to the world. Other groups who shared living spaces with these particular folk then jumped on whenever they did and contributed in their way. However, they did not create Hip Hop on no level. Now, what group of people continue to be the pioneers of music in America repeatedly? The folks that mainstream society continues to rip off and whitewash, well now they're trying to Latino/ Caribbean wash FBA culture. If you came to the same conclusion I did. Then you know who created hip-hop? It was those same folk who created Funk, Disco, House Music, Blues, Jazz, Rock&Roll, modern R&B, Soul, Classic Soul, Neo Soul, Country Music, and any admixture or offshoots of any of these. These art forms represent the foundation of most modern music today and they All were created by, Black Americans, African Americans, Freeman, FBA, colored Folk in America, American Negros. We are known by all these titles/names but the latest name we except is Foundational Black American/ FBA for short. You're welcome.

The Government created Hip-Hop...is the reason y there is no clear individual that started Hip-Hop.

The nuances is what's so overlooked. In terms of Hip-Hop classic songs : " DANCE TO THE DRUMMERS BEAT " , " GOODTIMES "," LOVE IS THE MESSAGE " all three are all time Hip-Hop classics of the Park Jam Era of Hip-Hop. These songs are not rap songs yet they're Hip-Hop classics. And this speaks to the very essence of rap music and Hip-hop Culture in that when GRANDMASTER CAZ ( CASANOVA FLY ) stated quite profoundly Hip-Hop didn't invent anything but it REINVENTED EVERYTHING! Just think about what Black American People made Hip-Hop that wasn't intended to be Hip-Hop: TIMBERLAND work boots , Sheepskin coats, Farmer Lee's, Shell toe Adidas ect. So now when these FBA movement emma effaz talk about rap was here way before New York City, they reference JAMES BROWN, THE LAST POETS, JOCKO HENDERSON, GIL SCOTT HERON ect to make their inaccurate points but it only illustrates what the essence of Hip-Hop Culture is all about. It takes what's already there and throws it back in your face in a totally new innovative form that the original artists didn't intend or think of. Hip-Hop takes from everywhere not just other music genres but from other fields from film to newscast , Pop Culture itself but the originality comes in the recreation and innovation. From the Caribbean: Latinos ( Puerto Ricans ) were there no question, Jamaicans were there no question. People forget that New York City is the quintessential international city in the world. But the Black American influence world wide cannot be overstated. Black People in America set the standard for just about everything. And whether it's Black American or Carribean, Latino it's ALL BLACK! All aspects of Hip-Hop was created by BLACK PEOPLE. And finally when it comes to rapping itself it's not new , GARY BYRD , JOCKO HENDERSON, GIL SCOTT HERON, JAMES BROWN, THE LAST POETS these bruthaz are forerunners of Rap Music. So for all this bickering to go on about who did what when it all comes from BLACK ANYWAY makes no sense. However it cannot be overlooked that Black People from the Caribbean historically have impacted Black America from the HAITIAN REVOLUTION and it's inspirational impact on the Slave revolts in North America, MARCUS GARVEY came from Jamaica and organized Black Americans and stood up for Black People in Amerikkka and worldwide, STOKELY CARMICHAEL aka KWAME TURE born in Trinidad made a profound impact on Black America so all this debate between Black People in North America and the Caribbean causing division it's like THE HONORABLE MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN born in The Bronx, NYC who himself comes from Carribean ancestry starting with his parents. Father from Jamaica , mother from Saint Kitts said : " WE ARE EXALTING OUR OWN DIVISION ". So the question then becomes....WHY ?

I'm Puerto Rican and I agree almost with everything you have said the only I don't agree is "moreno" is not a bad word. We in fact call each other moreno.

Spanish Portuguese and Jewish (Sephardic): nickname for someone with dark hair and/or a swarthy complexion from Spanish and Portuguese moreno 'dark brown swarthy' or 'dark-skinned dark-haired' from Late Latin maurinus a derivative of classical Latin Maurus 'Moor'.

Lord Jamar is FBA period

Black Rappers used Mafia imagery from MOVIES and names so now Italians want credit but I thought that Italians didn't want to be associated with the Mafia?

💪👏👏👏👏Thank you Lord 4 touching on this topic

Sound system culture comes from JA 🇯🇲 just saying. You can go look and do your research.

Come on Lord Jamar (I'm a fan - OK?). This is the Reparations Standard - 1. Only one line of descendancy from American slavery. That definitely makes you entitled to 100% of Reparations. 2. Self Identification on government documents as Colored, Negro, Black, and African American for at least 12 years before the start of a Reparations program. Fair? The best literature on this is in two books written by the foremost authority on Black Reparations in the 21st Century. Dr. William Darity Jr. of Duke University. "From Here to Equality" and "The Black Reparations Project."

The finishing topping of this $h!t sundae Busta Rhymes created is that he mentioned that "Americans Have No Culture". I'm like ok. He must've not listen to those Jamaican old heads givin Black Americans their just due, because the Jamaicans back then were listening to R&B and Blues to craft their sound in Jamaica. Furthermore, isn't Busta Rhymes rap name from a former Black American NFL player ?

The Rap Group "Mean Machine" had a Smash Hit Single "Dream Machine" 1981, and had the first Hispanic Rappers Signed to a Major Rap Record Label (Sugarhill Records). They even Rapped in Spanish on the Record. A Forgotten Classic Hit! That's when we Started seeing More Hispanics Grabbing the Microphone. Mean Machine Helped with that.

To be honest.... this is a conversation that only heads from nyc & Jersey over 50 can have. All do respect.... so if lord jamar says it.... ill take it as gospel!

A lot of so called Puerto Ricans are black or half black anyway.

Rican Emcees that I know of Whip,Rubie Dee,Tito,Markie Dee,Kurios George,Fat Joe,Chino Xl,Big Pun,NORE,Cuban Link,Joel Ortiz,Hurricane G,Charlie Hustle

I agree with something he is saying, Moreno means a black person . He just said Puerto Rican was there from the beginning, then was djs. Mcs , Graffiti, bboys. The influence was the West Indians, Puerto Ricans we took hip-hop to another level . As today almost the hip-hop nation are carribean 😂😂 he said 10%😂😂😂 black Brothers want all the credit and the shine 😂😂 u can't do that . Playing that shit that ricans didn't like blacks 😂😂😂 there was Ricans in black spades , darken then the black Brothers 😂😂😂 lord Jamar you crazy .

King I don’t subscribe to people who know what I know. I subscribed today as a longtime lurker because of your fearlessness to tell the truth and intelligence to speak it eloquently.

This argument has been settled on michaelwaynetv , hip hop started with the black spades and bronxdale houses

At the end of the day all that matters is who's controlling it and who's making the most money from it we all know who they are

All...FACTS!!! Peace God!!!

Hip Hop was created by me. I started it in 1974. End of story.

What's wild is even the 1st beat machine was made by a blk wht and Japanese men engineers. The beat machine used to make the early rap albums. Run DMC LL. ETC...

If your family weren’t here in the 1800,s and you cannot trace your history to the American south you are something different!

Everyone else are "participants" in hip hop. The blueprint for hip hop style and sound was not 50%. The style and sound may have evolved over the years by various "participants" but give originator credit where credit is due.

glad to see you have embraced FBA. I was against it at first also until i started realizing we should have our own identity. most of us have no direct lineage to africa to call ourselves african american. which was invented in the 1980s by jesse jackson

Ain't no myth man..The Blk Spades is always been regarded as the ones responsible for the energy that gave rise to NY street culture later dubbed Hip Hop. Now y'all wanna give a non FBA the credit bc he thru a party & used all the tricks he learned from us

Fab 5 Freddy did "Change the beat" in French and English...

P.E.A.C.E. I seen a documentary about Hip Hop and from that I will say this Kool Herc was an innovator. New York DJ's already had two turntables BUT Kool Herc, playing to a younger crowd, realized the break part of the record is what moved that younger hip crowd. Kool Herc is an innovator because of the demographic he was appealing too it really is just that simple. Creator no! Innovator yes! The problem I have with these non-FBA/ADOS is that they black until they accomplish something, but soon as they do here come the "I am Jamaican, I am Caribbean, I am Nigerian, whatever that means. The easiest thing to be in America is a black immigrant all you have to do is show up say you black and receive resources. Then when you level up proclaim you something different! We not trying to separate from all black non- FBA/ADOS we are FINALLY agreeing with ya'll yes, we are different and very separate! WHITE AMERICA HAS A BLACK AMERICA SOUL! Sorry to all other blacks that resent that. Btw, Fat Joe is a WHITE Latino who grew up poor in the Bronx notice he keeps his hair cut short look at his older pictures he looks just like what he is around saying nigga because he grew up around us!

I can listen to Lord J talk all day. With no other cohost

I'm in my 60s and I remember when hip hop first started Spanish people were not into Hip-hop they was into Salsa they wasn't even listening to Soul and R&B,but then break dancing started to come in the 80s that's when they became involved,, but break dancing was not at the beginning of Hip Hop. I mean Hispanic people can claim that they help created the dance called the Hustle from Salsa. Because back in the early Seventies the Blacks Americans in Brooklyn used to do the Gangster Hustle but we only use one hand then the Disco era came and they start doing the Hustle with two hands like they would do when they were doing Salsa. But to be honest the first person I ever heard Rap was DJ Hollywood.

If a Jamaican created Hip Hop then what Jamaican artist is the most sampled in Hip Hop? Name the various phrases from Reggae, Dance hall or Jamaican patois that were adopted by Hip Hop. Can you show any Jamaicans rapping and break dancing in 30s and 40s way prior to Hip Hop?

Let’s keep in mind Jamar is from New Rochelle and I am from Harlem but we are GODs.

Peace gods, earths and family. Thank you for standing on this pioneerWe have to really actually date these 85 and 10 percent so they can overstand our true contributions towards world progress gee. Right before the edict of Theodosius 4th century BCE the major “Greek philosophers” all learned and were taught the African system of salvation as neophytes and went through an entire educational life mastering process taught by African priests. Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, all learned mathematics, sciences, and arts( as a requirement for mastery) from African teachers. These so called “Greek philosophers” were persecuted and indicted by the Athenian government for bringing back and spreading “false doctrine” that European science originated with and thrived from. So our immigrant gods also have a major angle with receipts. Our FBA native black Americans (like my family) went through the process of ruining an African; our ancestors whom made it were forced to adapt to black subculture still intelligent but , hence hip hop, then rap. Ownership and power of black arts, culture and science seems to have been commandeered by the system and infrastructure that now has our 5% and 10% most talented playing hunger games with their own bag.

PRs made huge contributions to Hip Hop in reference to Break Dance and Graffiti. Peace

Rapping was actually a southern thing

that's your view, your truth might not be the same for someone else's truth. So this is just your personal story and journey.

Are Latinos guest in the house of hip hop or not, somebody keeps dodging that question

One minute everybody is telling Jamar that there are no guests in hip hop. Now everyone is “Please lord give your opinion” the truth always shines

I remember The Melle Mel and absolutely Fab 5 Freddy joint "Change The Beat" specifically mad props Lord J.. Every where they try to crumb snatch our shit they discover Brothers already done it. Like Tariq said being there is NOT CREATING IT which is the fuckin' difference. Give us our props B. Knock It Off. Most PR's I remember with respect on the streets as a kid in The eary 70's wasn't Hip Hop cats. They were huge gang members like "The Ching-A- Ling Nomads" Of Red Hook Brooklyn.. The Cuban cats used to be outside in The Conga Line while The Disco Enforcers were jammin' in Coffey Park killing it but that wasn't Hip Hop. That was a cultural respect of 2 different communities.

*Facts that can't be obfuscated in FBA founding on all components of hip hop. This stuff is timestamped and recorded* 1 Herc never said he transplanted hip hop from his homeland of Jamaica to NY. In fact, the opposite was said on a 1989 recorded interview. He notes that people weren't feeling his native music at the time so funk and soul was played...and James Brown was the main one. 2 Ken Swift and Crazy Legs both allude to the African American origins of the dance. Legs says in like the latter 70s, they would call it that Morano style whenever the moves that came from early 70s Zulu Kings was seen. Morano denotes black and original in this context. He says this is the original style (tho played out by the latter 70s - very very early 80s). Puerto Rican youth added much to that. 3 In a interview circa 1984, Mele Mel was asked where do you guys get names like Grand Master Flash. Long before Ytb and Internet, Mel tells us...we were influenced by people like Grand Master Flowers of 60s Brooklyn. 4 Coke la Rock (African American), the first rapper and best friend of Kool Herc starting in the 1960s ( middle school). He says that it wasn't a music genre back then, but that's just the way he talked when on the Mic giving announcements...and the people loved it. This is a very important detail because specifically African American announcers and performers have always rhyme talked to beats in this manner, going back to the 30s and 40s. Back then ya might hear ... "WELL AH REET, ALL ROOT, ALL RIGHT...BE AT THE JITTER BUG CONTEST TONIGHT. You have the Co Real Artist out of Los Angeles (total opposite side of country) with the 1974 song "What ya Gonna Do In The World Today". The sound like 79-81 Funky Four Plus One. Jacko Henderson in the 50s, Jubilees in the 40s, Pig Meat Marten in the 60s. In a 1973 movie called Five on the Black Hand Side, the Kool guy who walks into the barbershop and turns the jukebox on, starts doing what they once called jive talking. Sounds so much like rap, the Sugar Hill Gang used one of the verses Keep in mind that KRS1 references Coke in a 80s rap. His partner was Scott LA Rock, and the followed the trend from early 70s Coke La Rock. We also have ShaLa Rock...female rapper from the latter 70s - early 80s, and others 5 Batch, a Puerto Rican guy who created TBB as a youth in circa 1975-76. They were a breaking crew. He tells Colin on a Livestream ( no time to edit out😂)....YOU CAN SEE ON MY SCREEN IM PROUD OF MY RICAN HERITAGE WITH THE FLAG ON THE WALL, BUT THIS HIPHOP COMES FROM THE BROTHAs... Deer in the headlights look 6 Everyone that came up in the Bronxdale projects during that time of the 60s and early 70s seem to remember DJ King Mario (African American).. concurrent with Herc. In fact, a few said they knew each other, but Mario like to do outdoor block party/festival style, while Herc was more indoor venues. 7 One of the first Hispanic hip hop DJs said he seen all black people back then and sometimes wondered if he would be rejected based on his ethnic background. He found a warm welcome, because it was based on how good you were and not race. HE WAS GOOD. (in other words, even a African American youth would be booed off the stage and told to go back to his borough in a NYC accent).

Jamar can't name one pioneer Puerto Rican.. James brown was the first rapper so hip hop technically from SC

SOMEONE NEEDS TO INTERVIEW WORLD FAMOUS DJ HOLLYWOOD PLEASE

The sad part of the whole thing is this is divisive. The extra sad part is hip hop is only 50years old and we are already loosing the facts. We are already beginning to rewrite history......that means the founders are STILL alive. My thing is why after 50yrs yall having this debate.....particularly when NONE of the founding fathers have said yes, no or what have you wen it comes to the beginning. What are we talking about? N who are we going to go to for absolute facts? Marly Mal? Grandmaster flash? Lovebug starsky? We clearly can't ask herc....who never did many interviews, never was loud abt EVERYONE ELSE calling him the grandfather......so where is this coming from? Fat Joe wasn't wrong and neither was Busta. Yall sound real white Manish.

The turntable SP-10 came out in 1970 so you telling me that herk came from poor ass Jamaica in 1970 to New York, with turntables and no body in the entire New York, which was all ways a fast city. Mad lion was the first reggae artist to get on and video music box.puerto Ricans was mainly dancing, two out of every 100 is a small participation.

All I remember Jamaicans doing is remaking and fkn up ALL OF OUR MUSIC making it sound horrible

HipHop was created by Palestinians!! WE DA BEST!! ANOTHA 1

Peace beloved, let's bulid. 🙏🏿 💯

HipHop Artist's Who Are Jamaicans: 1)Biggie 2)Marcus Garvey 3)Uncle Luke 4)KRS-One 5)Bob Marley 6)Shaba Ranks 7)Farrakhan 8)

Thank you for keeping it a BUCK!

The 50% is not debatable we know specific individuals that were a part of the culture from the beginnings. The simultaneous DJ's in all the buroughs at the same time is real, what they all were playing wasn't the same but to be real about sound system culture we need to look at actual dates. Herc never played up his Jamaican roots and culture so that part of the story is often forgotten.

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Thank you for remembering Changed the beat. Also, I forgot the Mel joint.

Puerto Ricans were not there in the early 70s djying, rapping and breaking they didn't come around until the 80s

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FACTS DIVIDE AND CONQUER IS BEING PUSHED BUT BY WHO 🤔

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Ya'll need to go read the authorities on the subject matter, e.g., Prof. Trisha Rose, "Black Noise: Rap Music and Black Culture in Contemporary America.'' There are distinctions that MUST be made with "retention patterns (influences), collective consciousness, and genetic memory." In juxtaposition, we need to speak truthfully about those who were/ARE the pioneers and WHERE, i.e., the country they come from! Even so, it doesn't take away from the INFLUENCES that came from Black Americans. What it truly amounts to is the classic case of DIVIDE & CONQUER vis-a-vis DIVIDE & CONQUER and those who fail to see this strategy!

Bob Dylan said that Big Brown or Big Brown Detroit and others from the south were in New York in the 50s and 60s rapping in the park, I'll let him explain it to you: Bob Dylan has several times remarked on Brown’s influence on his music. Dylan, who saw Brown perform in Washington Square Park in the early 1960s, later recalled, "All these black guys would come up from south of the border and recite poetry in the park. Now they’d call them rappers. The best was a guy named Big Brown, who had long poems, each one was about 15 minutes long, and they were long, drawn-out bad man stories, romance, politics, just about everything you can imagine was thrown into his stuff. I always thought this was the best poetry I ever heard."[1]

Lord Jamar, I was just eager to know your take and how you felt about the newest headline where it says Eminem is close to achieving EGOT status, meaning that he'll be the first rapper to soon have an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, and a Tony award all at once. What are your thoughts considering the fact that Hip Hop has been around long before Eminem was ever thought of? How do you feel about the media portraying Hip Hop as though NONE of the Black Talent pool, which had dominated the genre for decades were, as the article insinuates, "Influential" enough to achieve this same status in the history of its entire conception? And lastly, how do you explain the phenomenon surrounding Eminem's quick ascent into HIp Hop's "Legendom"?

We wonder why it’s so difficult for the culture to move forward because even people within the same culture, no matter where you were born on the map whether it be Puerto Rico Dominican republic or anywhere else does not mean you’re not from Africa. These people have been a white washed in more ways than one and they try to do everything possible to separate themselves from the original man, nothing wrong with having pride in your culture or even your ethnic upbringing but it is sad when you forget that you are actually black/African, so much divisiveness!!!