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Here is only the SHOOTOUT section of my big Tonemaster video...
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@MAV4Soul 4 года назад

This is the first useful comparison demo. Awesome job Henning.

@LivingstonWard 4 года назад

I have done live A/B testing of these two amps with different guitars and various settings. They don't sound exactly the same, but what surprised me was how much I liked the Tone Master. I have been a tube snob for nearly 50 years, but I think that in a blind test, there's a good chance I'd pick the Tone Master over the "real" amp.

@tonebone69 4 месяца назад

Ive A/B'd them as well, but only for "clean" sound. In person they sound like two completely different amps. I prefer the dr, but I liked the tonemaster. The tonemaster is warmer, but also less detailed and less chimey. But still a good sound. One source of the difference is probably the speaker. The tonemasters have neodynium speakers, which honestly will never sound as pretty as ceramic ones. Neo speakers are light, but have inferior sound. They are always too warm and dont have enough pretty high end chime. Yeah you save weight, but you sacrifice so much in sound, i dont see how its worth it. Play the tonemaster through the standard dr speaker (c12k) and i bet it sounds much closer to the dr.

@jimmy5634 2 месяца назад

@@tonebone69I bought my Deluxe Reverb Tonemaster because it sounds “like” the tube version and it’s easy to carry. Nobody who hears us at gigs gives a good hoot and wouldn’t know the difference anyway. I had the tube version for years and there is nothing like one, but it’s too dang heavy to lug around at my age.

@brentvalleywhag3477 4 года назад

* To those insisting the difference just comes down to the speaker- The speaker of the tone master has been specially crafted for this amp in order to get it to sound AS CLOSE to a tube deluxe reverb as possible. If they both used the same speaker then they would sound even further apart

@HamzaJamzaFamza 4 года назад

💯

@Javier-qk7ms 3 года назад

Bazinga

@mrcoatsworth429 Год назад

Have you tried this or do you just assume this?

@gregjgman 6 месяцев назад

There's a good reason to insist that the difference comes down to the speaker because one can bypass the physical speaker of the TMDR and line it out using the IR. Comparing THAT signal to a real mic'd tube amp, I would think that the differences would be even LESS.

@Renshen1957 2 месяца назад

If modifying a speaker that was all that was needed to make a solid state amp into a tube amp it wasn’t tried before…as to digital modeling is always been close but no cigar…but this claim is Pixie Dust…There is another factor,variance between tubes within a brands both preamp and power tubes as well with the remaining manufacturer brands. You can set up a demo to fool some of the people some of the time….but the variables with guitars, pickups…and then there’s pickups, as well as players. Nice try, but I ain’t buying it…Same to thing with church organs and closer to guitars, harpsichords and pianos and digital modeling. The current, Classic, well known bands and has been artists will use this amp in concert for convenience, and more than likely record with these and for the old farts spare their backs, but this demo is marketing. Nobody creates something new with recorded samples. In short hogwash…been to live concerts and it’s different venue to venue. That’s part of the reason to attend a performance, to here something familiar in a new way not a note for note reproduction of a studio recording. The tone is in the fingers and technique of the artist…A good tube amp with maintenance and check ups re capping etc. can last a long time, unless it’s a Fender tube amp from the Red Knob era onwards (exception amps built in the manner of Tweed, Blackface, and early Silverface eras. RU-vid is replete with Hot Rod Deluxe, Etc. Videos on repairing problems with E-Caps, PCB, and the like as Fender wanted to save a few dollars ($5.00-10.00) or was it planned obsolescence, or to keep repairmen employed? Why would a Tonemaster be any different since it seems accountants run Fender since the 1990s?

@geoffreymathieu7749 4 года назад

I did A/B session with on TMTR and one Deluxe Reverb. The price and the weight wasn't an issue for me. After one hour I decided to buy the TMTR ... I love the sound and the fact that you can play with many different level. In the tone Master you don't have to push the sound level to have nice sound.

@2GoldensTosa 4 года назад

Played the Tonemaster today at a local shop. No - it's not as good as the tube version. However, if you want a great "throw and go" amp it's GREAT. Loved the power attenuation feature that yielded a bunch of useable tones, too. For the kind of smaller and social combo gigs I do, this is ideal and helluva lot easier to haul than my AC-15. Ultra light, great vibrato and priced right. Great demo. I'm sold.

@richardjames6623 4 года назад

What was the differences? Were you able to do a side by side? Big difference from an AC15

@DeadHandBlues 4 года назад

Have you tried the Vox MV50 AC?

@Kerosenetrewthe 4 года назад

Tonemaster is definitely brighter, spankier, while the tube amp is warmer, richer. Both sound good, just depends on what tone you like better.

@coppulor6500 2 года назад

my thoughts exactly. what I want to know is if you can you feel a difference.

@harleyhexxe9806 4 года назад

Finally! What I've been waiting for has been a side by side comparison between the Tone Master amps and their Tube counterparts! Now I know that I need a pair of Tone Master Twins to take the place of my old tube Twins on the road. I don't believe I will sacrifice anything as far as my guitar tones go, but I'll be gaining a few other advantages instead. No more open mics with bleed from the drummer, and no more feedback issues. Thank you for posting this!!! This has been very helpful

@jasong546 4 года назад

When I played the tone master deluxe in a store, and the tube, it was hard to tell except the feel was a little different and you can’t leave the knobs in the same position. Heck you can’t get the same from 2 tube versions with the “exact settings “. They vary too. I loved it.

@coppulor6500 2 года назад

ahhh......finally some feedback on feel. is the feel close or good enough? I'm leery of SS amps due to feel. if it doesnt feel good, then theres no point IMO

@ajmee9664 4 года назад

The visual of the waveforms is super helpful - great stuff HP!

@vinicioserafini5929 4 года назад

For what i hear, the high frequencies in the tube version are much smoother and the low ones are much thighter. May be the tubes, the different speaker or whatever but I find the tube one more pleasing to listen to.

@JS-nf1sn 4 года назад

Great video. I also watched the other one you did on the Tonemaster. I really appreciate that you do an honest review even when Fender sponsors the video.

@troyshellhamer9964 3 года назад

The blonde deluxe reverb has a different speaker in it... I would love to see this same comparison with that model! (Thanks for such an awesome comparison also!)

@bobrock44 4 года назад

As a weekend warrior local gigger this thing is the best piece of gear I own . I have run a 74 Deluxe Reverb before . I ordered the Tonemaster into my local music store without demo where I did a direct demo against a 68 re-issue Deluxe reverb when it arrived and was blown away . I think there may be some difference but minimal and you could demo two tube amps of the same model and hear differences too , there are a lot of variables . At the end of the day this amp sounds beautiful......comes with awesome reverb and vibrato , works well with pedals . The attenuator works well and has been super practical and makes matching volume with my band and room settings a breeze . My bandmates , fellow musicians and followers of my band have noticed and all love the tones I am getting out of this thing......25 pounds pick it up and run to your next show with ease and sound great . To me totally worth the price with the features it has . I am a tube snob.....for me this amp sounds great and is super practical .

@richardjames6623 4 года назад

Thanks for an actual constructive side by side review.

@Patrick_Garrett 4 года назад

Band mixes destroy 99% of tone snob arguments. Most points are mute.

@curtrod 12 дней назад

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@hermar3656 4 месяца назад

This is the future of amps . Gonna see all the great amps do this and im here for it !!!

@frankie4321 4 года назад

The video we’ve all been waiting for, great job with the side by side, very well done

@simms75 3 месяца назад

This should be the standard for any X v Y kind of demo, be it amps, pedals, guitars.. No talk, great visuals, great playing... Perfect.

@lofilukelukoala8121 2 года назад

There may be a sound difference but the weight and the possibility of lower volume levels are very cool aspects of the TM. Ofc the tube sound is the ultimate sound, but it kills your ears and your back lol

@Jef-sj6zc Год назад

The Tonemaster has less natural compression and doesn't have such a 'warm ' sound as the tube version . With a clean and crunch sound you can hear this at his best . It's strange because if you don't hear it then you can feel it when playing ; the Tonemaster has a colder sound and it peacks more when you hit the strings .

@yumadapaka 4 года назад

Best comparison video hands down. I’m sold. The tone master sounds great!

@EricMerrow Год назад

I’m so curious about the tonemaster amps! I love the idea and concept and I absolutely want to get one. I kinda wish they wouldn’t have named the models the same as the tube versions only because it instantly draws that comparison and kinda perpetuates the tube vs digital debate. If it sounds good, it is good!

@Doug5524 4 года назад

Well done Henning, you have done it again an excellent side by side demo as only you can, I use the original Fender Deluxe and a Roland Blue Cube Artist so I'm used to both types of amp I do prefer my Fender Deluxe it seems to be a lot smoother and warmer, an all-rounder thanks you for the demo

@yoavkartun6355 4 года назад

Best comparison I've ever heard!!

@miketauri6090 2 года назад

The crunch is where the tube just takes off. But both sound amazing

@reverendraftboy95 4 года назад

Dear tube snobs: I promise you that an audience will NOT notice that your Deluxe Reverb doesn't have tubes in it. I promise you that on stage your band will NOT notice that your Deluxe Reverb doesn't have tubes in it; especially through monitors. I promise you that in a band mix YOU will NOT notice that your Deluxe Reverb doesn't have tubes in it. I promise you that everyone WILL hear a guitar. If you have to listen to these videos with headphone to hear nuances between mids and speakers, then it kind of proves my point... you probably won't be playing the amp through headphones. Yes, you will hear a difference between the two amps because it's TWO DIFFERENT AMPS! You will hear a difference between two IDENTICAL amps that came off of the assembly line one after the other because it's TWO DIFFERENT AMPS!

@mertgunes9854 4 года назад

The truth, right here

@RiperSnifle 4 года назад

Yeah but that's not really the point is it ... people don't just play tube amps because they sound great, they also FEEL radically different when in their sweet spot than something solid state. Nobody cares what the audience thinks, what i care about is yeah how it sounds but also how it FEELS. IF these have a very similar feel (the sound is pretty good anyway with the tonemaster) then they're onto a winner. I've never played a tonemaster but i know for sure a proper tube amp in it's zone feels like nothing else.

@KelsterVonShredster 4 года назад

@@RiperSnifle I agree with you.....100%....I'm a tube snob...but....I a/b'd these two amps in a store and was blown away....I actually preferred the Tone Master just because the sound was the same and I had the added convenience of the attenuator and DI out.....

@KevinOBrien88 4 года назад

@@KelsterVonShredster I already have a Princeton Reverb RI, but even at 12W it's pretty loud when most my playing time is late at night when my son has gone to bed. I'm really having a hard time deciding to get an Ox Box / Boss TAE / Captor X for attenuation / silent recording or getting the Deluxe Reverb Tone master. Any advice?

@FLdb-wj4wc 4 года назад

Idk.... I've been searching for a lightweight non tube amp and so far they suck. I had the blues cube & the katana artist and they both went back. The blues cube was really good at one sound but not versatile enough for a cover band and sounded bad with any kind of drive pedal in front of it. The katana artist was really bad. I don't understand how anyone could like it.

@petesmusic 2 года назад

To my old broken in ears the twin deluxe reverb wins by a mile. Love the tube sound.

@manaras Год назад

I agree , in the modeler the mids are in the “wrong place” ( too much towards low-mids) compared to the tube amp. I think that it can be firmware- fixed someway by fender if they listen closely to this video

@lorenmorgan1931 11 месяцев назад

I think that is why in all the demos I prefer the Tonemaster. Ii just, read an, interview about Mike McCready replacing all Fender DR touring amps with these and it got me intrigued. I think I'm ready to go buy one

@RedLikeAnOrange 4 года назад

Could Fender improve the distortion of the Tone Master to match the valve's with a firmware update?

@giantfella 2 года назад

Sincerely Thank you for this one. Love the extra girth the tubes give. And can cross the TM off my list.

@maxrockatansky8399 4 года назад

The tube DR sounds a bit more gainy, especially when turned up, the tonemaster seems to have some extra headroom so it sounds a little cleaner, but less lively and organic. The reverb and trem sounded much better on the tube amp though. Both are great sounding amps nonetheless and in a mix would be pretty indistinguishable I think.

@bumblefritz 4 года назад

They both honestly sound great. The tone master does a great job recreating the reverb and trem of the original. Minimal differences will happen between any amps, especially with different speakers, speaker age, tube age, etc.

@robertmailloux3720 4 года назад

Those new Fender amps are sure fun.Lightweight.

@HomeGuitarMods 4 года назад

I all ways love the “its not tube” comments from all you playing clean amps using none tube drive pedals. Thanks for the comparison. I love my hot rod deville, but after stuffing two Eminence Governors in it, it’s a bit on the heavy side and the volume is unusable past 1 1-1/2 on most stages. These are super enticing.

@christopherrusch 3 года назад

the tonemaster distortion is SO GOOD

@MutethatBozo 4 года назад

The Tonemaster is an interesting concept. It'll be interesting to see if and how it evolves. Something to keep an eye on. Good comparison video. Animals at the end!

@oudaram1 4 года назад

i'm gonna wait for tonemaster II, to see how close it gets. I like the attack of a tubeless amp, i play cleaner, but want to hear a more full body like the tube deluxe

@rikardlundgren7779 4 года назад

Both sounds good ! But with distortion the real tube amp sounds better.

@bradleybriscoe6108 4 года назад

@Rikard Lundgren I agree, but they (tube amps) can sound just as good pushed with a overdrive pedal or Tube Screamer if that's the sound someone is going for. But I do agree with you. Same goes in the rock and metal field with tube amps, they just sound warmer and more responsive.

@frankie4321 4 года назад

I do own the Tone Master Deluxe and I’ve found running at 22 watts with the volume between 2 to 4 for a clean , high headroom setting you can run overdrive pedals with all the harmonic richness of a overdriven tube sound beautifully. Hitting the amp with a Tube screamer pedal at this setting is pure heaven tone wise. Running the amp at 5 watts and below with a TS style pedal the tone is just ok, at 22 or even 12 watts it sounds every part a tube amp, the compression , harmonics and feel is there. Try one out in store with one of those green pedals and I guarantee you’ll have a smile from ear to ear.

@stevep1941 3 года назад

@@LeviBulger I've gigged with DRRIs over the last 10 years(and a '69 DR in the early 70s), and now done a few gigs with the Tonemaster. They sound like every other DR I've used.

@bciecko1 2 года назад

Funny, I though the opposite. The Tonemaster seemed like it had more presence. The tube sounded a little flatter to me.

@coppulor6500 2 года назад

@@stevep1941 do you still feel that way? also, does it feel the same when you play it as the tube version? that's just as, if not more, important to me than the tone.

@theshyguy1580 4 года назад

Crazy how they almost got close to the sound structure of the original. But when we got to the distortion, you can definitely hear the differences. But that doesn't make them bad amplifiers though. The tonemaster sounds bright on distortion though it has some warmth to it, whereas the original one mellows the sharpness out of the sound but it's still punchy and gritty. One just does things a little differently. Personally in my opinion, despite one being digital and the others being analog tubes , they're both great amps in their own right. For fender to even go as far from learning from the mistakes they made with the Mustang GT amp series, study their own amp, and try to implement that in a new solid state replica is quite a technical feat, honestly.

@slimturnpike 2 года назад

Relating it to photography, it's like the tube deluxe is film and the TM is pixels

@BenBollinger 4 года назад

They both sound pretty awesome. Were they both new or was the tube amp speaker already broken in?

@EytschPi42 4 года назад

both new

@viggogrendahl1 2 года назад

The Tonemaster sounds great. Very close to the tubes one.

@mixville2 4 года назад

I've used tube amps right back to the early 70s and have owned many, including 60s and 70s blackfaces and silverfaces (when we thought they were just old) and modern boutiques. Getting on in years, I needed to lighten my load, and I've been playing out with Quilters because I think they sound and feel really good. I bought the Deluxe Tonemaster, because I felt it would have the performance of a Quilter in a Fender package that was more eh, Fendery. When I first got it I was astounded. It was like a real Deluxe. But as time wore on, there was something not right. An annoying harsh emphasis in a certain part of the high mids, that came to really annoy me (I'm also a 35 year full time audio post engineer). Perhaps the Neo speaker needed longer to break in, but I wasn't taking the chance. Barely within the 45 day return period, I returned it. For playing out I'm back with the Quilter- a Tone Block 202 through an alnico cream in a Mojotone Lite cab - weighs 22 lbs and sounds and feels warm, sparkly and fabulous. For me, maybe not for you, the Tonemaster is a GREAT idea and I hope Fender keeps refining it, but it's not quite there yet.

@susanbucket3400 4 года назад

Love the solid State

@Czyszy 4 года назад

I think the reason the tube amp sounds so vastly different is because it has a different speaker. I'd love to see a comparison through a Torpedo Live or something.

@dave5655 4 года назад

I agree, but I also add that component tolerance could be at play as well. On the clean samples, you can see on the wave the gains are slightly different. The tube amp is consistently a bit louder. I'd bet money that Fender is using 5% tolerance and that the solid stateTonemaster happens to lean towards the low side of the tolerance. If you wanted to get super anal, take the time and meter the pots to make sure that the to amps are set the same they'd be A LOT closer.

@swardmusic 4 года назад

And the TM is modelled of original DRs

@comicblueswithjonygitar36 4 года назад

Sounds different because one is a silicon sandwich that's basically on/off switch, the other is a vacuum sealed plate where electrons sizzle, excited ions glow with shimmering tones. Transistor tech unchanged from its invention. I've never seen a more reviewed musical product of any kind, Fender is throwing some serious advertising dough. People with big ears can hear what I'm saying. A scientist can show it to you with a waveform. Marketers and amateurs can say whatever they like. When you're playing real gigs with many bodies soaking up watts, drums sapping up midrange, those emulation "modeling" amps will fade out. We're talking about clear penetrating headroom that listeners feel in their bones 50ft in front of the speaker, where a DLR assembles its sound. These are gorgeous replicas of the real thing, most of you can't tell the difference of what I'm talking about, overtones, space within sound, spaciousness, shimmering reverb like your playing in ah empty swimming pool. Tech isn't always better. Mp3s don't sound as good as records. Records played on tube amps sound much better than solid state. When i was a kid, solid state was a marketing point. Who knew? Guitar players, that's who. I bought my 1st Fender DLR, a 64 Blackface, in 1978, it's still the best sounding amp. I wouldn't trade it for 5 of these. Good luck.

@waskele.wabbit717 4 года назад

@@comicblueswithjonygitar36 sounds like a lot of snobby BS. Blindfold I bet you couldn't tell the difference

@brentvalleywhag3477 4 года назад

The speaker of the tone master has been specially crafted for this amp in order to get it to sound AS CLOSE to a tube deluxe reverb as possible. If they both used the same speaker then they would sound even further apart Edit for grammar

@mindmachinepsy 4 года назад

The tube one got really great saturation but honestly overall.... Tonemaster did it for me. I'm much more sold than on the other one. I like that sound. I don't care if its trans or tube or lesbian or whatever... i like it^^

@builderphill1361 4 года назад

And it's like 50 pounds lighter lol

@mindmachinepsy 4 года назад

@@builderphill1361 I mean i don't care about the weight. I'm not that superficial. And tbh i like em a little chonky lol wrong topic... xD No srsly i think these days, transistor amps can be really good. I don't even like Fender at all, but some of the sounds just were more convinving than the tube ones^^

@Name-el9ps 4 года назад

Fun fact: Tonemasters are in fact Lesbian.

@zacharycollins6548 3 года назад

God... I really don't want to be that guy, but the Tonemaster is missing something. It's like the residual notes and chords aren't there. It doesn't allow the notes and chords to linger like the all tube amp. It sounds great, just missing that sparkle to my ears. Both great amps though.

@Jaysteenn 4 года назад

Close enough for me. 🤷‍♂️

@Mark70609 3 года назад

I occurred to me why the Tonemaster amp may be brighter. The original amps were built with 2-35% taper pots in the tone controls whereas the reissue Deluxe doesn’t have these pots as far as I know. The Tonemaster were probably built off the vintage amps as opposed to the reissues. Of course I could be mistaken. 🤔

@Anfelolovesmusic 2 года назад

Distort: Tonemaster Clean: Deluxe Rerverb. Its all. Thanks for the comparission!

@barters8124 2 года назад

The deluxe reverb sounds better everywhere. But how loud can most people play is probably the reason they’ll get a tone master. Plus theyre super easy to record from what I can tell

@guitareMTL 4 года назад

One more proof to my ears that tubes are just naturally better. But the TM was way better than I thought.

@pliniogbferreira Год назад

Excellent comparison. Thank you for this material.

@michaelallen1402 4 года назад

Great demo, best one I've seen comparing these two amps. I'm really liking the Tone Master, (not that I don't love the classic tube version). I prefer the 68 Deluxe Reverb but because of the weight difference and not having to deal with possible tube issues, I'm seriously considering the 65 Tone Master. Your demo helps a lot, thanks so much for posting!

@elvyfoster7455 4 года назад

The Tonemaster seems to be a bit more controlled in its sound. I think it would be a bit easier to control and get tones from at various settings.

@Bkintz32 4 года назад

Great demo thanks for doing that! Looks like I might save a couple hundred and still get great sound without killing my back!

@neon8270 4 года назад

At the start, I wasn't looking at the graphic and it turns out I like the tone master more lmao

@hhattingh 4 года назад

I think truthfully we all listen with our eyes

@heavymetal11 3 года назад

I too, like the tone master, but knowing which is which

@zonakmahanta 3 года назад

Me too...

@curtrod 12 дней назад

@@hhattinghI feel with my ears

@vincentneveux2161 3 года назад

Many thanks. This video just prevented me from an huge mistake. Maybe a question of personal taste but effects are much deeper and tasteful with tube version. Like if they just worked on clean behavior that is quiet close in the two versions... Strange... I'll go to try a tone Master version with my miniboard before buying.

@bluesysamurainao4557 4 года назад

Nice comparison!! Really hard to recognize which one is which on my poor earphones but there were some points I could recognize by even my cheap earphones. I dig the tube amp anyway.

@rowdyhoo 3 года назад

I can barely perceive the difference. Nice comparison. Gonna have to get me one of the Tone Masters!

@golds04 2 месяца назад

Not sure which one a person would prefer. Depends on what sounds you like. But to say they sound alike- escapes me.

@felipemu7908 2 года назад

Love Tube

@geespar1 4 года назад

They were fairly close on the clean sounds (apart from the tube amp being a bit warmer), but once things started to get dirty the tube amp stomped all over the tonemaster. Get both of them in a rehearsal room with a live band and I wouldn’t mind betting the tonemaster would get lost in the mix as well, as there isn’t enough ‘substance’ in the sound (it’s not just s matter of volume in these situations). I’m not hating on the tonemaster though, for Jazz or Country it’s probably a decent amp

@sid9170 3 года назад

Great comment. Agree completely. Have had a couple of 40 -100 watt solid state that sounded great and loud at home, but disappeared at the gig, especially OD tones.

@crackedspyglass 4 года назад

I was on board until things started getting distorted and then I got really sad.

@jakollee 3 года назад

Although this is a great comparison video, I don’t think you can really “feel” the difference from a RU-vid vid. I recently played a tonemaster twin reverb in a rehearsal studio, and having played thru plenty of real twins in my life, I can tell you there’s a big difference in the way the tube amp pushes air. The tube amp has a much punchier feel to the attack. The tonemaster is by no means a bad amp and has the convenience factor in terms of less weight and less that can go wrong, but if I were gigging at a club that had both amps, I’d choose the tube amp.

@DrKevGuitar 4 года назад

Play them through the same speaker and the differences will vanish. Fender have hit a hoem run here. Just astonishingly brilliant.

@EytschPi42 4 года назад

but according to Jensen both speakers have an identical frequency response!

@DrKevGuitar 4 года назад

EytschPi42 That’s simply not possible. But hey, you can test it today! Run each of the two amps through each speaker and compare.

@curtrod 12 дней назад

@@DrKevGuitarof course it's possible!

@pedrotavares8691 4 года назад

Nice comparison.....with a Warehouse ET 65 on each combo would be an epic demo. Thanks a lot.

@celestelongway7315 3 года назад

Dude you have such an awesome setup! very inspiring,

@byebyebeano8616 4 года назад

Well, once again, as soon as you push the tubes, it sounds way better (to my ears) in the analog world. But the cleans are ok.

@mctwishvonnoodles9793 3 года назад

At clean settings, the Tone Master seems to be a bit more scooped and have a little more presence, whereas the 65 has a bit more low mids, and feels more "rounded." As I hear the overdriven sounds, those almost seem to flip; the TM has a more "mix-ready" sound, versus the 65 sounding more "raw" and natural. When I hide the screen, I can still hear a difference but neither one is better or worse. I'd happily take either!

@ThomasDeLello 4 года назад

The old one has a slight edge. Maybe if the price comes down... a lot...! I still have my Deluxe 112 and my Stage 160.

@TheBenb1999 4 года назад

Clean I can’t really tell them apart, but I’ll re-listen with good headphones. Distorted I liked the Tonemaster better on a couple clips, but the tube version was better on most of the distorted clips. I think my take away was that neither one is a great choice for heavy distorting styles of music. EL84/34 amps for that please!

@knockitofff 3 года назад

already have the Tonemaster Twin but I'm definitely picking up a Deluxe too

@mcspankies1799 4 года назад

I cant believe im saying this but that tone master sounds nice. But i still prefer the tubed deluxe reverb

@BladeDoomer86 3 года назад

Dear lord, the difference in the distortion is crazy! Not to say one sounded better than the other, to be frank! I'd say, sometimes i prefered one, then the other, then none at all! Cleans is where it's at with a Deluxe, imo.

@Chai_K 2 года назад

I have had bad back for years and the weight of the Tone Master will definitely suits me much better, my FX pedals should be able make up for the lesser sound quality. Thanks Fender!

@BryanClark-gk6ie 2 месяца назад

Using analog instead of digital pedals helps the TM get closer to the tube version.

@Prajnana 4 года назад

I was surprised that I could hear a difference, but yes. On cleans the tubes win big: more organic, notes seem to breath, more life in them; the Tone Master has a bit more articulation that comes out on the attack but it's ever so slightly more sterile. However, the more distortion that was piled on, the better the Tone Master started sounding due to it's clarity, while the tubes, especially with massive distortion, sounded muddy and less focused. IMO, I prefer the Tubes. Lets swap speakers and try again!

@DeadHandBlues 4 года назад

Finally a real comparison. I have played them side by side and the Tonemaster is such a let down. It lacks all the tonal depth of the valve version. The Tonemaster didnt sound "bad" it is just very over hyped. I have no problem with solid state either, I love my Vox MV50.

@bradharris1110 4 года назад

My thoughts exactly. I played both at guitar center recently and the tone master didn’t have the punchy articulation of the tube version.

@ashooby 3 года назад

Yup, no bass and warmth... thing is flatter than a board had no life to it. I cranked the bass to 10 at guitar center. Didn't come close to the real twin.

@DeadHandBlues 2 года назад

I can come back 2 years later and update my opinion. This amp was definitely another reason why you give new products a year or 2 before purchasing. The Firmware update to fix the reverb and ditch the bright cap just makes these incredible. I actually picked up the Blonde version. It seems like everything got tweaked slighly with the Blonde firmware. So impressed.

@rottalmusik6563 4 года назад

The Tube version has a slightly different top end. Both sounding Nice an they Are very close. I Prefere the Tube one🤘 thanks🤘

@kazzTrismus 4 года назад

sorry guys the solid state wins it for me on every sample.. maybe a little scooped but definitely less shrill....ear splitting highs are my enemy

@Prajnana 4 года назад

Agreed, clean it was a tie, distortion the ss was more 'open', the tube version was way more compressed and muffled, IMO.

@curtrod 12 дней назад

I agree about the shrilly highs from the tube one, what's remarkable is that there are people commenting here that the tone master has brilliant highs and that the tube one is warm, huh?

@ragingchimera8021 4 года назад

Repairability?

@davidpitts7432 4 года назад

Would I prefer the sound of the real deal? Well, yea. I used to use a FDRRI as my main amp. It sounded great but was deceptively heavy and a little high maintenance. The Tonemaster doesn't exceed the original but gets pretty close in some scenarios and honestly sounds light years better than any other digital modeling attempt at a mid 60s Fender amp. It'd be interesting to hear how a Hot Rod Deluxe sounds in the same shoot out.

@slimturnpike 2 года назад

For me, the notes have a subtle, nice halo around them coming out of the tube version that is lacking in the solid state. It's like the tube version has a little opium running through its veins while the SS is straight edge. Very close otherwise.

@marigner Год назад

Good description ! I wonder if a little more reverb on the TM would make it sound like the DR..... ?

@officialpoa3171 3 месяца назад

*thank you for this video! I should have known better that you we come right and exact on this product.*

@jimmy5634 2 месяца назад

Just remember folks this comparison was done with the “reviewers ears” adjusting EQ and everything. I’ll bet any one of us could get them to sound pretty well identical to us using “our ears.”

@EytschPi42 2 месяца назад

No you couldn’t

@curtrod 12 дней назад

@@EytschPi42I agree my friend, they definitely sound a little different, thanks for the great comparison

@milesharris335 4 года назад

The middle are very different between them, especially cranked. Also the attack of the note is very different between each as well. Definitely like the tube one more and feel it would sit better in a mix. But that’s just me :)

@Sagerydian 4 года назад

Noooooo!! The tube amp sounds better. That's what we all hoped wouldn't happen. Thanks Häring for le comparison.

@BigEdWo 4 года назад

who is häring?

@nyawnyaw12345 4 года назад

The tonemaster lacks so much low mid and bass that you'd swear he's changing from say the neck pickup to the middle or bridge pickup when he changes amps. I think if i had the tonemaster I'd always want to upgrade to the tube version down the line, I bought a DRRI a few years ago and it's a dream to play through the extra weight is worth it so just save for the tube version.

@uktmaxx 4 года назад

looks like the tube amp is set louder than the other one from the waveforms... but still both sound decent

@MyVantasticLifeVoyage 3 года назад

Consider this for a moment. If you had two amp to compare the first being an all tube DR sounding as it does and the TM if you were told it was an all tube amp and you believed it was, but sounded just as it does, we’ll I don’t think anyone would say this doesn’t sound like a tube amp. You’d just think it was normal variance between two like amps.

@curtrod 12 дней назад

not necessarily

@dakotahrivers6640 4 года назад

does it drive the same way from overdrive and boost pedals though?

@LandonEaversMusic 9 месяцев назад

The real Deluxe, to my ear, has a much more open and expressive quality to it, and I actually would much prefer that in a recording environment or a high volume cranked up live scenario. However, in a LOW volume live setting (small club, etc)…The Tonemaster would be much more dynamically concise and easy to use, less dramatically extreme changes with the use of the guitar volume knob, more linear, etc.

@MF-qo4fe 3 года назад

I just wanna get the lighter amp lol

@vicpnut1 4 года назад

Imo the tone master does a very decent job of matching tone of the original . And until I just checked the costs idve said it’s a no brainer for us poorer guitar enthusiasts . My original (and incorrect thinking) was the tone master would be something like half the price of the tube version. It turns out it’s only slightly cheaper (I believe around a $100 +/- ).... yeah $100 is a $100 bit when your paying well over $500 actually closer to $1000 than $500 a $100 savings isn’t much for an amp your hoping will sound and perform like the tube version you can get for $100 more .... I don’t know if I’d risk it ... conversely , if you just prefer digital amps for connectivity or whatever reason etc ...and you want and love the deluxe tone then this is a no brainer assuming it meets your modeling amp needs and requirements...

@naturalrestingface4909 4 года назад

The divide is narrowing! Tech is advancing quickly but you'll always have the analog die-hards wanting to bench press a valve amp!

@pomod 4 года назад

A deluxe reverb really ain't that heavy. Answer here is simple, for me at least; one is an actual deluxe reverb and one is a modelling amp dressed up as a deluxe reverb.

@seanverso6712 4 года назад

Got my twin a few weeks ago

@thealmighty9655 3 года назад

great contribution! now I prefer tube version by far...

@Jaybee-i7p 2 года назад

You can spot the tube one miles away lol

@tricko2286 4 года назад

Awesome compare - Tube sounds much better

@chrisv924 2 года назад

Both sound like a “Deluxe Reverb”. Both were good. The TM is more hi-fi sounding overall. I bet if you change speakers you’d hear a whole different sounding amp.

@curtrod 12 дней назад

that's always true