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I truly believe that ‘blocking the plate rule’ does not apply during a rundown. I thought I remembered a scenario just like this last year and the announcers said that. But just like any other rundown, if the runner makes any contact with the fielder, and the fielder doesn’t have the ball, then it’s interference. Just wanted to share. Love your vids, stay safe and God Bless.. Joe in MS
Rundowns eliminate the plate blocking rule, however if Tatis had collided with Smith or had to move to avoid Smith before he has the ball obstruction would've been called. Coming from college umpire btw.
So what you're saying is that Tatis would have been safe were it not a rundown? And Jomboy's comment about how Tatis is moving before the catcher has the ball would have been relevant if it wasn't a rundown?
Jeff Zaun it can be argued that would be the case. Rundowns create interesting situations for an umpire and certain rules end up being bypassed just so the play doesn’t become a complete debacle.
whoever the white sox GM was for making that trade...do they still have a job? trading a franchise talent for a washed up james shield and cash - LOL Padres need to sign Tatis to a 10 year deal
Exactly. The best baseball play as the runner is to continue running full speed at the person blocking your basepath, so that the umpire is most likely to recognize the obstruction (which is most obvious if you actually collide with the obstructor). Of course that risks having a big collision that could lead to both people getting injured, especially in this case going against the catcher and all of his gear, so it may not necessarily be the best overall play for the runner to do run like that. If you slow down or try to go around, you don't always get the call because it isn't always obvious that the potential obstruction caused your path change. Just like how Jomboy pointed out, its not clear if Tatis Jr. changed his basepath, and if he did, there is a potential argument that he adjusted his path so that he could try to slide to avoid an upcoming tag rather than to avoid the obstruction.
Does the "blocking the plate" rule even come into effect here? It was a run down... When do you ever see a Shortstop or Third Basemen not stand in the baseline to chase a guy back? During this particular rundown, the catcher was just the next in line during the back and forth, so I don't think he did anything wrong. It wasn't a traditional play at the plate. But I'm one of those fake umpires... haha So who knows. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong.
Well you’re allowed to do whatever when you have the ball, so of course you can chase a guy back. Now in a regular run down you’re still not allowed to block a base without the ball.
Danny C. 🙄 What the hell are you trying to argue ? That was a “regular” run-down, whatever you mean. There was no base or home plate involved in this play. Turner was not near third base and Smith was not near home. ROGER, The LOS ANGELES DODGER
He has no idea what the rules are. He would rather look good and make a mistake. Just look at him-All about himself and he cannot even tag up properly. JOKER!
@@javtimestwo In a year and a half of pro baseball, that's the first legit baserunning mistake I've seen Tatis make. Everyone brain-farts from time to time. But trust me, he knows the rules.
That't not what the rule says... if it did he could be anywhere in the baseline and still be covered by "making a play on the ball". A catcher shall not be deemed to have violated Rule 6.01(i)(2) unless he has both blocked the plate without possession the ball (or when not in a legitimate attempt to field the throw), and also hindered or impeded the progress of the runner attempting to score. He's fielding the throw BUT he also positioned himself way in front of the plate before the throw was even made. It's a judgement call that could be argued either way.
@@lastrapsbaseball That and it's a rundown, a lot of the rules (especially basepaths ones) go out of the window, and a call of out makes the play not entirely a debacle. There was a lane to home, but Smith placed himself so that it wasn't good, and Tatis bet on Smith not expecting his move.
Neither the runner (Tatis) nor the catcher (Smith) were near home plate. It was simply a well-executed run-down play by the DODGERS involving the pitcher (Kelly), the 3rd baseman (Turner) and the catcher. ROGER, The LOS ANGELES DODGER
If it's not legal I don't know what Will Smith is supposed to do in that situation, just move over during the rundown and let the runner have home for free?
I think in a rundown/pickle you are allowed to stand there. It's different than other plays at the plate, because the runner doesn't have as much speed built up to cause serious injury.
guppy719 well yeah that’s how every catcher sets up when a runners coming from 3rd. So that doesn’t matter because he had the ball before tatis got there. It would only matter if he blocked tatis without having the ball.
guppy719 he was more set up in foul territory. Regardless I don’t think it’s blocking when you are like 10 feet in front of the plate and get the ball before the runner gets to you.
Let's talk about that editing, with Tatis just hanging out on the left side of our screen and then *ziiiiip* right back into frame at 1:57. Let's go Jomboy Media
I have literally no clue why the Dodgers were upset about this. It was in no way intentional or dirty. Now, I am partial because I’m a Padres fan, however I seriously doubt Tatis wanted that collision. He’s a skinny dude and would take the brunt of the hit. Plus Smith was in kind of an no man’s land spot by the plate. Regardless, I would almost guarantee Tatis was not doing that on purpose or trying to get in a dirty hit.
I agree with all of this except for you saying Tatis would take the brunt of the hit. It doesn't matter if the dude's 5'6 and 170 or 6'4 and 210, the runners going full speed and the catcher is stationary, the catcher's gonna take a fuckin shot.
Michelle Hara yeah, I agree. But Tatis is gonna take a pretty good hit too because of the equipment and being vulnerable because he was trying to avoid Smith. He’s our Messiah and he knows it, I doubt he’d willingly railroad a dude. But for whoever was saying the Dodgers weren’t upset, they were pissed. The whole dugout started chirping and I heard a dude yell from the dugout during the game say, “watch out tomorrow night.” Which I don’t get because it was clearly not dirty, and if anyone’s fault, it’s Smith’s.
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Yes, as a DODGERS’ fan since 1961, I remember it like it happened yesterday. His father played for the St. Louis Cardinals and the game was at Dodger Stadium !!! ROGER, The LOS ANGELES DODGER
the throw from Turner was a little to the left of the catcher moving him slightly to the base path which is in no way 'illegal' but since the catcher has the ball and ready to make a play it doesn't matter that the defender is the catcher...the defender has the ball in possession ready to make the tag ahead of the runner..no infraction imo
unless you have the ball PRIOR to blocking, or the umpire rules that you HAD to block to field or catch the throw, then no, the ball came in as Tatis was making a move towards home, thats obstruction
Miguel Hernández it could also be since it wasn’t super deep and Joc’s momentum was taking him towards home. He then tagged up to draw the throw just in case he can get an airmail:
yeah its just a terrible play from tatis regardless. He needs to be on 3rd until the ball lands or is caught there. He had to know the outs because grishom just got thrown out at 2nd right before this
The one thing about Tatis for sure is he gets way too aggressive at times on the bases. I hardly want to tell a guy like that to "chill" but you don't always need to go 110% time for a crazy play.
ex-high school/community college umpire here, how it works here is the rule doesn't apply in a rundown. Obstruction would be called if Smith was blocking the plate without the ball and Tatis collided with him while there was no ball in smith's glove.
dude he pimped at first then realized he missed it, and the first base situation, I think he was just turning to go back to the dugout after the first basemen went by, but who knows
LA Sports Walk Ups/In Game Music yeah I’m not sure, I think both situations with muncy and tatis are just overblown, funny though that he pimped a fly ball lol
Interesting stat: After his first season the big leagues in 2019, Fernando Tatis Jr. had more multi-strikeout games (35) than fellow-Padre Tony Gwynn had in his whole career (34)
As an umpire a phrase we use to help discern whether or not a player can block the path is that the player has the right to field the ball if the ball is imminent, hence no obstruction here.
This is addressed to Steve Succop, since I couldn't find your comments under someone else’s comments. Having watched and listened to our great national pastime since 1961 when I was in Junior High School, I have on dozens of occasions seen catchers ”hang around” 3rd base, 1st base, and even 2nd base to get an out during a run-down. I have also seen outfielders get credited with a putout at those bases. Oh, the sheer beauty of the great game of BASEBALL; I love it so much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️⚾️
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Back in the day, I had Tatis Sr on my fantasy team (salary cap, points based league) the day he had two grand slams in the same inning... that was my best day in fantasy baseball ever :) Coincidentally, I was at the Padres game that night...I was a season ticket holder.. now living in Idaho
Tatis Sr. hit 2 grand slams in the same inning during a game at Dodger Stadium while he was a member of the Cardinals. I don't know who you saw at the Padres game that night.
I had a similar situation when I was in Pony League. Third baseman was legit standing in the baseline and covered the base the ball wasn't even coming to him yet. I still got called out
Hey Jomboy, can you do a video on the sinker that Dustin May threw to strike out Manny Machado? I honestly don't know if I've ever seen anything like that
Tatis did tag from the start according to local beat writer. He was going back to the bag but when he saw the bad throw he then thought about breaking for home.
I'm pretty sure the Dodgers were yelling at him which is why he and Machado are looking at them and shrugging. He's basically saying, what was I supposed to do? Smith was right infront of him.
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Good old fashion rundown, with it ending with the catcher tagging out the runner in the end, not sure if it was legal to be blocking him 4 ft from the plate but either way he was out.
Yes, it’s simply a run-down play. It’s always been legal between first and second base, second and third base, and third base and home plate !!! ROGER, The LOS ANGELES DODGER
The catcher is allowed to block the plate before the runner gets there, however, if the runner collides with the catcher because he is blocking the basepath, then the runner can't be blamed for the collision.