Field Test - Minelab Manticore side by side with the XP Deus 2 

Interesting observation about the delay being iron with the Manticore. We are going out again next week to a different spot that actually has a little more iron and we will be also comparing the signals side by side. This time we're going to flip one of the ear cups on our headset so hopefully the camera picks up the sound of the signals as well. Thanks again for your input

Guys in parks with shovels are not pros.

@@rodmyers5691 That’s all opinion, discretion must be used according to location.

In this video we describe if they're allowed or soft but in the next video we're going to flip one of the ear cups so the camera could pick up the sounds

@@DetectorComparisons looking forward to watching it. Happy Hunting Brother

Good to hear from you! I'll bet the Manticore will be exceptional in the wet saltwater sand. If it wasn't 4 degrees out this morning, that's a test we would be doing. Warming up by the end of next week though...

You are 100% correct. These machines nowadays process so fast that we go back to areas considered worked out and find stuff hidden amongst the trash

Exactly, some of the older places come alive again

Definitely takes time to learn a new machine but between Jimmy and myself we have thousands of hours on our Equinoxes and for sure the Manticore is a step up. Deep iron has always been an issue with the Equinox and many good Hunters out there that have upgraded to the Manticore hoping there will be a noticeable Improvement regarding being fooled by Deep iron. Jimmy has talked to many people and has tried many different settings on his machine, keeping the sensitivity down around 20 seems to help but hopefully we can figure out what else we can do to stop the falsing. In the near future we're going to go to areas that have more iron in the park we were just in and we'll keep trying different settings to get better results.

Glad you like it George, we are going to try to get out the end of next week when the temps warm up again

@@DetectorComparisons Will do. Merry Christmas from Central Virginia.

Definitely a video I would like to try in the future. Thank you for the suggestion

We will definitely be doing more videos side by side in the near future. I also hope there are some updates from Minelab

I think you have to go into the negative numerber -7 or -8

I think the manticore would perform better with a 6×8 coil or 6 inch coil maybe 6 x 10.

That's the secret working in tandem their making a killing.

I was in your shoes and after the update I got the Manticore.

We have a lot more side-by-side to do but as of right now the machines are very comprable in terms of performance. The only downside is the Manticore likes the Deep iron. In general one machine will hear the others good deep signals so it's really hard to make a call right now. A lot is personal preference.

No problem, I was running General but had it tweaked a little. Sensitivity at 95, reactivity at 2, disc at 6.8. I like. all the iron so I keep the iron volume level low

The stock programs on the D2 are really good. In the videos I talk about what program I'm in and I really just tweak up the sensitivity and sometimes recovery speed. In general having a recovery speed of two works great.

@@DetectorComparisons awesome, I'll give that a try. I've just been going stock general or deep HC, so I'll try general with a lower recovery speed. Thanks for your channel, just subbed! :)

The pin pointer is called a Uni probe from Detector Pro. Much faster and deeper than my old handheld probe. You could read more about it at detectorpro.com

The pinpointers are the Uniprobe. It's a pulse induction probe built into a set of headphones. You can read about them at Detectorpro.com

Both of the machines do amazing in heavy trash. The probe we are using is the Detectorpro Uniprobe. You can read about it at detectorpro.com

@@DetectorComparisons thank you so much

Yes the numbers are very accurate and only seem to bounce around when the target's extremely deep

Question on this because watching the video I got the exact opposite reaction. For example, watch at 24:35, he's swinging over the target a number of times and every time he's getting a different number. I noticed this pretty much every time they were showing the Manticore numbers in the video. Am I missing something?

@@BrotherMJ808 remember when targets are very close to other targets, a lot of times it will be hard to get the ID number to lock on especially when the good Target is deep. We will repeatedly go over a Target to get the average ID number. Bottom line is if it repeats and it's deep don't worry about the ID number, you want to dig it out anyway.

It is called the uniprobe. It's a pulse induction probe built into a set of headphones. You could read more about it at detectorpro.com

Unfortunately it does it in all metal and discriminate

@@DetectorComparisons Oh No! That is not good . I see myself digging deep iron often believing I'm on the silver. Has minlab addressed the issue . Thanks Pete

@@petedetects7012 Minelab is definitely aware of the deep iron issues. It seems hunting in the lower single frequency helps but Minelab needs to get one of their preset programs working so it doesn't get fooled by the deep iron. On Sunday we are going to do another side-by-side outing with the Manticore and D2

It is called the uniprobe and it's a set of headphones with a built-in pulse induction probe. You can read about it at detectorpro.com

If you mainly do Beach hunting, I haven't even tried the Manticore in the wet saltwater sand hopefully later this week it warms up we will try it out at the beach

Those were clear signals without the red line. When you turn all metal off the target is just as clear but you don’t hear the iron grunt BUT sometimes on deep coins you also hear the iron grunt. I don’t think all iron can be avoided with the Manticore. Some of those targets that I dug came up as 95 on the VDI. That could be considered an iron target right from the beginning since that’s a high VDI reading but silver sometimes reads that high as well especially if it’s deep. I noticed with the manticore really deep targets can read much higher than their normal numbers or much lower. Only on really deep targets not targets less than 8”

Jimmy was going back and forth between searching in disc and all metal. The Deep iron targets that fooled the Manticore were checked by him in both all metal and disc. Jimmy had quite a few hours on the Manticore before we hunted together and he said turning down the discriminate to 20 definitely helped in terms of digging less deep iron.

@@jimzilladetecting Back in the day when the Whites DFX was one of the best out there for who ever had the patience to learn it. I remember that iron would wrap around and false but at least it gave a +95 VDI which pretty much would normally be like a silver dollar or a jar cache of silver if it wasn't iron wrap around and maybe the aluminum can of course. So I often disc'd the +95 out and also down around -25 and lower so I would accept light iron because I got much better depth doing so. And then either way I almost always ran in Mixed Mode to hear the iron which told me there's iron regardless of what I wanted to accept or reject and relied on its VDI With the Manticore did that iron falsing also give you high VDI number?. If I'm not mistaken I thought on one of the digs you thought it might be a silver quarter so i'm assuming that was a pretty high VDI. If so even if you have to deal with some falsing can't you start keeping an eye out for those very high VDI numbers especially if you pinpoint a little off to the side? I know most likely it's wise to still just dig those damn/darn "iffy" signals because you never know what's really down there. One other thing and I'll use the DFX as comparison again was that it had a signagraph scale that would show ferrous and non ferrous targets light up regardless to the targets ID so if I got a VDI of +95 there might be 1 bar up at that +95 range on the signagraph but it would also show heavy blocking down low at the -95 area on the signagraph which pretty much told me it's most likely iron wrapping around. That detector was amazing for it's time with it's abilities to have control over so many functions that it made a lot of great finds for me and I could call the target or it's alloy so accurately that friends watching were thinking I was cheating somehow lol??? But it just too outdated and it doesn't have the digital computing power and processing speed of these detectors of today to keep up although I did dig some deep coins. They were also clean New Jersey farm dirt. Mineralized ground wasnt quite so easy. But this was a great comparison because these two detectors and the Legend are the 3 I'm down to and I was leaning towards the Deus before I saw this and I haven't seen any great video like this with the Legend to sway me. I bought the AT Maxx 2 months ago and I think I should've waited a little longer.

@@jeanponce2017 I used to have the V3i and that reacted the same way to iron as the DFX. The problem with the Manticore is that iron can come in at any number 60-99. Sometimes deep silver comes in at 97-98. On deep targets the VDI numbers can really jump up in mineralized ground. I’ve dug wheats that read in the 85-92 range with the manticore

Presets are really good on the D2. Mainly I hunt in general and I push the sensitivity to 95 if I can, I like the recovery speed at 2.0.

Yes, the Deus 2 is waterproof

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It is called the Uniprobe by Detector Pro. It is a pro built into the set of headphones. You can read about it at detectorpro.com

It is called the uniprobe by Detector Pro. It is a pulse induction probe built into the headphones so you hear only the metal detector or only the probe. You could read more about it at detectorpro.com

No problem at all. I mentioned in the video I use the general mode but I tweak it slightly. I keep the sensitivity at 95 with reactivity at 2. I just do manual ground balance and keep my discrimination at 6.8. I like to hear the iron but I have the iron volume set low

@@DetectorComparisons Thank You, Happy Holidays 🎄

@@DetectorComparisons Awesome, thanks. Where do you run your audio response and iron volume? I only ask because I'm a cellar hole guy from Western Massachusetts and I have AR and sensitivity dialed way down in the iron. I'm gonna try some field/parks in the Spring and your program works really nice.

@@jaystrongbow6111 love hunting the seller holes, I keep my iron volume around two where I barely hear a little grunt just letting me know how much iron is around. I keep the audio response at 4 which gives me a softer smooth signal for the real deep targets. Of course around seller holes I dig everything but in the Parks where I only want deep targets, the audio response feature really helps.

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These are called the Uniprobe. They are pulse induction probes built into a set of Grey Ghost headphones. You can read about them at Detectorpro.com

The pinpointing probes we were using in the video are called UniProbes. There are actually headphones with a probe built into them where you flip a switch on the headphones to go between hearing your metal detector and the probe. They don't come with the detectors.

I took the D2 Mono program and customized it to 4 khz, sensitivity 95, reactivity 2 and with audio response at 4

I believe it, I used to use the Fishers back in the day and I remember my 1266 would go that deep for a silver dime but it also liked deep bent nails. The machines nowadays seem to handle the Trashy areas better but in terms of raw depth those Fishers were good machines

@@DetectorComparisons I also had the 1265x also deep. When you guys said the new detectors could find 7 inch targets. That's why I responded. Great video thank-you

Its amazing how the D2 #s here are just like my diving mode #s. Manticore is nice, but people really need to understand how good the D2 is. Very deep and accurate. 👍

@@chuckp3131 my father has one Fisher 1265X as well. It is a very good machine, mainly for Silver, exactly. The Tessin could be conductivity of silver and 4khz of fisher. Do you think Deus II or Manticore could be better than fisher 1265X?

There are three other field test videos and we talk about the settings that we use in the other videos. We are constantly changing and trying different settings

@@DetectorComparisons I thank you for your reply but being old i get confused . Thanks again !!

We're definitely going to be doing more testing and tweaking. Should warm up at the end of this coming week so we'll get out there again. 4 degrees this morning.

He's using the Gray Ghost Uniprobe which is a headset with a pulse probe built into it.

Wanted to test it out with his Manticore

@@DetectorComparisons So is the headset he is using is the DetectorPro UniProbe? Or is it a Gray Ghost? Is the version the same as the one that is being sold for the Nox?

@@paulfischer6212 DetectorPro makes the Gray Ghost line of headphones including the Uniprobes. They are made to work with all detectors you just need to specify which machine you have when buying Uniprobe headphones

@@DetectorComparisons Yes, I was simply asking if the Equinox version of the Uniprobe headphones would work with the Manticore. Presently the list of machines available only list CTX and Equinox MineLab machines, not the Manticore.

You're kidding! It's so easy to tell deep iron on the Deus 1 in the UK! Anything over 95 is highly likely especially when you turn the volume up and catch the buzzy edge. Keep practicing.

@@agetyrrell Nope, lol it's poor on iron falsing. I've had it about 8 years. And have got used to it to eliminate most of it. But when I go over the same signal with my f75, and a mate checks with an at pro, and says it's iron. And the Deus tells me it's a good signal, and it's iron. That confirms to me that it's poor on iron id. Still love the machine though. And will get the d2 at some point.

We talked about it in the video, Jimmy was running his Manticore at 21 and he explains why, it apparently helps with iron falling. I was running the Deus to at 95 . Thanks

@@DetectorComparisons I know he did. I asked the question when he hit the first target. I should have waited till the end of video U guys did a great job with video. Seems like the deus did better though. Can’t wait to you guys do more on these comparisons. Could you guy either let us here between the targets or tell us how faint or loud the targets next time Merry Christmas

@tom tripptree I actually found more silver lol. 4 mercs and a standing liberty quarter but both machines picked up the targets. The D2 did better on the deep iron.

@@tomtripptree5079 next time we'll each flip one of our ear cups so the camera can pick up the sounds. During this video we tried to talk about how loud or soft the signals were but I agree it would be better if everyone could hear them

@@jimzilladetecting so we had a total of eight silver? I must have missed one of yours LOL. End of next week is looking good

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Well we don't show in the video is the fact that many many different settings were tweaked before we did this hunt. Jimmy found that keeping the sensitivity down around 20 helps with the iron falsing for deep targets. Hopefully more can be figured out because even at this park where there was very little iron, we were fooled a few times on the Deep stuff

@@DetectorComparisons It is going to take a bit to figure this machine out. If more people had them it would help.

Minelab has been made aware and is working on the iron falsing. Will see if they get an update out addressing it. Great thing that modern machines have update capability!!

@@jkiser77 It is amazing how they can fix things and then you just download the fix. I have never had any problems doing an update on a minelab machine either.

@@jkiser77 it is amazing and I really do hope they figure it out.

It's called the Uniprobe and it's a pulse induction probe built into a set of headphones. You can read more about it at detectorpro.com

@@DetectorComparisons interesting concept built in the headphones.

It is called the Uni probe made by Detectorpro. The pulse induction Pro built into a set of headphones. You can read about them at Detectorpro.com

It is called the Uniprobe by Detector Pro. You could read about it at detectorpro.com

Wondering the samething

@@DetectorComparisons thanks

It is called the UniProbe. It's a pulse induction probe built into a set of Gray Ghost headphones. Check out Detectorpro.com

@@jimzilladetecting where can finde some more information? And maybe website?

@@DetectorComparisons How it connects to D2 ?

@@Diddy291 the puck actually clicks onto the Gray Ghost headphones. You can see close up pictures at detectorpro.com

@@DetectorComparisons Thanks. Hopefully you can send them to Europe (Latvia) if yes then on my next buying list.

We talk about the signals being loud or soft but in our next video we're actually going to flip the ear cup so hopefully the camera picks up the sounds. We've had a couple requests for this

The machines were very comparable in that we heard each other's deep good targets without an issue but in 3 and 1/2 hours of hunting, there were four times the Manticore was fooled by Deep iron. Hopefully a software update will help correct this issue. We will be doing a lot more side by side testing.

@@DetectorComparisons I was watching videos of tests on these machines from some guys down south and there was talk about the Deus 2 being off on it's VDI and I sensed these guys are brand loyal to Minelab. But I noticed you didn't seem to have a problem with calling those targets correctly (certainly within range) I have many times hit copper wheats that read as a dime especially when the soil isn't dry so to me that's not a bad ID of a target at all? Personally I thought they ran the detectors too hot for the heavy iron that was in the ground. IMO hotter isn't always the best way to go but what do I know? They were almost like "there was a problem here, well then give it more power"??? SMH lol

@@DetectorComparisons would love seeing some Legend compared to Manticore side by side

@@jeanponce2017 you are correct with your observation that adding more power by cranking up the sensitivity can actually cause more problems in certain situations. Jimmy tested out his Manticore extensively and realized you only need to go to about 20 on the sensitivity to get excellent depth and less falsing. The D2 and the Manticore did very well at IDing deep targets but depending on the ground conditions and what may be nearby the target, at about 7 to 8 inches the ID number would jump around a little but usually stay within a few points. We're going to try to get out next week after this deep freeze and do some more side by side hunting

@@Stefan-wd9uv good suggestion and definitely a test I would like to do in the near future.

They are nothing like each other, what are you talking about?!

No Deus is better. No Maticore is better. No Deus is better. Happy New Year!

You nailed it, grown men that are still like kids when it comes to this Hobby. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years