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Fifth-Century Heresies: The Mystery of the Trinity with R.C. Sproul 

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During the early centuries of the church, there were many attempts to explain the divinity of Jesus and His relation to the Father. With nearly every attempt, a heresy was born and controversy followed. Yet, orthodoxy prevailed. In this message, Dr. Sproul explains how these early controversies led to the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity.
This is the 4th in a series of messages by Dr. Sproul on the Trinity. See other videos in the series: • The Mystery of the Tri...

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@JCATG
@JCATG 3 года назад
I love how Dr. Sproul does not shy away from admitting that his two theological heroes are most probably monophysite in their Christological conception of the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ. In the same manner, I do have theological heroes of my own who do not share the same theological orthodoxy as I have concerning the Reformed Christian faith. But I think that should not make us close our doors in our understanding of their body of work. They still contributed largely to the development of our systematic theologies today and we are indebted to them intellectually. Thank you for uploading this, Ligonier Ministries. This is a valuable resource for a lot of us who cannot buy large tomes of religious literature. May the Lord bless your ministry all the more for His glory and the good of His church.
@Frampa
@Frampa 4 года назад
I think I could never had an Argument with RC because there was no reason for an argument in his teachings. It was just listen and learn and carry his legacy to the next generation.
@waitingandwatching9328
@waitingandwatching9328 4 года назад
This is information that every believer should have and be able to use for the glory of the Trinity
@reformedcatholic457
@reformedcatholic457 3 года назад
Very good video!
@Siatheservant
@Siatheservant Год назад
For me as an Ex-muslim was so hard to understand the trinity. praise the Lord for all the things that he did in your life Dear Dr Sproul. it was amazing!
@playthislick
@playthislick 7 месяцев назад
The Trinity will never be understood because as the title says, it’s a mystery!! If it’s a mystery it can’t be understood or explained, which is why so many Councils were needed!! Question: how many councils did non-trinitarians attend?? None that I know of because the Bible was clear that the Father is God, and that Jesus is his Son. What part of that is hard to understand?? Our Heavenly Father didn’t even inspire his own apostles to convene to discuss the nature of the Father, the Son, or the HS. It was so laid out in scripture.
@danielerasmus8302
@danielerasmus8302 7 месяцев назад
The heresies are against what man says and not against what the Bible says. In other words the Trinity is nonsense and because of this each heresy is against their nonsense not against the Bible. They spin doctor it to make out the heresy is against the Bible. So what is the clear teaching of the Bible? It teaches that God is God and Jesus is his only begotten Son. God is the God of Jesus and is also his Father. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus was born, lived and died. He was resurrected by God and given all authority on earth and in heaven. He sits at the right hand of God and will eventually hand everything back to God. So there you have it. A child can understand it. 😅
@AdvocateSpirit
@AdvocateSpirit 3 месяца назад
Is there a way you believe it can be best shared with Muslims?
@Siatheservant
@Siatheservant 3 месяца назад
@@AdvocateSpirit I think the only way is to open up the Word of God and read it with them and answer their questions from the Bible. They love to debate and they can turn the conversation into a debate but Be patient with them and focus on Jesus Christ. And Don’t forget to pray for their Salvation.
@davidsolomon8203
@davidsolomon8203 3 года назад
Amazing scholarship!!!
@hasoloansinaga6772
@hasoloansinaga6772 Год назад
No one on earth can fully explain the TRINITY. But believe that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit "is" ONE GOD.
@kenthepen247gmail
@kenthepen247gmail 3 года назад
Awesome knowledge of Biblical proportions...R.C. is official
@caminandoensuverdad
@caminandoensuverdad 2 года назад
Heresies of Christian Churches 1. Those that promote and support licentiousness. Some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God’s marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. But you, my dear friends, must remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ predicted. 18 They told you that in the last times there would be scoffers whose purpose in life is to satisfy their ungodly desires. 19 These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow their natural instincts because they do not have God’s Spirit in them. (Jude 4, 17-19 NLT) 2. Those that promote mundane phylosophies and ideas Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world. Those people belong to this world, so they speak from the world’s viewpoint, and the world listens to them. (1 John 4:1, 5 NLT) Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ. (Colossians 2:8 NLT) 3. The prosperity gospel If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. (1 Timothy 6:3-5 NIV) 4. Those that forbid marriage and eating certain foods The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:1-5 NIV) 5. Those who worship angels Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels, saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it. (Colossians 2:18-19 NLT)
@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104
@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 4 года назад
as Solomon said nothing new under the sun. just read some of the comments below
@brockgeorge777
@brockgeorge777 Год назад
From the discussion you can see that the *goal* of the original philosophies that led to “heresy” certainly started as honest errors in trying to logically understand what Scriptures say. They only take on the role of “rebellion” once their flaws are exposed and a more accurate description provided (whether or not *completely* humanly understood). At that point the greatest expression of Scriptural *truth* ought to be embraceable and embraced by true possessors of the Divine Nature through the Holy Spirit.
@hotwax9376
@hotwax9376 7 дней назад
Wait a minute, if the two natures of Christ can't be separated, then doesn't that necessitate theopassianism?
@filipecampos7023
@filipecampos7023 4 года назад
Poderia ter legendas em português...
@AbinMathewAbraham
@AbinMathewAbraham 2 года назад
So it is correct to say is Jesus is 2 being, 1 person?? (Please feel free to point out logical fallacies in my statement, I am suspecting that there is)
@reneekeerthana841
@reneekeerthana841 7 месяцев назад
Jesus is one in essence (being), one in person. He has two natures, one divine and one human which do not mix (monophysitic heresy) and neither are they separate (nestorian heresy).
@AdvocateSpirit
@AdvocateSpirit 3 месяца назад
​@@reneekeerthana841What's the difference between Essence and Nature? Thought they were the same
@reneekeerthana841
@reneekeerthana841 3 месяца назад
@@AdvocateSpirit In philosophy, essence is the set of attributes that make a thing what it fundamentally is. Nature is the sum of a thing's powers and the first causal ground of everything that happens in the "visible world". Basically 'nature' is more tangible than essence.
@1984SheepDog
@1984SheepDog 3 года назад
Man all these comments are proving to me the need for an infallible magesterium lol
@jgvtc559
@jgvtc559 3 года назад
Its beyond words how many are just rancid in apostasy look at these comments
@superdave5500
@superdave5500 3 года назад
Isn't the Trinity left over Catholism?
@HearGodsWord
@HearGodsWord 3 года назад
The Trinity is Christian and the Reformers confirmed it.
@mercycroft3816
@mercycroft3816 3 года назад
Ok, so according to this preacher, is worshipping Jesus heresy? Please simplify it for me and say yes or no. Thanks.
@mitchellgaskins5545
@mitchellgaskins5545 3 года назад
No, worshipping Jesus is not heresy. R. c. Sproul would encourage you to do just that!
@kiwihans100
@kiwihans100 5 месяцев назад
Romans 16:25,26 Paul used 'Mysteron' ( Greek = 'a sacred secret that IS revealed') to show how the good news about the Christ which includes the nature of God & Christ IS IN FACT revealed t the Holy ones. So the notion that the "'trinity' though illogical & confusing, is a mystery'" e.t.c is FALSE reasoning! If God is a 'mystery' then you havnt received the Holy Spirit & Christ yet!
@grantbartley483
@grantbartley483 4 года назад
Does any of this make any difference to practical Christian living? If so, what?
@harbaczeuski
@harbaczeuski 4 года назад
What can be more practical in Christianity then to know God you believe? Without correct understanding who christian God is you cannot call yourself a Christian.
@joshuatheo1419
@joshuatheo1419 4 года назад
Knowledge of God is the beginning of wisdom.
@Obi606
@Obi606 4 года назад
@@harbaczeuski very true
@patricklacson
@patricklacson 2 года назад
Try to explain the gospel, without the Trinity. Try to explain the judgment of God without the Trinity. Try to explain the spiritual gifts of the church without the Trinity. Try to explain how Christians no longer worship in a temple without the Trinity. Try to explain how the prayers of the Christian work without the Trinity. Try to explain the growth of a Christian (sanctification) without the Trinity? The Trinity is God's explanation of God.
@grantbartley483
@grantbartley483 2 года назад
@@patricklacson Thanks. Really it's the fine detail of the difference in doctrine, not the doctrine per se, which I'm unsure has practical import. Eg what difference does being a Calvinist make compared to being a Lutheran?
@waynehampson9569
@waynehampson9569 4 года назад
I do not understand the Trinity therefore it doesn't exist. That's non-Trinitarians thinking.
@calson814
@calson814 4 года назад
No one can understand this Great Mystery of God.
@rod8989
@rod8989 4 года назад
Hebrews 3:1 Consequently, brothers set apart, partakers of a most exalted position, consider the apostle and high priest of our declaration, Jesus Christ, 2 faithful to Him Who created him, as Moses also was in all his house. 3 For he has been counted worthy of more eminence than Moses, since the one having constructed it has more honour than the house. 4 For every house is built by somebody, but He Who built all things is God. 5 And Moses was indeed faithful in all his house as a servant, for a testimony of those things going to be spoken afterwards. 6 Christ, though, is faithful as a son over his house, whose house we are, if we hold fixed the firm confidence and the rejoicing of the hope until the end. 7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says: 'Today, if you hear His voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, as on the day of tempting in the wilderness, 9 when your fathers provoked Me, putting Me to the test, and they saw My works for forty years. 10 So I was angry with that generation, and I said, " They always go astray in heart, and they have not known My ways." 11 So I swore in My indignation, "They shall certainly not enter into My rest." ' 12 Watch, brothers, in case there is among anyone of yourselves an evil heart of unbelief so as to fall away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you might be hardened through the deceitfulness of violation. 14 For we have become partakers of the Christ if we hold fixed the source of our confidence, certain until the end, 15 with this to be said: 'Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion. ' 16 For some, having heard, rebelled, although not all those having come out of Egypt by Moses. 17 But with whom was He indignant for forty years, if not with those who violated, whose carcasses fell in the desert? 18 And to whom did He swear they should not enter into His rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 And we see that they were not able to enter in on account of unbelief.
@Mic1904
@Mic1904 4 года назад
R L - I can find no translation of Hebrew 3:2 that reads 'faithful to him who created him', I can only find 'faithful to him who appointed him'. On the surface, it would appear at first glance that you've literally just taken the word 'appointed' and changed it to 'created', which would be a terrifyingly brazen alteration of God's Word to suit yourself. I am, of course, happy to hear if there's a reasonable explanation for this that I've misunderstood.
@rod8989
@rod8989 4 года назад
@@Mic1904 responded in other thread where you asked same question. Look up the Greek word translated appoint
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 3 года назад
The 1st commandment never changed. God is not a man Hosea 11:9 and he has no equals Isaiah 40:25. The trinity is the mystery religion of Babylon of the great harlot church.
@AdvocateSpirit
@AdvocateSpirit 3 месяца назад
What is your opinion on John 1:1 ?
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 3 месяца назад
@@AdvocateSpirit The logos is made flesh in everyone begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed. The wisdom and power of Yhwh formed in you. The logos doesn't become a noun until its conceived in you. Properly translated by the Tyndale bible. John 1. The logos is intangible. The light of Yhwh.
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 3 месяца назад
@@AdvocateSpirit If you use a lexicon when reading Isaiah 40:3 you'll see that John did not prepare the way for a man named "Jesus" but for the Father YHWH. When I found this about 8 years ago, it started me on my journey to truth. Thus I started using a lexicon on everything I read in the bible also a interlinear bible. I was shocked at all the mistranslations and obvious grammatical errors in the KJV which absolutely changed the meaning of many many verses. I.e. all humans who repent and are born of the Fathers spirit are regenerated into divine eloheim because the Father lives in us. His logos/rhema made flesh in me. But YHWH is the ONE and ONLY Divine Eloheim (big D and big E). And what makes it even harder is the Greek doesn't contain many words that the hebrew does and vice versa. Angels are simply messengers and we too will be like the messengers in the resurrection. That's why in Genesis 1, God said let US make man in our image. And angels (messengers) are also spirits and Arch Messengers. As noted in Revelation 2 and 3. The Lamb of God is not a man named Jesus and John the Baptist was never beheaded. The Passover has nothing to do with a sin offering. You may ask yourself why during the last 2k years haven't bible scholars told anyone about these errors. Because they know that would end their ministry immediately and they would be totally rejected, ridiculed, and probably run out of town. And no income after spending tons on a degree in theology. What the church has taught for the last 1700 years is a complete misinterpretation of the gospels which turns out they were originally written as spiritual allegory but later literalized by Rome. The OT defines terms. Such as the virgin daughter of Zion that travails in childbirth was never a woman named Mary and the Son of God is not one person, Revelation 21:7, Isaiah 49:3, Hosea 11:1, Ex. 4:22. The resurrection has nothing do with literal flesh and bone. The bottom line, you won't figure all this out unless you learn the original languages or at least use a lexicon when studying. Even then it can be difficult at times because its very hard to wipe your mind from the indoctrination we've all been subject to thru the churches and society, 40 years for me. But the bible says that if we hunger and thirst after righteousness, we will be filled. And the Father will guide us into ALL truth by his spirit. And we have no need for ANY MAN to teach us. I John 2:27. John 1 doesn't mean what we've been taught and baptism is not literal water but to be washed in the water of the word, the power and wisdom of Yhwh that enters our heart. Sorry to go on and on but I feel its my mission to tell as many people as possible because time is so short. I spent 10 years, 6 hrs a day, 5 days a week searching scripture for the hidden treasure. It all started one day when I read Romans 1:3-4 out of the blue and The Most High removed the veil of my brainwashing. I'd never noticed it before. Read it slowly and carefully and see if you catch what its actually saying. Okay. Ill stop now. Have a nice evening.
@AdvocateSpirit
@AdvocateSpirit 3 месяца назад
@@RoseSharon7777 If what you're saying is true, I'm sure even in the Tyndale bible, Jesus is the *only* begotten of the Father. But no matter how you deduce what logos means and how intangible the logos is in Vs 1. That same intangible logos that is equal with God, becomes flesh in the very same chapter and "dwelt among us". The intangible became tangible. Do you agree with that?
@RoseSharon7777
@RoseSharon7777 3 месяца назад
@@AdvocateSpirit Friend, you're only repeating the same false doctrine you've been brainwashed to believe. All sons conceived of the Fathers incorruptible seed are of his only begotten. Of the ONE SEED of David. Jer. 33:22, Psalm 18:50. Its too late in the game for you to still be so biblically illiterate. Romans 1:3-4. Read it carefully because clearly you never have or you just can't comprehend plain English.
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 3 года назад
The Mystery of the Trinity is how can we still believe in it in the third millennium. A triune God doesn't exist. Jesus is God, but He is not omnipotent. And He wants people to know it: He "expressis verbis" states “ I from myself am NOT ABLE to do a thing” (John 5:30). Thus, the miracles can only be made by the Father: see the Lazarus' resurrection, when He thanks the Father for the miracle. Jesus is the non-omnipotent God.
@samuelvanderveen9255
@samuelvanderveen9255 3 года назад
If Jesus was not fully God, how could he have paid fully for our infinite sins?
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 3 года назад
@@samuelvanderveen9255 Jesus is fully God even if not omnipotent. For some reasons, the almighty God decided to forsake his power. But even without his power God remains fully God, since his identity didn't change in this dramatic transformation. Being crucified was a move freely made by Him to counteract evil. But this has no effect on our sins: we still are fully liable for our actions.
@hasoloansinaga6772
@hasoloansinaga6772 Год назад
Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Human. Triune God is Almighty. Jesus Christ is ALMIGHTY. Full Stop.
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 Год назад
@@hasoloansinaga6772 "But, of the day and the hour, NO MAN KNOWS, no, not the angels in heaven or the Son, BUT THE FATHER ONLY knows." Only the Father knows the future, that is, NO FURTHER OMNIPOTENT PERSONS EXIST. "or the Son" - see above -Jesus Christ is NOT almighty. Full stop.
@samuelvanderveen9255
@samuelvanderveen9255 9 месяцев назад
@@claudiozanella256 Hebrews 1:3
@TheNameIsForgettable
@TheNameIsForgettable 2 года назад
To bad he doesn't discuss why the church also holds monoenergism as heretical. Christ had two natures and two wills.
@kiwihans100
@kiwihans100 3 месяца назад
Paul advised the early Christains "Do not go beyond the things that are written" (1 Cor 4:6). The 'trinity' was the result of human reasoning and efforts to explain the relationship between God & His Son and the Holy Spirit. The presense of Greek philosophy in the helenist culture of the 2nd & 3rd century play a significant part in the doctrines of the new 'church' sanctioned by Rome! it is FALSE!
@AdvocateSpirit
@AdvocateSpirit 3 месяца назад
The Father is God Jesus is God The Holy Spirit is God The Father, Son and Holly Spirit are distinct from each other. Which of the above would you say isn't biblical?
@user-nr1sy3vz4g
@user-nr1sy3vz4g 23 дня назад
@@AdvocateSpirit 1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Rom 3: 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God. John 1: Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. Are you asking something?
@AdvocateSpirit
@AdvocateSpirit 23 дня назад
@@user-nr1sy3vz4g Blessings bro. You quoted the Apostle Paul's elaboration on _the Shema._ Let me know if your thoughts on what Apostle Paul did here: ‭Deuteronomy 6:4 NASB1995‬ [4] “Hear, O Israel! *The Lord* is our *God,* the Lord is one! ‭1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NASB1995‬ [5] For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, [6] yet for us there is but *one God,* the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and *one Lord,* Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
@user-nr1sy3vz4g
@user-nr1sy3vz4g 20 дней назад
@@AdvocateSpirit What make bible complicated are people not the bible itself. We come to the bible with preconceived notion, instead of being shape by the bible we allow ourselves be shape by other people whom we though are reliable teachers and reshape the bible according to them. Remove all this notion from our mind and just read the bible and allow it to run our lives. It is common sense that having many Gods does not help no one. Only the man Christ can. 1 Cor 15: 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. And on verse 32b If the dead are not raised, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die. God don't bleed or die or resurrect, only the man Christ. So, tell me what is the relevance of laboring and hyperventilating about three Gods? NADA!!!
@AdvocateSpirit
@AdvocateSpirit 19 дней назад
@@user-nr1sy3vz4g It's one thing to believe that Jesus is God but He is the same person as the Father. One God, One being, One person. It is one thing to believe that Jesus is God but He is a distinct person from the Father. Him and the Father are One but the Father is not the Son. It is an absolutely outlandish belief to think that Jesus is NOT God... Is that what you think? Cos I'm getting those vibes. I just assumed you were Oneness > Trinity. But also bro, what did you think about what Apostle Paul did with the Shema?
@user-nr1sy3vz4g
@user-nr1sy3vz4g 23 дня назад
Jesus does not have two natures. What is the nature of God, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, immutable, etc. attributes that cannot be attain by flesh. Jesus' God nature is only his holiness, like that of God. But there is more to God (mentioned above) than just holiness. Jesus was granted authority (like God) for he is human (son of man/John 5:27). Matthew 28:18b “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Will you give authority to the one who is God already? This is so elementary yet trinitarians are arrogant that they think they are better than the bible.
@chigozieamalahu7432
@chigozieamalahu7432 13 дней назад
I feel there is difference in the two person's for sure. However, Jesus Godship exceeds holiness. Notice that at John 1:1-3, He was already God. And Gen 1:26,27, they had discussions on making man in THEIR image. That alone is huge, because we are told that we're made in God's image. Jesus also created and was praise by Paul as a creator. He was also worshipped. Only Yahweh could have had that privilege. Yet we still see Jesus thanking God for all that he had. Some feel that that was just because of his human nature. It doesn't make sense cos it was also in human nature that he said that he and God are one. What I feel is that Yahweh had much to do with Jesus attainment to Godship. Jesus may have proceeded from the father as the early christians believed. Yet he is Deity.
@alephtav7887
@alephtav7887 4 года назад
The doctrine of Trinity: God revealed to us the fullness of himself... as a "mystery"? 😅
@Cotronixco
@Cotronixco 3 года назад
The heresy of the trinity. Seems so innocent, but oh so deadly.
@jordantupouila3363
@jordantupouila3363 4 года назад
How come the scriptures never speak of the trinity, isn’t the serpent came to Eve and deceived her . The scriptures are 66 books and it should spoken by the prophet or ever taught by Christ or the apostles. . What a shame, as Christ says, God defying the wise and the prudent and reveal it to babes and the unlearned, yes the revelation of Christ Jesus you don’t have to be a philosopher to know Christ, as Christ said no man knoweth the son but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son , and he to whomsoever the son will reveal him. You see my friend the knowledge of God the Father and the Son is a revelation, you don’t receive it from anyone , but from Christ Jesus alone. The Father is Spirit and who that worship the Father shall worship him in spirit and in truth. The most arguments today are man doesn’t believe the word of God, God is ONE and HE is a SPIRIT. I hope your argument is done, ONE SPIRIT =THE FATHER. Now we deal with the SON, THE MAN, I don’t need to explain to you we all know that He was not exist till he was born, as the scripture says, Unto us a child is born. Do you notice that he was born on EARTH not in HEAVEN as you been deceived by the serpent. The ANGELS seen. PREACH unto the GENTILE. WHY MANY CONFUSION? The answer is short, you don’t want to believe. Well my friend what the point of me digging and reveal the glory of our Lord, if you going to reject him . My conclusion from the word of God ( Isaiah 25:8-9)may God bless you.
@waynehampson9569
@waynehampson9569 3 года назад
Jesus is more than a man. - And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5)
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 4 года назад
The official Trinity doctrine is wrong: just as an example, Jesus is NOT omnipotent ("I can do nothing on my own." John 5:30). Further, having TWO omnipotent Persons is NONSENSICAL : each one would be LIMITED by the other and not be the absolute Master of the universe. The (correct) Trinity: the almighty God CANNOT be here now with us for logical reasons (in connection with the known omniscience-omnipotence paradox). This means that in order to be among us He had to become like a NORMAL man (not omnipotent) : He thus became THE SON by forsaking his power. The almighty God thus ONLY DWELLS IN THE PAST, BEFORE THE GENERATION of the Son. ("the world has not known you", John 17:25) (i.e. God is only BEFORE the world existed). However, due to his huge power, God is able from the past to REACH US HERE in our present time with his words and his actions. He cannot be PERSONALLY here, but his WORDS and his ACTIONS can do that. From our perspective we thus HEAR the REAL GOD'S WORDS, but NOBODY is here. We thus say that those words are SPOKEN BY A SPIRIT : THE SPIRIT OF GOD. This means that GOD is HERE, is IN THE FORM OF A SPIRIT ("God is a spirit" John 4:24) and is called "THE SPIRIT OF GOD". EVERYTHING is made HERE by Him - see the gospels - since God "in the normal form" is only in the past. Also Jesus is here, He was the almighty God ("He who has seen me has seen the Father" John 14:9). Since He is not omnipotent anymore, He must turn to the Father (to the Spirit of God) for miracles. JESUS is the ONLY EXISTING GOD since the Father here is just a spirit; therefore Jesus OWNS the heaven keys: He ONLY decides if you can enter the Reign of God.
@waynehampson9569
@waynehampson9569 3 года назад
You cherry pick scripture. You base a view on only one verse? That is stupidity.
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 3 года назад
@@waynehampson9569 Jesus is not almighty, this is immediately EVIDENT from the gospel narrative to any reader whose mind has not been misused by false religious obligations. However, for biased readers, just to recall some paragraphs: - see the Lazarus resurrection, when Jesus thanks the Father for the miracle “I thank you for hearing me” - see when Jesus learns to do things from the Father, - see Jesus when He needs to be led in the desert - see Jesus when He states not “to know the hour” - see Jesus when He states "Truly, truly I say to you, the Son is NOT ABLE to do anything of himself," (John 5:19). - see Jesus when He states “ I from myself am not able to do a thing” (John 5:30) - see Jesus when He states "My Father is greater than I".
@waynehampson9569
@waynehampson9569 3 года назад
@@claudiozanella256 You do cherry pick verses. You totally ignore the verses which say that Jesus is God.
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 3 года назад
@@waynehampson9569 Jesus is God, but He is not omnipotent and He wants us to know it. He is the non-omnipotent God, the only one really existing God, this is why He is the only Heaven Owner.
@danielerasmus8302
@danielerasmus8302 7 месяцев назад
This is total nonsense. Sorry RC you were blind to the simple truth of who Jesus is. Scripture warned you to stay away from philosophies.
@bakerstreetbear679
@bakerstreetbear679 4 года назад
It was the Jews who started all the confusing heresies... For the record.
@nickeldan
@nickeldan 4 года назад
How so?
@bakerstreetbear679
@bakerstreetbear679 4 года назад
@@nickeldan www.fidelitypress.org/book-products/the-jewish-revolutionary-spirit
@bakerstreetbear679
@bakerstreetbear679 4 года назад
Or any of the author's RU-vid videos you can find. It'll blow your mind. RU-vid was about to ban him, naturally, so his videos are uploaded by other people. Peace.
@JamesKing-yr2ng
@JamesKing-yr2ng 3 года назад
Do you mean they actually started them by way to confuse us or that the confusions can be linked back into their early works?
@KJVPACKERS
@KJVPACKERS 4 года назад
(1) Jesus Christ was never a calvinist. (2) Jesus Christ was never a Christian. (3) Catholics believe in the Trinity. As a Believer I want to thank My Lord my Savior, My God Jesus Christ, by his grace thru faith that I'm saved. (KJV) 1st Corinthians 15; 1-4 Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. In Antioch the Believers were disrespected and they were called Christians. Catholics call themselves Christians, Mormons call themselves Christians, Jehovah witnesses call themselves Christians, that's a label.
@marjieyoung9570
@marjieyoung9570 4 года назад
You may find this interesting to know: My husband's family are all Jehovah's Witnesses which follow the Arian teachings (which says Jesus is the first created being of Jehovah God). They also believe that Jesus was just a man and was not physically resurrected and that Christians are the heretics for believing Jesus rose physically from the dead and that He is the second member of the trinity (which they also don't believe in), among other things. They absolutely DO NOT call themselves Christians (which basically just means follower of Christ) but instead lump all followers of Christ in a category they call 'Christendom.' Having been on the receiving end of that word more than my fair share of times I can tell you it is said with a sneer of derision.
@rod8989
@rod8989 4 года назад
Hebrews 3:1 Consequently, brothers set apart, partakers of a most exalted position, consider the apostle and high priest of our declaration, Jesus Christ, 2 faithful to Him Who created him, as Moses also was in all his house. 3 For he has been counted worthy of more eminence than Moses, since the one having constructed it has more honour than the house. 4 For every house is built by somebody, but He Who built all things is God. 5 And Moses was indeed faithful in all his house as a servant, for a testimony of those things going to be spoken afterwards. 6 Christ, though, is faithful as a son over his house, whose house we are, if we hold fixed the firm confidence and the rejoicing of the hope until the end. 7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says: 'Today, if you hear His voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, as on the day of tempting in the wilderness, 9 when your fathers provoked Me, putting Me to the test, and they saw My works for forty years. 10 So I was angry with that generation, and I said, " They always go astray in heart, and they have not known My ways." 11 So I swore in My indignation, "They shall certainly not enter into My rest." ' 12 Watch, brothers, in case there is among anyone of yourselves an evil heart of unbelief so as to fall away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you might be hardened through the deceitfulness of violation. 14 For we have become partakers of the Christ if we hold fixed the source of our confidence, certain until the end, 15 with this to be said: 'Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion. ' 16 For some, having heard, rebelled, although not all those having come out of Egypt by Moses. 17 But with whom was He indignant for forty years, if not with those who violated, whose carcasses fell in the desert? 18 And to whom did He swear they should not enter into His rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 And we see that they were not able to enter in on account of unbelief.
@bobbyways2431
@bobbyways2431 4 года назад
KJV PACKERS 1611 You thank your God Jesus Christ. When did Jesus Christ tell you He is God? Is it written in the Bible? What verse? But let me read to you some words of Jesus, written in Revelation 3:5, 12; Revelation 3:5,12(KJV) 5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." 12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." Jesus is talking here about His Father, His God. In verse 12 Jesus called His Father "my God" four times. Since Jesus is your God, and the Father is Jesus' God, then how many Gods do we have now? Jesus said in John 17:3 His Father is "the only True God", which means there's no other God but His Father only. Jesus even called His disciples "my brethren", as His co-worshippers of the Father. John 20:17 King James Version 17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." The God of the disciples, is the God of Jesus. That's according to Jesus himself. The only True God, His Father. In JOHN 4:23, Jesus said; JOHN 4:23 King James Version 23 "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him." According to Jesus, "true worshippers worship the Father." The only God.(Jn 17:3) Now, who are we gonna believe? Jesus? Who worship His God and Father? Or you, whose God is Jesus? Let me remind you, Jesus never told you He is God! Nowhere in the Bible.
@justanotherbaptistjew5659
@justanotherbaptistjew5659 3 года назад
Bobby ways Isaiah 9:6, Micah 5:2, Zechariah 12:10, John 1:1-14, John 8:58, Colossians 1:17-19, 1 Timothy 3:16, Titus 2:11-13, Hebrews 1: 8-14.
@thesea6417
@thesea6417 3 года назад
@@bobbyways2431 Read Psalm 110. Therefore God, your God....
@IsJesusGod.
@IsJesusGod. 2 года назад
When the truth is admitted, the TRINITY is THREE GODS, that came from paganism.
@jaypeck
@jaypeck 2 года назад
That is completely misunderstanding the trinity. The doctrine of the trinity is belief in one God. Also the trinity is a triune God not a triad God. Those are very different things.
@IsJesusGod.
@IsJesusGod. 2 года назад
@@jaypeck Do you BELIEVE what the Bible teaches? Please then send the verse saying GOD IS THREE called the CATHOLIC PAGAN TRINITY? As YOU do NOT believe GOD and His Son who ALWAYS declared GOD is ONE PERSON, how will you be SAVED, for BREAKING the FIRST commandment in Mark 12:29, that says we MUST believe GOD is ONE PERSON? ONE GOD. Christianity, having emerged from Judaism, is a monotheistic religion. Never in the New Testament does the Trinitarian concept become a "tritheism" (three Gods) nor even two. God is one, and that God is a single being is strongly declared in the Bible: The Shema of the Hebrew Scriptures: "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one."[Deut 6:4] The first of the Ten Commandments-"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."[5:7] And "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."[Isa 44:6] In the New Testament: "The LORD our God is one."[Mk 12:29] Scripture contains neither the word Trinity, nor an expressly formulated doctrine of the Trinity. Rather, according to the Christian theology, it “bears witness to” the activity of: THE GOD. Antichrists deny the Father and the son. *AND THE TRINITY DOCTRINE DENIES A LITERAL FATHER AND SON.* Instead, the Father and the Son are the same, co-equal, same everything, and each fully God while comprising one God. This is how you are deceived into denying the Father and the Son. “Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son” - John. Part 01 - Further, God clearly shows us what it is to be a Father and to have a son. We are without excuse for denying the Father and the Son. The Trinity Doctrine But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, AND ONLY A FEW FIND IT.…Matthew 7:12 -14. TRINITARIANS, FOLLOW the Catholic MAIN trinity doctrine they created. The New Bible Dictionary, 2nd edition by J.D. Douglas, page 1221, admits that the doctrine of the trinity does not come from the Scriptures, but from philosophy influenced by paganism. The Encyclopedia Britannica, Micropedia Volume 11, page 928, gives us the following facts about the trinity. Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4). The Religions of Ancient Greece and Babylonia, by A. H. Sayce. pages 229-230, clearly tells us that the Greek philosophical ideas were developed in Alexandria, Egypt from the pagan mystery religions. List of Catholic Doctrines. 1. TRINITY --- “The mystery (see Rev. 17:5) of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’” MATTHEW 15:9. The Cathecism of the Catholic Church admits the Church (not the Bible) had to come up with terms of "philosophical" (pagan/Greek) origin to explain it:: 251 In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop its own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin: "substance," "person," or "hypostasis," "relation" and so on (Catechism of the Catholic Church. Imprimatur Potest +Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. Doubleday, NY 1995, p. 74). Here is what it is recorded that a one-time Catholic bishop named Marcellus of Ancyra wrote, around the middle of the fourth century, where certain aspects of trinitarianism came from--paganism: Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God...These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato (Source: Logan A. Marcellus of Ancyra (Pseudo-Anthimus), 'On the Holy Church': Text, Translation and Commentary. Verses 8-9. Journal of Theological Studies, NS, Volume 51, Pt. 1, April 2000, p.95 ). Dean Matthews, DD, D. Litt.: • • “It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity formed no part of the original message. St. Paul did not know it, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed” (God in Christian Experience, p. 180). “The evolution of the Trinity: No responsible NT scholar would claim that the doctrine of the Trinity was taught by Jesus or preached by the earliest Christians or consciously held by any writer of the NT. It was in fact slowly worked out in the course of the first few centuries in an attempt to give an intelligible doctrine of God” (The Image of the Invisible God, SCM Press, 1982, Dr. A. T Hanson, Professor of Theology University of Hull) • It might tend to moderation and in the end agreement, if we were industrious on all occasions to represent our own doctrine (the Trinity) as wholly unintelligible (Dr. Hey, Lectures in Divinity, 2, 235 • The Trinity is a contradiction, indeed, and not merely a verbal contradiction, but an incompatibility in the human ideas conveyed. We can scarcely make a nearer approach to an exact enunciation of it, than of saying that one thing is two things. (Sadler’s Gloria Patri, p. 39, A. H. Newman). Jesus said: Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand! Matthew 11:15. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the SON of God? 1 John 5:5. There are NO such teaching saying we MUST BELIEVE Jesus is GOD or A TRINITY, but as St john has said: but he that believeth that *JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?* 1 John 5:5. Notice we MUST believe Jesus is *THE SON OF GOD* 1 John 5:5. And yet MOST have been DECEIVED into believing the CATHOLIC doctrine that Jesus the Son of His GOD, is instead the SAME GOD He was BORN from, which makes GOD and His SON into LIARS, who have always declared they are a LITERAL Father and SON, and that GOD amazingly GAVE and SENT His SON, who BOTH have never taught, GOD GAVE HIMSELF, as a sacrifice for the sins of the world, but that GOD gave His BEGOTTEN SON Jesus, NOT to condemn us, but save us by GODS own Son PAYING THE PRICE FOR OUR SINS. And as Jesus has said: ETERNAL LIFE is believing His Father GOD, is the only ONE TRUE GOD, alone. John 17:3. *Which is the FIRST commandment one MUST believe, that GOD IS one person, NOT THREE CALLED THE CATHOLIC PAGAN TRINITY, Mark 12:29.* You were shown these things so that you might know that the *LORD is GOD; BESIDES HIM THERE IS NO OTHER.* Deuteronomy 4:35. This ONE single scripture of Deuteronomy 4:35, PROVES the TRINITY is false, because the TRINITY teaches there are THREE Gods SIDE by SIDE, and not ONE GOD. When we see the massive deception of the TRINITY faith, it is of no surprise why Jesus said: MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN.
@jessefontenot9846
@jessefontenot9846 4 года назад
A twenty five minute video trying to split a hair that didn’t originate in scripture but in the pontifications of what most likely was a corrupted priesthood that gave reason for a reformation.
@josephwilliams3722
@josephwilliams3722 Год назад
Jesus Christ of Nazareth was 100% man and totally filled with the spirit of God there is only one God and there is one son and there is the Holy Spirit the three in one the wisdom of man is foolishness to God
@Freddiep1962
@Freddiep1962 4 года назад
This man with all due respect does not know what soul means. A living soul is the product of matter (dust) and the breath of God. Animals are living souls.
@CalebMorgan
@CalebMorgan 4 года назад
Source?
@Freddiep1962
@Freddiep1962 4 года назад
The bible.
@Freddiep1962
@Freddiep1962 4 года назад
Gen: 1:24, 20
@CalebMorgan
@CalebMorgan 4 года назад
@@Freddiep1962 Where does it say that a living soul is the product of dust and the breath of God?
@bakerstreetbear679
@bakerstreetbear679 4 года назад
Lol "this man"..that's RC Sproul bro. Grow some respect.
@kathleenwharton2139
@kathleenwharton2139 4 года назад
The Doctrine of a Modern-Day Pharisee! No Thank You!
@kathleenwharton2139
@kathleenwharton2139 4 года назад
+Jonathon Oliva..Jesus never Taught Trinity. That is a total made-up word by Religionists. There is No Source for Trinity.
@waynehampson9569
@waynehampson9569 4 года назад
R.C.Sproul is hardly a pharisee.
@marthaj67
@marthaj67 4 года назад
Have you watched all six videos in this playlist? Or have you just come to leave your misinformation about the Nature of God, along with a nasty accusation about RC Sproul, and then run away? The BIBLE is the source of ALL of our understanding. It tells us all we need to know about God, His Son, His Spirit (the TRINITY, which is BIBLICAL), the Gospel, life and Christian living, Prophecy, the Law, history, poetry, worship, et al. The only motivation you _seem_ to have is to cause division. We know the source of that because the Bible also tells us about the "Father of Lies".
@PaDutchRunner
@PaDutchRunner 4 года назад
kathleen Wharton Study your Bible!!! I would also suggest checking out Unseen Realm by Dr Michael Heiser.
@rod8989
@rod8989 4 года назад
@Jonathan Oliva Hebrews 3:1 Consequently, brothers set apart, partakers of a most exalted position, consider the apostle and high priest of our declaration, Jesus Christ, 2 faithful to Him Who created him, as Moses also was in all his house. 3 For he has been counted worthy of more eminence than Moses, since the one having constructed it has more honour than the house. 4 For every house is built by somebody, but He Who built all things is God. 5 And Moses was indeed faithful in all his house as a servant, for a testimony of those things going to be spoken afterwards. 6 Christ, though, is faithful as a son over his house, whose house we are, if we hold fixed the firm confidence and the rejoicing of the hope until the end. 7 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says: 'Today, if you hear His voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, as on the day of tempting in the wilderness, 9 when your fathers provoked Me, putting Me to the test, and they saw My works for forty years. 10 So I was angry with that generation, and I said, " They always go astray in heart, and they have not known My ways." 11 So I swore in My indignation, "They shall certainly not enter into My rest." ' 12 Watch, brothers, in case there is among anyone of yourselves an evil heart of unbelief so as to fall away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you might be hardened through the deceitfulness of violation. 14 For we have become partakers of the Christ if we hold fixed the source of our confidence, certain until the end, 15 with this to be said: 'Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion. ' 16 For some, having heard, rebelled, although not all those having come out of Egypt by Moses. 17 But with whom was He indignant for forty years, if not with those who violated, whose carcasses fell in the desert? 18 And to whom did He swear they should not enter into His rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 And we see that they were not able to enter in on account of unbelief.
@playthislick
@playthislick 7 месяцев назад
TOTALLY BAFFLED!!! There’s been 5 or more councils that convened to decide on the nature of the Christ!!! (Back and forth) This leads me to my next question: how many councils convened by non -trinitarians to discuss the nature of Christ?? NOT A SINGLE ONE that I know of, not even God’s apostles!! Why?? Because scriptures is very clear on the matter, “Our LORD is ONE lord,” Deut. 6:4, not three or three on one. Quit making it complicated for yourselves, my brothers and sisters. You have all said that it’s hard to understand, that it’s a mystery. Please look at the Scriptures as they are written, God is the Father and his son is Jesus Christ!! Yes, it IS that simple!!
@Joshhsoj
@Joshhsoj 5 месяцев назад
Hmm. You’re right in saying God is one. That is both simple and true however when we get to a passage like John 17 things get a little more complex don’t they?
@claudiozanella256
@claudiozanella256 4 года назад
The almighty God CANNOT EXIST here now for a logical reason. The reason is that He would know HIS OWN FUTURE too, "embedded" in the general future and would thus be OBLIGED to make that future true. This is not really a problem for important actions that have been decided by Him beforehand. The problem is that He would also BE OBLIGED to take EXACTLY any other IRRELEVANT action of his written future. God cannot accept that. This is why the Son of God exists: He doesn't know the future.
@justanotherbaptistjew5659
@justanotherbaptistjew5659 3 года назад
claudio zanella He’s eternal: He doesn’t just know His future, He ordains it.
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