Film Theory: ROGUE ONE's Turn to the Dark Side! (Star Wars: Rogue One) 

Kyle H Bwahahahahahahahah

+Kyle did they really show everyone die? If you didn't notice, they actually didn't show a single member of Rogue One die. They were all caught in explosions, sometimes even off camera. People survived the Nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, who says Jyn and Cassian actually died on that beach? There wasn't this massive ground upheaval as you saw on Jedha. 1. Pilot Explosion off Camera. 2. Monk, hit by shrapnel from explosion by blaster bolt against console. 2. Heavy, grenade goes off, sparks/flames go across screen, then camera shows explosion with characters again off screen. 3. Jyn and Cassian, shock wave arrives, camera goes yet again off screen, so you do not see them actually getting hit by the blast. Sure this could be censorship, but it could also be setting up for a plausible res usage of the characters. Lets put it this way. Mobile Suit Gundam Char's CounterAttack they did something similar. The character of Char (darth vadar of the Gundam universe) was claimed as dead in the Novel version of the film. But in the TV/Film world he was officially considered MIA, missing in action. In the film they even show a con trial a glowing line of light as a machine leaves an asteroid at the end, long after everyone else left. This scene lasted a fraction of a second. It had lead many fans to believe Char Aznable was still alive. Fast Forward to 2011 Gundam Unicorn episode 2 The Red Comet is released, a man named Full Frontal is pretty much "Char Aznable." In almost every way, but name. Film staff admit "They wanted Full Frontal to have a unique origin not related to the novel." In the Novel he was a man who they implanted Char's memories, but in the film series, they never explain his origin and leave it to fans to decide. To me he lived, as one of the machines used by "His" faction used the cockpit from his machine in Char's Counter Attack, implying to me that he survived. But yet they never came out and confirmed it, it's how to make a good mystery for fans.

Kyle H :,D OMG so true

Kameraden sorry bruh, there is an actual canon novel that tells all their last thoughts before dying... so they died :P

+marinus issue with that argument is almost none of the Novelizations of the films are accurate 100% to the films. So in a sense both the films and novels are canon for their own variation of the starwars universe. Despite how much people want to claim them as canon, even of Lucas himself said they were canon, if even one thing varies from the films, how can they be canon if the films are also canon? This is the same issue Mobile Suit Gundam has. It's such a problem that it's officially considered among fans that The Novels and TV/Films are Canon, but of their own variation or alternate reality of canon.

Justice Dunham Darth Sidious: ironic

Oh yes.

XD

Ikr

I know right? Iv been yelling at him from the start! 😂

I like that explanation

Director: "Hold my beer"

And that's exactly what made it great!

Well hold my lightsaber

If matpat could revive the theory it would be legendary

In other words it counts like a win but the boring one.

they fit just right into the old trash compactor of the old trilogy !

Serene Mountain the originally trilogy is great!!!!!!!!!!!!

what a sad truth

@LuppiesHyper they died what do you expect.

@LuppiesHyper i never sad it was bad you just assumed i did.

Well no one cared about solo even though it was good so I guess we didn’t appreciate what we had when we had it

Wasted...Befooled....Utterly thoughtless

Yeah I really wish they had done something with them other than just relegating them to “they fight, they die.”

“MatPan”

their awesomeness, its over nine thousand!

Ah yes my favorite RU-vidrs Droom and Matpan This is a joke

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you can edit

Actually Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes broke up recently. It was very emotional ;-;

Ulrich Faller one of them is force sensitive and the smaller one drives the death star

You mean...the jizz band.

QuiGonLiam because Palpatine is a powerful force user

True but Palpatine had force powers they did not

He could harness the dark side of the force. Remember the whole "the dark side is a path to many abilities some consider unnatural"?

@@thesurvivalistpotato3117 bout to say that vouch

Because that was a clone, not palpatines original body

there was the original trilogy, the prequels, the clone wars series, the rebels series, and this one shall be called lazy writing decade of Star Wars...

lmao then they all die

Hey! Clone wars was amazing!

Yes, yes it is very likely

everyone in rouge one died. ;-;

well we see the planet get deathstar-1.0ed but for all we know it did not work and they lived we never actually see them die we just suspect them to be dead.

@@undeadpeak dont we see a tsunami sized wave coming in after the impact of the laser?

@@straythrawn7861 yes, we do see a tsunami come in but again due to the fact we never see them die there are ways in movie magic how they could survive ranging from logical to completely absurd.

@@undeadpeak well, I think they were very implied to be dead, since we clearly saw everyone else in the rogue one team die, plus they were sitting on a beach and didn't look like they were going anywhere

@@straythrawn7861 I know I'm just arguing for the sake of it

Females StrongasHELL I know so sad

It built up everything! Oh, he likes her, she likes him, awesome blind monk is awesome, badass gun dude is better than highly trained death soldiers. They already outran one planet detonating explosion, there was a funny droid that wasn’t the usual funny, but the sarcastic funny. AND THEN F*CKING BLOW IT ALL UP AND TEAR MY HEART IN HALF

Xavier F it was so brilliant though, it's the best ending to any star wars movie. So unexpected.

yeah I was sad they killed everyone off too....

and they died. despite having a second robot and all the many plot holes.

And yes matpat, they killed everyone :P

Le Fedora Cate it didn't get me. I was more moved when darth vader fucked everyone up. Goosebumps

Leonidas Br you could feel the fear in the rebels

Incredible scene. Pure terror.

Leonidas Br yyyuuuuupp

Why he doesn't like them?

🐖

Director Gareth Edwards and writer Gary Whitta wanted to kill everyone but they thought Disney wouldn't approve so they wrote a good ending where Jyn and Cassian and a few others survive. Then in a surprise move Disney gave the green light to kill everyone.

Why is Disney part of this?

Multi Gaming Disney bought lucas film

yellow bat I believe Disney saw his theory and changed the plot like the finding dory.

ThatOneWhiteGuy agreed

ThatOneWhiteGuy How innocent

ThatOneWhiteGuy especially since they did kill everyone!

ThatOneWhiteGuy i

DÅn - DiamondGames9786 that's why it's funny

Fax

but, did they really die?

@@MizzSIR yes, they got obliterated by the death star indirectly

Well Vader didn't die, Moff didn't die, Leia didn't die, heck anyone not on scariff survived

@@wacky_duck1095 naaah. No ones ever really gone. I trust 100% in disney that they either forgot about it or that they dont care. So far has it gone

@@MizzSIR No, they just got their atoms splited apart by a Death Star,

/ NOVALADON / same

/ NOVALADON / same

/ NOVALADON / so did eye

/ NOVALADON / yeep

/ NOVALADON / yep

Shawn He Star Wars be like RU-vid DEMONITIZE THIS VIDEO

And he said it while showing the Death Star, the way that they died

Lol

Lol

"oh come oh"

MatPat: The knights often will be a big part of episode 8. Episode 8: Nah, how about we don't. Episode 9: Nah, let's do this, but don't say anything about them. MatPat: What.....

That's just a random justification for her British accent that someone made up at some point. The truth is that it was a mistake.

Oh, 8 is out. How about 9 - 10?

Like 200!!!!!!!

Well we all know what happened now.

THATS WHAT LUKE SAID!!!! UR COOL

Ohh! And they are all dead. Sorry pat😑

In his defense, this video was released a whole month before Rogue One was released.

Should have waited

Then why make it

I just watched it and im super sad about this theory...

KCG TheOneAndOnly what happened there ? haven't seen

kluk Awesome explosion by the Death Star

Trigger ??? 😂

Bonnie Girl But actualy there is some chance of them all surviving just like Vader did ik they went KABOOOM but maby they didnt...

The most accurate prediction he made was the throwaway one he said would never happen

Great reference a reference from a series that was ruined last minute for a franchise that was ruined last minute (well 2016).

LOL

AndyForce hey isn't this the same type of story of like the Phineas and ferb special episode

XD

Hilarious, but unlikely. Doing so would only confirm the theory.

but that would just be them confirming it as true

I mean the palps theory held up

Probably was too late to change it OR they missed it until after the movie was made

@@LunaraFlare It would have elevated rogue one from a good movie to a good movie in a series

@@mansoorkhanjadoon1360 imagine if THEY were the knight of ren. It will be so cool and bring some interesting backstory and give rogue one some purpose to the next installment.

Chris The Grape just cue the massive nuclear explosion.

Chris The Grape why?

spacium Cause they all die

just a little overcooked... it's still good... it's still good...-.- but honestly, i think they come back

Chris The Grape nope

But, what if they didn't die in the explosion?

Yea Matpat’s theory went down the drain

The movie could have let the main characters live and just send them to Alderan for some rest and relaxation.

elvisthechef true

ChrisBerriMC that could be possible.

I only remember they exist because of Lego Star Wars

Alien_pixels lmao i know i wa like well.... ima watch anyway

Alien_pixels so true

Alien_pixels ikr This theory is so good and could work so well if it weren't for the issue at the end of rogue one

or do they?

So sad

I actually liked the prequels

Wait ignore that I meant it for the comment above

not literally, cause... well it was never alive to begin with. I mean , even if you did a pun, still not literally ;X

Save the Dream!

Nuc leus Nooo spoiler alert

Ayurai OHHH BUT IT WAS A LIVE , IN OUR HEARTS

Remember when Anikin came back

Spectacular? That is the oldest fucking trope/cop out they could ever use! Killing everyone is just the laziest option they could have gone with, and of course that's what they did...

ButcherGod Not really. I mean, not only are they not in the original trilogy, but the act of stealing the death star plans WAS a suicide mission. Youre saying that them killing off A group of rebels with NO official orders going up against a galactic wide empire to steal the plans of a planet destroying death star is a lazy cop out? If anything, they shouldn't have succeeded at all. But they did and now we know how the rebels got the plans...

spoiler alert! geeez!!!!!

captaintaco2345 I really wanted it to be true

Be honest here, if you watched this video and saw it resembled matpat's story, would you come out of the cinema room and be satisfied of the movie? i know i wouldn't, it would just be such a stretch to say they are the knights of ren bc it would be pretty lame to see a bunch of old farts behind those suits, (but it would explain why we dont see the knights, its bc they are at the retirement home in ep7).

One of the people he says will become a Knight of Ren is confirmed to die.

Elderzeth died in the same way anakin died? He becomes someone else not die

Lord Swagnemite also the ages of the characters would be a hole in the theory

paul mcgettigan ?

They'd be way too old for the theory to work, you're talking about 60 to 70 year old people...

Omg you can predict the future

Andres Mundaca watching the movie after seeng this video is a way funnier experience :D

Andres Mundaca Yeah thats true

Sadly they all died in the end.... OR DID THEY..!?!

Oz ieus uuuuuuhhhhhh...ya...ya they did

+Oz ieus I'm thinking that they'll pull an Anakin and rebuild them as ruthless killers

TheAres1999 oh my god Yessss

Can I join?

The Knghts of Ren Started when Gorge Lucas Sold is Company to Disney ... They never existed before ...

Really?

This is officially my new favorite comment.

Sokz Illustrated or did they ?

Mtg_Boss5 they literally disintegrated

Lol

Do we know they know that or is all of the information we get the same info the rebels have which would mean they died when really they were captured and the Empire is hiding it. I mean the Star Wars series is always from the rebels point of view and on occasion they switch to the Empire's point of view but is it possible that we are seeing it through the eyes of the rebels and their spies?

No spoilers!

Ha that’s probably what happened

The Mentally Asane they died in the end of the movie

It seems we'll never see the original cut of Rogue One. It could have confirmed this theory. Gareth Edwards says in that version the characters survived.

You gotta wonder. This channel's a treasure trove for storytellers, world builders and continuity checkers. I wouldn't be surprised if a few pros check this place now and again.

+eddie warner sometimes i wonder .. sometimes i wonder I think they really did :)

:)

you know that it looks like all those characters died on scarif but remember that the empire has really badass lifesaving tech. it saved Darth Vader from third degree burns and dismemberment and also saved kylo ren from a blowing up Starkiller base

Capitaine I doubt it saves people from disintegrating planets

CoffeeToffeeTwistyFrosty: they did, and that's why I hate it!

CoffeeToffeeTwistyFrosty

Buster Pegg That's my name~

Nvm i should have scrolled thru comments first befor i typed anyting

MacYo _ LMAO

MacYo _ you right, they're all dead

Erica Cardoza yep but JAR JAR DIDNT DIE IN THE PREQUELS AHHGHH

Jar Jar didn't die in the prequels... #Jarjarbinksissnokeconfirmed

Jonathan Dahlberg exactly which is why they are all in suits and masks

there all in suits similar to darth vader. possibly life support

Jonathan Dahlberg - they could have been frozen like Han also.

Yes but when has being old stopped anyone in this series? i.e. Obi-wan, Darth Vader, Yoda, the Emperor, Luke now, Han Solo, Leia...

Jonathan Dahlberg yeah he never did solve that one

@I Guess they also look nothing like the art for tfa they don't even have similar roles I wonder how Trevorrow's knights of Ren would have looked

Yeah to me, it would be darker if the empire got their dead bodies and reprogrammed them to follow their orders and doing body modifications, making them stronger than they were before.

I think there was just way too much going on for them to be able to fit in another surprise in the final instalment. Perhaps they did have this story planned out, and maybe even several other side stories, but Disney just weren't able to fit it in.

Ironic how Matt debunked the Jyn is Reys mom theory by saying she's too old, then claims that this woman (who is too old to have a 20+ year old daughter) and her much older companions become the freaking Knights of Ren? Imagine, for a moment, these 70-80 year old people doing ANYTHING the knights of Ren are depicted doing

@@PennyGraham Honestly within Star wars, them being the knights would make more sense than her having a baby at that age. Because it'd hardly be a stretch to say after being captured and brain washed, they could have been experimented on and had their bodies be enhanced by the Empire. Ensuring their ages wouldn't effect their capabilities as soldiers. I mean just Look at General Grievous and Darth Vader.

MatPat really wants a main character to turn evil... again.

haha, me too.

lmaoooo true

That would be a better plot actually, but... what sealed this one for me was "The rogue" name.

xDagger it's called a theory for a reason genius

philip menton That is exactly what I thought. That would interfere with the theory, even though I love the idea. Maybe enhanced machine cyborg aka vader n general grievous?

Yes, unless you could freeze them... in carbonite, say?

philip menton humans in the star wars universe have access to rejuvenation tech they can easily live to 200 years.

leena Sanderson Matt is white and is always right

but freeze them in carbonate for 30+ years just to fill a plothole, i hope not

I was thinking the same thing lol

Roman Empi

Roman Empire I don't agree because he said that the girl in the new wars movie would be to old to be ray's mom so she would be to old to be part of the group right?

Roman Empire yes, yes they would lol

It's in her young age

Eh, can't say it was wasted, Rogue One was great BECAUSE they all died in the end, at least that was a really big part of the story. I don't entirely say I disagree with you though, Mats theory idea was REALLY cool, though I'm glad Rogue One turned out that way it did.

Yeah same, I'm watching this 5ever after they both came out. They should hire Mat, it would've been so sick!

Hey if they did it roque one wouldn’t be such a waste of time after all lol

@@henryyancey1117 Honestly I thought Rogue One was a much better movie than the last two main trilogy movies. A little shoe-horning is better than dozens of abandoned plot lines and recycled ideas/characters in my opinion.

They should hire MatPat as their... whatever the title for the job where MatPat can use his wild theories to actually make logically consistent movies with great twists

Nathan Craig or is it

Nathan Craig Disney was like oh really matpat hold my beer

YUUUUUUP

Nathan Craig I wonder how pat reacted to everyone dying.

Nathan Craig force can make people alive again

Ssens0 devices at first 4 see e es 2

I also appreciate bringing a better story than the last jedi

M3gatron5 TheDumbFrog No it would more along the lines of Disney employee: Do we kill him sir? Disney: No, let him live... For now

Gameman659 Who knew Disney worked for Hilary.

That's not funny, Tom. Disney would never work for someone poorer then them.

James Marshall ZAZAZAZAZA

I dont think they will be as smart as Mat Pat for what it takes..

Yeah but it’s still really bad they would be like 70 by the time of the sequel trilogy

Wait, did the whole planet get destroyed? I thought the Empire decided not to send the planet the way of Alderaan, and instead only blast the site the rebels were on.

The planet wasn't destroyed, but there would be no surviving the blast, in the Rogue One novel the deaths of several people in Jedha city as instantaneous vaporization, along with the fact that all but two of them were dead already.

That was an awesome explosion...

I said "They do!" out loud when he said that.

I laughed so hard at this xD

Edgar Garcia Oh that was a great moment

Edgar Garcia "Are you kidding me?! I'm blind!"

The whole theater laughed at that part.

Spoiler The droid wants a blaster.

Edgar Garcia they all die

King Critic It's a theory, doesn't mean it's true.

To be fair, Luke didn't even say anything in VII. He probably got less than 60 full seconds of screen time; he could still be evil.

most of the trailers footages and monologue/dialogue were cut from the movie, I say mat theory is plausible if there were no reshoot :D

King Critic he is theorising nobody knows 100% what is going to happen in movies so he is just stating a plot line that may look like will happen

King Critic hmmm I wonder why it's called a theory