Film Theory: The Marvel Gods Have FALLEN! (Guardians of the Galaxy 3) 

Strange still Strap him in a time Pardox so Dormmamu still was affected by it

@@oliwierkosmowski6645 Dormmamu wasn't affected by it. Like he said that was the problem. Strange didn't put him in a timeloop, he put himself in a timeloop. Dormmamu probably would not have perceived the timeloop if he were the one being looped.

He had no control over time

I'm pretty sure that the point was that Dormmamu couldn't escape the time loop even if he wanted to.

@@greywolf7577 true man

Lol

He has a good team. Theory solved.

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@@AzA609 yes

I agree,I am 50th like

I completely agree

it's Uatu, but I think that he swore a vow not to interact, and Kevin sure did interact

Things might change depending on what happens in What If Season 2. In the comics, Uatu is one member of a species of Watchers, and something tells me they'll not be entirely happy that Uatu broke the vow of non-interference. Edit: I just remembered that we see some other Watchers hanging out with Stan Lee in Guardians Vol 2, so there is a race of Watchers in the MCU!

@@johnnygyro2295does that not make Stan Lee a God?

@thesausageman5388 I'm not sure. In the comics, there is The One Above All, who sometimes takes the form of Jack Kirby, and he once mentioned a collaborator who might be Stan Lee. That said, it's possible Stan in the MCU was a mortal agent working with the Watchers. Uatu and Nick Fury were revealed to have worked with each other for a while back in the comics.

he would've been an amazing teacher if he had chosen a different career path honestly

The reason why he resorted to an omnipotent being is because the 'gods' that weren't omnipotent and killable, say themselves that they aren't gods, but rather really powerful mortals. So an omnipotent being is a satisfying conclusion to what a god means in the MCU. It's completely fine if you disagree, but I think it's a good conclusion to come to. Now it is true that I have already subscribed to this type of thinking a few years back, that The One Above All/Creators of Marvel leading the narratives of these stories are the only ones that could be considered true gods. But I didn't think about how the audience influencing the MCU could also be considered "gods" over the MCU, which is an interesting conclusion I haven't thought about. Overall I really like this video. But I would like it if you respond so we could have a longer discussion. (Or if anyone else wants to respond)

Yeah that's right, I personally have a ranking system for this sort of thing GOD ( abrahamic = top) then God's and then there's god's and then demigods and avatars of spirits

Yeah, gods killed each other a lot and some just don’t stay dead or it was just an avatar of themselves, but I think this video was interesting. All powerful gods fighting with philosophy is what you get left with once a character becomes the one to rule and control everything and is just basically fighting themselves, from a certain perspective. If “god” gave away his power would he no longer be God?

yep

@@rrose9161 gonna quote a small passage, "In 2 Kings 3, Moab was a vassal to Israel, and it decided to rebel against Israel. (v. 4-5) Israel, Judah, and Edom decide to strike back. They stop by the prophet Elisha to get Yahweh's word on whether they will be victorious. Elisha prophecies that "(Yahweh) will also deliver Moab into your hands. You will overthrow every fortified city and every major town." (v. 18-19) This appears to be the case, and every major city is destroyed except Kir Hareseth, or "Fortified City of Dirt." Over and over, Moab is defeated. But, suddenly, in verse 27, the Moabite king sacrifices his own child, and "divine wrath" fell on Israel, causing them to retreat. The Hebrew word there, קֶצֶף, is exclusively used in Classical Hebrew to describe the wrath of a deity. But which deity? Certainly not Yahweh. Why would he respond to a Moabite human sacrifice, break his own prophecy of victory, and force his own armies into retreat? Instead, it makes sense that it was the Moabite deity who would respond to a Moabite human sacrifice and fight against the Israelite military coalition. We also have a Moabite stele with this exact scenario inscribed, paralleling 2 Kings 3: "Omri was king of Israel, and oppressed Moab during many days, and Chemosh was angry with his aggressions... and I took from it the vessels of Jehovah, and offered them before Chemosh... And the king of Israel fortified Jahaz, and occupied it, when he made war against me, and Chemosh drove him out before me." This parallel is clear. in 2 Kings 3, Yahweh's prophecy of victory is a failure, and a Moabite god's wrath drives Israel into retreat. In the Moabite Inscription, Chemosh's wrath ends in Yahweh's defeat and the fleeing of Israel. Yahweh is not some sort of omnipotent being in much of the Bible. He is one of many gods, and he is a god that can be beaten."

It also works as a retroactive idea to canonize every Stan Lee cameo into One Above All or a representative figure of it, hence his presence in every movie up until Endgame

I prefer the theory that Stan Lee is a Watcher

That's... literally what he said in the video

No, He's literally the God in tha MCU. Their version of Yahweh from the Hebrew Bible. He is No stand-in. Bruh, in the Future just Speak on things You know instead of things You're ignorant of.

@@EmperorPilaf04 I like that idea too, but the scene of him hanging with the other Watchers at the end of Guardians 2 kinda puts the kabash on that. Though...you could argue that he's a watcher who's so dedicated to his role that he keeps his human appearance even when making his reports. Both work.

"ridiculous yet wild" lmao

he's also saying that we are gods

Agree to disagree; I think Rocket Racoon could still kick all of our butts

i agree with this 100%

in reality, a god is rather simply an object of worship or devotion. that's why Money is often described as a god.

That’s what I’m thinking as well. A “god” is a perspective term. Imagine a being who could control the weather. To us, that would be a god. To a civilization that has been able to terraform planets and control their climate and weather patterns for millennia if not eons, that same character would be akin to just another one of their own kind.

@@logandelacruz2152 Kinda like that famous Arthur C. Clarke quote: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." To those who do not possess the power to, say, read minds, one who CAN would be indistinguishable from a god, simply because they can do something we cannot. It's kinda why Superman works so well as a concept; he's not a god: to his own kind, were Krypton to never have been destroyed, he'd likely have lived his life as just an average Joe Schmoe, but to us Earth people, he is as a god because he possesses powers the likes of which us mere mortal men do not.

I am not reading all that

I think it was implied at some point that Eternity and some others (Infinity, Death, and maybe Oblivion) created the Infinity Stones? I'll have to double-check, but Guardians Vol 1 hinted at their involvement via a mural at the intro's temple. TV Tropes probably has more info.

He got a team

He just does the supervising and voiceovers, he has a team as explain in “i sold my channel”

@@christophergalvez7447 a big one at that

He does have a pretty good team behind him. But yeah, still impressive

Agreed

Wait, he worked on Marvel AND DC? That's really cool

John kirby is also the namestake for kirby as he defended nintendo from illumination who sued them saying donkey kong is too close to to king kong

He died in the 90s if I’m right

@@Nobody_is_here_right_now Different guy, but still a very cool fact :)

That is true, I was more surprised that Jack Kirby made as many cameos in comic books as Stan Lee did in the movies. Even when I first saw the movie, Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse, I thought that Mile Morales came from the universe where Stan Lee died before Jack Kirby and was left to take over Marvel on his own which probably gave a cameo of Stan Lee in the Mile Morales version of Spider-Man in the comics. Meanwhile, the Amazing Spider-Man, is actually the one that we exist in where Jack Kirby died before Stan Lee.

yeah, that will be too depressing

Rocket surviving and learning how to cope with his trauma and build a better future is a much better message to the audience than him straight-up dying without being able to accomplish a thing

The main cast surviving is also a better ending for every single one of them. They've been losers for most of their lives up to that point, it's about time they win, and that win comes in the form of another chance, an even bigger chance than what they got from the movies they were in. Another chance to live a life that they deserve. It just happens to align with what the corporates want, more chances for these characters to be profitable, just, don't make another guardians movie. Leave them as they are, maybe show up in crossovers or something.

Rocket not getting to face off against the High Evolutionary would have been a crime.

Yes, why was he left out? He is a being beyond the pantheons, and other beings from series were covered.

​@@lorikeetrainwing The comics explain it. He is simply old, one of the oldest races. He isn't actually powerful, but he has a lot of powerful stuff.

What about that one duck

The Watcher is very much killable

He also said it himself that he's not a god.

I remember when the 2K3 show's retold that story one episode for a Jack Kriby tribute. Mike Pollock, aka Eggman, voiced Kirby.

How and why is this meme still ALIVE!!!

Wow bro so funny 😐😐😐😐

I want to be rasict but I don't know you're race

Oh god the Hans Niemann meme is spreading everywhere

What you mean he sead its Theorin time

​@@Saryusunbeliefs are shaped by culture most of the time

reminds me of in the terry pratchet book mort, that death confirms everone is correct in thier view of the afterlife, and that this has terrifying implications.

@@Saryusun the main character in moon knight believes his guardian deity is basically his room mate

And then there is Valhalla

Yeah, I don't recall Gunn having a problem with Disney/Marvel Studios having control over his story like other directors did. His beef with them seemed to been solely about the whole firing nonsense.

Ye she was initially going to die instead of Yondu

@@CouchSpud91 He doesn't even have a beef with them lol

The "lore" is nonsense anyways

​@@ZiggyZamboon yeah it used to make sence and would be reletivly easy to keep track of but now its just crazy

same dude

The lore isn't that complicated

What about the assertion that Minerva was an adaptation or another persona of Athena? Myths, legends and beliefs could have been translated or adapted into local retellings. For some reason, some franchises loosely based off of historical, mythical and legendary beings use technicalities to argue that B is just that country's version of A from this country.

My theory is mildly taken from the American Gods book, that gods are created from the collective will of those who believe in them. So one could say that perhaps when the Roman empire assimilated Greek goddess Athena and renamed her Minerva, enough people believed in her that she came into being.

​@@tbm275 that was my thought too. And if that's the case, then there could also be an actual Athena as well, as Thena inspired the Athena that people worshipped, which caused her to come into existence

@@mengquensiew3140 my theory is that when Thena introduced herself to the greeks she went “my name? uhhh Thena” and then bam athena

If I'm not mistaken, that's what actually happened. The Romans had their own pantheon but then kinda absorbed the Greek pantheon and fusing the gods. The Roman Minerva was more of an arts and crafts goddess and ended up syncronosing with Athena, who had similar domains.

Basically a real God is a figure of someone who does not account to appear physically in the world to not be seen but still exists somewhere out in the world who may be watching.

At least 236 people have seen the movie and not liked this comment

God damnit, I’m on mobile and this was the top comment.

This!

it feels like they are place holder afterlifes, that for some characters and in some ways you can bring people back to life like we saw in endgame. And if they don't have any way to return then they're taken off the board forever.

This should get pinned!!

Rocket does believe in a religious afterlife. He may not be Christian but his worldview told through lylla is closest to christianity

I think he doesn't define them as gods because they themselves don't

In a way Thanos might aswell be the MCU's God of balance

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I think he means God and not god if you see the difference

I was thinking of gods as beings who have ultimate control over some aspect of reality like Greek gods.

audiences will eat and consume any old trash and an example is most of the movies and novels out there.have you noticed how all these things reinforce human thoughts

You might Steven Universe, a superhero cartoon that has a non-depressive nihilistic tone. The title character's arc partially involves learning that his existence has no purpose and that doesn't exist solely to help others.

@@greenamber9827 seems cutesy enough. I might just check it out. I need a good distraction, thanks

Much love back to you, as you gave it to someone who needed it like me. Thank you.

You missed the meaning of the scene, Lylla calls him, her little racon, and Rocket realizes it's an illusion, get's mad, and says I'm not a raccoon. The point being it was Rocket himself telling his conscience what he needed to hear. The grass is not greener on the other side, it is greenest where you water it.

@@Byronic19134 I think that’s a rather nihilistic way to look at it in the BEST possible way. I’m not gonna discuss afterlives with you because neither of us is gonna change the others mind but I agree 100% with the statement that life doesn’t get better, you MAKE it better. You are WISE my friend. Take good care of yourself, I like you

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That's low bar

​@@MegaPokefan97 fr😂

It's kinda hard to not be more inspiring than Netflix's Cleopatra... for obvious reasons.

why is that bad i haven’t watched it

Bruh, I alr got bots lol

@@StenMKII I am so tired of these fricking bots.

@@StenMKII Just fire your charging handle at them, that should scare them off

Okay please be quiet, you don’t need to comment on every single video you watch 🙄

I also agreed.

Hes a watcher

Like johnny depp and majors

Like Mario Bros. 2? Please - don't give them ideas 😆

they could definitely retcon that by saying that Eternity as we see it at the center in L&T is just its physical manifestation (or a form that a mortal mind can comprehend without their brain turning to mush or something). it still IS the universe, but it has a physical form that can be interacted with

The comics already have a convoluted metaphysics as it is - surely you didn't expect _Disney_ to adapt it as to make things any more clearer to a general audience?

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No way, Mozart watches Film Theory! Love your symphonies btw.

That’s what I kept saying to myself lmaoo, he got that part all they way wrong. Strange used the stones on himself and persuaded Dormammu to leave by annoying him. But Dormammu wasn’t affected

Except that Dormmamu clearly was effected, they both kept experiencing the same event over and over but with the memory of it happening. It's most evident in the first loop when Dormmamu actually starts to repeat his line before realizing he's repeating it.

Dormmamu was affected though. He literally controls the dark dimension, and since the dimension can be bounded by time, so can he. He only bargains with strange because he couldn't do anything against him. If he could, Strange would stay dead after the first time he was killed, or dormmamu would just break out of the loop. I think he has a little control over it, as he can remember stuff after a loop, but not outright break it.

Dormmmamu was absolutely affected. The entire point of the bargain was that Dormmamu was trapped in the loop and needed Dr Strange to release him.

Agree. It didn't affect Dormammu. It was just irritating as an ant that keeps coming back to life only to be killed again and again, but it still comes back! You'd easily take the deal to not destroy its anthill in order for it to leave.

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Krill-Eating Viscerally Incompetent Nincompoop. I win by W.O., given I tried.

its ridiculus right? every like 2 days I see like 10 more mat pat videos

Probably cause he doesn’t come up with all this one his own…he has a team of writers so it makes it easier for him just to record lol

the man got rid of the best super man and kept the worst flash.

@@GabeOrionVRwatch the man give Grant a role in grants (somewhat accurate words) “if they want to be the flash again, I’ll do it”

Matt Walsh would be proud: we got both walrus and disabled checkboxes ticked on this one...