Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Makes a Mess of THAT Moment 

Indeed. It's like installing poker tables and slot machines in a church. DURING a funeral service.

In the OG she dies and you fight a boss straight afterwards, it's the same thing.

@tiensimon1263 It doesn't take away from the moment because it's just one boss. Not to mention, her theme is playing throughout the whole thing. Letting you know that this is still about her. Just because remake does something similar doesn't mean it's the same thing.

@SpaceBird24 No, Cloud did save Aerith. We just happen to keep on following the timeline in which he failed to save her because it's the main timeline, but since he travelled through another timeline, he can now see those other timelines, as it is shown when he looks at the rift in the sky that only appears in the other timelines. With that knowledge, he can't fully think of Aerith as dead, but more like she's just out of reach for now; and just like Zack, he probably think he will find a way to reunite the timelines ans save her, hence him not mourning her like the other characters. "Just as worlds unite, so too do they part. But who's to say they can't unite again? "

@@surreal_dreams sephiroth always say to Cloud “Those who look with clouded eyes see nothing but shadows”. Sephiroth knows Cloud is trippin because of him. Cloud don’t even know who he is anymore.

Yeah, honestly they should have just killed her or changed it to someone else. This was the much worse decision.

No, Seph said he needed the key (from the Main world) to get the Black Materia (from the World Between Worlds.) Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game. That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.

@@robertjones3489 Wow, that's needlessly complicated.

​@@robertjones3489 Where is the WBW in the OG game? Isn't that a retcon?

@@lpstweetytv5242 the OG is the WBW.

yeah, Square Enix is bad at that. Been bad at it for over a decade.

Exactly 100%

In OG it's so "less" that the whole party goes snowboarding right after she dies. They barely even mourn her death bro 😂 OG fans think their 1997 game is perfect, such delusions.

@@Goujiki did you even play the original?

@@Goujiki obviously you miss the point. In this game the ending is so messed up its like KH again. The original is simple, but to the point. She dies, they mourn her for the rest of the game. Theres no multi dimension 😆

They did Sonon’s death even better, and we don’t even know who he is!

Not literally, but also they screwed up Biggs at the same time

It's not a multiverse, lmao, lil guy missed the whole point 😂😂

​@@TigraSpartanyes it Is.. You are the one who missed the whole point...

@@sliferskydragon9798lmfao he’s so confidently and condescendingly wrong

​@@TigraSpartanIt absolutely is. We see multiple timelines near the end.

@@TigraSpartan Sephiroth LITERALLY shows AND TELLS Cloud that there's multiple worlds and timelines. And he also states that they're merging (which is why you're able to fight alongside Zack). How are you gonna be condescending to someone when the game itself says you're wrong lol

Exactly. If people can defend this they’d have been happy with anything. So why not just make everyone happy?

If you want to play the exact same thing, boot up the original. That story hasn't gone anywhere.

@@omegashinra7672ur dumb

@@omegashinra7672If you want a new story, play another game. People asked for a remake.

Literally couldve ambushed them with sleep materia.. poor writing

When plot armor failed to protect the main crew 😅

FACTS, that scene annoyed me so much and made no sense.

How dare they not make MY characters infallible superheroes! 🤬🤬

​@@nathanizabeast yes because it makes sense that they beat fate itself but get KOd by lowly gangsters

Im amazed this video exists

Lol, me too

I'm still amazed that OG FF7 fans think their game is perfect. Bros still living in 1997, sad.

​@Goujiki no one said or even implied that💀

@@Goujiki Keep coping ; FF7OG is better than this shitfest LMFAO

Underrated comment

Lmfao

Lmfao man this had me gigling like a maniac.

Fkn hell 😂😂

It’s not a remake

​@@Tryhardblackguyit's not an improvement, either.

In all seriousness, they're not going to leave that out.

Agreed. They could have made it just as meaningful as ffx tides and Yuna kiss scene and put all the feels and gravity of the situation in it

They are saving that scene for when clouds mind gets fixed clearly.

It was tragedy because was unexpected while here was the most anticipated. Back in 1997 many tried to hack the PS1 to bring back Aerith to life....hehehe

hate kingdom hearts lore

Wow it’s almost like the creators of kingdom hearts and ff7 are the same people!!

stop insulting kingdom hearts, Final Fantasy and Kingdome Heart are not similar. The idea of ​​kingdome hearts is Nomura's alone and will remain so. In Final Fantasy he didn't write and make the story. So if you have to criticize, do it in the right way. Get the right information before writing nonsense about a game

@@davidegariboldi2966 he's talking about how it's a hot mess.

The rest of the party believe it is a full on death, and the impact is still there for them and in the final cutscene. We get the sadness of the OG and excitement for the new story, best of both worlds. Great ending

Imo it pretty much says no matter what cloud does aerith dies sadly.

@@preslim84 The og moment was easy to understand and simple yet powerful. This new one just follows the modern day misguided thinking of more,more,more is always better. Straight garbage.

​@@preslim84Stories should have an emotional impact on *the audience* though.

there was... watch peoples reaction to it@@grungedimi

Only for KO. Not for death

Phoenix down can be used for death look at crisis core

@@NefariousDrearyyeah well raise wouldnt work either

Don't they have the Phoenix materia?

And we have like 99 of them in our inventory 😅

There are multiple realities going on.

Yeah, the game is clearly tells you and even zack does. When sephiroth merges the world she's going to come back.

Because he's connected to sephiroth he can see the branch

Aerith pulls him into Zack's world, goes on a date and then shoves him back through a portal to the main timeline to save him. Since he's passed through multiple timelines, he can see the tear in the sky.

@@DarthPingu07 he also went into a portal before he met with Aerith same as in remake

Yeap and the fact that multiverses of FFVII exist also means that Cloud and Sephiroth in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate may even be canon now.

Everyone has been beating this concept to death lately

Same but also, the Whisper things are so pointless and annoying. Why are they even there if we can't actually change anything?

@@Alassandros my thoughts exactly

Maaaan me too

Lets goooo, seya in 4 years time woohooo

You mean ff7 rehab?😂😂😂

My Guess it's FF7 Journey's End

@@shadowparkzgaming807 my guess is ff7:reunion or if they really want to mess with us ff7:resurrection

Will it cover the last two discs of the original

😂😂

Tbh it was predicted by the game hours before so u always knew

Also if you already played the og game you know that her death is coming

@@crabroll1681Or at least understood it was always a possibility.

there's no emotion only confusion😂

Nah you suppose to feel something for Tifa and Cloud, Clouds crazy arc is beginning

@@SpaceBird24bruh red 13 literally feels her spirit is there in the ending so she is there just in spirit but cloud can see her like how he sees sephiroth 😭😭 edit: actually im not sure the story is confusing rn can you try and explain it to me in a simple manner

Cloud create another world/timeline when save Aerith and he's 'stuck' in between then. The same effect happens when Zack chooses save Cloud or go to Sector 6. Cloud can see things that happen in both worlds, kinda at the same time, probably because of Jenova cells. Thats why he can see the fracture in the sky and others dont, the fracture is in the timeline that he saves Aerith. Next game probably will began the same this one: we seeing what happened in the other reality.

But if we conclude that it's only Cloud imagination then why when he block Sephiroth blow there is white-rainbow light which meant to open new timeline.

There is also the aerith thay gave cloud her white materia, and he leaves just before sephiroth enters the church

@@lebazolliit doesn’t matter that Cloud saved Aerith and created a new time line she is destined to die by sephiroth no matter what. Just like Zack no matter what decision he made to see Hojo or see Biggs he still ran into the same shinra troops who killed him in the OG. Same with Aerith , Sephiroth still killed her in a different timeline when she was at the church with cloud.

Same directors

@@verus2k6 Naoki Hamaguchi did not direct KH. If people still think that Nomura is the Director here, they are simply wrong.

@@TheAufziehvogelI’ve been so tired seeing people blame Nomura. They have literally stated that it’s not him writing the story.

People keep on coping that nomura didn’t direct this, but he had a part a play. Even stated in interviews from remake.

@@TheAufziehvogelhe is the creative lead so he is not without fault on this

it really took 2 hours, and not because its difficult or anything xD

If it took you two hours, you're just bad bro, sorry to tell you

@@Kuerikami if it took you 2 hours you have some heavy skill issue

Sounds like skill issue

An hour and a half for me lol cause the reborn part was pretty annoying lol

Best Cloud dialogue in the original game. All we wanted was to hear that moment fully voice-acted.

Indeed. Cloud’s speech is the single most important, impactful, thematically necessary moment in the entire game/series, now relegated so some silent quick edits. It’s a travesty, honesty.

SHUT UP! Aerith will no longer laugh, no longer cry...or get angry. Then he stands up and shakes in rage. So much better then this garbo.

@chadsmith7519 EXACLY!! This speech right here evoked such emotion to us as the player. Especially since the speech came from cloud.

You can see snippets of that iconic speech through lip reading, however because of all the mako static going on it is a blink and you miss it sort of thing.

Perfectly said. Thank you.

Thanks Kojima

@@JackRong-qg3cl Did you rike it?

She never died to save humanity; she did not NEED to die. That's her entire point. She was murdered, not sacrificed nor did she want or plan on dying.

You mean Sephiroths new game plus.

Well... this Sephiroth is from the future. So it began as his New Game +, and Aerith was like "Hold My Beer"

More like the contrived materia

yeah agree.. aerith know cloud cannot accept the reality. it will doesn't make sense if after his big lost, cloud still continue to fight bravely. the only reason why aerith still appear in cloud minds, is only to cheer him in his journey.

No, because Red sensed her presence

Barret sensed wedges presence too Lifestream man ​@@PeppeDAngelo-kq2ng

But then what about the rainbow prism that appears after sephs sword is deflected? It was heavily implied when this appears another reality is created.

@@PeppeDAngelo-kq2ng Barret sensed wedges as well Likely just a life stream manifestation

Well, have to disagree with the soundtrack. The original was a masterpiece, and those songs are faithfully remade, but EDM while walking through mountains? Terrible rap when fighting in the arena? I’m one of the biggest fans of the music of FF7 and the new songs seem out of place and do not cut it.

@@friday13michaelthe soundtrack is phenomenal you dunce.

​@@friday13michael Soundtrack is better than the last game

THANK YOU!!!

It's literally their business strategy. Create some confusing nonsense to drive speculation and interest in the next sequel. Whether it actually makes the game better or makes sense is secondary.

When we saw Zack in Remake, that was the moment this remagining of FF7 is going to be different, so as this but still Arith is dead.

It's even more disappointing because the character writing and dialogue are infinitely better than the original's ever was, and if they just focused on expanding upon those aspects while keeping the original story intact, we'd have a perfect remake.

Cry more. You would probably like it if Sephiroth dyed his hair neon orange

@TheArmoredScarecrow Awe, there's a little troll who doesn't know how to write. Don't worry, the grown-ups are talking now.

nah they're not doing fan service, the keeping the original content part you said would have been fan service.

if it was fan service, they would NOT have done this. no fans wanted plot changes from an ff7 remake

bruv it's called a remake, not a remaster lol

Marlene, say Doomguy into the mirror three times. Okay, but why? Because the multiverse will annoy him so much that it REFORMS itself. And everyone will be saved. Does that Crucible in the Black Materia chamber belong to Doomguy? ... Does it? When did he...?

Someone called it realms. I'm gonna go with calling it realms that multi universe. Eases the blow a little and hopefully people use it to take the edge off

It's still about cloud broken mind state

That's how you milk the fan base. Most of the significant changes made to the game was for stretching it to a 3 part series.

Its not multiverse like marvel stuff etc.

"I've never blamed you, not once" that quote is simple yet powerful for obvious reasons

Yes

*when part 3 is finished and around 200$ has been spent.

They went that route so that they can have everybody together. Aerith and Zack will return at some point in part 3, bringing the whole gang together for the final battle, it’s pretty clear what they are setting up to do

lol hopeless consumer

@@Tw0tsonAren’t you edgy, kid.

@@Tw0tsonjust say you are broke lil boy

... it is a standalone game though.

@@fiprosha3 games bud

Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds with the key to get the black materia. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game. That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.

Maybe that is the point. Maybe in this mess were supposed to go numb only to eventually be rebirthed.

It is a separate stand alone game

Didn’t bother people in AC

​@@ThesocialmuteHD It DID bother people in AC. That's why so many people basically ignore everything post OG FF7.

@@ThesocialmuteHD It kind of did. The entire compilation is an after thought, and they were just milking the OG.

Didn’t Aerith reappear throughout certain places in the original game as a blink and you miss it ghost if you revisit certain areas in the game? You know like the church you try to approach her but she disappears if you did. Maybe they were trying to reflect that.

Its clouds break down. No one else sees her.

Literally cloud having ptsd and coming terms to aertiths death would have been a great idea if the execution was better.

you sumed up pretty well my feelings too

That's the difference from the original, in this one cloud seeing Aerith is not part of any ptsd or trauma, is because Aerith became one with the lifestream as so is Sephiroth right now. She dies in the material world, but she is alive. OG cloud didn't know, remake Cloud knows. Or maybe it is just trauma and they are going to play with him accepting it, but the ending of advent children and everything else. We will find out in part 3, we have a few years to speculate lol

Except she doesn't die in the Main world. Tifa had static and saw both worlds. One, Aerith is covered in blood. Two, Cloud blocked Sephiroth and Aerith isn't harmed. Now, here's how you know which is which. Seph needed to force Cloud and company into the World Between Worlds with the key to get the black materia. This happened right when Tifa saw static. The WBW Temple is not on the Northern continent, only in the Main. The WBW is the OG game. That is why Aerith seems dead. Cloud understands it's an illusion. Cissnei doesn't feel Zack is dead either.

It's hard to feel any emotions during her death because we've known about it for 27 years

Combat (which is inferior to 16s) is carrying the game for me so far. I’m an OG fanboy and so far the game feels like a hollow mess. The fort condor segments made me die inside.

Yeah but them just making an honest remake of the game would be too easy, and everything has to have the multiverse buzzword in it somewhere Its not the same company that made great games anymore :(

It's a remake not remaster. Sequel to OG FF7... Doesn't have to be exactly the same.

It was always going to be a sequel though, book readers knew this.

@@denisbarbic That’s a poor excuse for bad execution bro.

Lmao

Nobody cares

_money_

Because you expected that scene.

That's why it worked for ff7 OG this is a different game

This comment makes no sense. FF7 rebirth is a totally different game than FF7.

So "perfect" the whole party goes snowboarding after she dies and they barely even mourn her death 😂

@@tiensimon1263and for that an inferior product.

@LostGeburah in your opinion, but it's making sales and is the talk of the town it will do well and go down in history regardless.

Uh, IGN always give bad scores lol

@@suhtangwongThey literally gave FF7 Rebirth a 9/10.

Chills? Or maybe they are just people with different opinions than you.

@@TheManaTree777shills*

Or they just have opinions lol

Thanking ign lmao 😂

hatewatcher behavior

@@TigraSpartaneven a broken clock is right 2 times a day.

The same IGN who called it a masterpiece. Not taking them seriously

Yeah, one of the great things about Sephiroth in the OG was simply him not talking so much.

That isn't Sephiroth. The real one is a mysterious badass who says little and comes across as a genuine danger. When he transforms into a twisted angelic being at the end of the game, it feels threatening. This limp-wristed imposter with his flimsy black bird's wing poses no threat to anybody and absolutely will _not_ shut up.

@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers All that happens in part 1, and Meteor is done also in Part 1. Sephirot is defeated to free Holy and fight it back but fails and Aerith intevenes from the Lifestream to push out Meteor at the end of the OG. Here that's no more.

@@Haegemon What a shame.

@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers it's a new plot. Sephirot changed the end in the Remake part 1.

It’s an easy copout.

@@Cheet0Dusted Yeah true

So they can write whatever garbage they want to without consequence because they can always switch timelines.

@@kenmasters1803 Also true

They're rating the totality of the game, not simply the ending cutscene. You can't give a game with 80 hours of excellent gameplay and 1 hour of a confusing cutscene, a 6/10 because of it. Come on now. Nearly all of those reviews mentioned this about the ending. And presumably, lowered the score by fractions of a point accordingly. It has mostly reviews in the low 9's. 90-98's. Not 100's.

@@Jimmymatthewb agree 100%. in total, the game is absolutely fantastic. also, who says she really isnt dead and alive at the same time? maybe 2 timelines merged, who knows. dont take this video literally, its just a fantheory as well.

@@Jimmymatthewb You absolutely should have your rating impacted by the most important parts, and the ending is often the most important part of any story.

@@vincentgraymorethis is why your not a game journalist

@@toomuchkulture5003 Wow. Standards are low these days.

Can't hate Sephiroth because he's hot now

Its a sequal, not a remake

It’s called final fantasy 7 remake, which implies it’s a remake@@charlestonho6733

@@charlestonho6733 if these games were made as remakes and kept all of the old story beats without all of this multiverse and "sequel" nonsense it would be so much better

@@Mujoman101 Nomura already stated its sequal and already hint Sephiroth and Aerith went back in time for their goal.

@@charlestonho6733 the word remake was in the title of the 1st entry..... its bait and switch.

Nomura is not the writer.

@@gamerd8709 No he did not. The main scenario writer is still Kazushige Nojima. He wrote the scenario for almost every PlayStation Era Final Fantasy. If I'm informed correct, Nomura hadn't much involvement with Rebirth at atll besides character designs. Do not spread half knowledge. It's bad enough people still think in 2024 that Tetsuya Nomura is the mastermind behind every Final Fantasy game.

​@TheAufziehvogel That's the Nomura haters. Nobody listens to these clowns.

It’s a combination of them not just Nomura, but it’s still bad.

@@TheManaTree777he is the creative lead so he is still needing to answer for this

Literally all of them? You clearly did not played the Remake games.

@@TheManaTree777clearly

Nah he’s spitting, other than the development of avalanche. This remake/sequel/game is lazy in writing. Only thing this games does right is gameplay.

@@jagmaster-playz it makes some mistakes but it’s far from lazy. You tweaking

@@guyc1479 SOME MISTAKES ? Let me break it down and not from my perspective since I’ve play the OG and a little of crisis core. As a new player in order to understand the story you need to play Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy VII crisis core Final Fantasy VII (Advent children) If not you will be pretty confused on what’s happening and who these random characters are, and on top of that there hasn’t been one emotional moment that hit as hard as they original, and the meta commentary they had for this game is like spitting in your face. The OG fans are sad because a game with the 2nd or 3rd best story in the entire franchise as butchered for a meta commentary, fan service, and decent new character building which ultimately doesn’t amount to much. Especially, Sephiroth he literally got turned into one of the most menacing characters in all of gaming to a random time wizard character that shows up because of fan service.

No its not

Of course it is. They praise the game, yet they point out a serious flaw with honesty and integrity.@@charlestonho6733

Huge W

Nope, you gotta make multiple assumptions

She say that because the cast members can't see aerith only cloud can

​@@tiensimon1263 yeah but that really could have multiple reasons. its just an assumption. zack is still alive in another world and he asked cloud to save aerith.. who knows what will really happen?

She turns into green particles because she’s part of the lifestream and only Cloud can still see and interact with her although Red did feel her.

Idk what rebirth u played but ive seen sephiroth only a few times and most of them were in clouds mind too

Well they were honest with their Starfield review 🤷😆

Ate they being honest or you are just agreeing with them?

@@JuanPablo-su6vw could be both but the way they’re doing Aerith is confusing it’s like damn can my man cloud just be happy 😂😂

That moment already lost emotional impact since everyone knows she dies in the original.

@@linoleon100 People aren’t going to complain about MGS3’s ending not hitting from already knowing it.

@@Alex_Logan22 Nah they're gonna complain anyway because, "souless remake!!!"

@@bruhtholemew That's an entirely separate sector of people that probably aren't buying these games anyway.

You made me think of something. Since Aerith is saved by Cloud in that tineline and Cloud can see other timelines, him seeing Aerith as a spirit is just her in another timeline.

Be quiet and get lost white boy. sakaguchi ain't coming back to make you garbage westernized turn based rpg nonsense with westernized homo writing.

nomura wanted a 1:1 remake, so this theory kinda falls apart

Nojima*, not Nomura.

Didn't Nomura only do the character designs for TWEWY?

Nojima is the writer. Kitase has more heavy influence on the story changes. Nomura has had little to do with the main story of the Requel trilogy...

Though Nomura is the creative director, he originally wanted a more faithful remake (still split between multiple games) with some expansions. However, Nojima and Kitase who also worked on the original team convinced him (also one of them is the producer who has significantly more power in that role Japan than the role in its Western counterparts) to go this route. Nomura said he eventually relented since both Nojima and Kitase refused to work on the project otherwise and Square demanded the original crew work on the Remake project.

It’s an embarrassment compared to the original

You are ​@@drsteinman5510

I’ve only recently played ff7 og and I’m still disappointed

Unlikely.