Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth on PS5 - DF Tech Breakdown - Quality/Performance Modes + More 

So nice to have such a great throwback!

Maybe if we play Rebirth on a crt it would look better

Probably the only thing about the game that will.

"Its an homage I swear"

Yeah it looks just like the FMVs

😂 true

It does

I'm gonna play this one on 30fps,i played the demo on the graphics mode and i was able to use parry and It was good optimization,in this game i think i can play in 30fps,because It is not like ff16,that game was more faster combat,this game is more tatic combat you have to use the comands and materia not just press Square,performance mod look blurry and bad in this game.

@@LucasCamargo827I prefer 30fps over 60fps where the graphics lose all depth, generally speaking

haha that's too true

Didn’t you play Remake at 30 at first?

If they would add in some better motion blur to graphics mode, I’d have no problem with it. Graphics mode right now though is pretty choppy

On my oled tv with vrr 30fps are smooth asf

FF16's challenges felt impossible in 30FPS. I switched to 60FPS and I completed them instantly with ease. I'll wait for a PC release for this one personally!

If they would just add a uncapped or 40fps mode it would make things better. If I remember right FFXVI had an uncapped framerate option

Hopes as well😢

keep hoping, I'll be playing in native 4k

​@@AidenR23 oh lord , you are so much better than everyone here in the comments. Praise you and your native 4k, we shall all kneel befor you, because you are the chosen one

@@AidenR23Looking at your other comments, why are you reminding everyone of your greatness? King, we have not forgotten your superiority. Shine your 4k native from the heavens in Aiden we praise, amen 🙏🏻

​@@AidenR23on ps5👀😂

It's Square Enix they pretty much never fix visual issues, forspoken was an outlier.

@@HanzoSlash19 True but Square Enix doesn't have anything bigger than FF7. FF7 is their biggest franchise by far, it's their golden goose. They'll work to fix it..

But this is a UE4 game. And again, it's Square Enix. I don't think it's a good idea to buy at full price if you expect patches like this; they might never happen. FF16 performance mode (different engine) is still awful.

PlayStation studios are awesome Japanese studios particularly SE would never offer fully polished visual modes especially performance. Did you see how bad the performance mode was in FFXVI?

Nope square won’t be bothered

This. Loading times in the game are pretty bad, especially compared to FF7 Remake on the PS5.

Because FF7 remake for PS5 is still a PS4 game at heart, and the PS5 just blows through that game. With rebirth, its nowhere near the same thing.

@@Bahamut3525 FF16 and Forspoken (I got it for $10🤷‍♂️) both load much faster. Every other PS5 exclusive I have loads much faster. Even the majority of 3rd party games load much faster. And it's weird. It's at a point that doesn't require much loading. It takes about 30 seconds to load between rounds in Chadley's battle simulator. It shouldn't because the only assets being swapped are the enemies. Loading from the title screen to the open world of Junon takes 10 seconds, so it makes no sense why swapping enemies would take 30 seconds. It just seems like poor optimization like the door that never loads in ff7remake for the PS4

FF16 for all its faults is a masterpiece of engineering, they made their ambitions not too large and delivered on a well designed game. That's what CBU3 does. FF7 Rebirth is way bigger in scope and pushes things to the limit with many more problems;@oKingdom

@@Bahamut3525 did you not read the 2nd part of my comment??? It takes 10 seconds to load from the title screen to Junon but takes 30 seconds to load between rounds in Chadley's battle simulator. Not going to Chadley, not loading up the first battle but only between rounds. Everything else is 10 seconds or less. Fast travel between Junon less than 5 seconds. Opening menus 1 second. Etc. It's an optimization issue. Like Oliver mentioned in this tech review, FF7REBIRTH is an Unreal Engine 4 game like Remake was. The thing about Unreal Engine games is that they've been known to have poor asset streaming unless the games are optimized. It's why Cloud's door never loaded up the high quality texture in the PS4 version of FF7REMAKE. Or why in so many games during the PS360 era during cutscenes high quality textures would load during the middle of cutscenes. FF16 pushed the PS5 harder than ff7rebirth. It doesn't have RT features like FF16 or Forspoken, which have RT shadows, which pushes the PS5 more since RDNA 2 has weak ray tracing. It's also why FF7Rebirth can have a stable 60fps in performance mode, while in FF16's performance mode fluctuates between 45 and 60fps.

Have you seen him slide down a ladder ROFL

I love it. They couldn't think of a way to have him ride one without it looking goofy so they just embraced it. Same with his animation for climbing ladders lol. Saw someone that doesn't care for it (fair enough) saying they would have preferred if Red ran along side the party instead. But then someone pointed out that obviously wouldn't work for the flying/gliding Chocobos.

DF called it a few years ago, next gen exclusives are going to start being 30 FPS a lot more. Kinda funny when people think GTA 6 is gonna be 60FPS

I don't think we'll ever leave it given how it's easier for developers to target 30FPS while pushing visual boundaries (which also makes for good marketing material).

​@@KingRahG half of next gen games will be 30fps only most ue5 games gta vi dd2 but ps5 exclusives will have 60fps options

@@KingRahG Well... give it time on PC & someone will assuredly reverse engineer something so that PC users can get the most out of our hard-ware. We'll be alroight.

@@xtr.7662 spot on

The release version with day one patch seems very very very slightly more clean. But in game Cloud model is still not on the lvl like in Remake in terms of looking res and detail. We have a different gen and PS5 is so much better than a PS4 Pro is. It should have at least have image quality like the remake in performance even though it's larger scale.

Its a PS4 game, unreal was terrible choice, all games performs awfull, that garbabe tech needs to dui

unreal 4, nanite and tssr would solve all the games issues instantly@@noobdebusca1757

Dude, can you imagine 3dfx seeing Nvidia’s 2 trillion valuation? They were the bomb back then with their SLI solutions. Intel and AMD must be wondering how they ended up small potatoes now.

Yeah I noticed that in both demos. Some of the same low res texture popping like remake. Good old UE4.

They won't. Too big game and too little time. More bigger fixes will take time, as performance would need to be tested across the whole expansive game. I'm curious if demo fix will be even applied to full game at release.

FF16 still looks like shyt.

@@mosthated8848 FF16 has nothing to do with FF7R bro. xD

🤣

@@mosthated8848oh yes, let's throw in a game with a completely different graphics engine lmao

I bet they will use that to force people to get a ps5 pro

Would be nice. I noticed the same old texture pop-in and other weird texture glitching that was in FF7 Remake as well.

@@sean8102 It's baffling because the pop in and low res texture glitches were gone and fixed in the PS5 version of remake. Maybe it's got something to do with the open world this time?

The game doesn’t care about your screen resolution. It will just use the designed resolution on each mode (performance/quality) regardless of your image output… that’s something that it is completely out of our control on consoles. In other words, no performance gain if your screen has lower resolutions.

what yuriloki said The game will render internally at a predesignated resolution and then scale the image to your output resolution (what you set your TV to); so that means literally 0 performance impact by changing the output resolution.

ikr, it's super immersion breaking. Same with grass and other flora not reacting to party members movement.

​@@danielbaggins7341yeah I love when games actually have them walk down each stair instead of just gliding over everything with a generic run animation

@arano1118Yeah. Like Rockstars games RAGE engine has for example. I believe the feature is called inverse kinematics

@@sean8102 yup I was thinking about red dead 2 actually. Their physics are so engaging

Yeah that has more do with the physics engine that the developer uses. Sometimes they don’t have their own advanced engine or they use a last-gen one

Even FSR1 would be way more preferable than the nearest neighbor upscaling they're using now....

Gotta love how non-developers think they know the simple solution, just by watching some analysis breakdown videos 🤣

@@dennissepulveda6118 These upscaling methods come with UE4 as plugins (it's as easy as turning on a switch) and Square made the performance mode worse by switching from a bilinear upscale to nearest neighbor upscale.

Oh god FSR 1 is horrible.

@@sd19delta16 Oh god, FSR 1 is so awful. But I figured they were using at least FSR 2 for rebirth. But they aren't using it at all?! That's so weird.

Could you kindly explain why the first option would be preferred?

Except they didn’t get the engine/tech ready. There are still loading elevators and other “environmental loading” segments that make the world feel disjointed. In fact it seems like they didn’t fix any of the technical problems remake had.

@@COOLFRIENDNo

@@COOLFRIEND But they've shipped another part, much bigger game than previous one, in less than 4 years.

@@COOLFRIEND Completely agree, 1st two remakes just feel like lazy cash-ins. All the real ff7 fans know that the original can never be replaced.

​@@hostileenvironment6107If they were just "lazy cashins" they'd just make a 1 to 1 remake with updated visuals and voice acting and be done with it. Say what you will about the direction they're going with the story but you can't deny they at least put a lot of passion into this project

Are you watching in 4k? People watching 4k YT videos on 1080p screens happens a lot .

I'm on a 4k oled. it does look noticeably worse in some scenes, especially the foliage shot. Think I'll wait this one out for when it comes to PC in a year...

​@@TheWitch297most likely 2-3 years but yeah i'll do the same ... I wanted to play it now but i'll definetly wait for the PC port

The blur seems the same, but there's added pixelation. It's not even nearest neighbor scaling, which normally does make the image look much sharper at the cost of increased pixelation. I don't know what it is we're seeing here. Just Japanese magic.

@@alexanderluna1845 2 maybe. 3? nah. hey are porting games over much faster these days...

@@RicochetForcedid it get fixed in the 1st one?

​@@FFx16459first one runs good, i just disabled dynamic res so it doesnt look blurry at 4k 120hz LG C2

And what makes you think were getting a pc version at all? The only final fantasy confirmed to be having a pc port in the works is FFXVI.

​@zeedude8026 we will, it will def be some time after May.

because it's obvious and Sony is wanting to push more into the PC market@@zeedude8026

Sure, but it wouldn't have been practical to upskill all the devs to work with another engine and get it out on time. Plus, Square Enix clearly has some sort of arrangement with Epic so that's out.

@@agromchung I see - anyway i preordered the game and for shure will enjoy it on PS5. For me, the demo (pre patch) was graphicswise a litte bummer, but fighting, the music and so on is still amazing and gives me a immersive feeling for the world.

The reason why devs go with a specific engine has mostly to do with cost and the time it takes for their engineers to get familiar with the development environment. This is why unreal engine is so popular is because it’s easy to hire people that already are familiar with the development environment.

Well the next game we will see that uses the Decima engine is either Death Stranding 2 or Horizon 3. Changing toi a comple unrelated Engine would take way more time and we wouild look at a 2026 release for Rebirth at the earliest. They didn't even Switch to UE5 since it itself was still to early in it's lifetime when the work for Rebirth began. Part 3 whatever name it will have will certainly be a UE5 game but that is a late 2027 or rather 2028 game anyway.

Kannst auch auf Deutsch schreiben...

How does this even work? 40 Hz is just slightly less choppy than 30 Hz, A 60 Hz monitor can do 40 Hz just fine and it'll feel the same as a 120 Hz one. Unless you're talking about some frame interpolation stuff that some TVs have.

​@@ShiroNoFunea 60hz monitor cant do 40 just fine as its not a division of 60, 40 is a division of 120 tho. WIth VRR/ freesync 40 could be done on a 60hz monitor though

Exactement !!! On veut un mode 40 fps pour tous les jeux !!! Sinon pourquoi nous vendre des TV OLED et QD-OLED à 3000€ ???

I love me my 40fps modes🙏

@@ShiroNoFune40fps is exactly half way between 30fps and 60fps. 30fps= 33.3ms 60fps= 16.6ms 40fps= 25ms it ends up feeling a lot more smooth and responsive and 30fps plus the game has way more miliseconds for making a high quality image. It's a fantastic compromise between the 2 modes and in practice getting most/all of the benefits of Graphics mode but with better smoothness.

No honestly because unreal engine 5 is just as bad if not worse for these consoles.

Guys Batman Arkham Knight was built on UE4 and it ran better than this on consoles…

​@@tdspkhype3042nope, Arkham Knight was built with a customized version of UE3 by the developers

Square is already bad at handling UE4 which is a last gen engine, with UE5 they would probably enable Nanite/Lumen and the game would run at 540~720p instead.

@@marcelosoares7148 No, a simple search would prove what you said wrong. But it was UE3 so I was wrong there. Not customised though

yeah... you would really think, but idk whatever build or crazy cracked up version of UE4 they're using/made at this point but hopefully no future projects will be made on it, not unless they do some wild improvements to it, which aside from being able to actually handle massive areas and amount of people on screen at one time, it doesnt seem to have been improved in other ways to handle its textures and resolution stuff any better than before

yeah, going back to Remakes performance mode it was a night and day difference. Feels really bad getting this image quality reduction in a sequel

Bigger scale does kill performance more than you'd think. This case seems similar to Plague Tale Innocence and Requiem.

@@speedforce8970 there are way bigger open world games with better graphics and resolution so its just technical incompetence by square enix

They did the same last year with Tears of the Kingdom

Because gameplay is king. Also tokt came out on 10yo hardware. No one should be surprised that it wouldn't be able to run at 60 lol.@@stijnvonck1431

because they know if they do talk about it the review the review would be out of date in the future so they focus on the stuff that will stay the same

Agreed

It's true that graphics aren't the most important thing, but these graphics aren't even that bad. DF has to pick on the the most minute details because that's their thing, and the game isn't even out yet, so we don't know what the graphics will be like post patch.

and it had great motion blur. it was bearable to play it in 30fps mode. ff7rebirth doesn't have a quality motion blur. Played the demo and it feels like a fan project :(

Seems like most of the issues just come from the game being open world now. Not too much of an issue based on all these reviews tho

If you don’t consider playing at 720p low res, then I don’t know what is. At least in performance mode FFXVI is one big smearing. FFVII looks a bit better but it’s just that ps5 cannot keep up anymore. I enjoy FFVII, though.

And it came at the cost of a very low resolution and bad performance. So I wouldn't say FFXVI is a high flyer in the graphics department either. I like FF7Remake still the most, good quality graphics combined with good performance.

Yes but XVI is a minigame compared to Rebirth

It was like you said. Fast development + bigger scope of the game (open environments in comparison to small ones in Remake) and you have the answer why performance mode looks considerably worse than Remake. It's a bit dissapointing but it is what it is, i rather play the game faster than wait another few months until the optimize ione graphic mode for PS5. Those who are bothered can always wait for probable fixes for performance mode, wait for PS5 Pro version or PC one, or just play 30 fps (it looks quite good).

It is 150GB. And its more openworld than remake. Imma have to blame technology on this one. Optimation sucks yes but do you play for performance or story.

It's the same reason why FFX looks better than ff12. 12 is a much bigger world while 10 is mostly linear

@@rafamuniak I'll still never get over how the PC port of remake released with forced dynamic res scaling and no way to disable it without modding. Square does not give a flying fuck about releasing an optimized product.

@@jaydenhixon3713 story is mainly what Im interested in, but this the first game on ps5 which looks so blurry on perfromance that in uncomfortable to watch and 30 fps for an action rpg is no way to go as well :D im actually considering to wait for a patch or ps5pro. Same like you dont want to watch a blockbuster movie on a laptop, same I can wait to experience this masterpiece in the most optimal way

It's funny because people complained about the motion blur on FF16, now people want motion blur in FF7 Rebirth. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I do agree that a camera motion blur would be nice though.

​@@apoclypse Just giving everyone a simple toggle should be easy no?

I can get behind that lol.

This is why consoles suck u can't choose how u want to play unless the deve give u that choice and even then it isn't gonna be that great and only give u 2 or 3 pre made options. More games need to come to pc and more people should leave console for pc, it's just way more consumer friendly.

​@@PulseOfMe Nice and all but 4K monitors are fucking expensive compared to 4K TV's. And with AMD still behind NVIDIA can just dictate the prices. A 80 series was 1200 at launch that was a 500-600 bucks card back in the day. And even with inflation a 80 card shouldn't cost more than 800. So a complete setup to run all games in 4K 60 with DLSS would still cost you a good amount over 2000. I hasve my PC and I love it and prefer it over the consoles but at that pricepoint I have spend on it I could have bought 10 PS5. The monitor alone was 1500....

"this is why consoles suck" > my PC cost £1500 > My PS5 cost me less than £400 Do the math big man. Consoles are fine and have their place.@@PulseOfMe

I really don’t understand why 40fps modes haven’t become standard

@@teddyholiday8038 Because 120hz TVs aren't a standard.

@@ShyChapter i know, i didnt mean two different games, i meant 3rd/final game, im gonna correct it.

I mean to be fair a few changes to some .ini files would fix the visual problems with performance mode in UE4 -- if those visual problems are in fact due to post-processing -- but Square can't even manage that. So who's to say a move to UE5 would actually solve anything?

Which is smart on their part. Porting is a long and complicated process, especially when you already have a lot of your game built from previous entries. It just doesn't make business sense to risk porting the team to UE5.

its mostly because those tools from UE5 fix things almost automatically, calculating bounce lighting and geometric detail with lumen.@@alexanderkhan9097

Unreal engine 5 and Unreal engine 4 are basically the same, but UE5 has much better performance that Unreal engine 4 with the same graphics, but of course updating code from Unreal engine 4 to unreal engine 5 is very problematic, and can delay development so much, maybe months, I had problems with a project cos code is broken when update to Unreal engine 5

Rebirth is 100x bigger or more lol, its much harder to stay at a higher resolution in a very high density open world vs the the hallways of Midgar.

Bigger open world vs self contained world in midgar.

PC port from 2021 was awful and it had forced dynamic resolution. 4K 120 fps? You better have 4090

Guess you’ve never heard of UE4 stutter It will be a stutterfest on PC

​@@Radek494of course. Every PC player uses a 4090.

Rough as hell? Man gamers have become so spoilt these days... Maintaining 4k most of the time at a constant 30fps is not only perfectly fine, but my recommended way of playing this game outside of a couple of response based minigames, which I'll be toggling for.

Played through remake on ps4 and pc and the pc version ran and looked 10x better.

I thought TSR was added to UE5. On Epics documentation it says that TSR works by: "It does this by rendering lower internal resolution than what Temporal Anti-Aliasing Upsampling (TAAU) in Unreal Engine 4 could do". I thought that implied that TAAU was a feature of UE4 and TSR a feature of UE5. Could they have backported that feature into UE4? Genuinely asking.

Japanese devs are usually behind in this regard

The Japanese are very foolish, it costs them a lot...so much to change their way of working, there you have Fromsoftware using the same archaic Engine for decades, the Tales Of series took years to change to EU and they finally did it with Tales of Arise, their "traditional" nature limits them.

Actually now they're doing TAA + nearest neighbor scaling which is worse than bilinear scaling. They made the performance mode look worse, I honestly couldn't believe it when I loaded up the new patch. FSR 1 at this point would be a massive improvement to the performance mode's visual clarity (though I'm holding out hope for FSR 2 / TSR / TAAU).

@@sd19delta16 Good lord. I thought they were using FSR 1 because of how blurry it is. But nearest neighbor and BILINEAR SCALLING wow!

This may be because your TV is doing additional upscaling (with a smoother scaler) to reach 4K after the game does nearest-neighbor upscaling to 1440p?

I'll have to try this. But doesn't the PS5 1440p mode disable VRR?

@@nlikeflynn8837 VRR still works but no point. I just tried it and is still blurry lol.

@@nlikeflynn8837 1440p VRR works on PS5

thats the consoles issue not squares

What else u expect from console gaming?😅

Nope... SE will release on pc when the ps5 version is done meaning patches and dlc so pc will get the complete edition. Same with FF16.

And don't know if you still alive or not in a year for wait this come to pc🤣

then complain when its not optimised

@@raffimohd6387 it’s coming out in two months on PC

Supposed to be between 1080 and 1440, but the resolution doesn't seem to be the issue here, post-processing is terrible.

I wish I saw this a month ago instead of almost quitting the game 😢

The FF7 demake looked fucking terrible for a 2020's AAA game.

How? Easy, it's a PS4 game..whats there to wonder?

it was 1080p at 30fps man

and it looked better than rebirth in performance mode on a ps5 which is what, 6 times the gpu compute capabilites?@@Pit_1209

@@jezuschrystus5113 I wouldn't say it looked better. I played when it came out, 4k was not a thing and the standard 1080p was good enough. Now that I've played 4k and 120fps games I wouldn't accept that quality but comparing apples to apples rebirth looks better and it's a very big and dense open world game. If you play it at quality it shows and because of very good frame pacing its not that bad honestly.

But is it a better game? Not for me, still love it. Horizon might be the front runner for most beautiful game

but it should be both...

​@@joefawley9264How do you know? You've never played Rebirth. You just played a demo.

I think the point is that most upcoming games are not using the full potential of PS5 and Series X. If a cross gen like Forbidden West can look better than a game released in 2024, something is not right. @@joefawley9264

​@@antonytomas1 there's no way Forbidden West is gonna be better than Rebirth. Forbidden West is just a expensive ubisoft game full of map markers and fetch quests

They already said they aren't doing DLC for this one. Update for PS6 could happen though.

The hell is retrotink and amazing picture ?

@@thebrigade7684retrotink is prolly just some upscaler type device, and I think saying amazing picture was to note the follow up results of using it, but idk lol

Looks like you know more than them. They should hire you

@@CJP.-pq3kr looks like you lack basic knowledge about unreal. If they don't use it for developement they woulld not know too. Any other problems random internet dude ?

@@gst9325 - I was complimenting you and this is your response? See a therapist. You have issues. Mental issues.

LOL

enjoy getting another horrendous pc port then because remakes pc port was terrible and barebones

@@coreypasternak9435its pretty fine actually, much better than playing on ps5

@@ThisisCitrus i have a good PC and FF7 Remake is full of stutters. On the other hand, I played it smooth on PS5, very high resolution and at 60fps

yeah i had no issues once turning off dynamic res @@ThisisCitrus

@@payphone151 no stutters on my old 3090 or new 4090. Sounds like a system issue.

Really? I’ll give it a go

Hmmm are you sure about that?

no, ur coping

@@dante19890 Nope, Digital Foundry themselves also did testing a few days ago and can see a slight improvement when setting it to 1440p.

@@mrforzum875 I tried it myself and there is not much difference at all, if any. Its not a fix

John's video is going to be epic.

What’s he cooking? 🤔

@solidsnake497 if you think about it, this is likely the very best the industry can do at this point in the consoles timeline. Graphically this is the bar for a much larger scope AAA title. At leat until we get pro variations if they are coming!

@@ryanrdlpsbro it looks worse than RDR2 or Cyberpunk both having been released 1 billion years ago and old gen. Add to it Death Stranding 1 and Horizon Forbidden West.

@ciprianrobo Not sure if you have played the original title but Act 2 is insane and incredibly huge in terms of locations and content. What you've seen as the playable space only scratches the surface. This title graphically is likely to be that bar in the industry for quite some time.

Same here. Was so happy the first time I saw that "not available on other formats until at least 05-29-2024" at the end of one of the trailers.

Yeah epic games store, with another busted port, here we go again!

It’s UE4, the game will stutter on PC

Pc version was plagued with issues

who is we? keep waiting bub, I'm playing day one in native 4k

@@-T--T- if imagine it works again since these games don’t really utilize DX12 features

you don't actually think it'll be running native 4k all the time right?@@AidenR23

I think we can maybe expect some improvements if they implement fsr2, but I wouldn't wait for it to play the game if you've got a 1080p-1440p display play in performance, otherwise stay with graphics mode.

series s is a wonderful experience

@@wizzenberry im not on nvidia copium, I dont like the company but rn dlss is the best in the market for visual quality. I also dont really care if they ran out of time lmao if square gave enough of a shit theyd delay the game rather than "maybe" release an improvement at some point. The fact is that the ps5 just doesnt have the capability to raytrace at 60fps at above 1080p, which was like the whole reason for a generation upgrade, so yeah waiting is the best move rn

And 30fps can look great too if you do a good work. I played Spiderman 2 at 30fps and I actually didn't feel that much of a difference because the feeling and the motion blur were amazing.

Maybe not competitive fighting games and first person shooters, but all other games can be played just fine on 30/40 fps

No, this is not it. The PS5 has hardware to allow 60 FPS on pretty much any game. What we need is developers doing different stuff other than just "yeah let's just lower the res until we hit 60 FPS". Lowering details, shadow resolution, maybe disabling Ray Tracing effects entirely. This is the way. Not to mention 30 FPS at this point in time is basically unplayable for anyone used to playing at 60-120 FPS.

@@ShiroNoFune that's why every performance video needs to display the fps on screen, i'm pretty sure you can't tell the difference between 40 and 60 if it not displayed

@@stijnvonck1431 I can tell the difference between 60 and 100. Of course I can tell the difference between 40 and 60, lol.