Find Her - Dess Holiday Revisited | Deltarune Theory Analysis 

Wanted to get a video out on this after my first Dess video performed so well! It only felt right to do a followup. I do have a larger video w/ my Sweepstakes reactions on the way, but editing and captions are gonna take a bit. I plan on bringing more IF music here, too, but I just need to figure out how to schedule it between video essays. My Patreon: patreon.com/dorked My Ko-Fi: ko-fi.com/invertedfate More Analysis Content: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4VfHhBh1c8c.html More Deltarune Theories: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KueHgAZcV00.html Inverted Fate: invertedfate.com/chapters Mother 3 Footage by Blazenton: ru-vid.com/show-UCsrX3TzPUp05eruJvNrzMmA Mayor Holiday Art by yBlookynho: www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/te718w/speaking_of_communion_kris_did_you_know_that_the/ Cyber City footage by RainyD

I like how you say “In the Aftermath of the Spamton Sweepsstakes” like it was a nuclear fallout or something

The idea that Kris might play the piano automatically as a means to pull themself out of a traumatic episode actually makes sense, given how embarrassed they seem to be when they realize they are being watched and how frequently they do so when at Noelle’s. Being Dess’s sister, it could be hard for them to look at her without seeing Dess, especially if they are unable to tell her what happened. Which makes it worse when we force them to play in Ch. 1&2 and they are unable to make cohesive music.

If Dess turns out to be the knight I think it'd be cool if the sharp object she used to open up the fountains was one of her shedded antlers

The more that we learn about Dess, the more confident I feel about the notion that she is the Knight. The way that her mystery has been woven into the main plot seems like the perfect set up for such a major reveal.

This is not a theory, more something that I noticed. There's actually 3 cases of "lost siblings" in deltarune one way or another: Dess - we have the clear example, she is the one that's literally lost. Asriel - In a way he's lost from the picture, at being at college, if you think about it he also has disappear, even if we do know where he is, he still isn't here. And the we have the meta example Papyrus - He isn't in the game, he is the only Undertale character that's been messing (well he and Asriel). It just feels like toby is doing a parallel with this 3 characters. Like how everyone seen like messing and remember Asriel, but people act like they don't wanna remember Dess? Or how there's some evidence or clues of maybe the three of them being, having or going into the dark world. What does all of this mean? No clue! 🤸 But I think is something. P.S: Sorry if I misspelled something, I'm not a English speaker

so i guess you could say that after her sister’s vanishing, Noelle was full of… Dess-pair?

My theory has not changed as of yet: Dess isn't the Knight, and is trapped in the bunker. However, she might still be able to communicate in the Bunker somehow...there may have been a Dark World in the Bunker at some point, where Dess managed to contact somebody at last to help her...Spamton. No doubt the deal was helping him to get her out. But somehow, the connection was cut...using two pieces of info, the garbage noise and Onionsan's song, here's what I think happened: Someone closed the Bunker Fountain, causing Spamton to lose contact with her since you can't call anyone between worlds it seems. That's why Onionsan is only now hearing the song: it wasn't there for the longest time. This closing required Dess to find help in the Light World...and possibly managing to contact the Knight. (Could be anyone in Hometown, no candidate would be able to just ignore this...) kickstarting the events of the game.

I think Queen is a metaphor for Noelle’s mother, I don’t think she’s a bad mother, just struggles to connect emotionally

Imagine if if turns out that Rudy is the knight all along and he's in the hospital as a cover up lol

Dess being the knight is something I've been thinking about for a while now. With the possibility of Noelle being/becoming the angel,I've thought the angels heaven is Dess trying to create the ideal world for her sister,either not knowing or not caring about the consequences that could come from opening too many dark fountains. Maybe she does know,and thats why we've only had one extra being opened at a time. I've also been thinking about how Spamton and Queen both tried helping Noelle in their own twisted ways and didn't actually take into account what Noelle actually wanted. It could be Dess is doing the same thing,or maybe since she is her sister she actually does know what Noelle wants. Another thought I've had is,If Dess actually is the knight and created the dark worlds,is it possible she made the cyber world specifically to help make Noelle more confident like we see happen because of Queen? I've also thought it could be possible she made the card kingdom world specifically to make Susie less of a bully because she knows of Noelle's crush on her. That part has tons of holes,though. This is a bit of a ramble,just wanted to get this all out there.

One thing Im afraid of is that were gonna run in to Dess in a future Chapter, but Toby will have introduced something like "A Lightner who stays in a Dark World for too long will turn in to a Darkner, thus making a return to the Light World impossible." Probably not going to happen, but its something that I thought of while listening to findher.ogg a few months ago.

I'm honestly kind of surprised how likely Dess being locked in the bunker is, I thought it was a bit too out there at first. I do wonder why no investigations haven't been performed on the bunker unless Kris said nothing. Also I hope we get to see more of Dess like her former self instead of it only being her corrupted(?) self.

The bunker theory was more or less the conclusion I came to after the Sweepstakes as well. I also have a theory that ties the bunker in with Kris and their weird situation with the player and their SOUL. Basically, Kris and Dess entered the bunker together, and both had some kind of encounter with Gaster (as evidenced by the slowed-down Entry 17 noises heard there). The encounter resulted in Dess becoming trapped in the code, and Kris having their SOUL taken by Gaster, who then experimented on it to make it into a connection point for the player. Kris's weird and creepy behavior prior to the game could be a symptom of their soullessness, and them freezing up and rushing to the piano when hanging out with Noelle, in addition to just remembering trauma (though that could also be part of it), could be them venting their frustration at being unable to emotionally connect to Noelle they way they could with their SOUL in place. The piano could be one of the few remaining sources of comfort for them, and perhaps Asriel is the only person they still feel comfortable talking with, as he might be the only one who knows what really happened. Based on the similarities between Chara's speech patterns and those of the second speaker in Deltarune's opening in the Japanese translation, I believe that it was Kris (the Deltarune world's version of Chara) interrupting Gaster and putting their/the player's SOUL into their own body rather than the vessel you created. In the context of Kris being soulless for years before then thanks to Gaster, this would essentially be them going, "no, fuck you, that's my SOUL, you're not putting it in some random greyscale hodgepodge, give it back." And it's only once their SOUL is back in place that they're able to connect with people again, quickly befriending Susie and reconnecting with Noelle in the first two chapters. I believe that they put their SOUL back after taking it out not because they necessarily need it to survive, but because they absolutely do not want to go back to being unable to feel love again, even if it means letting the player puppet them around. I still give Kris at least a 50% chance of being the Knight, just due to the Occam's Razor logic of them being the only one to create a Fountain onscreen (as well as the clearly premeditated nature of said Fountain, and the general conspiratorial vibes I got between them and Ralsei regarding the Cyber World Fountain, though that's a whole other wildly speculative can of worms), and I agree with you that if they are the Knight, then their initial motivation was likely to study the Fountains as a means to find and save Dess, and/or get revenge on Gaster for what happened to both of them. As for Dess being the Knight... While the Mother 3 connection is certainly intriguing, I find it hard to believe that Dess is both the Knight and the voice in the code, for the reasons you discussed in the video. And of those two, I find her being the voice in the code far more likely, just due to the fake 404 page giving off those kinds of vibes. Besides Kris, the only Knight candidates that really make sense to me are Father Alvin (due to Gerson's status as a renowned storyteller, the metaphorical links between Dark Worlds and fiction, and Alvin seemingly wanting Gerson to be proud of him), and Mrs. Holiday (mostly just due to the repetition of the arc word "cold" in relation to both her and the Roaring). But the brainwashed sibling villain reveal was certainly powerful when Mother 3 did it, and I can absolutely see Toby doing something cool with it too. That was all a bunch of highly speculative rambling that will fall to pieces the moment the next chapter releases, but hopefully it made at least some kind of sense. If you took the time to read all this, Dorked, I wanted to take the time to congratulate you on successfully dragging me back into Undertale AU hell with the power of Inverted Fate's sheer quality. I read through the whole thing last week, and it's absolutely incredible. The delivery format on the website is genius; I probably wouldn't have been nearly as invested if the soundtrack wasn't dynamically integrated into the comic format. Kudos to you and everyone else who worked on it, and I can't wait for the conclusion!

The thought just occurred to me that perhaps Dess could have disappeared in the closing of a dark world. If she remained in a dark world during its closing, then she could possibly end up trapped within as an item in the light world, turning a Lightner into a Darkner. If this was the case, that would explain why Noelle knows how to use ice magic but doesn't understand basic combat, and why Kris is afraid of the Dark world in chapter 1 but continues to create Dark Fountains after this point to search for Dess.

we haven't even met dess but shes already my favorite character.

My headcannon voice for Spamton is that he talks and sounds like a used car salesman (80s maybe?) but when the text is in brackets the voice abruptly goes for a monotone robot voice and just as abruptly goes back to normal after the brackets, also the symbol swearing is just a censor bleep

Something unrelated to Dess, but I'm still wondering about the Ice-E box winking, I think you might had mentioned it in the Deltacast, it could easily be Noelle imagination but I wonder if it did indeed move. Dess believed her sister, it wasn't like she was playing along or anything like that, she really believed her, because no one would go to a graveyard to bury a cardboard box. Then again they are teens and they sometimes do dumb stuff like this. But in any case, I want to bring it up because is a thing that happens when is really dark, objects seem to look like they are moving or that they take the shape of something else. In real life is just a thing of the mind, playing tricks because you cannot tell what you are seeing, but in here I think it might be how Darkness might communicate with the Light World, because is in the dark where they take form, this is why they're an actual person in the Dark World, the darkness might be giving them life while the light is making them look like ordinary objects.

Honestly I'm a big fan of the theory that Dess is the knight, or at least in some way connected to the knight. There so many interesting narrative and thematic possibilities at play.

This may not be necessarily related to her disappearance in the long term, but I'm curious how much of the Sweepstakes' content was premade. Chapter 1 had plenty of explanations for its scenes and characters, but nothing like the almost room by room stories 2 has developed (such as Ice-E winking and the "sighting", all the cats and Cat Petterz, cars with legs and Cat Petterz... again). Was everything we saw part of the story from the beginning, or were some details added/affirmed after Spamton gained his popularity and provided more incentive to put thoughts in writing? Did traits like Kris's coolness or Dess's fierceness become emboldened only as a result?

I can’t wait for more deltarune chapters to be released! It seems that the more and more it goes on the better and even sadder it gets. I also really wanna know if we (the player) finally get our vessel instead of involuntary possessing Kris. I’m also glad that ever since Deltarune got released the Undertale fandom got less toxic which is a win-win for me since I love both deltarune and undertale deeply

Smth came into my mind is that Dess is the Angel,working as an equivalent to UT Asriel. It really doesn't have any proof other than obvious connections to Noelle but I find it neat,specially combined with my favorite DR theory Knight-pyrus.

my theory has been that Asriel, Noelle, Dess, & Kris went out to explore & then Noelle & Asriel bailed bc they were scared. but Dess & Kris went on. they went inside, & smth took Dess & trapped her in the code of their reality. Kris knows what's in there & they can't even say what they saw. Asgore fails to find Dess & so the Mayor kicks him off the force. Toriel & Asgore were already tense before that, but getting kicked off the force & this whole investigation going terribly rly tipped it & they got divorced. years have gone by & Kris still hasn't said anything. i personally think that Kris definitely knows way more about what's happening to them & it's obvious they have their own motives.

NICE. Dess being the Knight is an interesting theory, and one that I haven't really considered before... I'm not sure how i feel about the theory, but it would certainly explain a lot. No matter what, this was an amazing video.

This is super interesting, raised some curious points. Awesome job Dorked! Can’t wait to see how these theories turn out, and Inverted Fate as well!

Yet another Dorked theory video banger Soup was here.

Dess as a character in Deltarune is hard to pinpoint. I for sure feel like she will be an integral part to Noelle's future character arc, regardless of Snowgrave or not. But most of the information we find about Dess is outside the game itself. Like the loose text strings in the game files or the pages on Spamton Sweepstakes. That makes me wonder what we will come to find out about Dess in game when the time comes. For the most part there's some scattered info about her from Noelle and Rudy, but not much more. There is also the possibility of the strange Spamton dialogue in his shop of "... can anyone hear me? Help..." being from Dess. It seems REALLY spontaneous and out of character even for Spamton to just blurt that out. But that does open up to the possibility of Dess being able to take control over some of the darkeners. Even when not being present in their Darkworld. Could that mean something similar with Gaster happened to Dess where she's scattered across time and space, but only for the darkworlds? Where pieces of her suddenly make contact with a Darkworld and she's able to puppet a darkner, even for a small moment. I'll sure say, there is a lot you could speculate about Dess, and I'll be looking forward to what Toby has in store.

Personally I stuck with Mayor Holiday being the Knight, opening Dark Worlds to search for her missing daughter, with Dess being trapped in a Dark World. But Dess Knight is also a really cool theory, especially with Noelle as the Angel in mind! Anyway, I really liked this one, and look forward to that Terra analysis (people often just boil him down to "naive hunk who serves as the main antagonist's vessel who would trust absolutely anyone, but there's more to him).

There are a lot of potential "strings" tying a lot of characters together... The person lost in the "strings" of code. Gaster, or us, pulling the strings on events/characters to control them. Spamton's puppet parallel of making the phones ring by being an obedient puppet, letting the strings pull his actions. If you try to equip the Puppet Scarf to Noelle, she says it feels like guitar strings, & if you take her to Spamton's closed shop, she starts off nervous, but then smiles & says it feels nostalgic. Dess is associated with a guitar, & the "FindHer" music piece. & how do you play guitar? You pull the strings & make them ring. :O I'm wondering if one of the most complete endings will involve a musical medley. With Kris playing the piano, Dess playing guitar, Asriel adding vocals (since Father Alvin says that he was a major singer in choir), & maybe Onion-san singing the Old Song From the Sea (which may or may not layer with, or even be, "Dont' Forget"). I wonder if we'll discover other characters' instruments along the way... (And as a bonus, maybe The Original Starwalker will ring a bell, because it keeps away the birds that are pissing him off. ;3 And Queen will play her mixtape, & Lancer will play "Splat" noises, LOL!) ((Man, now I'm wondering if Toby's big reveal of something will be combining parts of all different pieces of music in each chapter into one big piece. I wouldn't put it past him~!))

Good to see someone talking about Dess! I feel like that's a mystery a lot of people don't talk about for someone so important. I feel like what happened to Dess involved a Dark World in the Bunker. If I remember correctly, Dess said she'd take Noelle to a place like the Dark World, which could imply knowledge of the Dark World. Dess being the Knight is also an interesting theory, though I don't think she's the Knight herself but I think she is connected to the Knight.

Big omori spoiler 4:03 the song that kris plays on the piano is very similar to omori ost 159-remina Which plays during the truth sequence of omori. This has some worrying implications.

Here is my personal theory on the textboxes and Asgore being fired. So, this is more about Ralsei because I've been trying to figure him out for a while especially with all the little details in chapter 2, and this is just my theory Ralsei was a young kid (also human), probably around 6-7 and was obsessed with the idea of new worlds and adventures. So he went to the police station after school to see what he could do. Then Asgore told him the prophecy, thinking of it as a joke and it wouldn't work. Ralsei got so excited he could barley sleep that night. The next day after school he went into the closet and made the first fountain, sending him to the castle town. He thought it was a bit lonley so he brought some of his favorite toys and games. His parents asked what he was doing so Ralsei brought them with him to show them what he had made. His parents thought it would just be a fun game of pretend but then they all jumped into castle town and everything came to life and Ralsei was SO HAPPY. Then, the roaring came. Ralsei didn't know about it. He hid in the castle, but when it was over....he had lost everything....His parents...his only friends.... And most importantly, he slowly started to lose his human form. After that he isolated himself in the castle for years until Kris and Susie came along. Then he realized, the prophecy was true. (I know there are a few gaps but please leave any questions! Id be more than happy to answer them!)

Nice video! I personally don't think that Dess is The Knight (I'm WAAAAY to dedicated to the idea of it being Alvin lol) but it's definitely made me reconsider her role in the story, which I didn't think too much of before beyond simply being a posthumous character

I think the person in the files is more likely to be The Vessel more than anything and seek's cool deltarune mod only convinced me further lol. I can see either Dess or the Mayor as The Knight.

Oh, I thought I was the only one who had thought about the possibility of Mayor Holiday being the knight xD. Tbh, I'm inclined to think Dess won't have an antagonistic role, instead i think Noelle will join the gang in future chapters and together they'll have to rescue her sister, revealing bits and pieces of Kris's backstory at the bunker in the process.

Great video as usual, and can’t wait for the Spamton Sweepstakes retrospective!

As for the text strings, i think an easy way for the text strings to be both dess, and for dess to be the knight, is to say the text strings arnt happening concurrently with the story, they're just an echo of what already transpired, perhaps the text is even her origin story so to speak. I mean think about it, she would have to been missing for years at this point, and only now she's asking for help? What the hell was she doing before then? Sleeping?

i wrote a mother 3 related comment under your video related to noelle's mother literally this morning and now i see it here. ik the video was made 8 months ago but still, it's amazing that you got that vibe too

Neat analysis video! Was very interesting! The support for the mayor as The Knight seems fairly persuasive. Dess being The Knight seems to be a little more up in the air, but in a narrative structure way, it could make sense! Thanks so much for uploading this!

I have a pet theory in my head that the song "Don't forget" will later be sung by a male singer [Gaster, Asriel, Ralsie, Asgore, Rudy, Father alvin, ect] somewhere in chapters 3-5, and eventually it will be sung as a duet between the male and female singers. This could symbolize the parental assurance of Toriel and Asgore to Kris, or the lost love between Dess and Asriel, or some other "greater than the some of its parts" revelation in the story. I partially get the idea from elsewhere in gaming [Spoilers ahead]. Bastion's "Setting sail, coming home" re-contextualizes 2 separate songs as part of a single duet between a mother and son. In "Want to be free" by sea power, which is featured in an altered way in the game "Disco Elysium", what first appears to be a solo is actually a duet with a female voice if you listen closely enough and you hear the female vocals isolated in a boat ride to the game's final area, and the motif is meant to symbolize the main character's lingering memories of his ex-wife. [Spoilers end] I also think the don't forget motif will appear in the final battle theme/sequence.

Just came across this, thanks so much for using my mother 3 content and crediting me for it 🙏

I'm not sure Dess would be the knight, I mean if she was walking around the town you'd think it would be a pretty big deal right, like somebody would notice? I mean MAYBE nobody would have noticed her, but given that the cyberworld fountain was opened during the day I think it would be very hard for Dess to avoid being seen. Though it is an interesting possibility, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it ended up being true.

so i decided to look into spamton sweepstakes myself before watching this all the way through because i wasnt there when it was actually going on, and listening to lost girl on the guitar page legitimately made me emotional. for some reason its giving me "dear little brother" vibes and im not about it 😭

I don't buy the "trap within the code". Deltarune seems to have a world more like ours so i think the quotes in the code are more for story telling than literal. I could be wrong. Anyway the Dess Knight theory ties up a lot of things together, and knowing Toby's love for Mother 3, i can definitely see it. But there is still a lot that isn't connected. Papyrus, Gerson, Ice-e, Gaster. Right now we don't have much but everything seems to be significant. Anyway intresting video! As a fan of KH i'm eager to see your Terra analysis. And i hope you'll do more KH in the future as Well!

Tbh the bunker being a dark world and Dess going missing there feels so- perfect It's woven perfectly into the story and also ties the darkworld as something Kris has already experienced and maybe hasn't connected the dots on yet, since they perhaps repressed many memories if it was that traumatic. I personally love the bunker dark world theory and will be kind of disappointed if it's not the case- since other Dess theories are usually less interesting and disconnected from the main story. Her being missing in a DARK WORLD would be such a perfect tie in as to why the police force failed to find her, why the bunker is locked, Kris' traumatic experience there, and Asgore being fired

I literally had the same idea a long time ago to make a video on how Dess is the knight because of the similarities from mother 3 like how Claus went missing just like Dess and so on, but I guess you beat me to it lol also heres something I realised, in mother 3 your goal is to pull needles, in deltarune your goal is to seal fountains, there are seven needles in mother 3, there are seven chapters in deltarune, which probably means seven fountains to seal

Your videos never disappoint! Also, Dess is a freaking awesome older sister. I can totally imagine her beating the crap out of Kris after they scare Noelle.

As someone who is a massive Mother 3 fan, I gotta say this theory was a wonderful surprise. I think I even see some parallels with Lucas and Kris specifically. Both are the younger sibling of their respective games, Both are for the majority of the time silent protagonists, Both are clearly dealing with stress in the lives. Yeah, I really like this theory! Can’t wait to see more videos! :D.

Definitely one of the more convincing knight theories out there, it would be a really neat way of tying up all the loose threads and mysteries the game has presented.

nothing gets me more excited than waking up and having a deltarune-related video in my sub box time to get 9 minutes worth of snacks I love the idea that Dess or the Mayor is the knight, surprised i haven't come across either of those theories before. In terms of the unused text strings, I've always presumed they were Dess's reactions from the past, someone who has just been trapped in the dark world and reacting to it. There'd be plenty of reasons why this wouldn't be the case (it updating for chapter 2 does imply some sense of it being current), but fuck it, dess is now my favourite candidate for the knight. I'd love the switch of how the unused text portrays her as "lost, scared, and confused" to have her then be pulling the strings in all of the dark worlds. getting zapped to a new world and then becoming its overlord, hell yeah. you go start that roaring girl. (a couple of "stream-of-consciousness" thoughts coming from this: 1. with a lot of theories connecting the knight and Gaster for reasons I currently forget, if Dess disappeared into the bunker, that'd likely satisfy the presumed connection due to how gastery that area is. real gaster vibes, that bunker has. 2. one thing that would have to be determined if this theory was true would be why is dess attempting to cause a roaring? is she a villain or just an antagonist? is her motives good & ralsei is lying to everyone about the destructive forces (or even of the existence of the roaring)? would dess be being misled, or has her time in the darkness made her want to cause the roaring?) anyways, hope 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓪𝓵𝓰𝓸𝓻𝓲𝓽𝓱𝓶 is satisfied with my interaction with the video, lmao. time to go find a solid 5 hour block of time to finally go watch the deltacast

I know this video is a year old, but i feel like dress is in a dark world, but she is not being in any way controlled, so she actually wants to stay there

Just finished looking through the Spamton Sweepstakes last week and finally got to look at that sweet sweet Dess lore. (btw Omori spoilers in this) I definitely think Kris playing the piano is a trauma response, and I like the idea that Kris and Dess were the only ones brave enough to enter the bunker, and/or just go explore somewhere that Asriel and Noelle didn't, and what they saw led to Dess's disappearance and Kris closing themself off. That leads into a theory I like that something about this traumatic experience led Kris to be connected to Gaster or evenly willingly seek him out which resulted in the play connecting to them. And yeah Dess definitely didn't run away, in fact I find it very likely Carol/Mayor Holiday was a fine mother that is just heavily suffering from the disappearance of her child and becoming an extreme helicopter parent over her remaining one so she never has the same fate. It's sad and an unhealthy response, but understandable. It makes me think of how- *and I'm going to preface this section with HEAVY Omori spoilers-* Sunny's mother acted after Mari's death, letting Sunny stay inside despite knowing it's not good for him because she's afraid of losing him. While on the topic of Omori, I find it funny how directly the instrument connections mirror Omori's. While the protagonist played violin, the missing older sister of the friend group played piano. Meanwhile in Deltarune, the protagonist plays piano, and the missing older sister of the friend group plays guitar, another string instrument. Also the whole idea of Dess being the knight is thematically fitting too. Just like how it's revealed that the mysterious antagonistic entity of 'Something' is just Sunny's traumatic interpretation of Mari, a puppeted Dess could be more literally an antagonist that's hard to face down because of Kris's trauma. I too am a sucker for the confusing bit of mystery in a story suddenly being connected in one thread in the end, something which Omori does well and I hope Deltarune pulls off too. We never really realized how right Toby was when he made that tweet years ago that Omori would be very similar to Deltarune huh? And speaking of I _love_ the idea of a goner Dess being the knight, that's such an awesome theory and definitely connects to Mother 3 well (yes I spoiled myself on Mother 3 watching this video but idc lol). 7:55 P.S. love the art of Mayor Holiday as the knight, and that she has a face similar to Noelle's but the mask resembles Gyftrot. Reminds me of a Ch3 video someone made with Kris being chased down by a Knight in Undyne's Undertale armor in the Dark World, only for the mask to be lifted up to reveal a confused Napstablook who just ended up there lol.

Is so excited to learn more about Dess in the future 😳

love the use of nightmare knight's theme in this. im a die hard cucumber quest fan. adore the fan music toby made way back then

Something just occurred to me that I haven't seen anyone freaking out about, but now I am. I was reading through the comments on this video when someone mentioned Seam warning about being in dark world at night; the quote I could find is: "You don't want to get caught when the sun goes down..." And Kris just opened a dark fountain at night. I wonder if the reason most of the future chapter images Toby showed off are from chapter 4 instead of chapter 3 is because something harrowing goes on in chapter three in-between or unexpectedly after the movie/tv show shenanigans with the weather people and shadow men.

This is a cool video with things i havent though about good job

I believe that Rudy is a knight, his family has too many connections to the machinations of the Dark World for no real good reason, and there are some hints that he can be cured with the help of the Dark World. In the neutral ending, when Birdley broke his wing, it was left broken in the World of Light. So it's entirely possible that Rudy got sick in the Dark World and is unable to be cured unless he figures how to do it in the Dark World. Dess missing is also a good motivation for him to open up the Dark Worlds. The only problems are 1. He probably would not want to hurt Noelle by sending her to an unown world. Well the Queen actually wanted to protect Noelle the entire time, maybe Rudy was aware of this fact and didnt give a shit about anybody else getting hurt. Also it's entirely possible that it was all a coincidence and he got children in there by accident. But hey, this won't be the first time Toby Fox has made up a story about someone's father doing something irresponsible to little kids. 2. He can't leave the hospital in his condition. Well, probably not. We should ask... his Doctor.

All I'm gonna say is that we better not find her in a dark world. Susie herself told us that eating (and probably drinking) literally don't matter and prolonging your stay longer than three days just sounds like a death sentence. Not to mention that being a dusty corpse or just a corpse probably doesn't stop them from becoming a darkner due to the rule of inanimate things being powered back up by a dark fountain.

for the runaway theory, i feel like mrs holiday wasn’t as cold as she seems now until recently. perhaps she was strict before, but not cruel, but the stress caused by her political position plus having a missing daughter and an ill husband drove her to becoming more grouchy and unsociable, perhaps burying herself in her work to avoid having to confront her inner turmoil. if queen is a reflection of mrs holiday, then that would line up, since sweet cap’n cakes tell us that though queen wasn’t an amazing leader, before the knight showed up she wasn’t a tyrant at all

I love the idea of Dess being the Knight, but my personal belief is that they're ICE-E (yes, ICE-E) or at least someone heavily related to him.

i love the idea of Gaster and Dess just chilling at the bottom of the bunker playing buck bumble all day

idk if you've spoken on this yet but id rlly love to see a video of you discussing your thoughts on the "papyrus is the knight" theory!! :] /nf

Dess most likely is dead and their is a good chance that they never were able to cover the body so she was mark as MIA This is also would explain why we never see a grave for her, but I believe that her mother is in denial of the lost of her own child. Because she is the mayor of the town, she most likely order people not to make a grave for Dess. This also explains why Noelle and her mother relationship is quite shaking, due to the fact Noelle might look quite similar to Dess, so every time Noelle mother would see Noelle she would see a part of Dess which then brings back all the terrible memories she has been trying to forget. Usually a person who is tending to forget about a bad experience would focus on working on something in this case, we see that Noelle mother is always busy but in reality she only keeps busy so those bad memories don't return. Kinda sad if this true. Also this post is before watching the video.

While Dess as the Knight is interesting, I'm not too sure. It's heavily implied that the Knight is someone opening fountains from the light world, and for it to be Dess it'd imply she's been walking around town without anyone noticing. (I know you can open fountains from INSIDE a Dark World, but it doesn't seem to be accesible to Lightners or foreign darkners until there's a fountain there)

Very cooo theories!!

Knight Dess is a theory I've wholeheartedly believed in for a little bit now. I can't wait for Toby to make me cry over 13 year olds again like Mother 3 did!

I thank Sarah for retweeting out this video on her twitter! Me wanting to know everything there is to know about Deltarune like the high lore nerds, I wanted to ask a couple of things after watching. But before that, thank you as well for that Mother 3 warning, it was much appreciated. I'm currently paused midway through my own playthrough of the game :) First, where have we seen the text strings, like the one at 8:14? I feel like I've seen these, but I can't remember where. And second, do you think Kris' inability to play the piano is due to their stress of other people watching, or due to the player's control of them? Third, do you think your videos will suffice to thoroughly understand all this world's lore up to this point? Or is there people that you'd also recommend I check out? Thank you for this video, I quite enjoyed it and will likely watch more of your channel.

5:03 Just wanted to say: OMORI

(mother 3 spoilers) the roaring could also be inspired by the dark dragon, where if all seven needles were pulled by a source of evil, the dragon would emerge from the earth and wipe out all life on earth. sound familiar?

I wonder If this is why kris had a save file in the dark world, Of course it wouldn't be the same dark world but they also have a save in chapter two, HalfbreadChao's theory as to how this happened is that kris can save in the light world, maybe when kris and Dess entered the bunker, (if they ever did anyway) Dess wasn't able to make it out of the dark world, or somehow got stuck there when the fountain sealed, maybe she turned into an object in the light world, (that's clearly far fetched) But if kris sealed the dark world with Dess in it what happens, do they just wake up? But anyway I think that's why Kris wants to open the dark fountain. Anyway, that's just my two cents.

I wonder if mystery of her disappear will affect our perceptions of Lore. I mean, it would be extremely unexpected and cool, if Dess has NOTHING to do with Gaster's secrets, and she is a part of something different. ...I just need River Person to be connected to Deltarune from the very beginning.

Can’t wait for Spamton Sweepstakes 2: Jevil Jiveaway

Honestly after this video I am more inclined to believe that Dess might be a roaring knight. It'd be really interesting for the plot and the whole game in general. She's definitely one of the most likely candidates. I think she's alive as well and we'll find her later in the game. Either as a knight or in other circumstances. The mayor being a knight is intriguing and possible too. Also very interesting mother 3 connection. I've played this game several times now, but the parallel with Noelle and Dess to Lucas and Claus has never crossed my mind.

Hey dorked not to be a pain nor am I trying to pester you but I don't suppose you could upload floweys theme checkmate that plays when flowey betrays everyone in inverted fate, it's a banger. Cool video btw, hope you're doing well :)

I have my own headcanon of how these theories COULD work. I’m not trying to be cleaver/ original. I honestly just want it to make sense. 1. We don’t know how long dark world doors have existed in hometown. If they have been around for years is it possible kris and Susie were not the ones to discover them first? 2. I would like to know if asrial and Dess discovered any dark fountains when Noelle and kris were Little. If true then asrial and Dess could have been DELTA WARRIORS fighting against their own angels heaven years ago. Given how popular asrial is I like to imagine bratty, catty and pizza pants had opportunities to join the the duo in some adventures. It would make GREAT fan fiction if this was true. I call this theory GEN DELTA theory. 3. How this concludes loops back into the Dess is the Knight theory. As a result of playing heroes or due to being careless with other worldly magic. Dess and asrial were separated from each other. Asrial returned to the light world and lost the ability to return to the dark. Dess for unknown reasons became trapped in the dark world with no way to return. 4. Here the story picks up on what we know. Asrial never reviled the truth about what happened ( a sort of dark parallel to flowey hiding the power of determination in undertale) Asgore fails to find Dess and gets fired by Dess’s mother mayor holiday. Noelle becomes heartbroken and she and kris don’t connect as kids anymore. And life goes on. 5. Next I want to spitball some possible conclusion theories on my personal GEN DELTA theory. Asrial became desperate to get his friend (possibly girlfriend) back so left for university, maybe to study the nature of dark worlds in a academic fashion. If the core of undertale was never made in this world it would be thematically accurate for the professor of asrial university to be W.D.Gaster that would study science and physics legitimately. 6. Dess on the other hand is a complete mystery. Weather due to madness, loneliness or prolonged exposure to dark world environments. She also is constantly studying her prison and learning its secrets. She takes on the identity of THE KNIGHT and with the goal of bridging the dark and light worlds opens more fountains. By enlisting king she bought time to open more fountains until three medaling brats Ruined her plans. 7. Finally once asrial triumphantly returns he will enlist his old crew bratty, catty and pizzapants. Dive back into their childhood bonding experience assist the current DELTA WARRIORS and save Dess from the darkness. Don’t forget … I’m with you in the dark…🎶 Feel free to make this into a fanfic anyone who’s reading. I’m too lazy. Thank you I’m spent.

My theory is that Dess isn't the knight per say, but is definitely in a more goner state. That said, I also have an internal canon of Gaster not being a super old dude in this timeline and being trapped outside of reality as a bored, ultrapowerful teenager, which would not only defy all expectations, but would provide someone to keep Dess company outside of reality. I'm just saying my fan canon, aren't I?

My personal hc is that she got trapped in the bunker, became Gaster’s reluctant apprentice, and did his bidding.

I wonder if there’s any connection between the bunker and the time Noelle recalls in the puzzle sequence, where they explored the woods behind the church.

Funny how you mention Mother 3, I also think that deltarune has many M3 inspired things in it, which is also why I personally think we're getting a chapter that's very similar to the sunflower chapter.

Ok, I paused the video, so I don't know what you're about to say, but in generally I really like the Dess is the knight theory. I find it very interesting how years of absense, potentially being lost in a dark world, could've affected her, and how Noelle would react and act through all of this. I also like it because Noelle, Kris, Ralsei, Susie and Dess seem to be the most important characters in Deltarune and this way, everyone has a significant role to the main story of restoring balance between light and dark.

What I want most with Dess is for her to be found after The Lnight's defeat and the Angel's Heaven is sealed. Like chapter 6 could be the thrilling finale to the story and than chapter 7 would be all about finding her. I just feel that it'd be kinda quaint, having the heroes' final ordeal not be stopping some roaring knight or deity of light but instead finding their lost friend.

Hehehe, these Deltarune Videos, just makes me anticipate the Next Update even more, do we have any idea of when we should expect the Next Chapters?

8:45 knowing Toby I wouldn't be surprised if he made Dess into the Jeff of the party.

Maybe there's a "player" behind Dess, forcing her go scr as the knight. Maybe the assumption that Noelle is the Angel is a red herring and the Angel is Dess... idk, but I'm excited to find out

i think dess is the [redeacted] figure in the unused undertale room 272. it matches with the unused dialog of someone asking for help from a dark place where no one can hear them as the words of the figure are hidden from us not only by being written in lowercase wingdings but also by being quite literally redacted. whats more is that exiting to the south of room 272 leads you to the sound test room where the infamous gaster's theme can be found, which ends with the words "thanks for your feedback, be seeing you soon!" and brings to mind the fact that deltarune was labeled as a "survey program" when it was initially released. the figure in 272 also kind of looks like it has an antler on its head

Excited to see what you say about Skies Forever Blue. If you haven't heard about it yet, go watch it. It might give you some insight or ideas.

what is the song that plays at 7:04 it is such a damn banger

not sure exactly how to fit it into a whole theory but I have a feeling the knight MAY be multiple people

I want a link to the music in the parts about mother 3 probably its music from the mother series but I dont know how to find it

While Dess being The Knight is certainly a possibility, I think it would be interesting to see Asriel as The Knight. What if the internet was cut out on purpose, and Asriel didn’t want Kris communicating with him, so he wouldn’t interrupt. Maybe he wanted to protect Kris, and prevent him from seeing what he is involved with. Maybe he doesn’t know Kris is involved in the prophecy?

While I’m inclined to agree with this theory, I have something else to add to it. I personally believe that while Dess could be the Knight, she’s probably being controlled by somebody else. I personally think that the person behind everything is Gaster, and that Dess is being controlled like a puppet. Not only would this make for an emotional climax, but could also continue the theme of control, or the lack of control, but would also make a great parallel to Kris. Those are my thoughts on the theory.

I wonder if, because of all these theories on who the Knight might be with various different candidates, when the Knight's true identity is finally revealed in the game... will we end up being surprised? Or will we already have built up so many expectations out of all the characters that are possible candidates that no matter who it turns out to be, we're not really surprised? Or will it turn out to be someone completely new or someone unexpected, like Burgerpants? Or Temmie?! OR EGG?!?? Maybe we should just not make any expectations, maybe that would make the "surprise" more worth it? I don't know. Regardless, I am very excited for chapters 3-5 and will without hesitation say to Toby Fox "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" Metaphorically, of course. ;)

Maybe this is long debunked but after seeing ch2's snowgrave route, i kind of just assumed noelle had accidentally killed dess with snowgrave

I believe either Noelle or dess is the Angel not the Knight. And wherever dess is trapped in is the Angels heaven... whatever that means

what's the song that plays from 5:35 to the end of the video? its really good.

This is my theory, I think Dess is working under the Knight, and with this culminating at the end of chapter 5 revealing Dess is working under the knight. Also telling from the current theme of dark fountains, we can deduce that places with two or more rooms and or locked away to the player is most likely going to be where a dark fountains gonna happen, which means there’s a high chance that Noellle‘s house may be a dark fountain. Theory number 2 is that Noelle‘s mom is the roaring. This makes a lot of because The fact that Each dark fountain takes place in a location that Noelle spend a lot of time in. Also the queen symbolizing Noelle‘s mom and the way she idolizes the Roaring Knight make a lot of sense

Whats the song that plays at the start of the Dess Knight theory?

Really cool theory, would be epic if it happened! What is the music from 5:40 please?

WAIT I JUST NOTICED there's only two strings on the guitar :O

Why does the music near the end of the video sound so familiar yet I can’t say where it’s from