Finding Dory: What Went Wrong? - Wisecrack Edition 

Yeah but who sets out to watch an "okay" movie?

Do you expect every movie to be a revolutionary feature?

I disagree, it is a bad movie. The story is weak, the characters make weird decisions, the ending sequence is very stupid. I think that for the 13 years it took them to make the sequel it feels rushed, like they just wanted the money.

"Forgettable" is the best word to describe this film.

totally agree

Lmao

Memory loss isn't an absolute...

No, only a sith deals in absolutes

@@rebeccarock3084 plus, wouldnt It show how she is getting her memory back?

*Ahem!* Keyword: *Short-term* memory loss. Dory retained _some_ long-term memories about her childhood and her family, and started by going off of those long-term memories.

pachuco714lalo Totally waiting for this comment

Why don't the regular webites (facebook, twitter, etc) do that?

Nothing much, until all hashes are cracked.They don't know your private key, so if u forget ur password, u would not be able to restore it

Oh okay I see.

They encrypted your info using your password and they only store a encrypted version of your LastPass password, so if they did get hacked, all the hackers would see is some random strings of letters, and they would need to try billions of combinations to guess your password.

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Hank

They called him septopus, which means he has 7 arms, not 8 as "octopus" indicates.

What about, "Finding Sandy Plankton"

Is Hank too hard of a name to remember? They say his name a lot in the video also

Our Founding Liars how do you think of this shit so quickly dude

Scar Face He's watching conspiracy Theories

elijah n dawink false. I'm making them. Keep asking questions

Our Founding Liars lmao, yes. Sub

Our Founding Liars but Disney didn't yet own Pixar when Finding Nemo came out

Hmmm...we will just have to wait for the third Finding movie, Finding Hank to find out why he does not like the ocean, and to see how Bloat, Bubbles, Deb, Gill, Gurgle, Jacques and Peach escape from the quarantine facility. April 27, 2023, 5:49am

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MichaelH3948 I see where your coming. From but I think sequels have this liberty. To ask a sequel to rehash character development and rebuild relationships every film would mean watching the same movie in a lot of ways

I agree in that sequels aren't required to reestablish character but they must reestablish motivation. Pixar assumes that the audience will care about Dory's pursuit of her parents and understand Marlin's motivation for helping her merely because they like Dory and Marlin. In other words, the audience will be so blinded by their love of the characters that they won't question their motives and behaviour

Not really marlin got over his dickishness to dory.

MichaelH3948 they do but at the same time they contradict themselves

Who hasn't seen Finding Nemo?

IHE.

How come we can hear exactly the same music? Is it a track from some bad (but weirdly popular with youtubers) commercial, or what?

Lucas Balaminut j

Lilyanna08 Its royalty free music. So anybody can use it with out fear of a copyright claim.

Do I Hate Finding Dory?

yeah fuck dory right

2ToTheDome pls dont objectify Dory

I think you mean "Finding Nemo"

Your right finding dory was just a shitty cash grab, to the much beloved finding dory. Find dory. Find nemo Find demo

finding dory can't be compared to finding dory

waka waka

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I thought that's the route thry were taking when they tell her they're not there, that's the one time the movie had me hooked. But nope, a few minutes later she finds them cause plot. What a waste of potential.

How the hell would he have found out that Dory's parents are dead? He doesn't know who they are and he can't tell if they're dead or not.

Crazelord91 I think they can recover that

You can only recover it by purchasing the premium version of it. LastPass sucks.

Yeah, Wisecrack is clearly grasping at straws here to justify saying that Dory's bond and dynamics with Hank are weaker than the same kind of conflict she had with Marlin.

Dory's been faking her memory problem. check out Film theorists videos about her.

Eli N.S If you have any points in particular you'd like to discuss, feel free. 'Film Theorists' is a bit of a controversial name around here and probably won't hold much weight.

Squiggly Lions Did you watched the videos that I mentioned? because saying that someone's evidences aren't valid before even looking at said evidence is pretty retarded. Saying that "film theorists" doesn't hold much weight is a very bad argument (maybe an argument from authority, like some people don't deserve to be listened to because of their educational or whatever background ?). MatPat is not mentally disabled, he can make good videos with valid points and logical conclusions and he has even explained that he doesn't believe in every of the theories in his videos, sometimes he is just giving the arguments to support certain beliefs that he saw on the internet but he doesn't necessarily completely buy into himself, yet haters depicted him as an idiot. Also many of his videos are made for entertainment, they are not supposed to be taken seriously or literally, and it is pretty easy to tell which one are meant to be taken literally and which one aren't (at least for normal people). For example, his video about Deadpool being Ernest Hemingway didn't literally mean that they are the same person but what it hints at is that maybe Hemingway inspired the character of Deadpool. Whereas his video about Deadpool writing his own movie, literally means that he could have written his own movie. All in all, my point is Dory isn't ill, watch MatPat's videos, he explained why. I don't drink all his words neither, it's just that his video made perfect sense. and what we should get from that is not that Dory was WRITTEN as liar but that her symptoms aren't consistent, so certainly the writers just used her "illness" as a plot device.

Roman Jones I don't really buy into the idea that Finding Dory is a tale about living with a disability. The most famous joke from the movie was about a mentally challenged sea lion getting bullied off a rock. What about Becky? That bird's clear disability was a punchline in the movie. I think that the movie was a cash grab more than anything else.

I would agree. I found this movie to be much more relatable than the first, and had more of an emotional impact on me than Finding Nemo ever did.

One thing that really sets Pixar apart, is that they don't make movies according to what we want , as much as they make movie's according to what we need. In this sense, this superficial production was kind of out of place for such an iconic and great studio like Pixar.

Fred.... what??!

RU-vid Garbage Well, Elino excused the production of the movie, with the fact that there was a high public demand for the movie - in other words: what people want. But, usually Pixar makes heavily emotional movies, with deep plots and morals, which we evolve and nurture from as people - in other words: what we need. By making a movie based on public demand, Pixar is compromising with the quality of the movie, leading to the mess which is described by Wisecrack in the video.

Giving in to a "huge fan demand" rather than leave a masterpiece alone _is_ a "cash-grab". The non-cash-grabby studios say, "just enjoy what you've got, as we don't wish to ruin the past." *cough* Godfather 3 *cough* Indiana Jones and Crystal Skull *cough* Star Wars prequels and sequels *cough*

Well, admittingly public demand doesn't ecessarily influence the final product. You can still focus on making a good movie if you know what you're doing,

Wow. I think you are even smarter than Wisecrack in this video! These flashback shortcuts that need to move the plot forward make Dory a less passive protagonist than the plot thinks. She actively tries to remember these clues about where to find her parents. They are not just "convenient" for her to fight against her own weakness of memory loss.

Trey Carlson I couldn't agree more!

Exactly. The whole movie is about people learning to care for those with disabilities. From those who were prepared and had time to adjust like her parents, to those just starting to understand like Marlon and Nemo, to those being confronted with it for the first time and acting on the fly like Hank. And the aquarium stands in well for a mental health facility where the patient are being taken care of but have no real liberty of their own. Posing the question "how safe can we keep them without taking away their quality of life"

This is what made me stop watching the movie, because that's what I got as one of the movie's goals... and then they introduced us to Gerald and Becky, and woooooow, just... wow. How on EARTH did nobody see a problem with these characters in a movie about humanizing people with disabilities? AND they apparently thought they'd already FIXED Gerald's character so he used to be even WORSE. WOW. I went looking for articles afterward and found one where one of the directors (in addition to dropping that fact about changing Gerald, which for some reason he thought was... a... good thing...?) pretty much outright stated it was the viewer's problem if that's how they saw those two characters, and okay, come ON. Two characters in the entire movie who look, move, think, and act differently, and who are LITERALLY not given voices in a world where all animals have voices, and you're telling me that it's the AUDIENCE that just magically decided these characters were deliberately separated and differentiated from the rest of your created universe?? That's either (bad) PR bullshit, or the entire team is just plain no good at storytelling. And I don't believe that of an entire team of Pixar employees, so I'm going with the former. Worse, those characters are only there to be bullied and/or used by the other characters to further the plot - or for really, really, really cheap laughs, I mean if you take out every single joke centering around Gerald or Becky there is literally nothing lost. Also if you take those characters out altogether, nothing is lost. Any of the sea lions could have had a bucket. And there's clearly helpful birds in this universe because there was one in Finding Nemo, so not only did it come off as painfully, even wilfully tone deaf, but it destroyed all the build up about treating people with disabilities like human beings. Because not only are Gerald and Becky bullied/used, but neither Marlin nor Nemo, TWO OF THE HEROES OF THE MOVIE, say anything about Gerald being bullied, and Marlin actually badmouths Becky constantly, and while Nemo does call it out - briefly - it just gets thrown right back to why Marlin's treatment of Dory is wrong, and Becky disappears from the movie because she was only there to be a flying bucket and a cheap laugh. Ouch. Combine this with, as the video points out, Dory's almost complete lack of agency, and you've got a film that's mouthing one set of values while demonstrating the complete opposite. I actually ended up turning the movie off shortly after the Becky/Gerald scenes. It all left a very bad taste in my mouth, and unfortunately is one of those movies that reaches backward and affects my opinion of its predecessor - which is still a good movie with some great lessons, but man... knowing that Marlin's just going to keep being a jerk to Dory (it's okay though because he totally learns a lesson! Which he then conveniently forgets when they need a cheap sad emotional moment so he has to learn it over and over and ... wait, which fish has the memory issue again?) and Nemo's going to sit silently watching a couple of 'normals' bully a couple of 'not normals' has permanently altered the characters. Unfortunate, and a damn good lesson in why cash grabs can end up even affecting your past successes in the mind of the public.

As someone with disabilites I thought the movie was weak.

Be Ba This comment is so important.

No, Despacito remix with flutes

I know it as Cake Mania music...

Sean Too depressing. The masses want their heroes capable and in control of their destiny so they can believe they can be too.

So, it might actually be a brilliant but cynical movie?

They have Coco coming out this year, it looks to be another Inside Out. Same director of Toy Story 3. And they just announced a fantasy film featuring dragons and other stuff like that.

at this point, it would be pointless to bring up the animation as a positive thing. it’s 2018, it should look the best automatically. pretty colors and cgi is NOT a good movie makes.

*gently points out norm of the north, released in 2016* i think we still shouldnt take great animation for granted

RaYmOnDrOiD Dory actually DIDN’T have one note, but whatever.

Roderick Chapman particularly for the mentally disabled. Even in adulthood they still get treated partially (and sometimes totally) with kids gloves. Depending on your disability and the severity of it a person may need constant supervision and may even need (or are otherwise given) guidance in making their own decisions. This video overlooks that this movie is about mental disability, both living with it and living with and caring for people with them.

Alright, but does it make for a good movie narrative? No.

Roderick Chapman Adding onto what Mr. Chang said, it's about the escape a story provides to make us forget that we are often passive players in this game of life. Finding Dory missed the mark on that.

Ok, but this is not an existential movie. It's a movie about a fish who's trying to find her parents

If you interpret it this way, the ending of the movie is the complete opposite of what it says. Dory literally accomplishes nothing, and has no particular strength. She gets to where she is literally exclusively on blind luck and coincidence. The entire purpose of the movie, where Dory actually finds her movie, is literally by her failing and not by some clever ingenuity. So if you want the movie to be about how disabled people are useless, and can succeed or fail on complete chance, then by all means. But if you wanted a movie to see how disabled people who can overcome, or utilize their disability for a unique take on things, then this movie had none of that.

Arc omg I'd love that so much but the video would be like 3 hours long

Arc they'd need like a season of videos to do the series justice.

Arc The philosophy of evangelion is to jack off to unconscious girls while also being secretly gay to a grey haired serene gay dude

Cake# Maybe shinji is Christian, and his turmoil with being gay is why there is so much Christian imagrey Just kidding

Evangelion isn't that deep, dude. Most of the characters' motives and actions are akin to what depression feels like, which you can tell was mostly intentional, and that statement can be supported by the fact Hideaki Anno suffers through depression from time to time and was especially dealing with it while making the series (if I remember correctly).

That actually makes it worse because like so many other films it casually ignores the actual issues of the person's disorder. Rather the disorder can be conveniently fixed. That Dory, remembering her past is something that is possible under certain circumstances. As a person who is disabled, I can't do certain things, the convenience of her being able to find her parents and remember things she realistically wouldn't undermines the potential of it being for those who are disabled.

Its not actually worse. I experince psychosis and to me this was just a nice story that made me escape for a bit. Not all stories have to be entirely grounded in realism.

Right?

I wouldn't say I hated it. I found it very underwhelming and unmemorable at worst.

There's a huge difference between hating a movie and finding it emotionally unsatisfying compared to the first one. Chill.

What makes this movie forgettable?

Thank you

so, wait, let me get this straight, places can get hacked so you shouldn't use the same passwords everywhere,...so instead you should compile all your passwords for everywhere in this one place.

RDeathmark that's right. It's the safest measure.

S R have my children please.

RDeathmark it's either that or be forced to write everything down on paper like savages

THANK YOU! All through the video, I was thinking about: wasn't Finding Dory more about finding herself??

Um people with anterograde amnesia can't form new memories so there is no way a person can slowly form new memories if they have that illness. Also, I think Pixar was avoiding the term anterograde amnesia out of 1) because it would be the incorrect use of that term since she had this illness when she was a child and the ways it develops sounds way too farfetched for her to acquire it (drug abuse, traumatic events, brain tumor.) 2) The last thing you want to use for a family movie (where kids are definitely going to be involved) are extremely complicated and big words. Just thought I would clarify your first sentence.

actually, Dory's been faking her memory issues the whole time! there are two great videos proving this on The Film Theorists channel. not really related to your comment, i know, but it's a very interesting concept to think about

Considering Dory's arc is mostly having things happening to her rather than her doing things, I don't think they really achieved their goal.

They explained the beginnings, its because Dory's family writes her off as more of a nuisance, Dory wouldn't really have a reason for this Journey anyway.

Reous That is literally not in the movie at all. Dory’s family never writes get off as a nuisance.

E There was no “passive protagonist issue,” though.

Ryan Paye, you clearly don't understand the context of whats being said. No they don't outright write Dory off, but her treatment by her parents is with more confusion and annoyance at her not being to bright . They literally ask her if she remembers something, and when she responds wrong there is a look of panic and confusion, not of concern. Since this wasn't the first time she had done that such actions make no sense, you don't even get a scene where they look for her frantically. With Nemo his dad is worried and frantic, which makes you invested in the character. Dory doesn't get that so it makes her story disconnected and her parents feel not as great as Nemo's dad. Through her interaction with her parents you end up finding even less reason to wonder why she wants to find them, for all she knows they didn't even try to look hard. That's what writing her off as a nuisance means, and she is treated as such by everyone else throughout the film reinforcing the idea (though they eventually change, its still terrible writing considering the first movie). I thought since the video explained this I wouldn't have to explain what I was talking about. Makes me believe you didn't watch the vid.

there do have a difference between well-written story and those crappy ones, even they have the same elements.

Testify, my friend

Well, Finding Dory is still lightyears ahead of quality from the movie Lightyear, and I still want a third Finding Nemo movie to answer how the tank gang eventually get back to the ocean after the post-credits scene of Finding Dory and learn more about Gill's past. I would pay top dollar for Finding Gill! Which my mom already did for the two of us to see Finding Dory on the big screen back in 2016.

ben zur it’s more accurately translated as a leap into faith.

What philosophy is there? It's deliberately made to be as stupid and nonesensical as possible. There's no "deeper meaning" to it. I mean, the humor presented might be used to satirize PC culture, but even so it was never meant to be taken seriously.

Why??? What is there to say? It's another part of a shitty movie series for stupid people. Move on. Watch something good.

Katherine Russo yeah, watch a good movie, like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

RU-vid Garbage There seems to be a distinct lack of quality movies these days. Zootopia was the last movie I heard was actually really good, and I refuse to watch it purely because... I'm a picky fish who doesn't easily fall for bait (to use a topical analogy).

MortifiedDumplin zootopia handed their social message pretty bad but aside from that, is a decent watch

I dont think you can with Age of Ultron now after Endgame. AOU meant a lot more than we thought at the time but now it means so much more. That nudge of Mjolnir by cap. Those visions that felt so out of place. Everything is different about that movie now.

JulianGreystoke You are.

iHerdCactus yes

i think you can see him at 10:10 (left side) as well

Have you guys seen this before Or just now?

iHerdCactus Just now. I'm on mobile so i could be wrong

Ok

Planes isn't Pixar I believe, it's Disney animation.