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So this is Gold Pilot, the song I wrote for the Homestuck album Colours and Mayhem. This song has become the theme of the Psiioniic (and it works freakishly well as such) but I wrote it originally in honor of Bec (to the dismay of some).
The song recently made it into the actual comic as the music for the Act 6 Act 6 Intermission 1 animation. (totally took me by surprise!)
www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6...
Enjoy, Homestuck fans, and others alike!
Music copyright © 2012 Ben Phillip Ray

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@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 11 лет назад
Originally the piece was called "The Green Odyssey". A fairly self explanatory title in light of it being about Bec, methinks.
@ShrubRustle
@ShrubRustle 8 лет назад
Well, this was used in a Jade flash, so, in a sense, it fulfilled its original intent of being a Bec song.
@kira-xj4og
@kira-xj4og 8 лет назад
Yes. Quarter of a Jade flash.
@l0ned1ver95
@l0ned1ver95 3 года назад
i need to comment on this, i doubt anyone will read it idk why, but im feeling something weird, i was just seeing some of the more emotional flashes in Karkat Goes To A Convention (no spoilers here tho), checking if Cole had updated it, and i remembered a song from Homestuck, and i wanted to find it. and ended up seeing Gold Pilot again, its been a long while since i listened to it i read homestuck in 2020, (srry new reader stuff lolol.) and sure sometimes i felt the retroactive FOMO of not having been there when it was being written, but i overcame that. Homestuck's cool, i like it, thats kinda most of what i have to say rn, this isnt that much about homestuck. as after after 10 seconds into Gold Pilot, staring at the coloUrs and mayhem Universe A cover, i started feeling this weird feeling, its not catharsis, similar but not quite it; its not really sad, its not happy either; the best way i can describe is that its a very "human" feeling. having trouble identifying it. i guess just, the relationship between humans and art and fiction is just really strange
@shineamie6098
@shineamie6098 Год назад
I'm not into homestuck anymore, but years later I still love this song sm and can listen to it for hours, I'm so happy it exists
@dbjb40
@dbjb40 4 месяца назад
Same. I still happily listen to many songs in the soundtrack. They're just good.
@thelovelypenguin
@thelovelypenguin 9 лет назад
Easily one of my all-time favorite songs from the comic. :3
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 9 лет назад
This brings me joy, thank you :D
@thelovelypenguin
@thelovelypenguin 9 лет назад
First Turn Fold No problem! Keep up the great work. Would love to hear more of your stuff. :)
@timetuner
@timetuner 10 лет назад
So it ended up being used in the comic in a context that was reminiscent of its original influences as well as The Helmsman. That's pretty nifty.
@leec.8359
@leec.8359 9 лет назад
in such that jade is under the control of her imperial condense.
@kira-xj4og
@kira-xj4og 8 лет назад
+Lee C. And using Bec's powers
@VitaEmerald324
@VitaEmerald324 4 года назад
Basically being used like The Helmsman was used. Clever.
@Ucatty2
@Ucatty2 10 лет назад
My favorite song from Colours and Mayhem Universe A. One of the best by far. Shame that it wasn't fully animated in the update. But then again, the fact that Hussie used your song to an [S] update probably was one of the coolest moments ever. Still wish it was fully animated though.
@PanBelacqua
@PanBelacqua 9 лет назад
Well John just time-tweaked, so maybe we'll get to see the full thing this time?
@Ucatty2
@Ucatty2 9 лет назад
who knows?
@Shu-hx8xu
@Shu-hx8xu 5 лет назад
don't you mean *coloUrs and mayhem?*
@VitaEmerald324
@VitaEmerald324 4 года назад
RIP this song, never got fully featured
@Hexerik
@Hexerik 9 лет назад
SO IT IS YOU THE GOD WHO CREATED THIS AMAZING FUCKING SONG
@yourmomisthegameandimalrea8518
The Captors are such underrated characters. Nice song by the way! I love it.
@jessheck3244
@jessheck3244 8 лет назад
+Luis Muñoz The Room aspect is my favorite aspect.
@FiSH-iSH
@FiSH-iSH 3 года назад
ah yes, mituna. everyones favorite heir of *room.*
@shrivak
@shrivak 3 года назад
I really liked this song amongst the mountains of others made in the Homestuck franchise. Sad to see the artist hasn't produced anymore.
@dothemusicything8541
@dothemusicything8541 3 года назад
He still puts out music on occasion - he's on Soundcloud (also as First Turn Fold). Not Homestuck stuff, but also good; I recommend Trick-Ride, Eighteen Thirty Hours, and Up And To The Right.
@trk9170
@trk9170 2 года назад
Art.
@nocturnalsunlight3639
@nocturnalsunlight3639 6 лет назад
This song is actually one of the main reasons I love Homestuck. I love its epic feel, glitchy effects and sad melodies. Comibined together, this is a masterpiece! The song's ending deserves a separate award xD
@nocturnalsunlight3639
@nocturnalsunlight3639 6 месяцев назад
Hello me from 2018! Enjoy taking part in your IRL Homestuck fandom while it lasts! It'll only last for one more year for you, sorry for that.
@yourcopiumdealer3399
@yourcopiumdealer3399 9 лет назад
This is one of the most beautiful tracks ever in Homestuck, how you've worked with the rhythm, the combination of the stings and the xylophone (?) reflect so well the duality within The Psiioniic, but Bec Noir as well, it's, in my opinion, a masterpiece. So I listen to it non-stop every time I read Homestuck :3 Well done, keep making such beautiful music :)
@TheProfessorAO69
@TheProfessorAO69 8 лет назад
Thank you for writing my favorite Homestuck song
@user-jo5wx2sl7v
@user-jo5wx2sl7v 3 года назад
69 likes. Nice.
@avecas
@avecas 9 лет назад
2:03 this song really needs about twenty thousand more views, it's positively wonderful
@DragonaxFilms
@DragonaxFilms 6 лет назад
Just took that Homestuck zodiac quiz thingy and found out I have the Sign of the Pilot. Considering this is like, my favorite piece of HS music, that's pretty cool.
@DragonaxFilms
@DragonaxFilms 6 лет назад
Hey, cool! :D
@MattJDave
@MattJDave 3 года назад
This guy would go on to write the equally amazing Endless Space 2 soundtrack. What a guy!
@genesis_ink
@genesis_ink 4 года назад
wow. 6 years... Crazy how time just dose that huh? The whole "not stopping" thing... I still love this song dearly, and actually listen to it quite a lot... Memories man..
@Sturfall
@Sturfall Год назад
Happy 10 years! This has been my favorite song for a while now, I always find myself coming back to it.
@Drakatha1337
@Drakatha1337 8 лет назад
You are one of the most criminally under appreciated artists I have ever seen in my entire life. Birds of Wellhammer, Just Hit B and Wake Up are so incredibly unique and finely crafted that it brings a manly tear to my eye.
@Shinobi_Fox
@Shinobi_Fox Год назад
I'm just gonna leave this here as a thanks to the composer, this has been one of my favourite songs of all time and I've been listening to it since Colours and Mayhem first came out, so thanks for making such an awesome track.
@VampLovr54
@VampLovr54 4 года назад
Just came here 6 years later to say how amazing this is!
@tipsyGnostalgics
@tipsyGnostalgics Год назад
^^ i agree with this
@michiri9
@michiri9 Год назад
still a good song. always will be
@user-bp7oo2yz4i
@user-bp7oo2yz4i 6 лет назад
This song always gets me emotional... So intense near the end, it brings me shivers! Best calm down before I burst a blood vessel... heh
@StarlightViolets
@StarlightViolets 10 лет назад
This is one of the best pieces from the entire soundtrack. I love it to bits! You did a wonderful job with it! :D
@imgoingghost3
@imgoingghost3 7 лет назад
I wish more people had known you'd created this. It's a beautiful piece of art and fits someone with a dark past extremely well. Keep up the amazing work, no matter what it may be.
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 7 лет назад
dynamite appocrthy Wow, thank you so much, that's incredibly kind! I do want it known that I'm still writing music! I haven't posted in a while, obviously, but it's still a thing! And encouraging words like this make me want to do it all the more!
@siliconmonday
@siliconmonday 4 года назад
This is the best Homestuck song, hands down
@Gabita25x
@Gabita25x 10 лет назад
Absolutely perfect. It's so ironic that it suits The Psiioniic perfectly even tough you made it for Beckerel. I thought I loved "Purple Bard" the most, but this is seriously my favorite one, plus, I think I like The Psiioniic a bit more than before lol.
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 10 лет назад
Haha, thank you! Purple Bard is pretty fantastic, so i'm honored to have surpassed it in your opinion :D
@VitaEmerald324
@VitaEmerald324 4 года назад
I like Purple Tyrant quite a bit, but that’s mostly because I have it associated with something else I like. Gold Pilot is definitely my favorite on pure quality.
@hvegaval
@hvegaval 7 лет назад
I listened over 100 songs of Homestuck but this song is still my favorite.
@WhatIsMyPorpoise
@WhatIsMyPorpoise 5 лет назад
Listeened to all Homestuck, Hiveswap and all LoFaMs(I can't say I've listened to all the fan music that exists but that's a substantial amount) and this still remains my favorite song. The beats, the use of the repeater on everything, the choice of instruments and the overal melody somehow makes the song feel motivating, sad, hopeful, dramtatic, yet lighthearted and that's just amazing. Something is just fantastic about it. 10/10 would listen on repeat for hours Also, which genre does this count as, I have no idea.
@emilyrcronin
@emilyrcronin 10 лет назад
I can't stop hitting repeat! This song is gorgeous and you should be commended, good sir.
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 10 лет назад
Thank you so much! I'm so glad you can glean joy from it!
@sundaethief
@sundaethief 5 лет назад
I love this track way too much to explain how good it is. It makes me feel wayy too many emotions at the same time. It…s simply amazing and I kinda wish you'd continue to make more music.
@coraiwen1779
@coraiwen1779 10 лет назад
The first time I heard this song, I cried. I love it so so so! Much! It's my favorite song ever. Thank you
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 10 лет назад
Sorry it took me for literally ever to respond here, but thank you so much! To hear that it moved someone to that degree warms my heart and my soul
@wrapto
@wrapto 9 лет назад
Just chiming in the add to the multitudes praising you for this song, it's sincerely impressive. I feel like it's a little TARDIS-sounding, and really puts a sense of impossible pace across. You should be very proud.
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 9 лет назад
Thank you so much! I'm just happy it's been so welcomed by so many people, it blows my mind!
@VitaEmerald324
@VitaEmerald324 4 года назад
It does sound a bit like the Doctor Who opening thinking about it, it has a similar tempo
@tabbytiger2070
@tabbytiger2070 9 лет назад
I really love this song, it calms me down during tough times :0
@user-je5mb9yy8n
@user-je5mb9yy8n 8 лет назад
+Quinitive (Quinity or Quin) Me too
@bored-bedroom-female9276
@bored-bedroom-female9276 4 года назад
I'm honestly just happy I now know who made this song. It's been my fave out of all HS music, and has the best remixes made for it tbh. Congrats sir on the official comic animation several years too late, and I hope your career has gone well in the interim.
@tcaramel6175
@tcaramel6175 9 лет назад
Hi ! I recently half fell in love with that song and was searching for the composer, and I found out it was you :). So congratulations for this amazing song and thank you for sharing it freely on youtube. I guess I'll buy the album to show a little support !
@poisen06
@poisen06 8 лет назад
I know the bottom corners are supposed to be his collar and stuff, but I can't help but also see them as hands. The angry half is all 'Y U NO LIVE, SIGNLESS' and the sad half is all 'tfw no gf'.
@bayeeazaeebvia
@bayeeazaeebvia 8 лет назад
+Poison06 cannot unsee
@DragonaxFilms
@DragonaxFilms 8 лет назад
+Poison06 I CAN NEVER LOOK AT THIS THE SAME WAY AGAIN.
@giovana9786
@giovana9786 8 лет назад
Holy shit, I hate you now, man!! I'm never going to see this the same way again! XD
@poisen06
@poisen06 8 лет назад
you cant hate me more than i hate myself
@poisen06
@poisen06 8 лет назад
Geborne thats exactly the same as telling someone to 'just take the knife out it'll heal magically' bud
@mikael766
@mikael766 6 лет назад
Dude, your music is simply amazing..... The way you use and mix each sound and make them complement each other creating even more sounds is amazing!! All that while keeping their own distinct place in the music, each one of the sounds that bring the song together seem so perfect and carefully fitted in it, none of them seem more important than the others, each have their own space to be heard and they never seem repetitive since their always shifting and combining in incredible ways. It doesn't end there your song just keep on adding, changing and inovating in so many ways and the transitions are done in such a smooth way that its mesmerizing too hear. Most music are made of only a handful of sounds, they end up overusing some of them while keeping others on the shadows of the song. They think that just having a good "drop" (which, in my humble opnion,is just a really bad transition) or repeated catchy beats will make it good, but it just makes it less interesting and easily predictable... Your songs are so unpredictable that i just don't know what to thing of whats coming next, i simply want keep on listening to it, and i guess thats the problem of your song... when it ends :C Its just like what Drakatha1337 said "You are one of the most criminally under appreciated [and known] artist I have ever seen in my entire life." You deserve so much more, like, dude your just amazing and I hope you have a lot of sucess in the things you decide to do in your life
@mibadada
@mibadada 3 месяца назад
This song is incredible and every time I think baout Homestuck I think about it
@dbjb40
@dbjb40 10 лет назад
Can I say I love you for this magical song? Would that be wrong?
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 10 лет назад
If that is wrong, I don't want to be right! And therefor: thank you so much, and I love you too
@dbjb40
@dbjb40 10 лет назад
X3
@slipperytummy5532
@slipperytummy5532 3 года назад
this song is illegally good.
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 11 лет назад
Well, it's not, but it's still nice to know the song is doing so well, even on other people's channels :) I appreciate the acknowledgement, moonman
@theglowfishpark
@theglowfishpark 10 месяцев назад
I just want you to know this is probably one of my top 10 most listened to songs ever in my entire life. I love it so much even long long after any interest in homestuck has faded for me I come back to this song all the time. Just one of the best songs I've ever had the pleasure of encountering. Thank you thank you thank you
@Nepeta-Leijon
@Nepeta-Leijon Месяц назад
this is genuinely one of my fave songs ever
@juliavanstraaten1646
@juliavanstraaten1646 10 лет назад
This is my favourite song from Colours and Mayhem Universe A. Thank you for writing this amazing song. ;-;
@edwinbeta2806
@edwinbeta2806 9 лет назад
Honestly one of my favorite songs ever, and I heard it two years ago. This song is amazing, and never ceases in flooring me completely with how wonderful it is
@howlingarmadillo
@howlingarmadillo 10 лет назад
Just bought this disc, and was trying to figure out where I'd heard this before, finally realized I couldn't place it because it was in the animation that ended early. Here's hoping that the animation is played out in full at some point after the gigapause.
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 10 лет назад
Aye, that would be satisfying. I'm not getting my hopes up though (I am).
@mewr8589
@mewr8589 9 лет назад
The first time I heard this song I cried because it is so brilliant, it's still one of my favourites to this day. Thank you so much for making this :)
@valmetcat8042
@valmetcat8042 Месяц назад
I know the the song was originally for Bec. But it just made me love The Psiioniic way more than anyone should. Genuinely one of the most tragic characters in the comics and the fact he was still alive until hivebent while everyone he cared about is dead and long gone. Just oof wish we had more nepeta interactions with rest of the descendants from Signless’ group. Glad we got some Sollux Kanaya and Karkat interactions at least
@SkittlesTheLoveNinja
@SkittlesTheLoveNinja 8 лет назад
this is such an amazing song!! definitely one of my favorites, i can't stop listening!! (no really, i've already listened to it five times in the past hour.) for some reason it kind of reminds me of the dreams i've been having lately... but who cares?? it's a good song. even if it is from homestuck. (not that i'm a hater, i just haven't really gotten into homestuck.)
@OrchidAlloy
@OrchidAlloy 7 лет назад
Brilliant! Thank you!
@yeaitsmeee3887
@yeaitsmeee3887 8 лет назад
This song deserves more than 700 likes, like seriously. This is beautiful.
@AK19204
@AK19204 11 месяцев назад
I just discovered your channel a few days ago, your composition style is very unique, and I love all of your songs lol. This one is my favorite :>
@Karoth313
@Karoth313 10 лет назад
I really like the texture and mix of analog and digital. Really clean production. Also diggin' the whole build/release crescendo thing going on. Good stuff.
@alitlecreacher6077
@alitlecreacher6077 9 лет назад
Probably one of the best tracks from the entire webcomic! X3 Keep up the good work bro!
@mindanbi2992
@mindanbi2992 10 лет назад
I love this sooo much!x-x
@chillaryclinton3552
@chillaryclinton3552 9 лет назад
Love This Sooo Much!
@FluffySashaUwU
@FluffySashaUwU 9 лет назад
I love it :3
@chrislee261
@chrislee261 8 лет назад
This is one of my favorite songs from all the Homestuck Albums, thanks for contributing it.
@LeonardMeltsner
@LeonardMeltsner 9 лет назад
I'm learning this on the piano and it's just so incredibly beautiful. You're an amazing composer.
@owgirl
@owgirl 11 лет назад
Congrats on being in Homestuck~!~!~!~! This has been one of my favorite songs since the album was released and being in such an awesome flash was a very warm welcoming back from the hiatus~!
@JoseMLopezCepero
@JoseMLopezCepero 11 лет назад
I can't stop listening to this - it's my favourite song of c&mUA. Great work!
@VitaEmerald324
@VitaEmerald324 4 года назад
Pure majesty. I’ve actually listened to this so much on the Homestuck Bandcamp that it pretty much always will tell me to buy it when I try to listen to it there.
@toomuchtime4896
@toomuchtime4896 3 года назад
I know I'm probably late to the party but this is awsome and you're awesome and people who listen to this are awesome too!!
@biancan3944
@biancan3944 8 лет назад
y u no make more music? ;-; you talented person ;-;
@biancan3944
@biancan3944 8 лет назад
+First Turn Fold yes, i will listen. thanks for telling me that you are on soundcloud. C:
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 8 лет назад
Oh, but I do! ---- soundcloud.com/first-turn-fold/eighteen-thirty-hours
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 8 лет назад
+NapNep San Thank YOU for being awesome :D
@arcticwolflover1636
@arcticwolflover1636 8 лет назад
what do you use to make music cause i wanna make some for oc's i have
@gabs2740
@gabs2740 7 лет назад
+arctic Wolf Lover late, but the most popular music app is probably fl studio? you can find the pirated version somewhere i don't know otherwise, i'd recommend garage band and importing some samples into there, it's hard but you'll find basic instruments and short songs already there.
@Scribbled2Death
@Scribbled2Death 3 года назад
I come back to listen to this every once-in-a-while and the build-up for this is still so fucking good
@nathansolo1346
@nathansolo1346 11 лет назад
I love you, I repeat this song a million times since 1 year ejjee, greetings from Mexico
@marse14456
@marse14456 9 лет назад
i still listen to this on a weekly/daily basis
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 11 лет назад
Oh my word, That is really really awesome! I never got to do anything that cool in color theory :/ I think you might be able to PM me a link if you'd be willing, I would absolutely love to see it!
@judy77pf
@judy77pf 11 лет назад
OMG! im from Chile too, and i hear this song recently, its my fav song of Colours and Mayhem x3
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 11 лет назад
Thank you! I'm so pleased you continue to enjoy it after all this time!
@iagodoslago9875
@iagodoslago9875 7 лет назад
*praising you* This is the best song of the album and one of the best from hs imo
@RoadsofSolace
@RoadsofSolace 11 лет назад
This is absolutely my favorite homestuck song. Props to you sir
@dersenart
@dersenart 8 лет назад
No, wow! You did it?!? Wow, just... wow! It was the other day when I first heard it (in the animation of A6A6I1, indeed) and I immediately fell in love with this song. It relaxes me and yeah, I agree, it fits well with both Bec and the Psiioniic, though I tend to think of the latter when I listen to it. Anyway, good job! ;)
@user5612304
@user5612304 11 лет назад
This song is my favorite out of the entire album. I always listen to it. Though I haven't been able to watch the animation (stupid phone) I was listening to it when I was reading the update. Keep up the good work with the awesome music
@ciaramorris4784
@ciaramorris4784 8 лет назад
This gives me life. It also got my friend into Homestuck. ;D This is amazing and I love it, it's one of my favorite songs of all time.
@Klaiis
@Klaiis 11 лет назад
i loooooooooooove the cover art!
@MsRainbowlishious
@MsRainbowlishious 10 лет назад
this is my favorite out of all of them tbh
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 10 лет назад
I'm honored, my friend
@ReginLeif
@ReginLeif 10 лет назад
I freakin' love this song. Great job
@AppleIPie
@AppleIPie 3 года назад
Such an ear worm
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 11 лет назад
Thanks yamato! It was pretty surprising, and fun to find out it had been used!
@tazothwithano5123
@tazothwithano5123 9 лет назад
First Turn Fold It shouldnt have come to you as a surprise that this made it into the Homestuck animation. This is incredible and you really have skill, and your vocals are amazing too! This has to be my favorite song from the comic, or at least one of them.
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 11 лет назад
Thank you! I've really gotten into doing pixel art recently, and I had the concept for this come to me in a flash of inspiration.
@epik465
@epik465 7 лет назад
Well done on making it into a flash
@firstturnfold
@firstturnfold 11 лет назад
Thank you so much! I'm glad it brings you joy, and that it fits its new role well :D
@saporana4231
@saporana4231 4 года назад
You did a great job :D
@pageanims2778
@pageanims2778 7 лет назад
So you are the man behind the song. :D I really like the song and I'm glad hussie chose this song. Thanks for making a song of space(get it cause jade was picked).
@rizkiiro
@rizkiiro 9 лет назад
This is my daily ear drugs, kudos to First Turn Fold for writing the song. I wuv u. c:
@jerefied
@jerefied 5 лет назад
awesome mate, you deserved your spot in the comic :p
@noahbrasmonteirozino8703
@noahbrasmonteirozino8703 8 лет назад
one of, if not my favourite HS song
@dummy.2092
@dummy.2092 3 года назад
Anyone else think that they look like they’re drooling?
@Zarla88
@Zarla88 5 лет назад
Still listening to this in 2018 it’s one of my favorite songs in Homestuck! So amazing :)
@Zarla88
@Zarla88 3 года назад
2021 and still listening to this haha
@autoquandary
@autoquandary 8 лет назад
Still the most beautiful song I've ever heard
@TiredEyePilot
@TiredEyePilot 2 года назад
So how have you been the past 8 years?
@Starlit_Charlotte
@Starlit_Charlotte Месяц назад
10 now
@mementolin
@mementolin 11 лет назад
I feel really bad, because I used to kind of tune out during this song when I listened to coloUrs and mayhem Universe A, but when it actually played in the flash, I finally listened to it all the way through. It's a great song that I ended up having fun writing a story around (Not a homestuck one though) As for the "Missing Four Minutes," I'd love to see how they fit, as the song can at times be... maybe not "Happy" but peaceful, and considering the few glitch panels we got, it wouldn't fit.
@EnderTux
@EnderTux 9 лет назад
if this song had no title I would assume this would be from OFF's soundtrack! that's how awesome and official this sounds!!
@bayeeazaeebvia
@bayeeazaeebvia 9 лет назад
Ender Tux OFF's soundtracks are more haunting, in my opinion
@eusinicotina
@eusinicotina 10 лет назад
I'm ridiculously disillusioned by the fact that this song was written for bec lol....when I first heard the song, like I read the title and then heard the part at the beginning where it kinda phases through channels and such, and thought WHOA HOLY CRAP but yeah, idk. Now that I think about it makes sense either way. Anyway, my favourite song in the entire soundtrack!!! wow. Just really good.
@diaster66
@diaster66 8 лет назад
This song is beautiful and fits psiioniics well. :') i think it has the right feel of living a lonely half-life powering a ship for near eternity.
@robinlewis5477
@robinlewis5477 9 лет назад
This is my most favorite song in all of Homestuck.
@alainyoung3878
@alainyoung3878 5 лет назад
Why does the Helmsman have the coolest theme in the series? why?? he only shows up for two pages!
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