Five Great Game Improvement Ideas That Backfired - Rainbow Six Siege 

Removing recruit from Ranked. It didn't break Siege. But it broke my heart.

"fixed" camera/player perspective

The addition of the Gonne 6 to under picked characters and using it as a replacement for Frags on characters like Doke, Zero, and Finka. Also the apparent need to REMOVE secondary weapon options from characters because it’s too op for Gridlock to have a shotgun, pistol, and Gonne 6 option (even though they can only bring one in per match). I consider the Gonne 6 implementation as a complete failure overall. “Let’s get under preforming operators as new secondary option that will help them clear utility, but let’s take some frag grenades away to help them, bc this option is much too powerful to combo with frags. This should also help these characters clear out Jager and Wamai’s gadgets, hopefully to decrease their pick rate. This definitely works bc we’ll give this Gonne 6 one shot that can still be disabled by Jager and Wamai.” The Gonne 6 is just such a backfired failure of a implementation imo. They need to give it 2 shots, make it immune to Jager and Wamai’s gadgets, or potentially both. All I know it ppl just mostly use it on castle barricades and it’s just to breach and enter quickly. Not once have I seen it used the way it was fully intended.

I was going to say the games launch

Shrapnel (you can be killed by walking under nade) and yellow marks(instant tracking without any feedback )

Exactly my thoughts.

Boy oh boy that’s why I’m hyped for crystal guard, lotsa buffs and barely any nerfs

Yeah, if an operator is overpicked without being overperforming that shouldn't lead to a nerf.

@@z1u512 bruh what buffs? Sledge is losing his smg for no reason, who is getting any remarkable buff?

Facts. Nerfs that just make characters unfun are why I mostly stopped playing.

Jager and ash werent balanced at all.

@@AkiraIsMissing jager was a touchy case as you can't exactly nerf him into the ground when he was the only "catcher" but now his pick rates are more due to comfort. Ash has had many issues in the past with complaints about her hit box, but ash was never extremely op just above average, which did entail the recoil nerf which is manageable. Zof got hit so hard that the smg 12 feels more comfortable to me. This also hits Fuze, even though he has such a low pick and win rate but ubi would rather curb the usability of the AK to tone down ace's pick rate

@@tylergeuens9436 Honestly, the zo nerf was completely uncalled for, but the ace nerf is something I can justify, either they give fuze a different gun or give ace a different gun

@@AkiraIsMissing agreed, the AK suits Fuze well as a 1 speed but that's why on Twitter I did suggest that ace rather get a different gun

Sledge? Literally no reason to nerf him

New ones are better

@@nachocheez9690 no they are much worse

@@gurv7469 they remind me of the “no please don't turn me into an oversimplified logo”

@@nachocheez9690 I hope this is a joke or else there's a human walking around with that aesthetic taste.

@@m.streicher8286 whatever. It looks cleaner than the old ones and are easier on the eyes but go on

I have like plat 3 3200 casual MMR. So i play mostly ranked plats and i have even seen some champions while i am a low gold player in Ranked even being silver most of last season. So i am still asking myself why i am not playing ranked against low gold but instead unranked against mostly lvl200-300 plats. The only thing i can do is get a friend and roll the dice of the scuffed matchmaking. I am lvl 167 btw. Its sooo bad.

Same, but in South Africa we can't play unranked as there are not enough pc players on the server

Casual got MMR?

Casual mmr in general is an awful idea. My B1 55lvl friend is G3 in casual smh

@@tylergeuens9436 a friend of mine recommended I try it to prepare for ranked. A phone call and lunch break later, still no matches. It was the same for newcomer, dont know if it still is though.

The problem was never his gadget, the number of champion level players I saw end a round without placing a single ADS is crazy

@@gamebotsonline it’s a combo of his gadget with the AR, simplest gun to use in the game coupled with arguably the best gadget on defense, his gun was fine after the first 2 nerfs, his gadget is what needed to be changed the most, nothing else

@@gamebotsonline The problem is his gadget as it basically counters major part of attacker gadgets. You can always pick Jäger and have a usefull gadget and it's effectiveness goes most of the time unnoticed in the heat of the round, but simply having an ADS has won you more rounds than you'd think. It's also noteworthy that his gadget can be used with full potential during the prep phase, meaning you're just a gun for the rest of the round. His gun isn't or hasn't been anything special. It's good sure, but not overpowered by any means. I can see it being effective on console where hitting consistent headshots isn't that relevant, but on PC having a high RPM weapon is just better. He'll always have a high pick rate and nerfing his weaponry is just stupid way to aproach the situation as it's not the problem. You could remove the primary completely and it'd still be used in higher ranks.

@@sbow2892 Well I agree that higher rpm weps are preferable especially for pc players, easy to use, low recoil guns is better overall, and jager had a easy to control gun with decent rpm and a versatile gadget.

Balancing based on pick rate instead of win rate is idiotic.

Well, warden is gonna be really good now

Why try to raise the bar when you can lower it? Right Ubisoft?

@@crazygameplays1863 When was the last time a gadget was nerfed?

aye, don’t sleep on my mustache man warden

@@chuckiejoseph4979 Yes, actually, ying is now strong, and as a ying main, I get hard countered by warden.

I feel like nerfing operators weapons can be good in certain situations, however it seems that recently Ubisoft has become far to reliant on them. Ash and Jager weapon nerf make sense to me, because a lot of people used them for the gun. Ace, sledge, fuze, and zofia weren’t needed as other options could have worked.

That’s not just the casual community mate, we higher ranked and more comp centric people also hate when they remove everything that’s fun and balanced

@@carllarc487 Ace should bever have been given the AK-12 on the first place, and the moment he got it I knew there was going to be problems; The AK-12 is fine on Fuze because he's a big, slow, loud 3 armor operator with a gadget that doesn't really do anything yo help his gun; meanwhile Ace is a powerful 2 Speed *hard breacher* who can create his osn shooting galleries. who thought even for a second that giving him the absolute best gun in the game would be a good idea? Also, I'm sure all the plat players who used Sledge a lot (because of him being fun) will hate to see him get nerfed despite not being overperforming.

I would also add the emotional attachment. Example, Sledge is loosing his iconic SMG-11. I never heard a complain about how strong it was, I only heard that it was fun to play him with this and the shotgun. They nerf based on data that ios based on attacking the same fucking sites over and over. There is nothing really reliable in this data. Also, people ban the operators more according to their comfort zone.

@@carllarc487 if they are using operators for the gun, it’s even more illogical to nerf a gun. The fix would be to swap the gun with a less used operator, instead of nerfing the gun. E.g. swap guns with Kapkan and jager.

Or maybe lock banning option for the new map for at least 2 weeks

A game would take over an hour then

That's a good idea for a tournament kinda game mode But if its for ranked firstly it would take ages to complete one and secondly it makes the grinding a lot more difficult

@@AmirYsf pretty sure they meant 5 map options instead of the 3 we have now

Just choosing between 4 would get the odds really high

It was overly complicated

zofia's withstand was a little broken, sure but i loved stuff like echo not being affected by dokkaebi, it was a tiny little thing that wouldn't decide a match, but it gives the characters backstory and a little more personality

@@tonyflamingosucks6590 That's not a valid criticism, it's a parroted opinion.

@@m.streicher8286 well I didn’t ask but it’s not a “parroted opinion” it was just an extra thing that they didn’t clearly communicate well and it didn’t add anything valuable to the game. Yeah it only worked a few times but its stupid to give already amazing operators random abilities like that. I wouldn’t be opposed to them creating a few new passive abilities and putting them on operators for balance reasons but they would need to clearly communicate it

@@m.streicher8286 and just so you know I’ve been playing this game for 4 years and I’ve always had the same opinion ;)

Rainbow six may be garbage, but it’s our garbage

Our garbage that we play because we can lean left as well as right.

Dude this game fucking sucks you guys still have it installed?

@@Spongeb0bSquar3pants lol bad

People think the game sucks because they are trying to force it to be something it's not supposed to And they don't play the game for what it is

The description barely explains anything.

@@takutolovex can you read he clearly said “all they had to do was make them know in their description”

Passives are dumb if they are purely operator based IMO. Why is this specific OP able to do that when logically this other OP can do the same, AKA Withstand. What makes Zofia so special? It’s not lore based because if it was then surely the elite Sam Fisher would be able to do the same. I could say the same for Aruni’s arm but at least that has some explanation. If they were to implement having passives in Siege, it needs to be based in the Class of OP. E.g, 3 armours can withstand, Hard Breachers feel less screenshake or smth.

@@speedyazi5029 no. the whole point of seperate ops is that they have different abilities. What's wrong with adding a little personality to some ops?

@@jacksonbakker9060 it's a competitive esports game, nobody gives a shit about the "personality" of operators. I couldn't care less if the bio section of every operator is removed. Saves the devs a lot of time and money by firing the writers.

Come back for Crystal Guard, it's gunna be a good one next season.

@@Nick_Lima954 Sledge is literally losing his smg 11

@@Nick_Lima954 Next season does not fix the core issues with the game for the average player. Players are still MMR locked out of playing with friends (going back to 1k would help a lot). They are still making guns harder to use and therefore less fun. Cheaters are still rampant (I lost 137 elo the other night which for me means that in 1 night I beat 3 cheaters at this point in the season). Jackal and Thatcher have been 60+% ban rate for over a year. The map pool is still stale AF (Favela is not ranked ready for the same reason Bartlett isn't in the map pool). We haven't had a new map in 2 years. I love this game, but man they legit are just letting it rot and trying to band aid fix the game every 3 months.

Don't worry the game has been on a constant decline since you left.

@@michaellopez9733 they’re literally removing mmr locked lmao

Okay boomer

Most stuff isnt raising the individual skill ceiling anyway

They've been dumbing things down for a while now, roughly 2 years. Maybe time to give it another go if you like games that are in decline.

those passive and interactions were great, not a single one was difficult to understand and all of them were good for the game individually, and most importantly they were fun

@@calebbarnhouse496 and see thats how you find out that conserative players just want the game to stay the same

@@cashmoney3801 the game always had lots of problems, but getting rid of good features isn't the answer, ever

@@calebbarnhouse496 i believe so too

They were never invisible, they’re transparent, not the same thing but I get what you mean

So you quit in year 1?

@@knightmarecx2069 Exactlyh they are transluscent not invisible. It was more fun to have something the player must identify with more carefulness than anything. Lesion was made to counter the shield rush meta that was common back in the days.

@Woolier Blueberry what you actually mean: people got better after year one and you weren't good enough to compete

@Woolier Blueberry definetly sounds like a person who can't get any better and starts complaining about "game mechanics". You do make a good point about cheating tho. That shit is just straight up annoying

Yea, their bs code detects squads mmr, can easily detect if you q with a banned cheater. Rollback should cap mmr won on 25 since it wasn’t a legit game. So if you win 80 you lose 55. Unless you q with the cheater then you lose all of it. And the losers it’s fine, they are just getting back mmr from a “cancelled” match. However, if the cheater team lost, winners DONT get rollback and losers that didn’t q with cheater get refund.

You know what, that's a great idea. You can still play together if you can handle the burden instead of being locked outright

And then narrow down choices by selection-I really like this idea idk why it was not mentioned before...

They still should let us pick wtf map we want. I'm tired of the bs.

@@nathanielpettersen2560 I mean for casual play that’s kinda hard-that’s like tryna choose a map for CoD for matchmaking but both games do have like days or events to play certain maps ie. when siege has a new map we get the chance to just play that map specifically or when an event drops like legacy ops event where only Plane, original Hereford and Artic while CoD has their Nuke Town mayhem and whatnot

@@nathanielpettersen2560 You know that would have the unintended (or intended depending on who wants it) consequence of having five stacks always have the map that they are good at selected and probably only that map, or the current problem but only way worse because chances are you will also only face the same opponents in that map.

I personally think that there should be some sort of algorithm in the game that records how frequently all the maps are being played and the more a map is being played, the map will appear less frequently in the 3 maps in the ban phase. So if Clubhouse is being played in 7 out of every 10 games, it will appear less frequently in the ban phase, which will mean players get to select and play a different map out of the 3 available.

We should play the maps we want in unranked and ranked aswell. Zero reason for not doing it. Cs go has it. And its perfect.

Funny thing is that it already exists for "Training Grounds" under the matchmaking options (I think that was called).

This was a thing back in the day with what game mode you played in ranked. People would only select secure area though since it was the easiest way to rank up and they removed it.

@@KazuoLucas previously in year 2 and 3 you could chose your maps in the same place for multi-player and they took that away a while back so it did used to be a thing but now it's only available for TG now

@@nucleardrifting3864 that's what I am referring to. I want that to be re implemented if not for ranked and unranked due to the map ban phase already existing now but at least for casual

Totaly agree

I think this new direction is one of the major reason why Siege has lost so many players over the last year. Sure, mini technical improvements will make the game better over time but they don't really do much in terms of keeping players engaged. For the majority of players, the thinned out release schedule just makes the game stale

Instead they're taking away content that changes the way we play the game

@@Rogue9 It's also hard to get back into the game too for every season now because they're putting all the ops into battlepasses. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who likes Rainbow, but doesn't play it enough and have enough fun grinding out a battlepass to 100 when it's hard just trying to find a fun reason to play. I like the new attackers abilities and everything, but do I really want to waste $10-20 for a operator just because she's in a battlepass that I won't get past 30 before I put the game down till the next season?

@@desiringgold there is a week where the new op is available if you own the battle pass. Then it is released fully. It was the same before the battle passed, people who got vip for the year had each op first. Nothing changed, and you are over reacting.

There's nothing more frustrating than destroying your own fuze charge with the last fuze charge that just went off

pros are not at fault for ubi being trash

Your super right dude. It's stupid the fact that everyone enjoyed playing Jager so they nerfed him. A games longevity and lifespan come from enjoying the game, and if you listen to any community figure who isn't "pro" right now, then you'll see no on enjoys the game anymore. Doing things like what they did to tachanka is what they should focus on, instead of ruining the operators that are fun to play, make the ones people don't enjoy fun. They keep fucking over the casual players who play video games for entertainment and fun because they're too busy picking favorites and trying to help to pro and high ranked scene photos players who play for a living, or like it's their life. It's gonna be a shame when in the next couple years everyone but the pros stop playing this game, and it does completely. The entire point of games is fun, but ubi would rather have a game requires dedicating your whole life to it over a game that you can pick up, play, and enjoy after playing maybe an hour. Sorry to ramble, but it genuinely pisses me off to see a game I've put so much time into start falling apart, and drive it's players away when back in wind bastion when I started it was so much fun.

Thanks, will do!

I see so many people saying that they want to play new maps, and so do I, but whenever i join a game everyone always bans the new maps. Like i just want to play favela man.

Definitely, I already checked the menu numbers earlier today and will be running some tests now to confirm that everything works as they announced it. Videos on the new damage soon!

@@Rogue9 thank you, you legitimately make my siege experience better :)

I literally had a stunt where I started the game one day, got two back to back Coastline matches where I got my ass ate out while my teammates just ran around doing nothing but trolling each other. Quit, got off for the day, started again the next day to work on my battlepass. Got coastline three times in a row immediately upon starting unranked. Like how. How the fuck. I like coastline, but I don't like any of the game's maps enough to play them 5 times in a row, let alone three in one day. Maybe except casual plane, but I have yet to have that happen.

I wasn't a fan of Club House before that. After that, I straight up left matches when I saw it during map bans

@@rattusmaximus1970 Don't blame you. It's one thing playing a map you don't enjoy, but god damn. No one should have to deal with that torture.

how do you know it just started

Intuition and trust ☺

@@Rogue9 fair enough

Exactly 😄 better than screaming "first" I thought

Rogue didn't say they were, but rather, that the skill ceiling was raised *because* of them.

The passives had nothing actually wrong with them. The claim that they made the game too complex is ridiculous when you consider things like ambiguous barre attachments and map destruction.

The MMR reverting to a MMR achieved in season is bugged and will sometimes push you forward but not by much. 2 seasons ago I only achieved plat 1 but for some reason MMR pushed me into diamond after 1 game was flagged. After 100's of games on many accounts I still can not see a pattern to this and what determines the subsequent MMR boost.

I think ubisoft is with me on this idea which is making every ops 2 armor 2 speed Its a sweet spot in my opinion, all the new ops are being 2 speed is an indicator of this

@@gorkemaykut5230 it does seem like a good idea but then they also make those same ops have guns are strong like osa having jackals smg. They haven’t had an original new gun in awhile it has literally just been a gun that already exists

If you can't control the recoil, why continue using the gun?

Or just make new maps unbannable until mid season and only be allowed to be banned if Ubi hot fixes the map due to the community deeming it bad.

Just remove the voting when it's a new one like it used to work

I like how Caveira can avoid Jackal’s ability

Genius. But if they can't do this for streamer mode, there has to be something in the coding that makes it difficult. (Or super lazy devs). I've heard the game has been coded in 2 different languages and this makes it such a mess to work with.

@@alkestos yes, but ubi decided that they want to do the coding like that and now hands it to another team so ik its hard for the new team, but this is still now excuse for not being able to do this within 2 seasons. Furthermore, this problem is easier to solve if they made a new game...... Siege 2, but that's not happening

what the fuck 1200?