Fixing Melee (again) 

And now he's gone forever, Quick find more jank

Gotta tell him to fix Roy dash attack animation

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just use crazyhand its pretty easy u can do it urself

...again!

BWHAAAH WAAHB WAHAAAAAHHAAHHH!!! *Sound of character dying in the abyss*

You have a point

I don't know, probably because sound design is part of the editing process..?

@@HopefullyNotYou No they don't

@@sirbibton you ever eat a mattress before

glad im not the only one that caught onto that shade lmao

Lol, I didn't catch that until your comment.

Ytho y shade cmon man

i just got the joke XD

I feel like "Here is another singular dimensional mistake in Melee, and here is her upsmash" would have landed slightly smoother

You're my favorite melee player aMSa

Your suffering shall no longer be silenced

I absolutely love this channel, completely agree.

@Just Dope No.

Hi slowking lmao

@Just Dope lmao bot

@Just Dope Me when drunk

right? and lord knows how different it would be if it were allowed to be developed fully without any deadline. would it be better? worse? what does that even mean?

Had had

@@ono446 And yet it is a perfectly acceptable use of the language. English is weird.

Isn’t that what PAL version is

@@Super_Suchi truly the inferior version.

The true Falcon Johns is that there hasn't been a new F-Zero game since 2003.

@@awkwardcultism Exactly. It's hard to take on the mentality of a futuristic racing champion when you're stuck driving a beat-up clunker with an ancient engine that's 20 years old. (Don't be angry, GX, baby! You know I didn't mean it!)

True

This is his last video

early

@Just Dope bruh

True

Aww 🥰

i learned everything this guy said in high school but it didn't take me four years

@@loogi_is_die i dont know what your comment means my man

casual AsumSaus editing, yeah

You can still constantly do it with the second hitbox

@Plume Brisée It does work but it sends at a more horizontal angle which makes back air a better choice if you can land it in similar situations. Tipman is a semi-spike which sends at a much lower angle and allows for much stronger gimps either from ledge or juggling positions that none of his other hitboxes can achieve.

It's already fucking huge, behave lmaoooo

@@alibissbm4086 Hey, would've been COOL never said it would have been needed.

Tbf, arms should be longer than tongues

Melee

Smash Ultimate

Nanomachines, son

Fancy meeting you here

Most definitely sold his soul

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Same 👀

Currently watching at work... 👀

**Crash**

honestly modding RoA sounds so hard because you have to just *know* how to design and function a character trying to make it without any mistakes

It's truly terrifying to imagine how good Falcon would've been with tipman. Edge guarding isn't his strong suit so that would really help one of his weakest areas. Ledge hop upair would be devastating on people recovering.

@@Zxv975 As someone who only just started playing Melee and is a dual Captain Falcon/Ganondorf main, does Ganondorf having a Tipman make him better at edge guarding than Falcon?

Also, with the Tipman, would Captain Falcon become Top 5, or would it not affect him to that extent?

@@Soulraven2735 superficially and at entry level play, yes. Ganon's upair, jab and fair are very strong at beating predictable recoveries. However, Ganon is mid tier for a reason. Once your opponents get good enough to the point where their recoveries won't be as predictable then suddenly Ganon won't be able to keep up. This is when Falcon's tools (weak knee, rising stomp, bair mostly) will become better, because Falcon as a high tier just has more options to deal with better opponents. The options Falcon has are harder to execute so it won't be obvious that they're better until you've quite good at the game and are consistently facing strong opponents that require strong tools to deal with them. I think it's great that you're dual maining at this point. When you start out it's important to just do whatever is fun to engage with the game and keeps you playing. I'd recommend just keeping in mind that if you ever hit a plateau where you feel like Ganon just cannot keep up then that's probably not your imagination, and you might have outgrown the character at that point. It will also always be good to have him as a pocket pick for specific matchups/players, and this means you can avoid playing into Ganon's unwinnable matchups (Fox, Marth & Falcon, arguably Sheik and Falco but those aren't quite as bad).

@@Soulraven2735 that's an interesting follow up question, but I don't think so. It would be great for him and make him overall stronger, but the main issue that Falcon actually has isn't edge guarding, it's neutral, disadvantage and recovery. Falcon has enough tools currently to edgeguard perfectly proficiently (he is definitely the worst high tier character at it, but still miles better than mid or low tiers), they are just harder to utilise. Even though Falcon would become better, he is already solidly 6th on the tier list. I can't see a case for why he would be above Sheik (especially considering recent Sheik dominance), he could *maybe* be better than Falco to obtain the 5th spot exactly, but there will always be a clear tier difference between him and the god tier characters (Fox & Marth) and he will always be worse than Jiggs.

yeah but nintendo would station snipers around your house before throwing a molotov through your window if you tried to play a nintendo game with a mod

I feel like this would create more problems then it fixes. It would divide the community between implementing fixes and no fixed melee, and top players may have differing opinions so they may only choose to compete in tournaments which agree with their opinions. This would have knock on effects to local scenes and also yearly rankings as tournaments with vastly differing rulesets and metagames need to be accounted for. Fizzi would also have to choose between keeping the old version or changing to the new one for Slippi, probably promoting outrage. I think, even with all the broken, janky dogshit melee has, it doesn't need to be changed. At least not in this way.

@@plonzz Top players are already split on attending or not attending tourneys with either enabled or disabled frozen stadium so this is already a can of worms that's been opened.

@@queuedjar4578 they really aren't

I don't think the characters should be changed for standard tournament play, but it'd be awesome to be able to easily apply these mods within projects like Slippi or Akaneia. That's essentially how the Doom community works - there's options for purists, people who want to turn the game into something entirely different - and everyone inbetween :D

With 3D models operating in a 2D plane, you can either model collision in the 3D world or flatten it (or even separate it entirely) into a 2D world. You could argue benefits and drawbacks for both approaches. The 2D approach can get you more consistent results, particularly when character models and animations are a bit free with their 3rd dimension use (like Yoshi moving his head so far off the 2D plane.) At the same time, you lose those realistic variations that 3D collision creates, like Yoshi being able to dodge some attacks *because* he moves his head so far from the 2D plane. You can get 2D collisions that look acceptable for most cases, but which look really bad for certain scenarios or models. Take a hypothetical example of a character that extends his arm at a 45 degree angle to the 2D plane. A "thin" attack (like a laser bolt) traveling along the 2D plane would rather visibly never hit that arm, but a "wide" attack like a horizontal slash or large spherical explosion might hit the arm even if the character's torso is out of range. If you want to implement a 2D-only collision system, then do you treat the arm as collidable or not? If you do, then you will also be creating new balance concerns. If you don't, then people will wonder why attacks that clearly envelope the arm still don't hit it. You can see this kind of 3D/2D wonkiness in some 3D fighters that have 2D collision, and even some of the balance concerns. For example, in Street Fighter V you might have to push into the chest of an abnormally large character like Abigail to even get into close attack or throw range, his 2D collision boxes can be much smaller than his 3D model implies. Honestly, 2D fighter hitboxes can look pretty awful when you examine them. It gets even worse once hit and hurt boxes start getting tweaked and rebalanced, but the character animations remain the same. 2D fighters may also use intangibility/invulnerability to inaccurately mimic effects that would have come naturally with 3D collisions. And that doesn't even get into Arc System Works' wonky solution of turning half of someone's body intangible to *specific* attacks just to create a desired behavior. (Seriously, if you feel the need to turn someone's entire upper body intangible so their jab can successfully function as an anti-air, then you really should instead be rethinking why you want a *horizontal* jab to function as an anti-air in the first place.)

And now he is gone…forever

@@Magic_Ice The Fire Nation is due for an attack any day now

Well in 2d, x and y can either be horizontal and vertical (Super Mario Bros), or both horizontal (Legend of Zelda). So I guess it's based on the latter

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