FLATS AND JAY3 Overwatch ULTIMATES Tier List 

Primal on a great winston feels oppressive as hell tbh. But at the same time if they aren’t amazing or even if they are serviceable one mistake is 1000 ult charge and you are deleted immeditely

@@soloqoph5805 not if they have brig

Unless you are Fearless or Smurf, primal is prety useless.

@@shrekglitterfest Idk brigs not that bad, you just cant get solo kills. Instead just bring enemies towards your team or off cliffs.

Winston press E so you die half a sec slower

aren't you the guy who hated basil?

Ratio

Flats, butter is absolutely awful on breads. Texas Roadhouse, Outback, etc. you march right into that place and pick up a roll and eat that bitch lol. No butter needed. I’m with Jay on this one

As much as I love your content (and how fire that jersey looks on you), your fast food tier list was low-key blasphemy lol.

@@livefreeprintguns have you seen his pizza topping list?

IKR. I’m like a gold DPS player and I noticed that.

I’m bronze and even I said “that’s not grav” 😂

Honestly doesn’t matter what rank you guys are, but you do you I guess

I think its pretty accurate. I would probably put widows down and syms up. What do you think is bad about it

I made a list with samito before, if you were a true fan. You'd know instead of just making suggestions like this... Sad sad sad

@@Jay3 i know you guys made, but that is a long time ago

@@Jay3 sad sad

THIS

They forgot even the first ult, matrix.

and they forgot genji reflect, the most OP ult

@@eyesofdeath01 reflect?

You're right they did

Everyone knows it’s game changing

True

man his ult is OP no need to talk about it.

Which one? immortality or window?

It's not a fair comparison though. Like you can't get the full value of rally by copying Brig, because building the ult is hard and requires you to int on a defensive hero, plus the timer will end it. Plus a huge part of how strong rally is is that you give armour to your dps. But when copying Brig you're down a dps. And for other ults like nano or something, echo ult builds way slower so you have to take that into account. Finally echo ult is the most likely ult to get zero value in the game. E.G., You're way more likely to get focused down and die before you can build e.g. Grav when copying Zarya than to get your Grav eaten as actual Zarya. If that happens you're getting no value. It's a strong ult which would be broken but it has massive obvious drawbacks. I think impactful is fair.

@@Nyxtia yeah but the same applies to brig really, you can just be focused down before you are able to get any value

@@mcuniboob well kinda, but the difference is that as Echo you're forced to hard engage as non-rally Brig to try build ult to then get a couple seconds of rally Brig. As normal Brig you're not forced to hard engage until after you've built rally, at which point your survivability is way higher. Also if you survive as Brig you get the whole rally obviously. As echo you probably don't.

yesyesyes

Exactly this. Cause any ult that is game changing she copies. It's definitely game changing

or just 2 tapping it on most dps lol

Tank Zen

350 health zen casually deleting the enemy team

As you should

I wouldn't mind a decrease to his damage if it came with maybe a slight speed increase to his projectiles

Not really You can get a pick or scare off people with high noon With primal the chances if dying are high

impactful imo

Honestly I still think nano visor is way more consistent than nano blade. Blade is high risk high reward, but visor is low risk medium reward

@@jbwon2775 nanoblade is not high risk if you don't use it at stupid times... vizor is probably the worst ult in the game

Blade deserves more

Deadeye is better since it one shots if locked on, and also breaks shields if enough people are behind them, of course terrain is the biggest thing against it but that also applies to visor, but visor struggles against shields a lot more

The thing is, when you shoot with Deadeye you have increased fire rate in relation to your regular pistol and obviously deal way more damage, plus it has flexibility as it can be used as an instant reload and whatnot, Visor is mostly useless at high ranks because the only thing it improves is your aim and that's already pretty much perfect on any Soldier player, plus its minor side effects are not useful enough

Nothing changed xD

no heros have been released since LOL

@@Jay3 its sad that thats the truth lmao

@@YAOOOOOOOO966 yea, they are making overwatch 2

Also the most satisfying one

well thats flats he is pretty rude and always thinks hes right

Agree Idk why he is bming

Riptire isn't as strong in most games because of 5v5. It's still strong, but... Widow ult is wallhacks on an overpowered sniper with no real counter. You have to remember the character the ult is on as well.

Lmao same

My interpretation is echo doesn't necessarily secure the ult though. Even though it's faster ult charge, you still have to actually get there first before you die. You can copy the wrong person with someone jumping in front of the target you wanted/misclicking, and the impactfulness of the ult depends on how good one of the enemies are against their own team. You don't have the surprise factor of say an EMP that comes from nowhere or a flank ult. You have to use your ult correctly, announce to the world while you're doing it and get the ult up while the enemy team is (should be) now focusing you down. it's still insanely powerful but that's just my take on why I can see it being ranked as under game-changing

I think it falls off in higher ranks though, people just have better aim and to get value out of it you have to not be blocked by a shield. It is maybe ok at getting fliers but even then that is highly situational, I think it goes under useless

Anything that needs nano to be useable is useless

Visor hard counters Mercy, Echo, Lucio. You don’t even need nano

@@BSKINGPRODIGY it doesn't hard counter mercy at all. a good mercy is never seen (exaggeration ofc but just making a point). If you're caught in visor, you were out of position or outplayed in skill. In an equal skill match up (not counting low elo since you never count that), as a mercy player you should never be caught in visor and die unless they're boosted -- you should always have the situational awareness and access to cover before regular visor can kill you. The reason why visor is crap is because higher tier players can more consistently get headshots and they don't need the assist to aim with visor.

@@aaroc8201 You really thought this one through I’ll give you that and you’re probably right about high elo but from 2300-2800 My visor always hard counters a valking mercy. I have 62% average accuracy w/ soldier as well.. Also no matter how good your aim is you still don’t get the range buff that new visor gives you compared to reg dmg drop off

I don't even think blade is situational. You NEED to give nano or grav to blade to MAYBE get value out of it. Dry blade is literally just useless and I am sorry that you're ana's are nanoing genji instead of u lmfao

It actually is

How do you sometimes hit more shots with aimbot lmao

Eh, I only ever see people use it as a means to escape, not unlike Doom Fist's ult, or boop someone into a dva bomb from around a corner. I only ever see people pop off with it in montages where someone is smurfing in a bronze or silver lobby

Lol you think flats doesn't know what he's doing?