Flats Reacts To "why overwatch ranked feels so miserable" 

Winning doesnt make you happy, it makes you relieved. Just like league

Actually insane these guys released this ranked system and just left it.

as a casual player, i’m honestly leagues more scared of the card system than the number system. with numbers, i can reasonably guess what will happen after each match, and a loss will only impact me short term. with cards, i lose once, and it stays with me.

I went 4-0 and I was feeling great, thinking I was doing so well, ended the card 5-9. I won 4 times in a row just to get deranked twice. I don't care if I wouldve lost it anyways. Seeing my rank go up gives me a confidence boost and makes me feel like I'm a better player, going 4-0 doesn't give me the same feeling, personally.

At this point, Ranked Mystery Heroes is the only thing keeping me playing ranked because it actually feels semi-close to as much fun as unranked.

i REALLY want the old system back so i just know my rank after every game instead of the dread of trying win 5 games just to not move or derank lmfao

Eskay was so spot on with the stuff about losing 5 games early on, or getting 4 wins then losing 5

The fix to the update system while keeping it around is pretty simple: Just update after 5 games. Period. You then know exactly how many games you need to play for the update. Loss streaks don't sour your mood nearly as much. The 4-0 -> 5-5 thing still lets you see your rank go up since you really would have something like 4-1, 1-4. Since you know how many games you need to win, it's much easier to keep the motivation to keep playing.

I’m always in a hard cycle when it comes to OW. -Play for a solid month -stop playing for 2 month -play for 2 weeks -stop playing for 4-6 month -repeat

I like Eskay's take on the servers merges. Brazil used to have a dedicated server, but because of the players dropout it's now merged with the rest of SA. Now imagine being the only country of SA that doesn't speak spanish.

the anxiety shift in my case is that instead of seeing number go down, now every time I lose a game I know I havent progressed towards getting placed, which means I will need to play more games just to place. My issue isnt really the result of the placing itself because I dont care about that

Someone mentioned leavers, that's such an easy fix that it's absurd it hasn't been implemented. If someone leaves, everyone that wasn't queued with them will have no penalty. The leaver, and everyone queued with them, will receive a loss like normal. It makes it impossible to boost using that and it mitigates the negative effects of leavers.

I'll say this once again(beating a dead horse) THERE NEEDS TO BE A SOLO ROLE QUEUE AND A PARTY ROLE QUEUE.

Nah, I genuinely have cards where I go 5-2 just to stay the same rank, or 5-3 and go down. Positive win rate should never rank me down.

Back in 2017 OW1, I sucked (as I still do) and knew that despite my passion and competitive drive, I just lacked the skill to really get to the highest level. Then in the summer games, they released Copa Lucioball. I happened to be the perfect mix of both a very highly ranked Rocket League player and Lucio main to where I was extremely good at it, and I finished top 500, earning a special animated spray. It wasn't anything amazing, just a little ball spinning around with spotlights crossing the sky in the background, but going into my plat lobbies and throwing it on the spawn door and having people talk about it with me and recognize that (admittedly unimpressive) achievement was just an awesome experience, not to mention the awesome community surrounding Copa itself. The following year, I had switched over to PC from console, and was very excited to get another animated Copa spray in 2018. I grinded it out, and had a great time, only to find out that for some reason the top 500 spray for Copa that year was just a different static spray, instead of an animated one, which was disappointing to say the least after all of the effort I had just put in. The year after that, I played a little bit but lacked the motivation to get onto the leaderboards, and that was the last time I played it before they took Copa Lucioball away. Small things like animated sprays and competitive Lucioball may seem small to the larger playerbase, but those small things can mean the world to a select few people.

just bring back rank updates after every 5 games regardless of W/L and I think the mood of the competitive playerbase will improve dramatically

After my placement matches last season I went 5-1 and stayed the same. I then went 5-2 and got deranked. 5-4 was the next card and it ranked me back up. This season after going 5-4 in placements, I'm 2 ranks higher than last season. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Also my support is at gold and I haven't played tank in ranked OW2. Yet when I play tank in unranked it puts me with diamond - top 500 players.

I think you can tell how disheartened people are in ranked with how quick people are to quit. I had three people leave in three different games all within one series

I wish sr comes back. Every game you get a number update whether you win or lose and showing sr number instead of top 500 for peak is better. It's better information and reflects your skill rating better. This system is much worst no matter if they want to fix rank anxiety. Because most of the time, you don't know until you get an actual rank update. And tiers doesn't really tell you specifically where you are unless you get a rank update where the bottom text shows you. But after that, that's all you really know.

I'd love to see them add the comp game mode to quickplay so we can get attack and defense. I hate playing comp, but I much prefer the mode

I think 5v5 stack should be like cod did back when cod elite was a thing, build a guild/clan compete in a limited time event (weekends in the case of cod elite), earn points and spend with clan stuff (in the case of cod it was xp to earn gold clan tag).

I miss the old OW1 rank system. I never had an issue with it apart from the 2 point gain for winning certain games.

In Splatoon instead of being 5/15 it's 5/3. Because you can only ever have 3 losses in a card, the amount you lose doesn't actually feel that bad. (also it does a psychology thing of taking away all the points at once and then "giving" you points even if you lose but if you win then you get more than you started with whereas if you lose you keep going down)

For ages now ive imagined what if you could display the heroes u play the most at the start of the match. Every person on ur team having chosen 3 heroes below their name in the hero select so at the very start you can easily set up a team comp and know what you could ask someone to switch to.

1:56 Thank you Eskay it is very comforting that if I lose 15 in a row, I will know I'm not alone.

I've just gone 5-2 and stayed the same 🙄 just to clarify, I've never lost a card in the month I've played this, 3 cards, 3 winning cards, never budged, I'm super confused on this system!

Completely unrelated, but the fact that Flats ASKED if he could react to the video is just really cool. Most people wouldn't have bothered. They'd get sent a video and react to it without a second thought. Kudos to you, even if it is the decent thing to do.

The derank at the end of a card you lost a lot on is so demoralizing. I finally hit Silver 4 from Bronze 5 at the end of last season after losing SIlver 5 at the end of season 2. I've been so excited the past few weeks to finally be back! I had more or less a 50% win rate since then but suddenly I hop on with my buddy yesterday and lose 5 games in a row. I honestly wasn't worried about it. I still had fun! I load up today and I've ended with 9 losses 2 wins. I don't really want to play now. I don't know why I'm losing so much now. In theory I'm playing the same I was a week ago. Whether or not that's true is irrelevant. I know there's nothing but sadness at the end of that card. I'd much prefer to have lost the SR after each game and gained it when I won. Then those past games aren't held over my head.

I have not heard this mentioned alot but I really miss the social tab where I could find groups to play comp or qp with. Im super upset they removed it. I felt like it helped bring the community together and promoted the team type play style that the game is built around

I have a theory about this ranked system. So we all know loser queue exists in other games, it's been proven riot loves to put it in some of its games, but the problem with loser queue is it would be relatively easy to discover if you had the old system but with this new system, you cant actually tell who the hell you're inna game with, and with private profiles you're actually left with just the general ranking of the lobby and we had to fight for that, so what if they implemented this system specifically so they could also implement loser queue?

Man, I went 5-2 in placements and I still got silver 2… I was low masters 2 seasons ago and didn’t play much last season. This decay is insane.

Wow, it's cool seeing Flats talk about this vid. I just watched it earlier this week. Eskay is good at breaking shit down.

I like playing Support. But sometimes I also like playing DPS or Tank. But the second I que for those, even though everyone was the same rank, it would be “GG Mercy on DPS”. It got so toxic I just stopped playing those roles all together. So I have a profile that’s Masters Tank and DPS with the bare minimum games played to not trigger decay. That’s a player base issue though.

about the wins and loss system, i don't play ranked but i can't imagine how rough it must feel. especially if you're in a losing game. in qp if we're not getting anywhere i tend to think "i'm only here for my daily i just want this match to end" i cant imagine feeling that in a ranked game, then with the card system, when they are usually double the length

Wow the way you resonate with each other makes this so much more endearing!

7:30 Back when it was 7W/20L for update, I won 14 games in a row (two full sets of 7) without a single rank up. There were no "forgotten losses" here. Haven't played Ranked since then.

I quit ranked since 2019 and my mental health sky rocket no more depression and anxiety even my hair looked healthier after i stopped my peak was 4570+ never again i already made it to the top no reason why i should stress myself anymore "oh but the golden guns" who gives a shit you made it don't ruin yourself over any game 💁💖

Yeah for years, I was wondering why playing ranked felt soo much like you are at a job, playing to work and not playing for fun, but I have never been able to piece the mess of spaghetti that is ranked in the overall grand scale of the system as a whole. This clarified SO much now, and happy that there are people that felt the same vibe to this mud ground system. Cause it felt too much like a Chore.

For the pinned hero thing that you talked about around 27:35, if blizz decides to add it, I think players should be able to pin 2-3 heroes. Preferably one per role. That way if just say I decide to play dps or tank instead of support, you can see that I like to play Widow and ram, and not just see the Lucio pin on a non-support role

I never played ow1 but I played ow2 when it first came out for about a month then stopped because the comp matchmaking just felt frustrating and unbalanced. I started playing again about a week ago and while it does feel much better, it still feels like about 1/3 games are unwinnable or unlosable and there is no way to tell why because you cant see if the other team (or your own team) is stacked or higher ranked. If there was more transparency I think the game would much less frustrating because at least you would know whether you got in a bad matchmaking situation or you just played badly.

Hit my peak on Tank went 4-0 immediately after and was stoked! Ready to watch the climb, had 3 games in a row with a leaver. 4-3. Won the next and 5-3 didn't move...

I remember going 14 and 3 and deranking twice, I really haven't played since Edit. After thinking more on the group queue system, you could do it bi-weekly and play with the grouping systems a bit or have 2 different team queues (limited ie. within the same rank as in diamond 3s only on a team and normal, where it has the regular rank group limits)

I recently started to play overwatch again. Once I got comfortable with controls again, I jumped back into competitive play. And I can say that the conversation happens quite often about how tough or confusing ranking up is

So my bf is a rocket league player so I thought it was funny how she mentioned the rocket league ranked system and then says that basically team queue should be available at certain times, that is basically the tournament system in rocket league- it’s available at certain times of the day (ex. 12pm, 3pm, 6pm) and you queue in a team of people from your comp level (but your tournament comp rank is different after your first queue and becomes separate from your 3vs3 rank) and the games are basically lined up, and I do agree for higher level players this would be great to implement there would be no wait times other than just waiting to see which team you end up matched against (if your game ends early) and obv if tons of people are willing to wait a few mins for rocket league I’m sure overwatch players would as well, and even in low elo it would still be fun to queue tournaments with friends at least - but in rocket league your also rewarded for doing tournaments with fun cosmetics and titles so maybe that’s whats holding blizzard back from implementing it but I think it would be a better system for overwatch and fun for everyone and it gives you another different experience and separate ranking. Just my two cents from a gf of a grand champ rocket league player. 😅 -ps. tho I’m ass at rocket league compared to my bf I just know this stuff cuz I’d enjoy watching him play, acc playing tho different story 😭

The problem that I have with the corrosponding rank system is that while 1 of both of your supports will be silver yes, if your silver support picks ana and their silver support picks moira, thats not an equal exchange. The moira can just sit back, heal, do a little damage and stay alive and thats getting 99% of the value that a moira can get even in higher ranks, but a silver ana cant do everything an ana needs to do at the level of every other player in the lobby.

This season I went 5W 3L and dranked, the next card I went 5W and 3L and ranked up, quickplay has been much more fun

One time I was 5-1 and didn’t rank up. It was heartbreaking.

1:30 a something I always tell people “You critique a game because you love a game, you want better for yourself and the player base’

Im getting 10-20 minute ques for low masters games lol, not to mention the fact that the games that i do finally get are about 30% of the time complete stomps that either my team or the other team had 0 chance to win, I've deranked from masters 4 to plat 1, solo quing (in my experience at least) is dreadful

I think one of the that pisses me off the most is you can’t do anything about the losses stacking up Say you get three losses then a win, okay doing pretty bad but I can come back from it Take another three losses. Guess I’ll die, guaranteed to derank now even if I win all my matches from this point on Like wtf? So now, I just have to sit there, knowing I’ll de-rank and try to win as many games as I can - and possibly lose MORE. You get shafted for losing matches more than any other game, because they just sit there and stack. And if you don’t win the five before they stack up, you. Are. Fucked It’s so stupid

No wonder my low match games feel weird at times. Either I get a team that can push up hard to the enemy spawn, or I become the victim and stuck in spawn unable to progress.

Ty, for explaining some of the throwers I have encountered as I have tried to climb. As a quick explanation, Overwatch was the first online FPS game I played and have been improving (attempting to improve) ever since. The trouble is, as a competitor, I want to play higher games so I can learn new tactics and from my mistakes; HOWEVER, there are trolls and throwers. The explanation about a smurf account duo'ing with another player makes sense and I have encountered that on the ladder. As such, I feel there is a barrier to ranking up. I definitely agree with a lot that has been said.

eskay's video summarizes the problem i have with ranked in ow2 so accurate, it is insane. Altough I am not a T500 player, I can at least relat to her statements in that regard.

Ranked is wild. I was playing open with 2 friend who were gold/plat and I've never placed on open queue (I was also gold on tank dps and diamond support). We went like 5-2 and I some how placed GM5 so I've officially unlocked duo queue :)

The worst part about ranked is that if you genuinely do need to derank, (whether it be getting placed too high or simply just not having a lot of time to grind it out or whatever), it is near impossible. I started OW2 at the start of season 4. I got placed in fcking diamond despite not playing ow for years and only being high gold/low plat at best on OW1. It has taken me hundreds of losses and countless people cussing me out in vc to finally derank down to silver where I finally have a chance. When you can only derank after 15 losses and it goes 1-2 divisions at a time it takes dozens, if not hundreds, of hours just to play the game. It wouldn't be so bad if unranked play wasn't taking into account your hidden mmr, but since I was higher rated in ranked it through me in with higher ranked players in unranked too. It was a miserable experience, but after several months of the slog I can finally play against people equally as shit as me. (For anyone curious my win% in seasons 4 and 5 for ranked was hovering around 20-30% before i got down to low gold, but it's back up to almost 50/50 finally. I've made a comment about this before on this channel too)

I just realized the easiest solution for ranked is after each game it should give you the option of seeing a general area of what rank you are. So if you are Plat 5 and you win a game the system will tell you your rank is between Gold 1 - Plat 3. And the general area gets smaller once you hit higher ranks like GM and such. If you don’t wish to see the range of which your rank is you can get the option to turn it off or by default have it off and give the option to turn it on.

To those people saying Overwatch is the only game where you can feel sad with both a win and a loss, you have clearly never played Pokemon Unite.

Wasn’t the reason the person in second didn’t get rank 1 after several wins was because both of them had already reached max “sr” so there wasn’t any further they could climb?

I'm wondering when is the next stream with streamers and devs? It seems that the last time such a stream was at the beginning of the 4th season or at the end of the 3rd?

What of the most insane things about overwatch 2 is the fact they removed the ability to find a group.

this season I went 5 and 0 and stayed silver 5. at that point i deleted the game off my computer until they fix the system

It's deflating for real casual players too. That lose streak can last literal DAYS. Knowing you'll turn on the game to derank is disappointing. I haven't played tank in comp since season 4 because I had a dreadful lose streak and now I just don't touch it despite everything resetting because I don't want that to happen again, and tank was my highest rank (though my least favourite role). And then the wins also feel bad when there's no movement at all I went 5-8 and didn't derank, which I was surprised about. A couple days later I got 5-0. And stayed the same rank. In reality it makes sense. 5-8 and then 5-0, on average you'd be the same rank or barely one rank higher if that. But seeing 5-0 and not moving at all, especially when you're in lower ranks and the ranking does change a lot quicker than high level play, is just miserable. I mostly play comp mystery heroes now because sticking to a single role is stressful, and lose streaks on MH feels more random, more justified. Seeing myself drop two ranks on MH feels like bad luck. Doing it on your favourite role, and doing it while getting consistently high stats on the team, and even doing it when winning games but not moving just sucks so much

I remember getting 4-0 in comp, and then losing three games and deranking once I got that fifth win. Went from playing and winning in matches that were a rank higher than I was to then getting stuck in my rank. Not knowing how to improve outside of “just win lol” isn’t a good system, it inhibits growth

In Overwatch 2 I cliimbed from Gold to low GM, but not getting to see the SR just makes me wonder if I actually have improved that much or if it's just due to a terrible matchmaking system. So even if the overall "anxiety" is lower there will always be a feeling of self doubt looming over me

I agree with the person who said we should slap our bellies when flats seems sad! BELLY SLAPS 4 FLATS!!!!

I actually prefer the card system but I understand the downsides and issues. With the SR system i felt like i was making no progress. It was frustrating, win lose win lose I stay the same, at the same number. Win 2 games lose 1 and im almost back where i started somehow. This new system at least makes me feel like im moving somewhere. The wins may not feel as good unless its a streak, but the losses arent as bad unless its a streak either. It is hard to push through when youre sitting on a bunch of losses knowing a de-rank's coming, but at least im motivated more often, where as before I was so frustrated i didnt want to bother because every bit of progress felt so miniscule it was negligible.

I would love to try push for top 500 hell top rank in any competitive game but my biggest issue is my anxiety that shuts me down before I can even think about loading a ranked game up. I don't even like playing normal's without someone to help calm my nerves.

I loved playing on NA as someone from EU. Latency was absolutely okay and i loved the better communication and overall activity to talk. Really sad I can't do that now in OW2 anymore.

I went 5-2 once and then about 5-4 and stayed silver 1 the entire time... Not even a lowering of rank? Seemed strange

I like the video a lot. I have genuinely no reason to play the game. I like the competition but comp isn't a serious mode. It's baby "comp" mode where we cant even see what heroes my teammates play, or what my own SR even is. Crazy world. I could overlook this and take it seriously, but most others wont because the system isn't asking for competition.

Okay, to all the players that don’t play Overwatch/don’t play ranked, read this: Imagine loading into ranked and you queue for Support. You love playing or like using Kiriko. You load into the game and your teammate auto-locks Kiriko. So your options are healers your not good at. So already, your playing a healer you really don’t know how to play, like maybe Mercy for example. Then your teammates don’t coordinate and you have a Reinhardt (Up-close fighter) with a widow and symmetra. You can’t play your favorite healer, horrible team comp. The game starts and your team gets killed, it’s pretty much GG right then and there. You sweat and grind like you never had before, just to lose. The next game, you get put in a lobby that is lower than last game (You are trying to find your rank) And you have to deal with that for many more games until your in silver 3 games. On my main account, I’m a Plat 5 tank, Gold 3 DPS, and Gold 1 support. On my alternate account, I’m a Plat 1 Tank, Diamond 1 DPS, and Diamond 4 support. So is it my teammates or is it me? The ranked system never tells you what’s going on. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

My personally experience In ranked is that my best personal games are always losses no matter how hard I try or how many picks I get, whereas my wins come from my mid games where I’m not even playing my best. It’s a weird thing I’ve never experienced in a ranked system other than siege

What kept me playing OW1 was wanting to get better and rank up, I was never crazy at the game but I climbed from silver to 3380sr peak in the ~2 years I played OW1, but that desire completely gone with the new rank system and I havent has a season with over 25 hours since season 3. Also, it doesn't help that playing Baldurs Gate 3 really reminded me just how scummy and anti-consumer Blizzard and really any giant in the industry is now. For $80 you can easily get 50+ hours of enjoyment in just one campaign, then you can play it again and complete all the sidequests you missed, try a different build, and just make other choices, when I saw the PVE bundle is $20 I just couldn't buy it, there's not a chance it's even close to 1/4 of enjoyment as Baldurs Gate 3 yet its priced at that, I never bought it but considering I don't hear anyone talk about it and not having overwhelmingly positive reviews Id reckon it's not even a 100th as amazing. So thanks Larian Studios for reminding me and many others what a good video game company is like and theres not a chance that I'm ever buying another Battlepass or skin from Blizzard.

Awesome explanation from both of you. What about a special color scheme for the mythic skin we get for a season for people that finish top 500, not start

I haven’t finished watching the video yet (I’m within the 7 minute mark) but I’m curious how the rank shifting every win or loss works because for a while I was diamond 1 in support, I went 5-3 and one abandoned match and deranged to diamond 3. I didn’t play support for a season after that, but this season I completed one placement (5-2 or 3) and I went from diamond 3 to masters 4. What happened for me to have deranked two tiers only to jump up 4? Was it solely the abandoned match, and if so, what’s the point of me getting deranked if it would just rank me back up after another placement? Sorry if this was confusing, I’m just not sure how it happened

regarding SR, I think you could explain a lot of the SR gain/loss differences with just adding a few tags to the game like "underranked for lobby" or "overranked for lobby" or "backfill" or "left early". Even if you aren't showing the individual impact that each of these things have, you could still at least say "hey, I lost 40 SR in this game because I was overranked and we still lost, that makes sense" or "oh, I left early and they penalized me 40 SR for it" or "oh, I joined with 60s left on the clock, so that's why it only lost 5 SR for that game".

It’s only miserable because the unbalanced matchmaking.

Everyone in the comments acting like they ain’t the reason for why rank sucks. My god

I've always wondered why Overwatch doesn't take a page out of Guild Wars 2 system of having automated tournaments running from specific times throughout the day - and actually the Team Queue would be the perfect format for that. In GW2 its an automated pvp tournament - you can register 15 minutes before it starts, you must be a team of 5, and you must play every match to receive rewards. They might have to work on some reward structure for long term interest but it seems like a no-brainer to me.

With the rewards for a hyped up, once in a while team queue, they could do something like the rocket league in game tournaments, where you win enough or something and get special title, spray, skin etc, but also get another type of currency to buy items or loot boxes or something of the like.

I want to start off by saying Eskay is a queen, but unfortunately, she is always right and never wrong or ugly, and us mere mortals need to do better.

eggs

After the first two seasons of OW2, I have not touched a single game of ranked. I kept getting 5-1/5-2 cards and still not moving from bronze 5, while people playing in the same group got up all the way to silver. A horrendous system.

At the beginning of this season, I went 5-5 on tank and went from Diamond 3 to Diamond 5 and I also went 5-5 on dps and went from Diamond 3 to Diamond 4

99.999% of us players will never be professionals. Want to reduce anxiety or stress while playing ranked? Accept that fact and the game will be more fun. It’s just a game for most of us. Enjoy it.

When i was ranking on tank i got games all over the place from Diamond to High Silver although mostly were on Gold, by the end of it since i got soo many losses i ended up in High Silver which makes some sense i think, but a few months ago when i was playing at the bottom of Bronze 5 on Support i ended up in a Gold game/High Silver which makes no sense at all, this hasn't been the only instances of this happening, but definitevly the more extreme, not to mention i got matched in some occasions with players who are diamond or high gold on other roles and i get that since it is a different role is not the same but these games feel really one sided it's just bananas to make sense of it at times

A ranked system I'd like to see used by more competitive games is the one used by Pokemon Unite. If you aren't familiar with it's ranked system, at it's basic, you gain points when you win and you lose points when you lose, and you rank up/down when you hit a certain point total. What makes it good imo it's how they reward/take away points. The game takes into consideration your match performance into the point totals (all stats, not just damage and healing). So if you win and you did really well on your team, you will be rewarded better for that win than the guy who did basically nothing and got carried. The same thing applies with losing, where you lose less points if you were still doing well, and the guy who was feeding would lose much more points. This system isn't perfect, since none can be, but it at least makes you feel better for actually doing well, whether you win or lose. And it also incentives people to continue to try, even if you're losing, that way you don't just drop a ton with every loss.

What if we change open queue to OG OW1 queue like before 222 but it's still 6v6 and you don't nerf the tank health?

Also wish they could display how many queueing up for the different lobbies when you are, so you know if you should wait or pick another mode etc. some times you would sit for 20 minutes, and i rather not lol.

I’ve ranked up in loss skewed games, one time I want 5-11 and went from silver 4 to silver 2. I’ve always assumed it’s based on performance and not wins, wins help guide the rank system but performance determines the final result, since in all of those games I performed better than I have before, even if we loose because team wasn’t working together

8:02 it definitely happens. I went 5 and 3 and deranked. I was super confused and just kinda gave up

Last season I was super frustrated because halfway through the season I was 0 - 6 on tank in diamond 5. So I ended up just never playing tank the entire rest of the season. It was super annoying knowing that no matter what I was going to derank, really unmotivating.

there were new Orleans servers for a while, i remember it being really good for me when i moved to texas

I was playing role queue with my buddy and whenever we go up or down our open queue either locks or unlocks so we can’t play together… really weird idk why it happens. Console problem?

I hope that was a roosterteeth reference. THE NUMBER IS GOING DOWN! THE NUMBERS GOING DOWN!

If I ever do worse that 5-2 I don't rank up. 5-3 I usually stay the same, and draws seem to just act as a loss.

I have a few ideas on what they could do for how OW shows the ranks. 1) i think to be in top500 you have to be atleast gm3. so now at the beggining of the season there arent any diamonds or even gm5s. and once you do get into top500 i think it should show what it shows now ALONG with an sr. 2) yk how when you rank up or down it shows the percentage of what you are in that specific rank. what if it showed you that after every game, so you know how close you are to ranking up. 3) lets say you're masters 3, you're 3-0 on your card and it says you're top 95%, so you win a game and now instead of it saying youre in top top __% of masters2, it'll just say you've ranked up. but it doesnt actually rank up in your profile until you've completed the 5 games, this way it still gives you insentives to play more games and finish the card. 4) at the end of every season the game will show you what your peak sr was for the whole season on your profile(the sr would be hidden for the whole season until it ends). i think this would be cool cause it gives you something to look forward to at the end of the season. also for the animated spray, what if blizzard made animated sprays for each character, and if you reach top500, your top3 most played charaters, you would get the animated sprays for them

As a west coaster i can confirm, queue times are usually 5 -20 seconds, and if its more than a minute its a long queue

Completely agree on the voice coms thing. it's such a typical FPS problem though. Nobody wants to communicate with the team, unless it's the shit on them. The sheer lack of self-awareness some people have, when you hand them a live mic, is astounding. It doesn't matter if it's COD, OW, VAL, CS, or Siege, it's always the most toxic, heinous shit that you'd never hear from anyone IRL(because it would get them punched if they did). I genuinely don't blame people for just muting voice anymore. it used to bug me, because real-time comms are important, but holy-shit i'd rather lose because of that, than have to listen to the person with 0 kills 0 assists, and giving 0 useful callouts rant and rave about how bad the rest of the team supposedly is, when all they're doing is sitting in spawn crying while the rest of us actually are playing the obj. And that's assuming they didn't try to go all lone-wolf and get themselves killed immediately because they didn't bother to drone ahead or wait for the rest of us.

I feel there should be sr back but have a percentage shown of which classes you play, so if you are like 4500sr and have 90% time played tank people can see your good at tank. It could also see easier if someone's a one trick