I Asked Overwatch 2 Twitter A Simple Question 

Id like to see the sound change depending on how much damage reduction is in effect. Like if you are shooting armour health it makes the dink more like a donk and the normal shots lower pitched as well. And if you are shooting into a ram block or fortify then it makes a super low pitched hit sound. maybe even change the hit indicator to a red colour or something. Let new players really know that this is not working that well and encourage them to seek targets which their shots are more effective.

And yet, it might actually work!

They should give us OG CoD hitmarkers lmao dud, ddddduudddd

This is an excellent take the psychology involved in OW sound design is better than any game I’ve played. The satisfaction from hit markers or when you secure an elim is insane, so much dopamine.

@@milamber319similar to doomfists block and the thud that it makes when you shoot it, or kinetic grasp, DVA DM, any denial ability has really good sound to incentivize restraint

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@@ReedoTVthere’s still time to delete this he literally explains why he said that

@@AdamSlander888 when did flats do this?

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@@AdamSlander888 bless

Most nuanced OW2 take

Most constructive OW2 take

most descriptive 5v5 supporter

​@@bruhbruh7660 the smartest 6v6 fan:

​​@@jackeea_I come from Olexa and never expected to see you here

If only we were still on the dps role

Mauga needs to be a DPS. It would fix everything.

Can I be honest I was thinking this the other day, why can’t he be in both. Like why can’t we have a dps doom that has different abilities and is balanced for the damage roll, and tank doom that’s balance for the tank roll. Basically have them act like seperate hero’s but with different kits. I know the real reason is that it just would look weird, but it would be fine over time. It honestly just be another hero to pick from. I never play doomfist but just thought this the other day.

Tbh as a Doomfist main as well, you can't really play the tank role like the rest. Nothing in your kit benefits your teammates, your value comes from causing as much disruption as possible. So playing as a DPS is pretty much how you have to play him.

@@Crusty_Sword Doom is pretty much still dps, if you cannot deal damage as doom you are basically useless... While other tanks can still be much more useful than doom while not doing damage.

Some people might put Lifesteal Orisa but I like him a lot.

thinking that 1 its simple, and 2 deleting orisa will fix anything is laughable

Cringe take

Make her javelin push people back faster cause you could get stunned for ever cause how slow it is and when you go the maximum range and hit a wall you’ll basically get stunned forever. Remove the reduced over heat build up on fortify, she’s meant to be a wall not a sentry.

delete "new orisa"

Mitigation contributes to ult charge

Not that it's fun, but it is in the roles niche and charges ult

@@bennettnez4711 mit does not build ult charge, it gives you a little bit of fire but not ult charge

This is an actual idea.

@MegaScytheman idk what's more stupid now. Me for not knowing that, or the fact that mit doesn't build ult charge. I realize that different tanks have different amounts of mitigation, but there are ways around that.

People dont realize that THIS is the problem now. It is the reason why no one can figure out a solution because they don't realize what the real problem is. Nerf tanks and they will be more fun to play. Its so counter-intuitive that everyone dismisses it. Its also the reason why the solution seems impossible without 6v6. But 6v6 naturally comes with nerfed tanks. You can nerf tanks without going back to 6v6 and all the problems that came with 6v6

​@@puck2694That does sound like the best solution for 5v5 but personally 6v6 seems like it has more potential overall.

That would be funny seeing a ball less ball lol

@@katser5023 he pops out in either a mini mech or with a mini machine gun XD

@@crisdelgadillo6502 and goes full fkng Rambo

@@mr.excidium8054 EXACTLY

Can you eat him to get health back and he goes back to spawn?

There is. Tank has no counter play... to other roles. It's tank vs tank. And dps can counter tank. Healers can counter tanks. But you don't go "this tank" to counter bap/ana/mei/widow. It's up to dps and healer to counter other dps, healers, and tank

​@@SuperLifestream see they can't do that anytime a tank counters a dps or support people get extremely mad.

that sounds incredibly fucking boring, if people are that bored theyll stop playing tank and the queue times will continue to get worse, essentially not really fixing anything

@@SuperLifestream its funny because against that comp winston would go very well.

@@CROSSFADE69 bingo, that's what happened in the start of ow2 and people were complaining, even now they still are

yeah that does seem pretty good, then getting chain cc'd to death would be kind of hard to pull off compared to how it is now

That sounds like another wall (Mauga) meta waiting to happen

The tank passive should work with every status effect in the game. Every CC, every negative effect like nade, Knockback of any kind. However I don't agree with the damage one.

I've had this opinion for years

I don't agree with everything. Things like Hook, Rooted, Gravity etc. kind of break if you change their impact. My thought process for the critical resistance is that it simultaneously covers some problem areas while also making opportunities in others. It stops Widow from 2-tapping most tanks without having to make her unplayable. It means you can more freely take the critical immunity away from Orisa. It allows you to take some of the flat DR away from characters like Hog and Mauga who get melted without it. Ultimately I just think it opens up more positives for balance than negatives.

Okay but over watch is the only game where you can change your character mid match. I feel like this is an inherent issue with the game Balance.

@@AK-qn4jp so you’d condemn players to an intentionally harder game if the other team happens to pick all your team’s counters? Making Overwatch luck based isn’t a great idea. Imagine you can’t swap, and you pick doomfist, just to find out the enemy team went roadhog sombra and mccree. You’re cooked, and it’s not even a fault of skill at that point, you would just lose based on luck

@@360noahscope i feel ult charge should go back to 0

@@AK-qn4jp If you couldn't swap heroes mid match then some heroes would literally just be useless. On Winston maps (Like Watchpoint: Gibraltar or Numbani) you would just use Dva because it is safer to pick Dva than play Winston due to the enemy possibly having Dva. Or Imagine stuck into playing Rein/Winston into Bastion. Stuck playing Hog/Mauga into Ana and Zen. Stuck playing Dva into Zarya etc.

​@@bluedragon2that won't solve it

im not 100% sure, but isnt there a setting that plays a sound when teammates die?

@@wordenit9351i think they mean a diff sound depending on the role of the person killed

Idk about the different sounds bc that would just get confusing for people who aren’t familiar with it(maybe as an option) but that voice line sounds like a good idea, I only know that when u are down 2 people , one of ur teammates will say something about being overrun or something like that

The characters of your team already have voice lines for when you're outnumbered and when you ask for healing when there's no healers you ask for help, the game even tells you you have no healers close, what more do people need to pay attention to their surroundings?

Jake does not deserve an opinion on the 6v6 5v5 debate. In his interview with Iron he straight up said that he doesn't care about tank players.

yea screw jake💀💀

Jake Overwatch is in my house

​@@Georgian502 HUH?! Aint no way he said that 😭

​@@le_m4cho965yes he said it. He just wants a dps cod. No moba or combo aspects. Just pew pew checkers. Not chess

Make the game even more like paladins lmao

I think they should nerf the tanks drop the HP to 300 or 400.

​@@Grux_ASG What?

@@Grux_ASG you on crack?

I've been saying this since s2 besides the burning effect. It should only be cc

encourages tanks just jumping into random groups of people. also is a buff to doom and wrecking ball

Exactly, that would fix the tank melting experience where tanks can actually live longer then 3 seconds after jumping into combat, sure it’s a buff but that’s what I feel tank needs now

It’s literally why I was never a “shoot the horse” dps because she’s a dopamine remover

fantastic way to have 40 hour queue times

​​@@Beaeaeaedsfdsfdshit, back in ow1 my mid plat dps queues were already 20+ min cuz nobody wanted to play support or tank.

​@@Beaeaeaedsfdsfddoesn't matter because it only applies for a weekend in role q quickplay and not the other modes

@@Beaeaeaedsfdsfd That's the point. Its shock therapy to everyone who doesn't want 6 v 6 back.

Yeah i agree​@@Warcrafter4

I really liked the 1 because you could know precisely how many hits you could take. Right now, it's really fast to die from a Torb/Reaper headshot with Winston. I've died so many times by jumping => taking 5 headshots => going back to spawn without even having the time to use my ult.

@@hypadao235 yeah those headshots are rough, ive had game where he's just more oppressive than the tank just because we couldn't enter an area without get destroyed by his head shots and turret together. I'd say his overclock really needs to be changed the most though, torb literally gets more health than 4 tanks in open queue games iirc using that cooldown and his attack rate just gets gross with it

THis only works if you also do what spilo suggested which is make it less satisfying to shoot tanks. Like you also need to make the *tink* discordant to make sure players understand that their damage is reduced and they are not getting value. I really like the idea of the dink gets lower pitched the more damage reduced it is. So if you are shooting into armour health it gives you a hint that your shots arent as effective and if you are shooting fortify or ram block its super low pitched to let you know that its basically doing nothing.

@@milamber319 the idea of the pitch lowering as you damage us reduced/on a tank is a pretty good. It'd also make the passive feel stronger than it realistically is so a dps or support would likely try avoiding the tank in this scenario. Mainly wasnt thinking about that because it was already a good idea

Being plinked in the head by a hanzo and cassidy really sucks without a super high health pool, i like the idea of reduced crits, but its a slippery slope because orisa would die less and so would hog

I mean there are technically multiple "roles" for dps it's just that to separate them would make more than 2 categories. Flyers, hitscan which can include snipers, tank busters, divers, area controllers which includes turret placers, and stallers; and many characters fit multiple roles. For example, a Cassidy can tank bust a Winston while being a hitscan; a Junkrat can stall with his trap while also being a tank buster; a Mei can act like a sudo sniper while also being a staller; Hanzo and Widow and are snipers and can control area, but Widow is also hitscan; a Reaper can dive someone but they're also a tank buster; Sym is a turret placer, but she also deals with tank (D.Va) and her ult is good for stalling enemy progression; etc... The reason that there are so many dps options is because dps has to fill out a lot of roles. Sometimes you need 2 hitscans because a good flyer can handle 1, sometimes you need 2 tank busters because of the enemy comp. If that's not what you meant sorry, but what would your 5 role categories be? Also while I never played ow1 I do agree with your points on tank and personally think 2 tanks would be better. I do think that having more types of damage would be interesting, right now there's only splash, beam, and a bullet. 1 of those can avoid being deflected or absorbed and 1 of them just ignores it. Sym and echo are the only dps with beams and echo isn't really viable at a range close enough to someone who can absorb/deflect attacks. Having another option for a dps beam would be nice, idk what other damage type you could make though

@@crisdelgadillo6502 Heyo, in writing the comment I forgot about hit scan vs. projectile, but really it doesn’t change my thoughts on DPS. Besides characters like sombra and sym who have more of a “support” role than the rest of the dps, most dps do the same thing, which is, well, shoot things. Compare this to main support and off support which are distinctly different roles and purposes, or main tank and off tank, which are also different roles and purposes. They do different jobs and have to learn the game differently (a good comparison would be flats vs emongg actually, since their playstyles represent main vs off respectively). The reason why I suggest different damage types is because it would relieve offensive pressure without making a character incredibly strong. Sure the balancing would take ages, so I’m not sure how it would happen, but let me take a couple characters for example. Mauga is a big one. He just does ludicrous amounts of damage and healing, and when he’s meta, his sole purpose is to rip apart the other tank. Now, imagine if the damage of his right gun (a physical damage) was calculated separately from his left gun (a “special” damage), and each hero had different defensive reductions based on this damage. Suddenly his matchups would be less “I rip through you” and more “okay, I need to prioritize different targets based on game knowledge” which would contribute to “removing the dopamine effect from shooting tank” without making a tank feel like a damage sponge. You’re faced with a physically defensive tank, oh, use the left gun, poke a bit to get healing, and try to dive supports. You’re faced with a special tank, try to light em up as quickly as possible and rip through them. My point is that it would make damage feel less oppressive. Instead of dying because of solely damage, you’ll realize it’s more simply that your character is less fit for the job. While this might encourage counter swapping more, at the same time it also turns counter swapping into a skill itself, rather than just “tank matchups”, since now you’ll have to change the way you play tank against supports and vice versa (imagine being able to force bastion mains out because defensively you’re tanky against a physical damage, so they’d have to swap to someone like mei or sojourn who would likely do a different type of damage). Counter swapping is an integral identity of competitive OW, and I think if anything is kept, it should be, because it gives players agency to make last minute decisions that can turn a tide. On new roles, it would probably go something like this: - Tank - ADC (or whatever term OW uses) - DPS - Debuff Support - Healing Support (again, these names would probably change based on what OW wants) ADC would be a mix of tanks that were more aggressive and squishy to begin with (tank characters like junkerqueen, hog, zarya or dps characters like reaper, bastion, mei) who have ways of tanking more damage than usual and act as “shoot first” characters, which is as the name implies, attack damage carry. They push forward deal an aggressive amount of damage, and die for it (ofc they’d be balanced respectively to fit the role more) Debuff support would be your brig, sombra, sym, zen, hell, maybe even echo. Characters who mix damage and debuffs to give your team an advantage. Again, they would require rebalancing, but these would also be characters where they have some of the CC presence of tanks, but are squishier and sit in a backline doing other things as well, such as dealing damage or healing. My last point is whether or not there’d be role queue. Frankly, I don’t know. Having 5 roles restricts the roster a tremendous amount, meaning slower queue times, as there’s more roles to queue for. But hey, I never said this idea was perfect, and there had to be a catch anyway.

Finally someone that mentions turning tanks into bullet sponges isn't really fun, it's already hard to kill a tank now and people want to give them more health and damage reduction? That'll just make the game in general feel even clunkier to play

I've seen cars with 3 tires, but 1 sharp turn is all it takes for things to go sideways. 💀

@@absolute-xero7502 exactly

I literally made this exact same analogy.

@@d41ma02 Blizzard retrofitted a Lambo into a Tuk-Tuk? lol

Actually really good takes

Minimap is the best solution

I had a long ass paragraph written I clicked out and lost it I don't have it in me to do it again... But yes. Minimal. NOT JUST a minimal. I also want to pause or press select or whatever. I want a full screen map

1. Really just QOL, but good 2. Tank should definitely have that passive, and it would make them not need as much health overall/not take as long for supps to heal. You have to be careful with the team ability changes though. 3. Yes. No CC due to armor just makes sense, they can tweak the numbers as needed then

Glad to see guys mostly agree. Awesome.

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Make the entire enemy team Moira

Ah yes, make tanks feel better by cutting off half their total health

@@Midguardsormr Yep, but did you actually read what i wrote or just write a dumb response? The "40%" damage reduction must have went over your head because that would be broken if we didn't reduce their total health in relation. All that really happens is supports can heal them 2x faster and they don't explode while being healed as easily.

@@Midguardsormrit’s actually the same amount of effective health, but now the tank won’t have to feel so reliant on their support

So... uh, you're suggesting that fixing tank is essentially making every tank except Orisa extremly shit? Why?

@@MadMax55777 Can you elaborate why you think my suggestion suggests that? I rewrote it slightly and made it more descriptive if for some reason part of it made no sense in it's more simplified form.

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I prefer the idea of overkitting every tank so that each tank could effectively brawl each other regardless of the outcome. Sigma and Ramattra are way better than Reinhardt for this reason.

​@@scumknight6074that honestly doesn't sound fun though. It sounds like every tank will be homogenous more or less, at which point you might as well just have 1 tank at all

Yup homogenize the role so no charters r unique. 6v6 is the way

This though process exactly, tanks need a new primary interaction after their job as meat shield, space taker was condemned with 6v6

Going along with this, is I think a good start to make the game more interesting IN GENERAL would be to give each hero a UNIQUE passive to who the hero is. Obviously this is a big ask right now, but I think having heroes that have unique passives would be a good step in improving the general health of the game overall. No other "MOBA" (not sure what else to classify OW as) has flat passives for each type of hero, instead each hero has unique passives that may have a good symbiotic effect with another hero whether it be passives working well together, or one hero having a passive that works well in conjunction with another heroes abilities. I think this would help not just tanks significantly, but also make the game more interesting to play. In my opinion, having flat role passives is extremely boring. Why does a spray-and-pray hero like bastion or tracer share pretty much the same set of passives as widowmaker? Why does Mei share passive effect with sombra? Obviously some heroes already have a semi-unique passive but its never anything particularly interesting or game-changing. This could also create room for tanks to have good passives that not only benefit their team, but also help them frontline better rather than just a flat, two-dimensional boring passive such as "cc less good on tank". A good example of an ability that had kind of the same effect but wasnt a passive was torbjorns shields he could put on the ground for his team to pick up. It wasn't hugely overpowered, but gave torbjorn a very unique ability that allowed him to be more than just a "point and shoot/ place turret" hero. Doing something like this with other heroes in the game, and maybe even giving torbjorn back his shields would help with a lot of things the game struggles with today. Afterthought: - Honestly, I think adding abilities back like torbjorns shield packs could make the game more enjoyable for not just tanks but for everyone else. It would provide a nice defensive buff that wasn't permanent for people, which helps lessen the impact of the new DPS passive, and helps take some pressure off the tanks WITHOUT taking away from the tanks purpose.

@@mckookie2967exactly, it ruins tanks design because now every take has to be good at being a frontline

@@mckookie2967 6 v 6 isn't the way, it's not gonna stop counter switching, it's not gonna stop tanks from feeling like a designer punching bag, and if it doesn't do those 2 things they 6 v 6 isn't a better solution in the slightest. The real difference from overwatch 1 is that counter swapping used to balanced out by disrupting your teams ult economy, which just isn't as true anymore since you retain ult charge when you switch. That's the change they should revert.

Out of the box! Nice.

Hm true, but then we have a scenario where we are basically encouraging the tank to feed to an extent, and that just wouldn't feel great... especially in the lower rank. I'm all for this idea, but obviously since it's such a different take on what to do with tank, balancing it won't be as easy.

i feel like 5v5 isnt flawed, but blizzard doesnt know how to balance it with their odd mentality of wanting every role to be able to do anything. Feel like the answer is make tanks tank, dps do dps, and healers heal. Rather than tanks being tanks and dps, and sometimes healers. Dps being Dps along with sometimes healer and sometimes tank. Then Healer being heals, along with almost always DPS and frequently tank. Give tanks a reason to exist rather than them being slightly more HP DPS

doom is by far the strongest tank atm if doom is s tier next tank comes in at B tier

​@@castamere3368they're supports not healers. If all they did was heal you can say goodbye to overwatch because no one will play supports anymore

@@diablotry5154 then why do you complain when supports dont heal?

@@castamere3368 I don't??? Lmao what are you trying to cook

That's a setting you can turn on in your settings

yup

No crits on tank is super bad. We want them to feel better and not pop but that would make them immortal

Orisa’s whole issue lmao.

@@diablotry5154 Tanks get a vote. Something needs to change. Balance team hasn't said whether they're ever going to fix the tank experience to suit 5v5. Being the lobbies' personal dinkydinky hero to make DPS heroes feel better is antithetical to their designed purpose. People who farm crit shots off the tanks head at the expense of shooting any other target is one of tank's primary issues and among the most obvious fixes. Don't make it fun to shoot at the tanks head and tank in general. The game balance should punish people who focus tank thoughtlessly. This happens in every other role based game. This isn't controversial. If they can make the headshot fix without any other adjustments to HP then slowly tune it back, it'll feel alright.

@@josephreynolds2401 no

Ez

No that means you incentivized to only play the strongest tank out of gate and for your dps and supports to swap last so they can hard counter the enemy tank the most for a easy win.

best hope you don't get unlucky and choose a tank the other team is countering.

Doom

That still leaves problems

??

1 Tank, 3 supports, 3 DPS, perfectly balanced as all things should be

nah bro, 8v8 is were its at

⁠@@wonderwafier3776nah there’s probably still gonna be the same issues if there still only one tank 2 tanks 3 dps and 2 supports could probably work better.

12 vs 12 (TF2)

As an fgc enjoyer, I second the idea. Probably just in comp tho, everywhere else it seems like too much hassle

Limiting choice sounds awful, and if I'm stuck on a bad hand I just lose? nah.

this genuinely somehow a worse tank change than going to 5v5, tanks counter swapping is a problem yes but support and dps can also counter pick you which is what happens

@@mckookie2967 No you can still swap just not to a counter that the enemy tank laid out. So it promotes neutral tank battles rather than I won first fight so they counter me and lose second fight because they hard countered me. Its one hero and it might not even be tank that they chose as the counter ban

@@denjii9 You can ban any counter if you applied this to roadhog you'd be able to ban the enemy from countering you with ana. Its just one character but you have the option to pick what that character is and it isn't a flat out ban.

How about hero locking, no more counter picking

​@@Midguardsormrno

@@diablotry5154 yes

Having only one support would be horrible imo. Puts way too much pressure on them. Half the supports just wouldn’t function as a solo support. And then you’d have to rework all the tanks to fit back with having 2 potential tanks. And it brings stuff like double shield back. It’s an interesting idea, but it does not sound like it would work out, and it would require reworking a ton of the tanks and supports. It would probably just end up forcing there to be only 1 DPS most of the time, and DPS is the most played role

I've had this idea for so long in my head but never saw anyone actually suggest it.