In this video, I share what the internal fault is that is most commonly heard as a rattle on cold start up on the v6 3.5 turbo Ford engines. The engine valve covers and front cover are already removed.
I had bought an 03 ford 6.0 power stroke, and spent $14,000 getting it fixed, know my son bought a 2012 3.5 eco boost. And that’s going to cost $5,000 to fix the cam phasers. At 125,000 miles. I recommend, to anybody and everyone, to buy a Chevy vortex engine!!!! They go forever!!!!!
This has been an issue for years. I have a 2012 F150 with the 3.5. Rattle started around 85K in 2016. I fought with the dealer about it since it was so well known about and widespread and I had the extended warranty to 75K. Ending up going 3rds with the repair cost with me, dealer and Ford. Things were good till last year. Now at 150K and rattle is back. Evidently, the first "fix" I had was an early one and didn't have the parts that are now know to be needed. I contacted FordTechMakuloco on YT and he gave me a $3500 price to fix. Sad to see the Ford still has issues with the EB so many years later. No way I am buying one again.
Hello, I have a 2018 F150 3.5 with 80,000 Miles I’m doing the cam phasers and everything else to go along with the job. (I don’t have enough money for Ford to fix it). I have it all torn down. The cam tool would not fit as the cam flat were a little off even when I moved the crank and the phasers. I did one complete turn to make sure it was TDC. I had the engine turned to 11 o’clock and 1 o’clock for the phasers with the crank at 5 o’clock. When I took the chain off to move the cams a little for the tool, the phaser were on preload and moved off the mark. I counted the links from dot to dot on the old phasers and they are 13 links apart. Isn’t that going to mess up my timing? My new chains are color coded and they are 12 links apart. I know the timing did not jump because my truck was running perfect before I started. Thanks Don
the phasers will only go on the cams one way. the colors on the links need to line up on the markings on the phasers and the crank sprocket. as long as they all line up you are good to go. i dont normally count the links because the chains are all marked. hope that helps and its not too late
yea somewhere they changed styles. I noticed the 3.5 ecoboosted explorers and flex suv's I have worked on seem to have different enclosed ones as well.
Once Ford figures out a design is good, they jack with it until it's not. I'm not joking, Ford does that crap. They took what was a good 5.4 and made it worse, same with some 4.6's... but the 5.4's were worse. Cam phasers are the dumbest idea Ford ever had, and because it made them lots of money every other idiot company followed suit. They say Ford leads the way... well they're right, they sure do... right down a money pit hole.
I had a noise that got worse then eventually my truck just turned off and struggles to turn on/ stay on I have a couple different codes all leading to my bank 2 cam position sensors I’ve been trying to figure out if I would be able to toss a 21-22 timing kit into my 17 ecoboost to save the heart ache of buying a 17 kit and having the buy the new phasers separately
I have not personally done any 21 or 22 timing jobs yet unfortunately to give you any help I'm sorry. Inevitably soon though I will have a better idea if that would work or not. Until then, maybe in your best interest if you have to take it all apart to just do it right with the right parts.
If you buy the 2017 kit, you should still get the newest version of the cam phasers. The newest version came out January 2022, iirc. There is an updated part number that you can look up to make sure you're not getting the outdated part from the dealer.
My 2019 f150 with the 2.7 w 40k miles has a cold start rattle which the dealership says it is the turbo linkage. The sound goes away after 1-2 seconds. sounds a lot Like my old 5.4 when it’s tensioners went out. It seems a turbo rattle would continue for more than a few seconds. Or how would you tell between the two possible causes? Thanks for any words of wisdom.
typically the turbo rattle sounds more like a chain rattle. if the sound is heard from the front of the engine it is more timing related components. not too common tho on the 2.7L. turbo linkage rattle will be more heard on the back side of the engine and i believe you should be able to hear it when you snap the throttle too when the rpms start to come down you should hear it. the turbo linkage rattle will get worse and you will eventually hear it more often and longer. hope this helps
@kcoop99 man that's awesome. I bought a used 2011 with the 1st generation Ecoboost and right off the bat, I had to replace the timing and cam phasers. I still came out ahead because if the dealership would have done it, they would have wanted about 6k to 7k more for the truck than what I paid for.
depending on your engine and if the concern relates or not. engine size, trans type, etc. there is a tsb for a noise like you are describing. tsb 22-2061 "Some 2020-2022 Escape vehicles equipped with an HF45 transmission may exhibit a rattle noise on cold start up only when the engine is running. This noise may be more prevalent in cold weather conditions, typically at or below 0°C (32°F). This may be due to the software in the secondary on-board diagnostic control module C (SOBDMC) and on some vehicles also from the flywheel damper assembly. To correct this condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to reprogram the SOBDMC and if necessary replace the flywheel damper assembly. "
