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Ok, thanks for the link. Trust an arrogant engineer to think that they have a soooo much better idea than something that has worked flawlessly for decades. Good plan - replace a robust thrust bearing on #3 main cap with a small two piece washer! Hard to comprehend the stupidity.
I got a 5.4 3v that doesn’t like to keep a idle at times, there is a pcm code p0605 that workshop says replace pcm with no description. I’m not do you know if this code would be the source of my iss😊ue
The blue truck is 2007; It belongs to me! Thanks for the good work on the timing before and the current work! Brian does GREAT work; very meticulous and detail oriented... HIGHLY recommend to anyone needing Ford work done!
If I had to drive a Ford (or any vehicle) into combat, I'd want Brian working on the vehicle. Guy does the right thing 100% of the time. You're an asset, Sir. Glad to see your son learning at your side.
as a tech for 37 years i dont get impressed by other techs often, especially ones on youtube but i have say this guy knows his shitz! hats off to you. not many techs left in the world just a crap load of part changers!
We have a 2007 Expedition. Didn't like to hear that it's "The one you want to avoid at all costs." I followed your videos 5 1/2 years ago and replaced timing components, VTCs, oil pump, etc. and it's been running well ever since. You saved us thousands. Thanks!
I have a 2007 as well, did my manifolds and timing chains 7 years ago. I never knew to look at the crank play back then, been running 5w30 synthetic ever since and has been fine
I felt the same way a couple months ago when he said you definitely want to stay away from 2018-20 5.0L due to cylinder bore issues. I had previously recommended my father in law get a 2020 F150 with a 5.0L. I had always heard the 5.0’s were bulletproof.
This man has made a living making lemonade from lemons, he is a good mentor for any young mechanic and he doesn't mind sharing knowledge he has learned from many years of working on these engines. His explanations on examples of particular types of engine noise and what they mean is pure gold and he just shows it to us for free. That's how great he is.
I love your comment and I will say that he can work a few more years before retiring and will not run out of work on these engine's!! I hope to keep my 2009 5.4 130,000 running for a long time I'm watching for tell tale signs of failure due to watching these videos. If I lived closer I'd take my truck to him just for his option and pay for it!!
I assume the young guy is your son,he got lucky cause he got the best teacher to learn all the tricks he will need to fix any mechanical issue!thanks makuloco for being teaching us all this time!
I've been so lucky with my 07 expedition. 300k miles..just replaced the VCTs as they were toast. Getting the parts together for a full timing job this winter..as it has started to rattle for a second during some start ups. I'll check for this to make sure. I do change my oil every 3000 miles and have been using 5w 30 and a quart of lucus oil with every oil change for years. I really do love these trucks. My only gripe with the 5.4 on the expedition is the lack of room to work with 🤣😅 other than that I've been using it for years to tow my RV all over the country. It's been the most reliable truck I've ever owned. Has never left me stranded.
Wow, the belt on the tensioner is almost even more obvious with it right on the edge of the pulley. Thanks this was perfect, I have yet to see a bad one personally.
Yes it is another indicator but not as trustworthy. Aftermarket tensioners can also track to the edge like this even with a perfectly fine thrust washer.
Its the explanation Brian does with his videos that make all the difference, not just that the thrust washers are toast but that the crankshaft walks back and forth which causes a loss in oil pressure. Most tech would leave it at the trust washers are bad.
I'll give kudos to this tech who has the guts to rebuild these engines. Most techs I know got stung on some of these jobs because the motor was trashed. By the time I saw them they would go into a low idle rpm mode and they sounded like a diesel because the oil pressure was too low and the cams became out of timing (at least on one side) and barely running at idle. Motor was trashed at that point. Always best to verify oil pressure but on a 4x4 that was a pain to do and the motor needed to be fully warmed up too.
Great video! The other tell-tale is the serpentine belt almost rolling over the front edge of the tensioner pulley because the crank/dampner is too far forward.
Yep it is I noticed that right away myself, but that alone may not mean anything if the pulley bearing is worn. Of course inspection of the pulley would verify it.
I was a foreign car mechanic for 20 years and the operation you are describing is the very first thing I always did when I got an old style VW beetle into my shop and that was to check for and play in the crankshaft because if there was excessive play in the crank shaft all other operations would be futile and it would only be a matter of time before the engine self-destructed. any money or procedures that you performed on this type of engine would be like playing a one armed bandit at a casino .
When that crankshaft moved as you pried down below I jumped in my chair. Spooky. It's NOT supposed to do that. Whew. But it's great for someone to tell the truth. Bless you Brian - you are teaching your son well. Ethics. Values. Doing the right thing. Open communications. Thinking and analysis not random wandering. Great work at fair prices. The customer comes first. Etc. Etc.
A great explanation of something I would not have thought to check! Thank you for sharing your years of experience with us. This sure makes me appreciate the old-school 4.6 in my '98 Mercury Grand Marquis. No phasers, just 2 valves per cylinder... a basic text-book V-8. Except for the lack of sparkplug threads in this era, if you stay up on the maintenance, this motor is pretty darn bulletproof. Just past 150K and it still runs like a watch.
Buddy of mine is a machinist, and he told me the 4.6 liter spark plug threads, or lack thereof, have put his children through college. The Ford 302/351 was an excellent engine. They haven't built a good one since, imho.
@@Holler_Rat I agree. I regret recently scrapping my 93 f150 with a 302, but I had to. The cab just rotted right out, shock and leaf mounts rusted, electrical problems, ect ect. Im still sad about it.
@@Holler_Rat What do you mean put you through college? I've installed dozens of inserts into these heads. No need to pull them etc. Charged perhaps 1 extra hour over sparkplug change to install an insert. How much was he charging?
My 05 has 275000 on it! Drive it every day! Had the phasers locked out on it time I bought it. Drive it every day, tow my camper, car trailer occasionally. Use full synthetic and change the oil and filter @5000 miles! Uses 1 quart between changes. See a dozen of them every time I go to town.
I'm so glad my 2008 came with a 4.6L 2V. Totally by accident. The lot was full of 5.4 3V's but I wanted 4WD supercab with a towing package. Someone nearby had this one so I lucked out. Who knew back in 2008?
I know that I was blessed to have my 06 Expedition go 248000 without even a timing job when I brought it up to you for the engine swap. I know alot of it was from using good quality oil and regular intervals.
“Avoid the ‘07’s”….lol, now he tells me( owned an 07 Expy since 2016)Followed your vids on changing timing set 3 yrs and 40k miles ago, still running great( 215k mi now). Thanks again Brian!
My 04 F150 had a 06 Expedition 5.4 swapped in at 205,000 miles. No excessive end play at 160,000 miles. It got the Melling high volume and high pressure oil pump, new Ford chains and cast tensioners using Rotella gas truck oil. Runs like a champ but after watching your other video I realized the Expedition injectors are still in it! Need to swap them out. If you didn't make the video I never would have known since its not throwing a lean code. Thanks for the videos!
I have an 08 5.4L 3V F150 with 158k miles. The truck/engine runs smoothly and has no noise or other issues at this time. However, I feel I have a ticking time bomb on my hands. I've watched several of your videos on the issues with this type of motor and the repair procedures. I am going to start gathering up the tools and parts to do a full timing, oil pump, roller rocker overhaul and other related replacements while I am in there. Your tutorials have been invaluable. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with all of us.
@@emagee7864 You can do something called locking out the phazers which u can do by putting blocks in the slots thatthe phazers move and then delete the phazers out of the ECU so there is no VCT system
I've got a 04 ford f150 4.6 liter and so far it's been a good one so far..I know one thing you are the best mechanic I always seek out your channel when I have a problem with my truck thank you so much buddy
My understanding is that the 4.6, whether the 2v or the 3v, is not as prone to the typical Triton issues as the 5.4. Also, if I remember correctly, 2004 F-150's still had the 4.6 2v. My grandmother's 2007 Mercury Mountaineer has the 4.6 3v, and it's been a very reliable car, with no major issues with the engine, granted, my grandmother has been pretty good about having preventative maintenance done to the car.
Can't say I ever seen that much end play on a running engine! Just thinking of all the related parts, rods, wrist pins and pistons doing that dance. Good to see the next generation of tech next to his "oldman"! He has the best example of GOOD hard work and reputation! Thanks Brian 😎✌🤟
You should start a Ford Tech Training program in your shop to pass on your experience and knowledge to others, in a hands on environment. Great tips and info - thanks!
No training program. Just watch his Videos. And pay him for his time. Basically he is giving away his knowledge to everyone out there willing to learn.
@@FordTechMakuloco Oh I can imagine, must take time for these. It's just great when you put something new, always informative. I wish I lived closer to your shop. My 2013 King Ranch Expedition would like it also needing work these days lol.
Thanks for the video. I was all ready to spend money on a timing job and then i found this video. Checked my 05 and sure enough, about ¼in end play in crankshaft. Now I'm getting ready to drop a new engine in. Thanks again, Brian.
Great video, you leave no doubt to someone who may not know exactly what you’re talking about immediately, by showing two or three times and pointing with a prybar easy to follow you can see everything very clearly. Thanks
i own a 06 , 5.4 3v f150, so i enjoy watching brian's videos and getting the hell scared out of me, ive noticed his t-shirts and finally googled BSG auto to see what he was about, and being a 24 year retired vet from TNARNG i even appreciate him more for his service to our country... :) thank you for your service brother... :)
Damn that's handy to know. I've been split on what to do with my expedition, having a simple test that can save a lot of future heartache is priceless.
I LOVE this channel...Thank you Brian! We need more HONEST mechanics that actually do the repairs right and don't pad the bill with stuff that doesn't need fixed.
My brother had an AMC 360 in a Jeep with over 1/2" of end play, and you could see daylight through the top of the main bearings. I could literally pick the crankshaft up while it was still in the block and bolted down. That end play Brian is seeing is pretty significant too. Keep up the good work Brian as I always appreciate your top notch videos.
I came here because I was looking at a 2007 F150 on Craig's List: " 07' with 122k miles. 4X4... V8 5.4Liter... runs great. I listed the truck way below blue book value [$6,500] due to it needing a timing chain. I am selling it AS IS at that price. If I end up fixing it, the price will raise up to accommodate the work. Either way, it's a steal. " 0:40 "07-- the Sweet Spot you want to avoid at all costs! (It's a steal, indeed!)
You are an awesome teacher. I wish you’d start your videos with the vehicle running and or on the road driving so we can learn to diagnose the problems. I have no idea how the motor was functioning with this pulley flexing.
Brian, the other clue is where the belt is running on that tensioner. It's not centered. I had the same issue with my Caravan when the harmonic balancer was walking off the rubber mount. I could see that the belt was not centered on the tensioner pulley. Excellent video. Thank you
While this can be another indicator it is not to be relied on for this condition. Many aftermarket tensioners track toward the edge where as the blue truck I already did a timing job on received a Ford Tensioner which tracks close to center.
I thank you for all of your videos! I own a (2009 F-150 130,000 miles) It's not sounding like anything is wrong but I am thinking of doing the oil pump timing and rollers.. It is still in nice condition body wise and I would like to keep it for several years. I love every video you have posted! I know this isn't the video I watched earlier but such great info about the thrust washer!!
had same problem 08 197000 miles pulled pan and saw the 1 half of the thrust bearing in the pan ,pulled engine put a reman crank and bearings in . the cylinders still had cross hatch visible measured tapper and it was mint put in new rings ,new timing etc. runs like a top has 6000 miles on it no smoke no problems , all thanks to brians videos it helped me out alot
Thanks for the informative videos i really appreciate it . I just went to help a friend put her serpentine belt back on. It flew off going down the road in the rain. I figured maybe it was a streached out old belt. So we put a new one on. Theis was a 4 cylinder in a Dodge Avenger. It came off again a few days later. So when i put it back on in a garage I could see that the belt was riding a full rib out on the tensioner just like the one in your video. If you notice the alignment is off on the next pully after the crank. I bet he engine might have thrust bearing issues. I would have never thought of that. Her tensioner felt good so i didn't think it was going bad.
I've had good luck with my '04 F-150 5.4 3 valve. I have almost 300,000 miles on mine. I've never touched anything inside. Oil changes pay dividends. Oil changes are cheaper than a new engine!
Thanx! Your videos are excellent, informative and very experiential! As if I am actually there discovering the issues for myself. God bless. This video will definitely save me headaches in the future!
This has to be the best video this year. I have never shied away from buying a 5.4. everything I own or buy are Fords. This was perfect timing pardon the pun. I'm going out tomorrow to look at a F-150 with the 5.4. I decided for this summer my project is going to be to make my own Raptor. I found a great deal on an 07 so it falls right there in the middle. When I am done with posting this I am going to get my pry bar and one of my pieces of wood and take it with me.
The idler pulley near the crank pulley, the BELT is at or past the edge of it... and all the oil on the bottom below the crank.. and Wow, in all the motion in the crank from wear in the bearings
I actually noticed on the bad thrust washer engine when you were viewing from the top down.....you can see on the idler pulley to the left how far forward the belt is riding as well. There's a good 1/4" of pulley showing towards the engine and the belt is real close to the front of the pulley......not normal. I used your timing vids when I did the job on my wife's '05 F150. I also found 4 loose roller followers that I otherwise wouldn't have looked for without your vids. Thanks!! If I can ever return the favor in my area of expertise (jet skis) you just holler!
I had the same prob 2005 FX4. Went for a timing job around 124k miles and found out the crank had 1/4” play. Cylinders and block were like new with the synthetic oil. Installed a crank kit, new mellings 360 oil pump, Ford VCT gears/chains and she is running fine. Still love my FX4.
New crankshaft with main bearings and gasket set in one kit. Don’t remember if the rod bearings were included or we bought them separately. The crankshaft in my engine ate the thrust bearing and scored the crankshaft, it was un repairable.
Thanks as always brother for sharing your extensive knowledge , you virtually held my hand on my 06 5.4 3v 3years ago when I did a timing job and I squeaked another 40.000 miles out of it before it died @ 260k by that time I was in a position to buy another Ford 2012
Thank you for all your videos. Your a awesome ford tech. I own a 2004 f150. It's got 116 000. Miles on it. I guess I need to get junk it out. When I see these problems.
This would have been super helpful to know back in 2019 before I dumped a ton of money into all the timing components. My son drives the truck now and I was noticing some oil spots in the driveway and I got underneath it and it appears to be the rear main seal leaking so it leads me to believe it has this issue
I have an 07 F-150 KR 4x4 5.4 3v with pretty low mileage 82800. I have a light knock that just started. It’s at idle. I’m about an 8 hour drive from Brian’s shop…. I’m so tempted to just drive it there and leave until everything is taken care of.
FordTechMakuloco my teacher Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us God bless you and all your family around you Take care ACCOMPLISHED FordTechMakuloco From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
On the top view of the bad crank, you can also see that the belt isn't riding centered on the tensioner pulley (lower left in shot). It looks like the belt is riding over the front edge of the pulley.
Brian I have an ‘06 F150, 5.4 3v with 270,000 miles. Bought it used in 2010. I’ve been using full synthetic for years and I switched to 5W30 years ago before I ever saw your channel due to living in coastal Alabama and not being subject to sub freezing temps. No engine work of any kind has been performed. Oil changes, recent spark plug change, throttle body cleaning and coolant flush are all that have been performed. Did I just get lucky with this one?
You can also see that the drive belt on the worn engine isn't running on the center of the smooth drive pulleys anymore. Seems that would be a dead giveaway. Great vid as usual👍
While this can be another indicator it is not to be relied on for this condition. Many aftermarket tensioners track toward the edge where as the blue truck I already did a timing job on received a Ford Tensioner which tracks close to center.
you can see it on the tensioner where the belt is riding, the one with the crank walk has the belt riding on the edge of the tensioner towards the radiator and the one that is fine has the belt riding on the edge of the tensioner towards the timing cover.
You can also tell from where the belt is riding on the tensioner, because of the dampner moving forward its causing the belt to walk towards the front of the tensioner pulley I have seen it so bad that it was causing belts to be thrown off from the belt shreading.
