The most important thing is the smaller size. Gen 2 was slightly too big for some of the street circuits wich resulted in more crashes and less action than Gen 1. Hopefully Gen 3 will reverse that while being faster overall. I am convinced that most if not all racing series could be improved by using smaller and lighter cars, even if they went a tiny bit slower. What use is laptimes when you dont get wheel to wheel action anymore?
They will be evaluating adjusting the circuits due to the new pace. The fact that they're only just doing this now, is either really good or really bad, but we won't know until next season.
@@dekyiyangzom2632 No won't happen, F1 is a formula series. The FIA makes an set of rules and the teams design their own cars that must fit within the rules. In Formula E the cars are made by Dallara and the teams can make the drivetrain themselves. These cars will look exactly like this but with better liveries. That said the front motor recovery is interesting. And i would also like to see that in F1 from 2026.
@@1barnet1 I think he just meant a design can grow on you over time. Seeing the car actually in motion and stuff instead of stills in a void gives a different perspective and make them look better. In that line.
I wonder if motorsport really need to be moving as hard to electrification. Heat pumps in houses would help immensely more. Not quite electrification but green-isation, E10 is a joke at the moment. Heating, agriculture, industry, transport are key sectors. Passengers cars...not so much.
@@jesperhammarlund300 never?! I think you should pull your neck back in with claims like that. F1 will most likely be electric at some point, unless another technology surpasses it. Why wouldn't F1 ever be able to achieve 40% regen?
@@jesperhammarlund300 😂 Come on brah. The formula might be linear but up until this season. Powertrain development was custom within the regulation Formula. In FE, yeah the tech is kinda cool but the there's next to no development, save with the motor, software and set up.
@@procatprocat9647 FE has electric exclusivity signed with FIA. lasting untill 2040. Meaning even if F1 wanted to go full electric. They can’t. Untill 2041 at the earliest. Thats quite long time from now. FE will be at the Gen 6 car by that point lol. F1 has to stay petrol. Or say they go Hydrogen cells. But hydrogen cars is already dead. It never took on.
I know that when things change in motorsport, the first comments you hear are the die hard fans complaining about change. No real surprise, then, when FE alters anything, people step up to yell their complaints. If you take a close look at the shape of both cars, the most radical difference is the lack of the wheel covers. The overall change in the shape of the car is not that drastic. And considering the wheel covers are the first thing to come off in close quarters racing, I wonder what do they really add to the car. Maybe there is a reason the vast majority of open wheel race cars don't have wheel covers. I always thought the Gen2 car looked like an RC car with real drivers. Personally, I think the Gen3 car looks more like an honest open wheel race car. That said, it will be interesting to see what an FE car with more downforce looks like on track.
At 1st I was pro wheel covers for efficiency but given the contact liberties teams take with them, I am glad they've gone. The overall design is still a bit gimmicky over performance for my likes but I slowly come to just accept that that's just what Formula E is.
I'm a die hard racing fan and I would like to see pretty much everything about Formula E change, its got promise but at present its rubbish. 1st forget the looks, make an efficient high downforce low drag body, doesn't matter what it looks like. 2nd get rid of the street circuits, a proper circuit with run offs so the mostly unskilled drivers they have would cause fewer accidents and then hopefully fewer safety cars. You could penalise excursions outside "track limits" to encourage them to stay on the black stuff and not use the run offs as circuit (that could be used on all forms of racing). More racing and less clearing up.
pagani huayra, well the R has a wing but every huayra mostly rely on small independently controlled airfoils/flapps(?) To keap the car glued to the ground
Basically everything about this is good. Lighter, smaller, faster, more regen. Initially the only downside I would have said was the styling, as it looks a bit of a step backwards without the fairing over the wheels. But seeing the in motion shots it actually looks pretty cool and techy.
FE is losing weight with more power and F1 is gaining weight with same'ish power. I think i could better get into FE if Adrian Newey designed the kit/spec car
Yep. And FE is only 8 years old while F1 is 72 years old. Also not much will change in the 2026 rules. Weirdly the MGU-H will be removed which is a downgrade and V6 will remain the same. The only upgrade is the MGU-K which will be bumped up to 350kw
@@jesperhammarlund300 MGU-H was removed to ensure the entry of the Volkswagen group and their two constructors (Audi and Porsche). The MGU-H, even with its great efficiency with power, is quite expensive to build and removes the sound out of the V6 engine, which has been a massive complaint of fans since the hybrid era.
Are you suggesting FE and F1 are even remotely comparable? FE is so much slower it doesn't compare, FE race lenght is so much shorter it doesn't compare, Impact velocities are so much lower it doesn't compare. All these factors make it so F1 cars are by design a lot heavier to cope with the extra demands put on them.
@@bastiaanw FE (840kg) cars are probably the same weight as F1 cars which weigh in at min. 798kg, but pretty much every team said their car is overweight.
sorry for late response. Yeah F1 is at 798kg without fuel. Bone dry tank. When fully fueled it weigh in at a wopping 909kg (with driver) While FE again is at 840KG. And that weight stays the same. Cus a battery is same weight at 0% and 100% charge. But i can understand it’s not a fair comparison cus F1 race’s are longer at like 1 hour and 30min While FE is 45min +1 lap. But again FE gen 4 should take another big step. With more regen braking and AWD. Exciting times ahead for FE.
They don't mean turned back into tyres, and they do recycle F1 tyres too. They could be cryogenically frozen to get "crumbs" to make roads with or undergo pyrolysis to get a few kinds of fuel. Cement factories use them a lot. Or they could simply be repurposed for other things, like building material.
It's a shame to see the wheel covers go, but styling aside, this car is more than just a step in the right direction, can't wait to see the racing it'll bring out for the next few seasons
Aero competition is worthless and expensive and bad for the racing show. They should never open the aero, but they should have some battery competition.
The real data I would like is lap time predictions compared to gen 1 and 2 along with range, could it be a full lap of Monaco now or have they kept the range the same now they have made battery smaller. ( how many KWH is battery).
They race the full layout of Monaco for two years now with an average speed of 132KPH a lap, making low 1:30's in full power mode... Gen3 theoretically is supposed to be F2 times, but for some reason they said "2-4 seconds faster" which are not even F3 times IIRC. Sounds a bit slow to me. The jump to 350kW, lighter faster and more downforce oriented car, should easily mean at least 10 seconds shaved off per lap. I can only assume it's because regen braking isn't as fast as normal hydraulic brakes, but it's beyond me to say.
@@vl3005 Everyone's heard me say this before but the limiting factor has and will still be, the rubber. It's much more grippier next season but it is still no match for full slick, or even semi slick tread (which they ought to adopt in some fashion anyway given that semi slick is road legal.) Anyway, this is why the performance will still lag far behind other Formula, even with the wick up to 800hp on both axels, it won't matter because there's little substitute for grip performance when chasing lap times. So yeah, whilst the aero and power is up, if the contact patch and adhere as well as other series to the tarmac, well we are where we are. Eventually FE will be forced to use more slick tyres. Gen 3 rubber is already more slick than Gen 2 and this will only exacerbate over time. I am not convinced it's because of the braking either because drivers said that with gen 2, the mechanical brakes was always the limiting factor for braking confidence, they were always happier to rely on regen, which is partly why it was dropped for next gen.
Also I believe the battery is the smaller but with the same capacity so more dense or its the same size, with increased capacity, more dense still but I can't remember which.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks it's smaller, and the capacity is decreased, only 40KwH usable. Not sure about energy density though... we're not quite there technologically speaking.
40% energy used come from regen sounds quite a lot. It would mean that the regen is able to provide 67% additional battery range. Of course 67% energy recovery is not needed to do this. The same energy regenerated will bring the car up to speed, and can be harvested again for more energy, albeit a smaller amount each time.
Hope FIA and Ross Brawn are taking notes for F1 😏 Not sure how I feel about the loss of wheel covers and sides though... 🤔Probably makes it harder for the drivers to judge where they are putting the wheel, but it also keeps the wheels from getting entangled in light side-to-side contacts, which probably prevented many crashes that would have otherwise happened in the narrow city circuits with tight turns and close racing... but then again, it might have unconsciously incentivized drivers to go for contact in a fight rather than avoid it 😅
I know this would be more inefficient but I really hoped the front motor would also be able to power the wheels. A AWD single seater formula style car is something... new...
It would be interesting to see, especially on the dustier and dirtier circuits. Although something about it just feels wrong to me, can't put my finger on why though...
I guess the front motor could power the car too. I mean it's just a motor connected to the battery. The reason on why it isn't beeing used for acceleration is likely due to the fact that the cars would be too fast then. However the Gen3 car likely is able to use the front motor in another season if the rules allow it.
F1 has nowhere to go, their performance evolution ended long ago pulling the same times they were a decade ago. Formula E is just getting started, they can keep up with a F1 and within 10 years will be blowing the most advanced F1 out of the water in every single aspect. Watching the evolution of the Formula E machines will be a sight to behold, excitement guaranteed !!
I got all excited at the start which drained away as the thing was described. With the 200mph top speed perhaps its time to get the cars onto a proper circuit and realise it potential. I expect I'll give it a watch but I've never managed it through a race yet. Too many walls, too many drivers hitting them and too many safety cars.
Unfortunately that’s not the idea of FE. The main idea has been to race in cities: -To prove that they can be used on actual street and not purpose built circuit (or something like that) - To reduce the carbon footprint of spectators traveling to circuits that are usually far from majority of the population.
@@philspencelayh5464 I do agree it probably does. But I also don’t think you need to go super fast to be entertaining too. The track design would make or break it cuz some tracks are really entertaining to watch.
Looks too angular for my liking , would have liked to see a more flowing design with AWD The only fighter jet it looks like is the NightHawk stealth fighter
@@Sweaty__Sheep maybe with Gen 4, in 2026-27. remember this is the first time ever in a formula series to have a front motor. So they wanna see how it will work first before they open it up to driving the car aswell. For the first time ever F1 is not ahead of the tech game. FE is. Which is a new era.
@@Sweaty__Sheep indeed. They could probably make the car's 4wd at the flick of a switch, but it's great news that they didn't. Extra weight to carry but the front brakes are more powerful than rears, hence the incredible 40% figure. Good choices!
@@Sweaty__Sheep It does have a drive motor, it's literally the same, diff, the front axle features a drive shaft, it's just not active for drive and only for regen, for some reason. Either way, for 2024 refresh cycle, it appears that they will activate it for some extra power boost like P2P in Indy and the like.
Ok modern F1 cars are very heavy, but im really not jealous at these oversized vacuumcleaners. This class will disappear in the future because electric engines are not the solution.
@@ml8022 Electric engines are silent powerful small and efficient. They are already taking over many tasks in industry and transportation. They are the current technology and the future. The question lies in how will we fuel the Electric engines and the solutions are transport modality specific
@@ml8022 hydrogen uses an fuel cell to generate electricity which fuels the electric drivetrain. Hydrogen is with current technology far less efficient and it will never become as energy efficient as chemical batteries. That being said it can store far more energy with far less weight. And with higher energy demands that may be the better solution. I just don’t see it for consumer cars.
I do like the way Formula E is evolving! They're doing great job! Please, define a race car... Small, light, agile car with good handling... That is like 70% of what brings good attractive racing... PLEASE!!! get rid of that bouncing, heavy ships from F1... PLEASE, give the best drivers in the world some machinery which they can actually use and show their skills!!! These ships need "airport style" circuits to be able to produce racing... and stupid DRS...
formula e car design never really looked nice to me. what's even more weird is that i dont know why the design is unappealing. it is futuristic but the sharp angles makes me wonder the practicallity.
0:16. The Brabham BT 52, as beautiful as it was, has never "reigned supreme" by any stretch of the imagination. It won 3 races with Piquet, one with Patrese, and won the championship at the last race because the other cars (Prost and Arnoux) broke down. Besides the fact Piquet was a very good driver (besides being a racist and a homophobic), Brabham was the first team to introduce refuelling in 1983, and had an advantage until other teams caught on. Aditionally, Castrol introduced a highly controversial fuel (extremelly carcinogenic) half way into the season that gave the BMW engine a substantial advantage. But the car was good looking for sure.
With all the braking coming from the motors that's impressive cooling they must have Even with small scale brushless motors in remote control cars if you do all the braking with the motor you will cook it and it will loose it magnetism over time
@@procatprocat9647 I think most esc on rc vehicles are capable of regeneration especially now its mostly brushless motors, but since the batteries/motor are so small the couple minutes extra run time won't be that noticeable
Concentrating so much on sustainability, recyclability and carbon emissions sure distracts from the total lack of engineering advancements... If you want new things to be better, you must INNOVATE.
interesting.... but i thought rubber could NOT be "recycled" after it has been vulcanized; the only thing you can do with used tires is create tire barriers around race tracks, or shred them to be used as rubber lanscaping mulch or on the ground to protect kids in playgrounds. Am I wrong about this, or are they 'recycling' these tires in another way?
Pretty sure they melt the tyres down, and mix the components with extra rubber to recreate the tyres, pretty effective at ying the least amount of rubber possible
I know I'm in the minority here, but I prefer Gen 3 to Gen 2. Both aesthetically - the Gen2 fenders are ugly - and techwise - it's just a lot more advanced.
The seats are made from flax fibre. Oh wait, they mentioned linen. Linen is flax fibre fabric, so yes they actually use them even for the structural bits.
This is great, but I still want F-e to incorporate some kind of Pit Strategy. Maybe something like quick change-removable-sustainable battery packs of differing capacities and power (akin to hard, med, soft tires).
@@jesperhammarlund300 And they confirmed exactly what you said. 30s 600kW Pitstop for 4kWh more energy during that 30s (which is pretty ludicrous), then they will have attack boost which will give an pretty big boost (maybe even using the front motor?) and they also got rid of fanboost.
My only complaint about Formula E is the street layout format. Same thing w/F1. Too many street circuits. I know that was the way to attract people but how is crashing into walls cost saving? Racing cars need run-off space PERIOD IMO.
600hp of braking power, as compared to 1000 of a bone stock corolla. sure don't see how this can be a problem. i think they're overestimating how much regen they'll be able to do.
The problem Formula E has at the moment is all the tracks are the same twisty type boring street tracks. We need to see them on proper tracks, with long straights and fast corners. However I guess the batteries are just not up to it yet!!
Formula 1 aims to produce the ulimate fastest cars on the planet, but formula e has a more sustainable approach with the quality of close racing in mind. For the past few years, overtaking and close following has been amazing in formula e so they’re trying to keep that going even with faster cars
Interesting how woman seemingly overnight just all the sudden became leaders and technical development directors of nearly every aspect of life. I’m sure it’s all them with no male input and I’m sure they earned that position on merit. Yay woman!