Forza Motorsport 7 is Better than Forza Motorsport (2023) | Yeah I Said It... 

I'm very dissapointed in the new FM. I still cannot believe they've released game with less content than FM6 (not even 7) and with less visual fidelity than FM5 (go try it and then tell me i'm wrong). Also, this all-encompassing yellow tint which is present due to some questional lighting choices + TAA anti-aliasing makes game look much, much less clear to the eye, and these actually BAD rain effects without the puddles on a roads (which were present in FM6), and no activities beside the races themselves... Just, what they've been thinking?

3:01 cars look worse in the new game.

It took 6 years to get slightly better? Dan what is even happening with racing games these days.

Off topic, i see you use moza, how do I set up my R12 so it has more feel at center

I haven’t played FM yet but FM7 looks way better and i think it has a better experience especially the online and campaign.the campaign no need to talk about its balanced,enjoyable and gives u a really good reward in a way that u can change cars and tune really freely.the online was just pure fun(to me) especially the drift sessions that i would go for hours just drifting with random players or drag racing or trying ur tune to see how ur car peforms in a race trac with no issue in money wise. i had 500+ hours and about 500 cars the game was almost perfect (cant wait to go back to the game)

Content Wise Yes Physics Wise No

Love you content, but I am going to disagree with you big time with the new physica/FFb only being slightly better on the new Forza. It's a massive difference. It's not just the FFB settings, but when you get the tuning right, the GT cars are amazing to drive. I played FM7, where I started my sim and racing game career, again before FM8 came out and man the driving on FM7 is just so bad. I thought Grid 2019 and PC3 had good FFB simply because i was comparign them to FM7. That being said, I absolutely agree with the rest. Even the new "ranking" system is entirely broken. But graphics make me want to scream. I run a low FoV and max graphic settings with capped framerate and motion blur off, but everything looks out of focus if it isn't directly infront of me. I struggle to see braking markers because everything looks so muddy. It's ridiculous. Not to mention the lighting. OMG the lighting. I did a comparison of AMS2 VIR North vs Forza at night heavy overcast. Even with all the added lights on Forza, you can barely see the track, because nothing gets lit up. On AMS 2 with no lighting past the start/finish, the headlights alone were clear enough to make seeing super easy. What the hell is wrong with this game!?!? Seriously. I don't even care about super graphics or ray tracing. Please, for the love of god fix the out of focus and baked in motion blur. Let me see sharp iages with clear contrast. And fix the lighting for the love of god. Boot up Forza Horison 5 and it's night and day. FH5 looks absolutely stunning, runs smooth, and crystal sharp. It never really gets dark there, but the lighting is very illuminating with lights and the distance clearly visible at night.

Thanks for posting this. My main issue with FM7 is ... that I never managed to get the wheel to work properly. The FFB seems just wrong. May I ask for your detailed settings with the Moza wheel?

Never played any of the forza games as didn't have an Xbox, got one yesterday and got this for £10 in Cex shop, will be playing this over the weekend

Nice video! I see you use MOZA wheel on Forza title. Do you mind if I can ask if you suffer stuttering or FPS drop while playing it? I am suffering costant FPS drop while playing FM7, FH4 and FH5, by checking online it seems to be a problem related due bad Microsoft support on MOZA products. Any clue how to solve the problem?

Tbh FM7 had only one problem that made me quit it after a month or two of playing. Crashes to desktop that I couldn't deal with whatever i've tried. I'm still praising this game though because it was what made me buy my first wheel, and i'm super thankful for that to this day. Simracing is amazing!

Well, FM 23 runs very good @1080p, really no issues... But I agree on it being a serious downgrade from 7. If only online services hadn´t been down for 2 years now...

time of day and night plus weather system is amazing but they need fix many things and add more content to make FM8 great

Not to mention the chromatic effect the cars have on the new game

I'm now getting pretty good clarity and performance on AMD 5600X, MSI 3080SC, 32GB RAM with Motorsport 2023 but there's no doubt a 2017 game here doesn't look far off if not better in terms of sky and trackside objects. FFB and handling is genuinely pretty decent in the latest game but they have more tyre contact points so that's to be expected. The AI is no better in 7 I see though 😂

If Dan likes fm7 better than fm23, then i like fm7 better too😊 looking forward to the podcast. Peace✌️

I attempted three races on FM today and all three crashed

I've been playing Forza Motorsport 4 a lot lately.

FM was built from ground up while FM 7 had years of updates and reused assets from previous versions. I don't mind playing it still as I found the new FM boring for now.

I avoided the new game because of all the issues people reported. I figured I would wait until the game is fixed and if there is still a community left playing it at that time I would pick it up. I need to get back into Forza 7 though, haven't played it in quite some time now.

I agree with your opinion, many wrong decisions in the newest game and it just feels badly directed, like lots of mistakes have been made and still pushed in production rather than taking the time to address the issue.

As someone with experience in software development, it doesn't add up at all, in one hand you have turn 10 owned by Microsoft, and they should've have more than enough manpower for sure, also isn't this the same team as horizon? Those game run phenomenal on PC they look awesome as well, maybe all that "build from the ground up" was just pure PR bullshit to build hype, this seems either like a rushed product, maybe they scrapped some other version and started over, or the project was miss managed, by either not having focus or a defined identity, or maybe changing hands and directions several times, in due time for sure we'll know what really happened during development

That’s weird I have Motorsport 2023 maxed out settings wise but I run it at 1366x768 and I see 80fps on my 5800x3d and 6950xt gpu. I don’t find 7 better than 2023.

Why is this a hot take lol? I could have told you that

FHs has better FFB than FMs

I agree. I put too many hours into 7 - have put many hours into 8, multiplayer gameplay in 7 was better. There's something really broken in the physics in 8 which is occasionally apparent- for example racing last night in the Ferrari 430 spotlight car, car tuned perfectly - do practice/ qually and hit every apex perfectly, loads of grip - go to the race and three cars are racing closely side by side, not touching but really close and all the while there is no grip as if all the track rubber has just disappeared or as if the weather conditions have just changed, even though its a constant dry track. Eventually I pull a gap and immediately the grip comes back, then its easy to pull away from the others still sliding around. How many times have you been racing online and seen the leader pull away an unbelievable gap, its not just skills - its broken. 7 was better.

0:30: "Prequel" is the wrong word. "Predecessor" works. But FM7 is not a prequel to FM.

Forza 6 is better than 7, 4 better than 3, 3 better than 2 etc the only exception was 5 which was awful, not quite as bad as forza 8 though its by far the worse becwuse there's literally no excuse for a game "built from the ground up" to be this bad, even the handling and physics are odd, bouncy and racing competitively is impossible because the cars stick together like glue and you always end up in gravel traps. Meanwhile gt7 in sport mode is near perfection.

God forbid Gran Turismo 7 comes out on PC this year with no major issues. With VR support or even triple monitor support. That would be the end for Forza Motorsport 8 on PC. Forza Motorsport 8 was made just to be a game. Not a great game. It's what you get when a game developer has no fear of " will it sell well". Gamepass made them super lazy.

FM7 is better. It's still my go to sim racer. It looks amazing and has great controls. The racing is fast and exciting. The cars sound fast and visceral which is important for me in a racing game.

Forza Motorsport add boring cars I rather I go back to Forza Motorsport 7

Not a chance with a wheel the ffb is AWFUL the difference between the 2 is HUGE fm7 is near unplayable without a controller and that's just not fun.... I miss the variety of vehicles and tracks but the gameplay is definitely worse

Forza Motorsport lacks tracks!!

Forza Motorsports plays smoothly for me on my midrange pc. I get between 60fps - 78fps in the game with no stuttering or lag. All settings at high but motion blur disabled. AOC U34G3XM 34" 3440 x 1440 144Hz AMD R5 5600X Curve optimizer set to all cores , negative - 22 and the CPU hits 4.8ghz AMD RX5700X DDR4 3733 CL17 ram {flock set to 1866) MSI B550 tomohawk

Forza 7 is hardly playable on a FFB wheel, even if you bodge it with third party software. Additionally, you haven't been able to buy it in ages so it's not relevant either. FM8 not running smoothly may be down to a few things, but it can and does run smoothly if you set it up correctly. Random frame drops sounds like forced rebar/SAM. The game doesn't like it. Turn it off. Or you're running out of VRAM. I personally run an 80fps cap and can hit it comfortably 99% of the time. Don't tell Turn10 and their 60 fps multiplayer cap. I ain't playing at 60. Especially with FFB being broken in first person.

Both are trash for supposedly sim titles

Forza motorsport 2023 have better physics 👌