Forza Motorsport VS Assetto Corsa | Same Tracks & Same Cars 

it speaks volumes

Updates on AC? Like Minecraft has had so many graphical updates. It looks like a new game. You think that ac hasn’t had any modern updates?

100%! Apparently if you're in VR and you put your head close to the windows it fogs up... unreal.

For me, it's on the level of DriveClub

​@@bordibalintI can confirm this is true 👍

its not a simulation lol

@@MCplayer94 It is, as it's mimicking the real world.

AC is only good with mods.

Best thing about Forza on the update. The cars actually feel grounded with weight. They have always felt a bit floaty and airy

a lil to heavy@@robfarmer9272

Beamng better

agree@@syygnis

"3 to go" "Final lap. Finish strong"

Yeah Forza looks great but doesn't go without mentioning the quantity of modded content in AC compared to the brand new Official aaa racing game. AC doesn't have rain or night weather conditions from standard so it's crazy they are even being visually compared.

Not bad but it looks so trash

@@runninginthe90s75 Well, the better graphics do not help FM with its shitty ass arcady physics engine... So there you go :)

AC’s always been a good looking game tho

@@fifteen8850 Facts. Just needed night/rain simulation.

ACC is for people who want a Real simulation...Not for casual players. Forza aims for an larger audience. Most people want a fame more realistic then need for Speed, but still playable with Controller. ACC is impossible to play with Controller.

What the f••• are you talking about? I played AC:C with a gamepad and had some issues until tweaking the settings (a lot), but it is certainly possible to play AC:C with a controller. I recently picked up a wheel (after 20 years without using one) and noticed how similar GT7 is with and without one. Oddly, I'm just way more aggressive playing with a controller. My lap times are faster in GT7 with a controller, but my laptimes are also much less consistent than when I'm using a wheel. Basically, I drive more conservatively in GT7 (and most other games) with a wheel than with a controller. More strange is that I instantly correct for losing grip with countersteering on a controller, but I find it difficult to even notice when I'm losing grip with the wheel (even though the visual and audio cues are the same using both controller types). That also explains why I drive more conservatively, adding 2 or more seconds to my laptimes. I'm using the Logitech G29 (because I really can not justify buying a direct drive wheel for >$500 even though racing is effectively my preferred gaming genre). What I have noticed (and it's been more than 10 years since I've driven sideways in real life, so I could be mistaken), but the way FFB works in the G29... feels wrong. When the rear slides out, even a little FFB goes totally limp, and I just don't ever remember that loss of force ever being a thing with a real car's steering... maybe these new fully electric power-steering cars do that, but cars with physical steering don't do that to my recollection. At best, it's just a strange cue to tell you to countersteer, and the wheel also makes it easier to counter by easing resistance, but to me, it's the hardest thing for me to get used to about using the wheel and so far every game I've played using the G29 treats losing grip the same way, FFB effectively disappears. The pedals are another story entirely, and they provide no dynamic responses to actions, whereas real car pedals do. All-in-all driving using a wheel and pedal set-up is not taking you that much closer to driving a real car... which, on the surface, sounds like a really strange thing to say.

@@MikeTennerOfficial This is not ACC, it's just AC.

AC physics are absolutely dreadful based on this video. Look at 1:45 as it turns the corner, looks like it’s on rails, reminds me of GTA 5

You guys are talking about AC Conpetizone. That game isn't as good as AC

You make me feel old. I remember playing STUNTS on DOS and feeling like it's the peak of 3D simulation.

@@bordibalint oh I played DOS games too 🤣🤣😥

attitudes like that will have studio's copy & pasting every game not advancing.

Ha, remember same too the Arcades were state of art compared to what you could get on you personal computer brand of choice at home, downside being the cost and time you got to play. Now you can do laps on most circuits worldwide whilst sat at home.

Yes it's a quirk of me prefering not to use the controller assist in csp as it introduces steering delay and I like driving with no latency. Downside it looks funny.

Like the horrible default wheel setting in FM 2023, the default controller setting in AC and ACC is disaster. But after some tweaking it could be as smooth as FORZA without the mandatory steering restrictions in FORZA

Hey in case you actually don't know what mods are or others are also interested they are short for modifications, it's something on pc to tinker with a game to make it behave differently by moving files. When it comes to Assetto Corsa (original not competizione) it means a new launcher (content manager) new weather system, tyre model, smoke etc (custom shaders patch) plus whatever track or car someone recreated that is not in the game or it's dlcs. These things have a free option and are super cheap so many people are drawn to havnig a game with 1000+ cars. And while some games have mod support on xbox like Fallout 4 (community made content mostly) Assetto Corsa does not. It's very rare for people to be able to modify console games Fallout has developer support for it. And lastly vanilla Assetto Corsa on it's own without any mods really shows it's age, it's a 10 year old game. For me it's the outdated tyre models that make it feel very off on console, on a wheel it's better but still. I say it you got interested in AC because of all the buzz around it, sadly it's only the PC version that's that good but that one is one of the best simulators to this day most people agree. Not so much on console sadly.

Thank you! It's the C7R in both games. Kunos version in AC

@@bordibalint Ahh I see. My bad, sorry for my lack of attention. I thought it was C8. I think AC is still the best in most area. The only drawback in AC is on the sound department, they lack of immersion. But C7R in this video sounds pretty decent, although it still has that "monophonic" feel to it.

That is mostly due to AC1 not having Night Time Races natively, same with Wet races. Those are custom Shader Mods and Physics mods, hence the inaccuracies in some parts

Depends on the track, the author has to add extra work to the map to give it proper night lighting. At this point most modded courses have night lighting and I think all the default kunos tracks do as well

Allegedly this forza is still using car models dating back as far as motorsport 4 so my guess is they're just unable to realistically interact with the new lighting engine.

@@bordibalint also all real copies of cars have mistakes like Mazda 7878 is missing tons of stickers that were in FM5 and this RSR is missing key sticker "Porsche Design Timepieces" on rear bumper of real RSR.

​@@bordibalint not just from motorsport 4 but as far back as motorsport 2 from 2007

I agrree as janky as my steering wheel movement looks in AC I prefer more movement. Like in The Crew Mororfest they now added hand-over-hand turning and it's sooo much nicer compared to the crew 2's limited almost f1 like super minimal wheel movements. Plus as someone who drives in real life too you don't have to be doing parking manouvers to see twice the movement as what forza has.

it’s because the amount of steering movement required to make a turn generally decreases the faster you go. if 900 degrees of steering angle was scaled to fit within the range of motion of a thumb stick, it would be very difficult to steer with any precision, especiallt at high speed. assetto has less damping and speed scaling of steering inputs than forza but there’s still some there. assetto just caters to more serious players while in forza you can just mash the stick all the way to one side and the car will automatically find the right steering angle for the speed you’re going.

I know sadly I forgot that the way it works in AC is you gotta let Pure run a bit and form some nice puddles on it's own and set the fog manually and stuff. Haven't messed with weather in a bit as I mostly use the presets. It would have been nicer that way I agree.

I know graphics only hold up thanks to the incredible mods we have but I prefer the handling of AC over every other sim it just feels soo natural and predictable to me.

What about Project Cars series? Are those any good

not really

@@user-tv4ei7us6r I haven't played racing games in a while but I remember really enjoying GT because if you got first place gold in all the races in a series, you'd win a car. I bought Forza for the Xbox one at launch and you didn't win anything for races, and it got repetitive pretty fast. I enjoyed winning cars and either keeping them or selling them.

@@bordibalintac is modded in this video?

That's what a fully upgadeable computer and avid patching/mod community will do for you

mostly because of mods

First this is original Assetto Corsa on Pc with mods NOT Competizione, second it's usually the steering wheel's own setting being higher turning angle that the game's. For example my T150 wheel can turn 900 degrees but GT cars have a turning rate of 500 or something I think that's why they can have formula 1 style and not circular steering wheels. Some games adjust themselves nicely to this but some don't.

@@bordibalint I forgot to mention I'm using a XBS controller. On Forza it looks fine but ACC looks odd when turning.

you can check something called steering lock and steering ratio in the settings but i don't know if you can change them on xbox when on a gamepad but they infulence how much your virtual wheel turns basically

@@bordibalint Thanks, I checked but unfortunately there isn't an option for the controller.

ACC looks worst than the old AC tho

​​@@RogueBeatsARGYou and the entirety of AAA games studios need to learn the same lesson. 👏GRAPHICS👏 AREN'T 👏 EVERYTHING

@@iraqifoodcart8447 Ok you right, AC still better then, better physics and ffb than Forza and Acc

@@iraqifoodcart8447 better sounds, better modes like Track Day, and don't get me started with the mods

@@RogueBeatsARG ACC is Full Sim and comparing it to FM2023 is fair don’t you think ? Hell Damage model is better in ACC …

it’s atrocious

Exterior is the Chaser Camera extension with the BACC - FH preset Interior is Neck FX with 'look ahead' and 'direction alignment:steering' disabled. (Set to 0%) Both in CSP

it looks shit m8

agreed, racing at night is so immersive, even if you know the track during daytime youre still afraid to drive it at night

well its mods, there is no way vanilla ac can do that. its also very depends on what ppfilter that you used

its just settings. unfortunately this comparison doesn't even do AC justice. It all comes down to ppfilter used (post processing), the settings in PURE config, the PPfiler settings in PURE, and if you have added reshade as well, then whatever else those settings do on top of that. The result on screen is completely different depending on which initial filter you use and how you tweak all these things. My night looks for example closer to FM, lights are stronger (like they should be), this AC here looks just dull in the night imo. Also the rain here in AC looks rather bad on the road. Really think this wasn't the best setup. I would say lighting, reflections, shadows, colour grading, and I will even dare say car details are way better in AC. FM has better volumetrics and way better geometry in backgrounds and details. Then again, we should compare SPA in day, with the 3D trees mod to FM Spa in the day. I still think FM will better in world detail and geometry, but man for a 10 year old game, the modding community in AC is freakishly amazing!!! The fact it even compares to a game that JUST came out blows my mind.

@DCFHazardRebornChannel yep AC is the way you set it up. I keep seeing people posting drift videos and their game looking completely different. Currently I'm on the latest csp and pure and the PPfilter I used was 'AC Aura Photo' (i know it's meant for photos but I really like how it looks). And the chase camera script I used is the forza horizon one. For the video I decided to use the settings in AC that I play with instead of trying to match Forza, made more sense to me personally.

​@@bordibalint yeah totally, it all comes down to preference. Oh yeah I like that filter too. Really sexy. The AC Acura Photo. Honestly I don't care what a filter is made for (like, if its meant for photos, lol) I just look at the result and well if your "photo filter" looks awesome Im gonna use it in game, hahaha. I was on Horizon Shades Sky for a while with my own Reshade setups. Some days ago I went to the latest SKY GT (v 1.5 or 1.6 or what was it), redone my reshade settings, and loving it :)

Sound is now more of a weakness in ac but I’ll take a little worse sound if it mean much more realistic physics

Yes. It is also mentioned in the video description.

Respectable??? In Forza, I fought for my life against rammers, every race was a fight.

@@searaider3340 He's being sarcastic lol

Sry my ptsd kicked in@@Fatal_Inertia

It's ok. I've noticed that some people haven't had that experience. I've had both and still love the game. Glad it's been good to you!

@@japanesegamergirl1 the truth about Motorsport multiplayer being chaotic?

At this point I should make a disclaimer as a pinned comment so many people say so many things about the forza footage. Long story short i'm on a 3070 but this video was captured and uploaded on launch day and the game stuttered like crazy and had hickups on lap segment triggers so after like 30 minutes of trial and error I had to set it back to it's default (for my gpu) settings which were most things high and auto. I believe it's much better now on pc but two weeks ago or so it really wasn't. As for track detail I always love more of it I think recent Grid games did an amazing job too making circuits feel more alive.

So you didn't have the ability to test it properly but you decided to test it anyway vs game that's had many patches next gen updates. Seems competent @@bordibalint

Can you just harass someone else with your gotem takes pls? First of all the game has been out at that point in early access for people who preordered. Second a game should launch in a playable state, period. Third I used Digital Foundry's recommended settings first, trial and error and resorted to default. Fourth how long should a person wait with such a video that doesn't even claim one game is better? Months? Years? How many people do you think would've been interested if I didn't upload it on launch day? Fifth AC is a 10 year old game it's not actively patched by devs it's the modding community keeping it alive. They are not compareable in these terms. Reason I am comparing them is because they are Pc serious track racing games / simulators use the definition you want. Also what do you mean next gen updates which game are you talking about the 10 year old modded one ore the one that just came out on next gen consoles? Talking about competence requires a bit more knowledge I'm sorry.

@@bordibalint agreed. I appreciated the comparison video. With the mods for AC the game looks quite admirable for its age. I just bought the ultimate edition today and I was quite surprised by the reflections on the hood camera. I think they’re quite comparable to FM, especially because of their resolution and refresh rate. I need to see if there are mods to add tracks to AC, because I wish there were more.

And to this day one of if not the most realistic in terms of handling. Many IRL pro racing drivers and drift champions still use ac to practice when it comes to sims like formula drift champion Andy Hateley for example or Chris Forsberg.

@@bordibalint 🔥🔥🔥

@bordibalint Assetto corsa is overrated, iracing destroyed it in term of being realistic

Yes, your comparison is unfair. See you in a few years when forza will also be patched, updated and modded.

​@coldburrito5818 it won't be though. Not the extent of ac. It has a 10 year head start, the mods are top notch, and the community is exceptional. I love forza but ac is the game to mod for sure.

@@joshuafallet5690 It doesn't have to be like AC, it just has to be good and to have an identity of its own. I'm sure it will evolve thanks to add-ons and patches. I prefer diversity so more racing games means more options. Moreover, I only like single player campaigns so it would be very boring for me to be be stuck with just one title. Project Cars, Forza, GT7, AC, F1 etc, I play them all....just not day one.

sometimes ppl don't want to do a whole bunch of modding to properly enjoy a game tho. forza is better "out the box" - it's ready to play, no mod downloading needed

@@vandett8736 thats the thing, assetto corsa is also ready to play without any mods, the mods are just like cherry on top, whenever you feel like the game lacks of something, its possible to make it happen,

Yep, all the mods for Assetto Corsa aren’t for ACC. You should get Assetto Corsa if you want to mod the game and if you want to drive any road car or race car, you should get Assetto Corsa Competizione if you only want to drive GT3 cars or GT4 cars to the highest degree of simulation.

@@user-sk8we2tg2t Cool. Thanks for making it so clear for me.

Yep just like @user-sk8we2tg2t said ACC is hyper specificly a GT game with only that class of cars while the original Assetto Corsa has hypercars, old road cars, drift, mountain side course and more importantly mods meaning if your favorite car isn't in the game and the dlcs thete is a very good chance that it's a free mod you can just download and drag n' drop into content manager (modded ac's launcher) i say AC is crazy value and amazing feeling simulation while ACC is serious esport sim with just GT cars on laser scanned real circuits.

Yes other people compared it too. I think it was either inspired by DC or that's the realistic way of doing it or maybe both but it looks amazing.

No. It's the original Assetto Corsa with mods NOT Competizone!

Ok so when I do these videos I always try to max everything out on my 12600k and 3070. But this video was recorded and uploaded on launch day, almost 2 weeks ago and if you watch Digital Foundry's video on the PC port of FM you'll know that it was a stuttering mess. So I tried tweaking the settings and benchmarking for around 30 minutes and then settled for the preset that set most things to high or auto with rt off. I think if you reset graphics settings you get this on a higher end gpu. This was the only one that didn't stutter like crazy and freeze up whenever you passed a track segment divider in practice and I was able to capture some footage with at least the same graphical fidelity as a Series X in performance mode. My intention is never to misrepresent a game there is no conspiracy it was just simply super unoptimized at launch and I wanted a mostly consistent 60fps to capture that is not like stuff manually set to low but at least a high preset. As for the quality I think it sets certain stuff to low for some reason if you leave it on auto. In the first scene you can see the shadows under the corvette shimmer like crazy that is a known bug that may be patched now along with performance but sure as hell wasn't when the game launched.

Even running at 100fps the game looks like it’s at 30fps! Hate the game on pc with frame rate drops and stutters! The mirrors also like absolute shite

​@@AccondaExtend your FOV, buddy. Every racing game has it for a reason

Fair assessment!

Well other than that, it’s pretty darn good

Very well said. I have this same complaint with many games' handling models where they think "difficult=realistic".

no they didnt

@@pedka But FM8 physics is way worse than FH5... They said that it's realistic... But it's more like boat simulator with NFS Shift slide feel- Only realistic thing there are curbs

yes there is the slide but its definitely more realistic than fm5

U should try advanced gamepad assist by adam10603, it is just the best

Glad to see that you switched to a wheel. It’s hard for me to respect the “sim racers” on these games using follow camera and controller. If people are gonna get serious about these driving games, then they should get in the car and immerse themselves into the driving. It gives life to the game.

@@jwells2401 Yeah, problem is I'm 3 seconds slower with the wheel in Forza Motorsport, compared to the controller. I've got to get used to the thing.

Yes both games. Wheel in cockpit view spins very fast in AC when I don't use the gamepad scripts but I prefer playing this way so I don't have input latency while turning. Downside is it looks funny.

@@bordibalint try this with a wheel, it's another level. AC with controller is awful, looks like every car understeers a lot! Forza is very optimized for controllers. But with a FFB steering wheel, your world is gonna change.

I do have a T150 if you wanna see me use it watch this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tyW_NkRtp2c.htmlsi=gsOIKZu7i6nLo8Ln But I play most racing games on gamepad that's where my muscle memory is even tho I do drive IRL so my wheel is usually packed away unless I decide to set it up but you're right AC does feel 10 times better on a wheel it's just I like it even on a controller.

Sad that ffb still sucks and the physics are way to oversteers else it would’ve been a great game for me

you are right on everything except the subscriptions part theres a lot of good mod content that is free and all the neccessary functionality of cotnent manager is in the free version so there is no real reason to ever pay for anything considering kunos puts the game and all of its DLC on sale for 12 bucks on a regular basis, its not a bad price to pay.

You don’t need content manger for subscription but yeah it’s a lot of work to get things right for your liking

AC is so lame and boring, this game basically survive because of mods and the developer are extremely arrogant including the fanboy too. I prefer much Forza and the new 8 tires contact patch makes the tyres simulation more realistic than AC.

Enjoy continuing to play your fisher price game. Be sure to not skip nap time after a few laps@@runninginthe90s75

@@runninginthe90s75 You can literally do anything, in any vehicle at any location, online or offline. If AC is lame and boring to you then that is entirely the fault of your own lack of imagination, AC virtually has no boundaries. FM8 is already getting too limited and grindy for me. EG: Enter the German or JDM competition and you're limited to about 3 cars to choose from. Always have to do 3 practice laps even if maxed stats. Can't add upgrades to a car unless driven for 2-3 hours solid. Now that's lame and boring.

i agree

You literally think it's visibly and audibly worse than previous games?! LOL

Yes absolutely but I don't have a ps5 or gt7, people already did it and I'm not really a comparison channel actually I just do these when I feel like I mostly do variety gaming stuff with commentary.

Nope, all gameplay capture none of it is replay. Honestly it really shouldn't be below 60 but god knows didn't measure frame by frame in the recording. Sadly despite my best efforts it was incredibly choppy and stuttery on every setting on launch day when I made this video so it's possible it's 30 here and there but it can also just be very bad frame timing.

Would make more sense on paper I agree but ACC is only GT cars and much much less popular. Less people play it, less people are interested in content about it etc. Me for example I have like 6hrs in ACC but 100+ in AC.

It's the upscaler + the game still being buggy as hell on PC. Shadows under the Corvette were glitching out.

Visual bug, the game looks washed up due to bug but actually it looks much better than what you've seen on video

Yes. I play most racing games on controller. For this video I used my Xbox Series gamepad for forza and PS5 Dualsense for AC.

@@bordibalint I was just wondering cause your steering looked kinda wanky in AC

I lost grip here and there. I think it's the switching between the two games back and forth that threw me off a bit driving the same laps after the much heavier feeling forza you don't expect to slide so easily.

Also if you mean the steering wheel spinning like crazy that's just how i have it set up right now. Sadly if I enable a smoother turning it messes with the handling too not just the visuals and I'd have latency/delay while turning so that's why the steering wheel looks twitchy at times it's so its the most responsive.

@@bordibalint I think you can turn down the sensitivity which makes it turn slower and smoother

I think they might push RTGI/PTGI once PC tech is able to deal with it

You probably just need to adjust your settings or play it more to get used to it. Car tuning is also very important

@racdude01 I did research about it The problem with the camera is that it doesn't make the car look accelerated nor corner

I like how the driving is in FM2023 compared to Forza Motorsport 5 through 7, but I'd rather go back and play FM7 despite not liking it. The new game should have been pushed back, it was NOT ready to be released.

@CapnFlappyJaw42 Yes, that's true The best thing in the game is the cars models

Yes both games are on PC and AC with the usual mods CM, CSP and Pure. AC on consoles doesn't hold up super well I agree.

First of all if you meerly read the description before commenting you would learn that my pc specs are in there. Second the game ran like shit especially on launch day when this video was recorded and uploaded and no matter what I tried it kept dropping fps and having freezes so I had to reset it to the default (for my gpu) high/auto just to make it not stutter like crazy. Watch Digital Foundry's video on the pc performace if you don't believe me.

Just saying, low aliasing on fences and signs and some of the footage looks 30fps.. My Forza doesn't look like that.. 😅

Bruh in your dream " Built From The Ground Up " 🤣🤣💀

Same, I uninstalled the PC port after making this vid, tried playing a bit on my Series S and got disappointed with the career and unistalled it from xbox too.

career mode sucks

project cars 2 career makes the most sense compared to this

oh look, a console guy trying to defend their game

ProStreet and Race Driver GRID still solos all career modes in legal racing games

I would not call this a career mode, you just do 5 race per car and that's it. there is no sense of progression.

Literally... That hurt to me heard a GTE car with a awful sound more worse than GT7 (literally Polyphony need to update their sound engine software)

So what?

Oh my bad, Forza Motorsport 23: -70$ base game -90$ deluxe ed -100$ premium ed Or 10$/mo w game pass Assetto Corsa: -20$ base game -80$ game + every dlc (11) -100$ game, dlc, csp, pure, some paid mods Or 10$ for game +15$ for dlc when it's on sale

However, this is not ACC, it is the original Assetto Corsa

@@bordibalint Ups, AC it's the Best Game with Mods 👍

Go to settings and turn off the camera movement 👌

This is not ACC it's og AC with CSP and Pure but Kunos Cars and Tracs

Potentially if they also don't read the description like you. Also even though ACC is more recent it is one, played by waaayy less people therefore less people would be interested in that video, two AC is popular BECAUSE of the mods noone plays vanilla ac because it's a 10 year old game with a barebones campaign and a dated tyre model so I think AC is one of those games where it's understood that it's mods also they are free and listed in the description. And lastly ACC only has GT cars so most people just skip it based on the fact that there are no street or hypercars in the game.

Brother you can't be more wrong wtf... Assetto corsa physics are like 800 times better than forza. I think he is playing with controller thats why the car moves weird AC is made to be played with a nice wheel.