Why Forza Horizon 5 feels boring 

Literally I remember when the game first came out I’m pretty sure on like the third week they gave the jesko for free to all players 😂the most powerful car in game at that time and they just gave it to everyone as a sorry for the game being buggy on launch 😂😂

yeah, i remember thinking which one to pick and then i got all of them anyways. Completely agree with this video, fh4 was fun, the progression was much harder. also in fh5 premuim you get to pick ay autoshow car for free. i got the amg one cover car within an hour!

the fact that he didn' tmention this makes me wonder if he played F5 at all!

I got the Bugatti 2 mins playing 😳

as far as im aware, it doesnt matter what car you pick in the game at all, you can tune them all to be as fast as one another

I think the overall road design being unchallenging is a very strong point. I played FH5 for a bit then jumped to another game (don't remember what game, doesn't particularly matter either) which had the Brands Hatch circuit. The circuit kept me entertained for some time while I was getting the grasp of the circuit with many tricky corners. I can pretty solidly say that a 2.5 mile loop somewhere in the UK felt more fun and challenging to navigate than basically any road in Horizon 5's Mexico. I feel like Horizon suffers from the sheer amount of content that is expected of it, the map has to be bigger than the previous one, there have to be more cars, more achievements, more, more, more. It leaves the game feeling extemely bloated, but completely empty at the same time.

I think it might be time to get a job

Wow well put. I played it for a week and thought it rewarded me so much for doing nothing

if you’re not driving manual w clutch then the game will be very boring

And the roads in The Crew Motorfest look even more boring :'(

No, it’s actually the Covid lockdown era

no gas stations, no stores, no life, animals etc. Im kinda new to forza but this is ridiculous

@@_Sylens lol

This is a racing game this is not supposed to be an open world like gta

@@titcab8159 I bet u never have played more than 2 racing games in ur entire life and I bet most of them are modern as if you would play games before 2020 u wouldn't say this

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You're actually right, I never thought about it. I wondered why I didn't want to do races or other events, they were too confusing and often times, I didn't need to do them at all.

Yeah, and every time you step out of the game for like 2 months, you come back and see 3 million more activities on the map, 5 sponsored tie-in storylines, 10 product-placement cars that are absolutely cheated in your inbox, a handfull of extensions and oh, still nothing engaging to do.

now that you've said it, you are right. just feels absolutely overwhelming with no clue on where to start. just proceeded to log out after seeing all the mess in my map and never touched it ever since then.

Yea A linear story works better in racing games in the beginning. Like GTA V or RDR2 have huge maps but if you follow the story, it opens them up a little at a time and you won't see some of it until you are hours in. Those games doo good about having storylines in every single place, they just do not have stuff to fill space, besides the ocean.

For me it was the veyron i had to complete the game to get it 😂

No

Yees

@@osamasonfan for me it was the pagani lol

the races i did just for that pagani

They had npcs when the game launched and they where awful. They would just randomly spawn in front of you 😂

Exactly

I remember in forza horizon 4 when i would constantly crash into traffic at 260mph every single time i speed on the highway or any kind of fucking road and i started with a shitty car in forza 4 lmao

havent tried in fh5 but i know in fh4 the level of traffic on the roads was based on whether you were online or offline. online with other humans in the world traffic was at a minimum but if you go offline and play with drivatars there is a lot more traffic.

forza horizon 3 had a car meet was very cool.

yea it's so cringe ..

I thought I was the only one lol

real.

I dont really understand this complain. It's not like the game tries to match your bugatti with a vw beetle or something. At the end, owning a top tier car means nothing if idk how to drive it. I personally hate grinding. Simply let me try different cars and find the one that works best with my playstyle

@@Centrioless it's not like that. Starting with slower, older, weaker cars and working your way up to get a better car by using the worst car and I don't mean grinding literally, we want variety of challenges and races to do to earn the better cars rather than repeating the same race to buy it. It's part of our nature to enjoy progression and earning things instead of having it all unlocked. Sure we should be given choice to pick different car in the same tier, so we can choose based on our style as you want. But starting the game with a Ferrari or McLaren... will lose it's thrill pretty quick

@@Edwardo160 if this is abt forza motorsport, i would agree with you. But in a game where i wanna test how far i can fly or how to hit that pinata on the electric pole or how to fo wheelie for 2mins straight, why th would i want some needless progression? If you want a career based game, go play track-based racing games. Dont ruin the excitement of exploring open world game with some pointless progression

@@Centrioless I play NFS and enjoy this progression. We agree about Forza and open world games, no need for progression there

that's why Mexico felt really flat in Horizon 5.

also doesn't help that 75% of the map is just empty fields. The game feels empty, it lacks a big modern city and it lacks the feel of speed

@@unfunnyperson2101 I have to agree with you for the city. I wish they would use Japan for one of the Horizon and have a big city taking up half or more of the map..the other half could be twisty mountain roads. I'd be happy with that.

Who knew that putting all of your eggs in one battle royale fad-basket would turn out to be a bad idea?

Now EVERYTHING makes sense. What a piece of garbage. Will always be, I mean, a game that's going to be forgotten.

GTA 5 feels dead though, GTA 4 actually feels alive

@@redbullsauberpetronas both are equal, gta 5 has a density setting you can increase or decrease

@@hyperix-deadso does gta 4 🤷‍♂️

@@lil_legalo5190 That was the point "both are equal"

the lack of npc cars is because the game i still on the og xbox one so if they had anymore npc cars driving around the game would be unplayable on the og xbox

Or at least allow you to walk around in your houses. They feel like a useless purchase otherwise

@@danielt.9586 bruv walk around in your actual house lmfao

Well there are some people like me who enjoy riding expensive machines around the world(map), and that why I love "meaningless" forza

​@@Unknown-rk9qmsame here, just like real life , some people just like to drive their cars around to clear their head or just for relaxation

Lol “drive till you get bored” is a perfect summary, I literally played FH5 for an hour before thinking “fuck this is boring”. No consequences for anything, just hold down the accelerator and smash through everything in your path, yawn 🥱

@@BOKtober yeah! even more when reducing damage simulation does not affect your Credit bonus, neither rewind option. So boring

​@BOKtober exactly! The multiplayer is so boring too everytime I get an itch to race I re-download it race like 3 races and Uninstall it again. It's just so empty and boring

This. even if it is "locked" to some kind of rule, you had to use more (other and different) cars to complete a mission because of that.. when the mission is over you could continue roaming the map or pick up another mission. and this formula is so simple, maybe too simple that it got removed from FH5 in some way then covered with different content to baby you(the player).

Yeah literally, I used a maxed out F40 for no joke 90% of races in 5, because it was just too easy

Not in fh4, only in fh5.

this is false fh5 is extremely strict like S1 900 british cars. have you even ever played the game?

@@Ripster11 it’s really not that strict for the majority of races, you can just use any class

i feel like it would have worked way better if they had rotated the challenges along with the weather. winter just made half the game unbeatable for a week, so the playercount always dipped. so instead of fixing it for the next game, they toned the seasons down so much you can barely tell them apart.

well most people complained about it, that is why they really nerfed the seasons

@@SpiderMax95really? i never had this feeling if I remember correctly. But another problem is, there is no such significant weather change in mexico than in scotland

@@naurens6586thats pitty, people always have to complain and the result is this, then it is too much hard, now it is too much easy. i would say hard is much better

they couldve made it so you could choose which season you would like in singleplayer, would be an interesting and good idea in my opinion@@tadeaspekar9043

I think fh2 still had good progression with them forcing you to up the dificulty after a point in the game (i don't remember it quite well, it could be me just tripping and this never existed in fh2)

I remember fh2 being the same, haven’t played 3 but 4’s progression is very lacking and 5 doesn’t even have one.

What's wrong with that? Not everybody is unemployed or has enough time to sit their ass 6 hours per day just to gring some advance in an endless videogame.

@@Toxic2T it's like saying you want that films start themselves with text on the screen explaining the world building because "it saves time" You should try to consume the media you have time to, hell, i gave up watching d&d campaigns because i didnt have 4 hours every day, if you think FH1 is too big for you (even though you don't need to sit 6 hours every day to beat the game in a short amount of time) you could aways choose smaller games, within 2 hours i completed a third of NFS hot pursuit 2 And also if the game marketed themselves as a sandbox there would be no problem, no one critiques Asetto Corsa (and ACC) or bng drive for their lack of interesting campaings, FH markets themselves as campaign focus games, as it was a positive point in FH1 and FH2

This is not a film, this is a videogame. You're supposed to play for fun, have a good time, relax or have intense emotions. Not grind on it, grind on a real job, it's more rewarding. I didn't bought Forza Horizon for it's campaign, I couldn't care less about it. I just open it up, build a badass muscle car, pop some wheelies with it, race randoms then leave satisfied with the experience. Simple, that makes it a great game, theres no need to be pretentious.@@where_is_sauce

Yea, i agree. It’s more of a personal preference issue, seems like most of these people are searching for a NFS/TDU2 experience where they start in a slow cheap car and grind to the top for fast super cars. Which is fun for sure, but after a while you’ll want to drive around and just chill in a cool car but can’t even do that yet… lol It’s a mix of emotions that confuse people about this genre of games. Most want it more grindy but don’t want it to feel tedious, which is contradictory tbh. I think FH5 is a dope game it just needs more stuff to actually see. The map is pretty empty ngl.

@@grxy5924 another problem of FH in terms of giving a slow car at the start - FH is terrible at "it is funnier to drive slow car fast, then fast car - slowly". FH5 is better for sure, but in FH4 driving B and C class was unbearable, i think only rally cars were fun to drive in lower classes, anything else - torture. Especially buggies. I have no problem at all racing slow cars - NFS, Assetto Corsa, etc. are fun in slow cars too. But Forza Horizon...

In a driving game.. you pretty much want to DRIVE.. Not to "do stuff". Lol. I mean, Races are quite superfkin fun.. And so are street races.. oh my god. FH5 = good!@@grxy5924

before I say my stuff (No offense at all here) AT all. all games are trying to cater to your kind of which 5% of the population.. and it kills games, your kind (no offense) ruins gaming and it's not you guys it's the devs trying to make a game where everyone is good, for my sake a squirrel could probably drive in forza horizon. Devs are trying to create a game for a small population of people.

@@Blackwing2345635 Yes, that's because the game is designed to be like that. The map is designed in such a way that you need to go fast to feel the fun. Just the sheer size and long, empty roads showing you sceneries. If you went slow, it'll feel tedious and boring.

And I spent 400+ hours in FH4 last year. And I have 100+ hours in FH5 this year. Who would have known people like different things...

@@BARDRUNNER People do like different things, but the progression issue is still not a person to person thing. The reason soo many people play FH5 is because of how easy and hand giving it is. If you don't believe me than that's fine, people will find out eventually how dog shit FH5's progression is.

​@@BARDRUNNERthem not enjoying it doesn't invalidate your experience, it's OK.

Thanks dad.

@@BARDRUNNER keep winning son

this is so true tbh, its my first forza and played it for 20 hours, those 20 hours where amazing and really had 'WoW" effects here and there but thats it, never touched it again after those 20 hours. i hade multiple houses, hundrets of cars and really good ones fully tuned. just lost interest

Uh, tons of people are still playing the game. It's one of the most popular racing games ever made.

​@@aolson1111Popularity doesn't directly correlate to quality.

@@aolson1111 nobody is saying that the game doesnt have a big player-base, look at fortnite, its the most popular game right now, but people dont say that its a great game.

if you think about it, it says a lot about our current society not just the gaming industry, although i fully agree on the fact that in general, whatever game comes out is mediocre.

Missing FH2 same as you. "This is the Summer of our lives“ . FH2 & FH3 are great racing games with perfect nostalgia and summer vibes. FH4 & FH5 are just massive "playlists”

I loved the little road trips that led to the next chapter / the next town in Horizon 2. It's a shame they gave that up.

Horizon 2 was pretty lazy, it’s just that the new games are worse. After you win the championship in 2 I don’t think there is a single change after that.

@@onoYuki-vw1muThat’s because the guy that used to curate the music, was kicked out after FH2.

i miss fh2 too... i have it but its broken 💀

the weirdest thing is that FH5 has way better car sounds but is not as fun I agree

If horizon 3 had up to date cars and customisation I’d literally still play that daily😂 I used to drift up the drag strip in h3 for hours on end and never get bored, or go for a cruise In the city, horizon 5 just feels too bland

Dont forget the Mountain Blizzard DLC that i think was awesome

True, best and last great dlc to a fh game. Fortune island or whatever it was called in fh4 and now that rally fh5 dlc feel just like easy cashgrabs with content that shoul've already been in the main game@@ECLIPSE97GST1

Ranked online mode was the only thing keeping me going on fh4 had a blast with that game mode actually had to work for it

fh1 too, the joy of getting the best car after the race was just amazing

It’s my favorite. I worked so hard for my veneno

Agreed. FH4 had a good open world and lacked a progression, FH5 tried to have progression but felt so boring

yea fh4 has so much better vibes and nostalgia than 5

​@@original_YASS.52nostalgia for may be 3 or 5 year old game ? 😂

@@xninja2369 It's still on steam lmao, might as well play it than nostalgia

Yeah but fh4 car sounds awful, 5 sounds better but the map is absolutely garbage and they do nothing to fix it

@@OmniscientDreamer i mean you technically say "Nostalgia" for like decades old thing , may be you can sya about FH or FH2 but Definitely not 4 , And yeah one more thing (I hATE steam )

You’re absolutely right. The tours, the meeting spots, the map, the music and the whole vibe was definitely the peak of horizon. You just need to watch the first 10 min of the game to get hooked

I think it was fun to be apart of the festival in 3 while still competing, it gave players a taste of what that side was like, but then 4 and 5 killed the idea and went overboard. I don't mind the idea of previous entry characters returning in future entries but it feels like they try WAY too hard to suck up to you because "YoU'Re tHe ChaMpIoN iN *insert country*". There are ways to do this and turn 10 still haven't realized how.

have you ever tried playing the crew 2? there are plenty of amazing and challenging cross map races! there is also a new game of the crew that looks even better! i would definitely recommend trying it out!😁

@@rishy3777the crew is the best

​​@@rishy3777the crew 2 sucks motorfest and 1 are good tho

Licencing issues. The whole game is about commercial tie-ins now. So if you have a brand that doesn't want a competitor put in the spotlight... Also they are more invested in bringing the new brands that need advertising, like Xpeng, Lynk&Co, MG,...

Time for Motorfest.

AAA games can't be that innovative, because they have to appeal to a large number of people. There are lots of creative and innovative games on Steam for instance, but they are not as popular, mainly because of their novelty.

​​@@viatrufka With all due respect, I do not think the idea of some games not being as popular due to their novelty is overly right, games like Undertale, Deltarune and FNAF trancended the indie space despite being viewed as novelties and they are still popular and famous to this day, regardless of its gameplay or so called novelty. As a result, Smash has Sans DLC for Miis, DDR and Stepmaniax have Undertale songs and I'm pretty sure there are some devs in the AAA space taking lessons from indies, and that brings us back to our original point: when will AAA games start to take inflence from indies and start daring themselves on original concepts again? Edit: I forgot FNAF has a movie now. Puts it into perspective, really

I went to FH5 after something like 1k hours in FH4 (bought the latter when FH5 was already available because cheap) on PC. Yes, map is soulless, no seasons (yeah, technically they are here and there are changes, but FH4 was perfect in that regard), even more broken progression, online is even more garbage (but it is much better in technicalities like loading times are not so insane, teleporting is less, stuff like that), but I stayed at FH5 because of better physics, visuals in general, great serpentine on the volcano with awesome view, separate rally map is great, settings for controller on PC (and triggers' vibro in the Steam version), better cameras, a bit better tunning IMHO. New cars, of course. Also stories are better in FH5 in general.

What I liked too was that you could win with YOUR personal car you tuned yourself and reflected your style. Now if you don't go for the meta in MP your might as well not start the race.

man your making me feel old even though I was 8 years old when I played it.

The good old days

Fujimi kaido and rally di positano best tracks ever

You are me wtf. Same same same! I miss Blur

Still a game. Games should be fun.

Maybe not for you

valid point but then i have this question for you sir: would you say in yo ur humble and honest opinion, that, FH5 is a car game and focusses on people that like cars? or would you say it's a game that focusses to "be something" for everyone? and if you can't answer this question properly don't worry. there is always next FH.

its to have a lot of players

Yeah the crew is actually a way better game

The Crew is an amazing game. I haven't even played the campaign but have spent hrs just virtually roadtripping to points on the map. The way they have packed in so many iconic spots from the US into a totally reasonably sized map you can explore is so good.

@@Agret exactly that’s what makes it enjoyable. In my opinion the crew has the best Map in any car game ever!

@@ALM_Garage the variety in the landscape is what makes the map so good, I agree that it is probably the best open world driving game map.

​@@Nationof300 I definitely preferred the crew 2 over fh5. But I will say that forza has a better handling model while being able to keep the freeroam aspect, while games like the crew and nfs are too arcadey to feel like a game intended to drive cars

duuuuude, that's a core memory and a half. I've been looking for TDU2 on PC but could never find it anywhere (I had played on PS3 originally). Do you know anywhere I could pick the game up, or any games that play/feel similar to it?

@@ynyrjohnson3861i don’t know for sure but i’m sure you can download an emulator on your pc for it

@@ynyrjohnson3861 It was easier for me to get tdu1 than tdu2, still can't find a proper place to get tdu2 its removed from steam, and atari no longer offers any support to the game, its basically ded unless u try to pirate it tdu1 however i got some mediafire links from a friend and that's how i played it

​@@ynyrjohnson3861the only way is to download the pirate version, no need to feel bad cause its not available any more, i just downloaded it yesterday and man it still feels so good

@@ynyrjohnson3861 pick up an emulator or wait for solar crown to be released

I did exactly the same thing!

Have a better progression my ass. Y’all complain when a new FH release that’s it. I remember everyone bullshiting about FH4 while there was nothing wrong with the game so shat ap.

well its true fh5 all you do is drive straight and thats it, after like 20 hrs of gameplau out of it i went back to fh4

Have you played beam ng drive?

@@kilovwdude6457 he said he plays on Xbox

@@dusannestorovic5699 well it's possible he has a laptop with a graphics card you can play beam at low 1080p with 2gigs of Vram and 8gigs of ram

I did the exact same thing, bought a wheel used it like 3 times got bored and ended up selling it lol

Strongly recommend Asseto Corsa or BeamNG, you will get the most out of your wheel in those games! Your best bet would be a PC however.

The problem is that they would then lose a large proportion of their players. The people who got to know the series through FH4 and 5 (most likely through the Game Pass) don't want progression. They want to get everything gifted to them as quickly as possible so they can show off to their friends.

FH3 is literally what started the trends that killed forza in the first place, its garbage.

Horizon three needs a remaster. Updated car List and customisation and up to date graphics and I’d burn my copies of horizon 4 and 5 just to own that game lol😂h3 was the best imo, so many great memories

@@Jr_J2929100% horizon 3 was the best, and the last good one unfortunately

Just bought fh3 on ebay after watching this, that was one of my favorite games during that time but I lost my copy of it

FH4 was the first Forma game I ever played, and I really enjoyed it, my only complaints are the reuse of engine sounds and the fact that AI traffic can't be disable in single player

Forza*

Is it better than fh5?

Yes

@@DaGhibellineNo, it's identical to FH5 but that's what a lot of people started with so they feel it's better still

@@goo_dragon agree

@@goo_dragon FH4 does things so much better than FH5, did you not watch the video? Its not about it being nostalgic, it literally IS better

The buying experience in Test Drive Unlimited was really something. You had to cruise from your house to your specific brand dealership, choose your car in the showroom, pick a color, an interior,...really felt like a passionnate guy buying a car that will be YOUR personal car, a reflection of your style. I actually went to the dealership just to look at the cars I dreamed in-game, felt like when you're a kid and go to see the cars.

i got bored of FH5 in less than a day... the map is the worst thing about this game... there are other shity stuff like you said about them giving cars like candy but to me an open world has to have an interesting map also i WISH that a game will have the ball to NOT implement fast travel. In NFSU2 you didn't have fast travel you wanted to buy something you had to go to a specific dealer and unlock things as you go... i'm playing motorfest now and even if i imported my collection i still have to grind to get the cars that i want and the money to customize them the way i want, motorfest is nowhere near to be the perfect game especially thanks to the physic which is still millions years ahead of tc2 but at least i'm having a blast and i WANT to play the game contrary to FH where i played out of habit

i agree. that extra map you could travel to to do all sort of "fun" things like that drift mountain is mental joy. i wish the dev team that have FH5 in their hands right now, would come up with something similar, just a 'side' story in a completely different map(smaller map) but keep it exciting.

The only thing I didn't like was the reuse of engine sound for a lot of cars

Yeah they R E A L L Y sucked! Even fh3 was better!@@pontiacgto1188

As much I love the Forza franchise, I am sick of the new games that is so empty with a lack of purpose/motivation to do anything in those games after 20 hours of playing. The reason is that because the team behind it want's to appeal to the casuals more than enthusiasts, hence why the new games feels so easy and having little to no punishment from a mistake. I strongly agree that Forza Motorsport 4 had the perfect difficulty option of choosing any kind of difficulty and having a risk to go along with it. Turn off every handling assists settings, having a difficult AI, no rewinds and all damage on? The most risky but the most rewarding for cash and exp. Every assist on, easy AI, Rewinds on and damage off? Most safe but the most slowest for progressing of the game. But in Forza Horizon 5? All damage is nearly inconsequential due to the lack of funs you need to repair the car after a race, there is a ton of ways to even make money by not racing with wheelspins/Kudos system and just the amount of cars that the game will give to you without having to do anything (And more faster by this too), AI on higher difficulty can grip corners faster than you without even slowing down even with identical cars on the field. The most boring way to make a racing game. There is no point to get "better" and improving to be better at the game because the game rewards you, again, by doing the bare minimal effort for everything. Looks nice, controls great and have no substance in anything else. Sadly I think forza will die by this new change of course because how massive it have gotten by the mainstream public and cater to them. Not the dedicated people who will play the game years on end and slowly knowing how the game works with each playthrough. And also, the sense of speed is fucking garbage in FH5, Going over 400km/h should be scary like in the previous forza games when the camera is shaking violently but in the new games it's hardly anything. It is fucking BORING!

At least they arent like ea that releases shitty sport games every year and gameplay is always broken and the game barely changes

Not only that. GTA's world is sprawling with little details and noise. It feels lived in. Forza is just a big playground with some props here and there.

horizon 3 was elite

Horizon 3 was my introduction to the Xbox One and I spent hundreds of hours on it.

Horizon 3 was the peak of the series, sucks that it's delisted

I've bought both games recently and i honestly don't really see the difference between the two.

theyre both so boring to me this video sums it up well@@leefswgoh7558

This will let forza horizon become more like need for speed.

Lol even nfs is crap 😂 all these racing games are crap tbh if you wanna have fun choose tekken 8 or stealth games

​@@mrlazy2343what kinda fucking Cocaine are you on my guy?

That is practically Forza Horizon 3

@@tere6055 and thats why horizon 3 is a fan favourite

Man, that game has one of if not the best progression system. It really tests your skill by forcing you to get out of your comfort zone. Unbound also did a pretty good job at it.

E30 M3 = Real shit car. Idiot

omg its lowe asmr

Heat had an great system and I love the engine swaps so every car you like can be useful

Heat was also super generous with the payouts. If you grind the night races and level up, your races in the day will give you $40k-$80k each, which let you actually collect and try different cars. I don’t know how many more $15k races I can grind in FH5 when I’m trying to save up for a $2 million Ferrari

it is what you make it but that said, things have improved alot of the past 3 months.

@@MiniOne82 I played it yesterday and uninstall it the same day, still boring af.

Good idea. But then the modern low attention span audience would really freak out...