Forza Motorsports Sucks In Almost Every Way 

Sub from the ground up and say what you think

One way they could make the car xp system better is just to make it manufacturer based instead of the individual cars, would still be trdious but a lot better at least

Why buy this game? I see this with a lot of AAA modern devs...they take away features from previous games,add nothing except bugs...and raise the price whats the point

Apparently, the game is supposed to evolve over the next few years. Seeing this, the weird graphics, and the ...questionnable car roster, i'm going to wait at least a few months to consider it. Thanks for your work callsign :)

FM4 had it better way to have upgrade discount based on manufacturer XP. they should have stuck with that instead of on an individual car basis.

6:46 "from the ground up" made me laugh more than it probably should 😂

Multiplayer is even a bigger joke than the rest of the game...ramming kids and even though you are not at fault, you are the one getting the penalty...how is that even possible? I cut a short corner, I get 1.50 penalty...the guy in front of me, cutting the corner altogether, gets 3 positions, no penalty...

Forza Motorsport 4 was the last good one. I haven't enjoyed a FM since then. This is the best FM since then as far as car/tyre handling/physics. The cars actually turn and grip now like back in FM4 (turn off that Stability control!). I am finally having fun again playing FM sitting on the couch and using a controller. Was 2011 since I last had that from a FM game.

I already miss Forza 7s multiplayer open track event.. drive anything and just do endless laps with people doing the same.

So I know I sound dumb but for someone who wanted a decent racer with physics better than horizon (closer to Assetto), I’m good with it. Don’t care about the car grind (yet). Idk, just me. Good vid though.

Personally I'm enjoying the game but Turn 10 doesn't do themselves any favors with the "standard" tires that come on all cars to start out with. It's what makes them so "slippery". As soon as you swap them for the next tire up it's much better.

this game feels like I am ALWAYS destroying and mashing my tires into the ground yet if I brake any earlier the AI easily passes me. I keep the ai on the highest setting for games like ac/acc/ams2 and you can't make mistakes but it is manageable. This game level 8 AI is like super soft tires vs economy tires.

been playing it for the last few days. while it does have some bugs and areas that need refinement the physics and the overall systems are fantastic. the online racing is really where it shines. really good racing to be had and finally some strategy in the form of fuel, tires, penalties, damage, etc. if you want to immediately change a car into a radically different car with drivetrain and engine swaps without understanding the car first this isn’t the game for you

As long as they shorten the car upgrade path by 40% and focus on bug fixing, I'll have faith thay they are on something like the right track.

The most honest review I've seen. What I am personally most disappointed with is the graphics. The car models look old, dull and like matte plastic without any reflections most of the time. They also look very blurry. The image is not 'sharp'. Some tracks also have some heavy aliasing.

Please tell me the acronym stand for Car Upgrades N Tuning.

Is the xp system really that bad? Since ita on gamepass and was gonna try it anyway on mostly easy enough difficulty you still get enough xp through the whole turorial cup to get to level 10 to 12 at the end of it. If its gets worse after that I understand, wonder if thats the case.

I’ll tell you what I think. Microsoft should fire the whole Turn 10 team what a cash grab waist of time.

Forza MS4 is one of my top 10 games of all time! I love that game! it was everything I needed for a racing game!

Game full of bugs and poorly optimized, I have absurd fps drops, freezes for up to 5 seconds and crashes, how Turn10 releases this crap after 6 years of development is a shame for Microsoft.

Totally fair review. I personally find myself enjoying it quite a lot, I personally didn't expect it to drive as well as it does and I think it provides really fun racing. It's not as serious as more traditional sims and that's totally okay by me. It's got some problems, but I'm not too bothered by some of the issues all things considered. I do hope Turn10 iron out some of the problems over time but for now, I think it's worth trying if you're like me want a game that still drives reasonably like a sim while also still being a video game. Not the best, but still fresh.

I could understand this XP system if the game were free to play, however, on a $70 game it is ridiculous.

Graphically this game looks kinda off. Everything is gray-ish. Everytime I see a video or play it, I feel like slapping reshade on it to put some more contrast or boost the highlights and some more colors. Everything is so midtone focused, even at sunny daylight weather

I’ve been playing this on game pass and frustrated with all the crashing, I’d be so mad if I actually paid money for this game

7 hours in and really enjoying it, thanks.

Unable to play mine won’t load mugello race number two in the starting set of races.

I’m the driver that want to feel the characteristics of the cars stock before upgrading so it works perfectly for me.

The penalty in multiplayer it is a joke and painful. The other driver spun and hit me in reverse. I took a 5 second penalty for this. Then as I was turning to the right, the other driver left the track and came back to the left and hit me (I was on the inside). Another 5 seconds. It’s not fun play this way. It’s playing to make you angry.

The devs said this game wasnt about car collecting but rather creating a bond with your car. Granted i hate how every level up is the same on every car and that will get old quick but i do like that you gradually upgrade it. Thats kinda how i played FH5 sometimes.

Instead of asking a simple question like "What is your experience level, or did you play Forza before" and skip if yes... they force the user into a situation where the wheels and pedals are not even setup... plain stupidity from Turn10.

Customization and xp is nothing compared to the performance issues, infinite loading screens, and data not saving. Put 2 hours worth of racing in, it didnt save progress, got stuck on a loading screen, did it all again and it was still stuck.

"From the ground up!" :-D Great choice of B-Roll for that 🙂

Somehow T10 managed to create a campaign with worse grinding than GT7......outside of those 20 or so legendary cars above 5 million credits, rest of the 450+ cars in GT7 are easily affordable....In FM, you have to get to level 50 to unlock all tuning and customization for each car, which is just painfully repeatative and boring Also, no variety in campaign, it's just 10-15 minutes races from start to finish....nothing like dirt races, drag races, drift events, circuit experiences, licenses, missions etc to keep the campaign fresh and deep

Really solid video. Personally the XP change hits me hard, as I like to toy with one car on one track trying to get the best time for hours on end and then move onto the next car, but now I have to grind a lot just to get the car to the state I want it to be, whereas previously I could've just bought the parts I wanted. I also can't shake the feeling that something is off with the way downforce works in the game, like it doesn't scale with the speed properly, but I can't really tell what it is so it might be just me having a hard time getting used to the driving model. Also, the graphical aspect of the game is a massive letdown unfortunately.

Started playing today and it’s very fun, decently realistic - signed a pro racer Worst problem is the penalty system

I can absolutely wait until Forza is heavily discounted on a Steam sale in the coming future. For now AC & ACC and my other racing sims will be just fine for me.

7:29 No way that helicopter just popped in out of nowhere.

Lol that cars dash 😐 …looks like 360 version? Wtf?

I don't like grind racing games. I like to be able to choose what car I want to race and then go practice, qualify, and race that car either in a selectable track or start in a racing series. This sounds like a copy of the PlayStation game Grand Turismo 7 which is another grind racing game. Didn't buy that one and won't buy this one either. Thought this was going to be a racing sim, not a grind racer which is to bad. The early advertising looked great but it looks like it went downhill from there.

Got to say, one of the fairest and most concise reviews I have watched. Personally I’m still on the fence with the completely inconsistent physics, I’ve spent a lot of time with the pad, and gave up. The wheel is the polar opposite, and gives a more detailed and controlled experience. I’m just struggling with the consistency. A certain car\track combo will give a brilliant race. Other cars and tracks become almost un-drivable. I’ve not had the time to dial the wheel in. If I am unable to tune a consistent setting, this is going to get shelved. Shame, it’s got potential.

I Bought the game, the premium version, thats over 74 USD to have all the cars "unlocked" or available. As you metioned, the tutorial is tedious and unskippable. the grind/pokemon is becasue it is designed to fit the xbox enviroment of a suscription service... The UI is awful, finding a desired Brand of car takes lots of clicks, you have to buy and rent a car in game, even if you paid already in a DLC... the FFB is awful, even after getting "tunned". The game is ok for game pads, and fits well a console, but i dont find it particualry suitable for PC.

From a wheel user (FFB) perspective…. It’s embarrassing for Forza Motorsport that “The Crew Motorfest” has better force feedback. Motorfest is an arcade game… Hoping FM gets better with updates. The real sad part here is that this is one more racing game lost from the sim community (a la PCars 3).

Meanwhile, it runs like a dream on my PC. Looks great. Feels great with my Direct Drive wheel, and I'm having a blast playing it. And, apparently so are many others according to forums I frequent. So to call the game a "A Disaster In Almost Every Way" while tons of us are playing non-stop and loving it, seems to be a bit of sensationalistic headline, and bit "click baity", don't you think?

I'll keep my review of Forza Motorsport 8 short. Review time: it's just shit.

This is why i hate Game As A Service

"This is a disaster!" - Niki Lauda in Rush

Was I missing something, or is there no way to apply your performance upgrades between the practice session and the race with the levels you get in that practice? DO you really have to leave the event and come back in? Nothing else makes sence, so I am not blaming myself on this one, but am open to being wrong.

I still like the CarPG idea but unlike Pokémon you can't just take your Nissan to the elite four and get it carried to serviceable functionality after having played through the game's progression normal.

The way you start off slow online then build the car over time and move up the field is fun. Some people enjoy playing a game and not upgrading everything right away.

Using the fm4 sound track in this review made me sad. I had alotta hope for this title.

1:22 when the hell did this become a “car collecting game”?!?! Always known Forza as a racing game

Based truth teller

I unnisntalled it. Game crash and FPS drops in corners. This is bad optimazation. I play FH5 at more than 130 fps 2k with a 7900XT.

I actually think the car credit system is the best part of this game. It takes a lot of time and money to upgrade cars in real life, the least you can do is drive the car for an hour or two before you can max it out. The problem is that the career mode is boring af, they put almost 0 effort into it. The game itself is beautiful, probably the best looking game on Xbox. The sounds are trash, cars sounds like they took them straight out of the original Forza Motorsport over a decade ago, I use a quality name brand surround sound system.

It's so disappointing that the career mode doesn't have any events for the actual racing cars, why give us so many cool race cars and no events to do with them. I personally like the car levelling system it encourages me to use more cars to upgrade them so I don't mind it

I hate the way the cars feel in this game.

they deleted my review off the store... Ive been playing the franchise since the original Xbox and was truthful in my review saying the Multiplayer is good, but the Singleplayer is bad then going into more detail in my review since i dont know how to make a video or write a magazine lol

2zz Aygo? Now you're speaking my language 🥰 Shout out FM3/4. Still the King & Queen of the franchise.

Been loving it so far, handling is amazing, that being said there is a lot that needs to be done to make it amazing

Could have been more specific with the car handling. i.e proper AMG's (the older ones) are drift cars from stock irl... I also wouldn't be surprised if even adjusting tyre pressure on stock cars in-game make a huge difference. We've had tyre pressure bugs in the past.. and currently I think a "Forza-Aero" bug has been found already lol

wow, the IRL tracks look shockingly different to all the sims I play. Either every sim has it wrong or Forza does racing isn't about rpg xp. It's about... racing. If they aren't trying to make it as accurate and good feeling as possible, then what is even going on

This Forza is built for player engagement. Basically, to keep players subscribed to game pass. Unfortunately, most gamers are fine with being being farmed of their time and money. Without even playing fun sensible. Games are no longer being made to be fun. It's just there to kill time.

I've been playing Forza and GT for years. I think this is a very fair assessment of the game. The understeer is horrendous. Every car handles like it's FWD. I get the car leveling... but it should either double the rate at which you level your car XP, or if you unlock all 50 levels for one Nissan or Ford, it's unlocked for all them. It would take an eternity to get level 50 on more than just a handful of cars. The graphics are a letdown. This needed more time in the oven overall.

quick comment on the tire deg flow...... Man, whenever the tires hit the red, they. are. gone. Yesterday i did my first races and in the first training went through the first corner in a track in orange with somewhat noticably less grip. After the turn it went red and every ounce of grip was gone. first braking zone in went straight with no hint of steering anywhere in this universe. In orange I almost drove the same times as in new tires. In the red, I couldn't even normally finish a lap without going off.

Turn-10 must refund the gamers, and leave it as a demo. When the final game is at all section ready, then they will take the money they want.

awesome, one of the best reviews of the game yet. the rest either were either licking boots or generally being hateful by being uninformed, here you are still hateful of the game, but you come up with great arguments. definitely one of the bigger disappointments in racing games, as people were riding the hype train intensely, even though some of these issues were visible in said trailer too (by the fact that they carefully subtracted the poor aspects of the game while showering people with eye candy). as always, i hope the people buy the game conservatively, and do give meaningful criticism, as for me i do hope the game becomes great, as we are currently lacking a proper Gran-Turismo style game since gt6, especially on PC

This is what happens when you buy the premium edition before the actual release date.

3:01 more like build a connection to gamepass… making you waste your time to keep playing on their live service scheme. I had NFS shift feeling, but I thought I wrong. Seems like I wasn’t.

I feel like the XP upgrade system could have worked if the grind was cut way down, and if there were basic parts unlocked from stock. Like, have a upgraded turbo available from stock, but you have to level to car to do an engine swap.

No bashing, I played Gran Turismo 4 last weak. And it looks cleaner than Forza Motorsport 8 (2023) 😅

Good review, I agree with all the points raised, it just doesn't feel like a finished game to me. In just under two hours I got multiple crashes to desktop, wheel assignments not saved on every restart, even GTE cars were understeer simulators, poor performance, graphics all soft and fuzzy, every time you boot the game it checks for updates - this is on Steam ffs why does it need to do that? There is certainly the promise of a decent game but it feels in such a rough state currently it's not worth the £80 I paid. Refunded and I'll buy it again in 6 months when it's half the price.

So seeing all this, whats new about this game? Cause I only see less tracks, less cars, worse AI... I truly dont understand anything.

I honestly don't understand why they called them car points and then actually abbreviating it and having the game actually say the abbreviation who thought it was a good idea for a name

Wanna know what's great about it, though? Private multiplayer works well, and you can rent cars. I've put a shizzton of hours racing friends who would normally never play because they don't want to take the time to get a collection of cars.

The amount of bad decisions to upgrade each car from the producers deserve their own XP points...

Is there a way to evolve a road car into a GT3 racecar? /s

difference between Pokemon and this is, is that in Pokemon you have the EXP Share so you don't have to physically grind all your Pokemon to level them up

On a wheel, I feel like every car is very understeery and also oversteery, they are always slipping, and easy to snap on corner exit, even the race cars that are supposed to have a lot of downforce. Obviously I’ve never driven most of these cars IRL, but The basic dynamics just doesn’t feel right compared to other sims, it’s very disappointing given how they were boasting “48x sampling rate” and stuff before the launch.

Hey RC, thank you for putting in the time to get this review to us. Fantastic content and insight, these reviews really help us with our buying decisions. Hope you have a great day bro!

I might spend a lot of hours playing this online. As a Game Pass title, it's already a steal and I just need a racing game to chill. This game might be it.

Sigh. So far every review has said its the best/worst thing ever 😮‍💨 I could have saved so much time by just flipping a coin next to every creators name. I think I'm gonna just stop listening to 'creators' and just give it a play myself as this shit is getting too much like the political climate or has echos of the console wars.

*GT7 intro screen plays* Sigh... howd i see this coming. Also, interiors are impressive...ly bad. Back to FM7, Assetto and GT7 for now. Itll come around in sure, at least its on game pass lol.

i'm sorry, but the car model looks like it got pulled straight from Real Racing 3...

I have pretty much the same specs (12600K, 4070 and 32GB DDR4) and the performance is very inconsistent

forza motorsport isn't a car collecting game. It's a racing game. GT7 is a car collecting game because its career mode is based on collecting certain cars. Forza's career progression is just racing. You don't need to upgrade the car at all, the AI is scaled accordingly. You don't need to have more than a dozen cars to complete the career mode with 0 upgrading required. Which is a pretty boring career mode considering how repetitive each series is with the same number of races, and the same number of laps along most of the races. You can skip practice by going to exit and ending practice which helps take the time down on the career races. The only redeeming value of this game is online play which is ruined with terrible FFB and general steering input being so unrealistically ungrippy by having too much oversteer or understeer. The online play is also going to be ruined with the manual clutch exploit that they claimed was no longer an issue but proven otherwise.

Going up the hill at Spa I had to slow up way more than any other time I've raced it, at any other game. Silverstones slowest left turn feels too tight I can barely get the car to turn on it, it's always been tight but it's too much here.

I can only play at most 1 day per week and since I got the game I have played ALL day during that day and I now have 1 car built……. By the time that I get enough car points for a car to be able to build it I am already tired of the car and do not care for it…….. granted I only have 12-15hrs into the game but with that many hours I should definitely have more cars built if they want to keep me interested at all.

Cars are just cars without some kind of context. GT really gets the context right, which helps you appreciate each car. The car collector vibe, the fun facts and single make races really add up to more than just being some random races.

Forza isn't bad, I just think ACC ruined my LIFE

agree with you for the most part, but the online FPS cap isn't 60, it's basically forced vsync to your monitor's refresh rate (e.g. at 144Hz you will either get 144fps or 72 fps, no in between)

You should test out wet tires against actual players, the AI is always gonna be too slow until we get the equivalent to Sophy in the next installment 10 years down the line.

On PC, when I use high or ultra detail the cars look like they were ported to Roblox but when I go to medium detail it looks like Forza again. Enjoying the game so far, but I'm not a hardcore sim player and have played since FM2.

What’s a good alternative? I’m not gonna spend this much money on this game since seeing all those negative reviews I’m in pc

To be honest, I don’t have much of an issue with the car levelling. I do think it would make much more sense, being tied to car classes, rather than individual cars. I personally like grinding, and long play games. What I do have a big issue with, is the glaring lack of effort in many areas, which had plenty of development potential with plenty of time to be developed. Turn 10 have been quoted, stating that the game “has been built from the ground up”, they have alluded to a much greater level of customisation, and they talked at length about the dynamics of the game. However what they’ve actually given us: 1. A mild improvement in tyre physics. 2. Rain physics which are more basic than what we had several years ago (no puddling, no aqua planing) 3. pit stop animation (should have been present 10plus years ago, so big whoop) 4. Over 200 less cars and over 10 less tracks 5. AI with the same problems they’ve always had 6. Muddy, low res visuals 7. A noticeable step back in engine sounds from FH5 8. The worst sin of all, given that it shows blatant and deliberate ignorance of what the community wants: The same, ugly forza aero we’ve ALL been slating for a decade or more. That’s what nearly 6 years of development has brought us.

This game fells like it spent only 2 of the 6 years in actual development

I predict, shortly after release they are coming up with a payment system, where you can throw bucks on them to unlock the tuning instead of grinding for hours without a life away from the screen. So as the same as GT7, just another paying system instead of high prices and low Cr. income like GT7. Give away your life or give us real money, that's the deal.

I’m going be straight but as someone who running this on my Xbox, it looks WAY better than FH5. FH5 is always blurry whenever I near 200mph and sure I’ve only played FM6 in the Motorsport series but still it’s amazing. So far I’m giving it a B-/C+ due to the AI being garbage and not having split screen as it was a blast having my friends over and racing then. As for the car leveling system, I love it. It actually makes me feel more connected to the car rather than collecting them and only using them when I need to (I’m looking at you FH5). Instead of having things handed to us, we have to work for what we have and I think it’s a great lesson for our generation. Could it improve? Absolutely but calling it mid is a bit of a stretch for me, but to be fair the only race specific games I’ve played are GT6 on the PS3 and FM6

For me ... I wasn't expecting anything "revolutionary" about Forza, ...because Forza makes Forza things, and those things are purely Arcade money grab hype games. Build from the ground up, using almost everything that existed in Forza Horizon, and add some "specs". How can a developer fail this?, missing the oportunity of the GT7 career disaster. FM8 game is enternaining at best. I like GT series, especially the handling and physics.... FM8 could be on par with GT7 handling/physics ( im going to dismiss the graphics ..polyphony is polyphony), but is not even close... all cars are a pure inconsisted mess. the "upgrades" are there to disguise the bad "sim-racing" feel/customization. that you can't even control brake bias/diferential/traction control in race... bad.... Entertaining Racing game with tracks. doesnt have a single point of eSport or Competive pedigree on it. Sadly.

Personally i hated the old system where each race you were so shoehorned into your upgrades to compete that you could never build your car the way you actually wanted.

this was more built from up to the ground such a big downgrade..