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Upvote for visibility 👍 0:49 Presentation 4:22 Content 8:16 Graphics 12:00 Performance 13:16 Driving Physics 16:42 Force Feedback Handling 18:18 Rain Handling and Weather Systems 20:10 AI 22:41 Multiplayer

It feels like polyphony actually have a passion for cars and want to show off that passion through the game. Turn 10 seem to have no passion at all. How can you approve and be proud of 15 year old 3d car models...

The VR version of gran turismo is the game changer for me. As someone who doesnt get a chance to be around these beautiful cars, the chance to walk around a mclaren f1, or to sit in it made me tear up.

In terms of graphics. I think it speaks volumes that I still visiting GT7s photo mode on a daily basis to make pictures and I bought the game at launch.

We went from, "This game just released so it's superior to the older game, and that might make it an unfair comparison but.." to, "This game just released so it may not be polished like the older game, and have as many updates as the older games, so you might think this is an unfair comparison" Good lord

I respect Forza Motorsport and all, but when my friends and I have a weekend without the wives and kids, we still pick up the PSVR2 and the logitech G29, and do time attacks in GT7 one after the other and try to beat the actual best time (ghost) of the group. It is a new way for us to enjoy time spent together, and the cheering and seeing what our friend is doing in VR on the social screen is a damn treat for car guy friends like us. Also, it is cheaper than karting, which we used to do before GT7 VR, and we can drink while doing it, making the experience a whooole lot more hilarious. :D

Biggest advantage for gran turismo is the support for vr where all those beautifully crafted cockpits are shown off in a proper way. Also kinda insane that gt7 looks that much better the FM even thought its running on a machine which costs like a thrid of that pc.

Ooft As a GT fan I was hoping Forza could innovate on the simcade market, because competition improves everyone

GTS and FM7 got released in the same week in 2017, so the time taken to develop the latest version of GT7 is same as time taken to develop the latest version of FM......in that sense, I am surprised just how underbaked FM 2023 really is

6:11 keep in mind that a significant number of cars from forza's car list are recycled from older games and have completely innacurate 3d models that literally date back to 2006, where gran turismo completely started over with sport so all of the cars could be up to the same level of quality

"built from the ground up". comment mandatory for under a video with Forza 23 as a topic.

This was my first VR game, and I can say as a kid obsessing over the r34 Gtr, buying every hot wheels version, diecast, and game it was ever in; being able to walk around it in life size scale and sit in it in VR fr made me tear up. Forza could never.

When I look into GT7 it looks you are looking through a camera, so beautiful

I am shocked how much better Gran Turismo looks visually.

1440p at 120 FPS VRR on GT is pretty smooth.

I really hoped motorsports would bring something..."more" to the table, but I'm not sure they did, hard to see in the undercooked state of it, which is a real shame. GT7 seems to be polished all around, not perfect of course, but does well enough to appreciate the details. GT7 needed some time to get to that level, here's hoping forza will get better with time too.

You will always get Forza fan boys that will hate on Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo fan boys that will hate on Forza and most of them probably haven't even played both 😆 I have GT7 and I love it apart from the lack of race cars in the updates but I can't say anything about Forza cuz I have never played it. If I could afford it I would have both.

@12:40 GT7 has 4 picture modes actually. Digital Foundry did a video on the 120hz patch changes. 2 are hidden and are only if ur display supports VRR and then u can do 4k @90-100fps, then theres the 1440p 120fps locked. U have to enable VRR in ur PS5 settings and it automatically changes how the 2 settings in the game perform, when u have 120fps enabled in game. Basically if u have VRR u get significantly better peformance, its giving way more fps for no cost to graphics. They fixed drifting in GT7, its close to real life and assetto corsa now, idk in which update this happened havent been playing alot untill this update.

My only gripe is GT is I would like to see previous content return such as the Lotus brand and some of the tracks such as Seattle, New York and Soul.

I have nothing but props to what Gran Turismo has been doing with this game, and I agree that Forza is very barebones and also in need of a lot of changes. I will say however, the multiplayer has kept me hooked for reasons unknown. The Forza GT series has been completely addicting and I've had a lot of great races with, shockingly, no dirty drivers.

I like the little things like the hopeless factory clutch compared to much faster capability after upgrades. I imagine some people probably think it's a glitch that you have to shift like your driving an 88 Yugo until you upgrade the full assembly

We need gt7 on pc with triple screen support.

Gran turismo is trying things, but those tries sometimes fail (cafe menus, roulette tickets, vision gt) Forza doesn’t try nearly as much, i literally don’t know the difference between fm5 and fm7 beyond amount of content, but that also means they stumble bit less, but when they do it’s pretty bad (fm5, car xp having to be scaled way back after few weeks)

I love both games equally. There are things about both that piss me off. Just today I got a reward in GT7 that ALLOWS me to BUY the car! Like really?!? I don’t get the car, but now I’m allowed to spend 1000000 credits to buy it. That just pisses me off 😂. The amount that cars cost is inexcusable. I have a full time job and school and other hobbies. I adore the new master licenses though. Chef’s kiss

absolutely loved the nostalgic old forza and GT music you were playing in the background, really nice touch that might go unnoticed... I have been trying to decide between these two as my main sim and this really helped! great vid.

Nice video and I love the fact that you incorporated Forza 3 background music. A nice little hint of better times 👍

I have been delightfully surprised at the GR3 and 4 cars in GT7. Apparently these are the cars the physics model was based on. The higher downloaded cars of Group 3 are quite sensitive to ride height and suspension setup. If the height is too low and suspension too soft, the underbody aero effect is destroyed and grip dissappears quickly. Raise the height too much and stiffen the suspension too much and it's the same result in the opposite direction. Aero effect either isn't there, or is weird on straights, and dissappears under braking and turn in. Ir provides a very in depth challenge for the tuning forks of racing enthusiasm. But simply having cars that have both grip, and speed, at the same time. Very nice, and realistic. Unlike Project Cars, where it's one or the other, never both.

Speaking of AWD systems since you mentioned it on 14:40 and it bothered me: Subaru (as well as GT-Rs) uses a longitudinally mounted engines for their AWD's. LanEvos, GR-Yaris, small Volkswagen Group cars etc. use transverse front mounted engine AWD's Large Audis use a longitudinally mounted engines mounted to a front transaxle. Basically Porsche 911 backwards. Transversely mounted mid-engine AWD is very rare, Peugeot 205 T16 had one, all currently made mid-engine AWD's use longitudinal setup.

also GT7 has VR which elevates it to a different level entirely

I think the customisation comparison was kind of off in this video. FM has got the same Forza Aero on most cars and that's it. In GT7 on most cars you can get a custom racing wing and many more subtle adjustments like license plate placement or type, the rollcage design, light color adjustment, etc. I couldn't say that Forza has better customisation, even just because they claim for the game to be made from the ground up while still being stuck with the abomination of Forza Aero...

GT7 just cemented its place with the latest update. Even at launch GT7 didn't have the bugs and issues that Forza has. GT7 had big economy issues but zero bugs and polished.

GT7 all the way

Great breakdown of the physics of each game, RC 👍🏽

I got into GT when it came out and my friends and I were as serious as you could get with the customization and races as you can get. Gran Turismo is the ultimate driving simulator to me

It's quite the feat that both game drop the ball in the same thing, progression. GT7's cafe system has been heavily criticised for being a lot a less engagin etc., and lacking races for every groups and such that is the norm for GT. FM fails in their caRPG, in which I don't mind the concept, however is executed in a way that becomes monotonous & less forza like. Both I feel have great driving for simcade (though FM is lacking good wheel support), but neither I would say are great games within their respective series, but they could be if their progression alone was improved.

great review of the two games. I would like to make one technical correction, Subaru's are not transverse awd they are longitudinal awd and they still push. It is more a product of how they vector TQ then the physical layout.

A detail on GT7's standard driver ai, It can actually be rather competent if given the chance to shine (see: Clubman Cup Plus), and makes for really fun racing. It's a problem of game design - The ai are artificially limited for most of the singleplayer campaign.

Gt feels premium and it has it's own identity unlike Forza it feels like a normal racing games

I love GT7 because of its approach with car enthusiasm, general passion for cars and its overall style, I never played a forza motorsport game but it never gave off that feeling, my friend played FM8 for a week and ended up quitting because he found it so boring.

Gran Turismo will forever be the best

As a forza fan, i 'm taking this L like a man, GT7 looks so great😭😭

Turn10 needs new head stuff asap, they failed to deliver 4 times now. MS needs to change head stuff like they did in Playground Games and 343 Industries where both of studios main games redeemed and turned much better with new leaders. It is shame that for 2 generations (as of now, don't know if another motorsport title would come out for series console) getting absolutely beaten by PD and Sony. New Forza Motorsport is a slap to the face for racing fans and people who loves cars. As a PC player I am sad that we don't have proper simcade track racing title.

I have a feeling that Assetto Corsa 2 is going to be phenomenal, especially if they pull off PSVR2 support.

After playing GT7 for a year or so and having bought Forza Motorsport near launch, I can subjectively say GT7 is better in every regard. I also recently got a VR2 and now GT7 is even better. I'm struggling to find something that FM does better over GT7. Also also, the multiplayer scene is vastly different in each game. GT7 has more serious racers it seems while FM caters to the more arcadey side. Sooo much ramming in FM. I hung my hat up on FM multiplayer. I was getting so frustrated by every race being destroyed by rammers. Unless you start at the begging to mid pack, you're in for a world of pain come any T1 lol. There's definitely dirty drivers in GT7 no doubt, just less imo.

On the point about customisation - the options available in GT, while limited, are all based on tried and tested and fully known variables or have been calculated with as much real world engineering and factual parameters on the whole (maybe not price) where as I highly doubt that the options in the Forza titles have had more than the basic research for the major selections ie drivetrain change and non model based engine transplants, so less of realism is still a win compared to the fantasy plethora that Forza offers. Then again that is basically what Forza has always been about compared to the real driving simulator. NB - a K series engine is in no way unrealistic for transplanting in to another Honda. The theoretical top speed is about the gearing not the swap.

I'm sorry... 11:30 The cage... what is that hole? I'm assuming you're playing with ray tracing on forza, right? so why is there no shadow on the cluster from the shield above it? T10 really did not account for people with ADHD and ADD issues. Because people with these kind of conditions will look at these details and can not look away anymore. The game can handle like it could cure cancer, but my god, this stuff triggers me so hard.

Couldn’t agree more with these points, and this is coming from a guy who has lived on Forza since FM2 2005 on the 360. The disappointment is palpable, especially seeing how good GT7 has become. Got burned by GT6 but may have to come back sometime lol

11:00 look at those audience popping in and out, this some issue with the replay of the game

Nice comparison mr random ! im no fanboy and never owned a forza game since the original xbox but with a reasonably beefy pc@120fps 4k i have really enjoyed my time in forza ... hopefully better optimization will help more people get to enjoy the game without performance troubles they are having. FFB stock isnt very good ,but tweaked is like night and day. there are some problems AI is a bit 'hit' and miss and visually it can be amazing or wtf ! good to see both developers pushing each other so we get closer to 'real' racing.

What i dont like is that there are no factory settings for the cars as far as traction control abs etc..

16:01 "All about finesse" Spoon S2000 absolutely bellying it in the barrier in the background

I think the only way for forza to regain their reputation is to create a big patch for the forza motorsport 2023. A patch that overhauls their steering physics and make their ghosting more predictive and sensible to avoid the infamous forza corner mayhem. These 2 things seems to be small but it created a big impact to the game that fixing it will most likely make people want to play it again especially in the multiplayer platform.

i have to Say the regular AI has changed with the last uptade, it's definetly faster now, it's not sophy but its better than before

If anyone has played both with the same wheel Is the ffb of gt7 as springy feeling on center as gt6 is?

The attention to details on GT7 is extraordinary

im surprised you didnt touch on fm only having h pattern gearboxes on all cars. they dont know how to handle sequentials.

I have been playing GT7 since launch on PS5, as well as FM in XBSX, and for all the crap I threw to GT in all these months, I was very excited for FM. That said, GT has a lot to improve (and the worse thing is that some of the most important stuff it needs to improve is right there, in the game's history. More events/tournaments that make use of all your collection!), but one thing I never doubted is that it looks really good. I had very high expectations for FM since it was more time in development and has launched exclusively in current gen consoles, so no optimisation or compromise had to be made for older generations. Considering that, I can take away two things: - I am very excited for whatever GT comes next exclusively for current consoles (or with them as a base) - I am very disappointed with how FM looks at some times, as well as how good it looks other times. The mix and match of car model quality is horrid. It reminds me to when people add modded cars into PC games, which obviously have different levels of details/effort. And then, some weather effects are so, so good (when you have a patch of free sky where the sun shines through into the road of an otherwise cloudy day, for example) Being a video game fan, I just want both to be the best they can be. At this point, GT is much closer (and has it much easier) than Forza, if you ask me. And I didn't even talk about the progress losing bugs that made me drop Forza for 1/3 of a month to see if they fixed it.

Which game is that at 13:35 when the text "I ENJOY" is shown?

The Pokémon style of car upgrades isn't always bad .. Most wanted 2012 had it but is was just 5-6 races to peak a car.

Gt7 on psvr2 is the greatest driving experience of all time, its so good forza has become irrelevant in this debate.. plus the levelling up system for parts in forza is just childish.. gt7 is the better product overall

Great review! As an Xbox player, I bought FM at launch and was hopeful. Some additions are nice (tire wear, fuel, dynamic weather/time, all things GT has had for some time now), but overall it feels like an update to FM7 rather than a whole new game "from the ground up" as they claimed. I know updates will improve things over time, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking at buying a PS5 to get on the GT7 train. Something about those graphics...

What car was that with Oldsmobile written on the bag at around 9:55

What Subarus use a transversal engine mount?

Frist of all I played both a lot and I enjoy the multiplayer in both but Forza feels better to me, more raw and not so hyperclean like gt7. I love the way they go with training/qualifying/race and maybe I’m the only one but I really like the leveling system. If it wouldn’t exits i probably would dump cars a lot quicker and would not give them a chance. But after playing a of them mp only in tc or gt class. I found my car and even sat down to create my own livery. But of course the game by now is in a awful condition but I’m looking forward for the 2.0 update. This game has a lot of potential!

Forza will never be able to beat GT, no racing games will in their totality. There is a love of the automobile, its history and its culture that GT is able to convey that no other racing game manages to do. There is a sophistication to its presentation that most other games lack. From understanding its old school roots (like the little car wash guy animation) to embracing new technologies like VR, there is a personality to GT that makes it holy unique. GT isn’t without its issues but as a complete package and succeeding upon its vision, it is untouchable and arguably the most important driving series there will ever be.

Psvr2 on gt7 is simply absolutely incredible

Subaru's are actually longitudinal AWD. Something like a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo would be a transverse AWD layout.

12:35 Important note on performance and overall… GT7 is CROSSGEN!!! This is not even a full on next gen game. Environments all in GT7 can feel low poly and low detail and I think it makes performance easier as they were not pushing the limits. I think we will have to wait for GT8 to really push the limits.

As someone who doesn´t know that much about car culture, the Menu completion videos were one of my favorite parts of the campaign

That FM3 music playing in the background gonna make me cry

I can't say I feel the car choice comparison has been fairly made here. GT7 is pumping up its list of cars artificially by giving me 3-4 identical race cars with different liveries while for example Audi is missing all RS models, Mercedes has like 2 or 3 AMGs, most of the JDM legends are missing too. If it was supposed to be a car collector's game then it really came out shit on the list of cars to collect.. every time I wanted to take a car I always liked but couldn't afford, it wasn't there

forza doesnt come close to gt7 as an overall package

GT7 doesnt even have vocal audio. There's literally not a word said in the whole game.

Nothing about the fatal boar in FM? On all comparative replays, the suspension in FM works separately, each wheel living its own life. In GT7, you can see how each wheel is part of the same suspension and works as a system. If someone doesn't know anything about driving a real car, you may not see it, but it's conspicuous, all it takes is some comparison video on yt and a camera behind the car - you can see the huge difference in suspension work.

The thing I hate about Forzas driving model is the rear wheel drive cars. They feel like on ice, it's so annoying. I'm pretty confident this was done to further emphasize the meaning of suspension / tire upgrades, however even low powered, stock RWD cars behave like they are broken.

FM8 physics is okay if you mostly do the multiplayer spec series, but falls apart in situations where you can't tune a car and are forced to use street tires (like Logitech Rivals). The FFB varies a lot based on the car and also the track. Some cars have dead, lifeless steering no matter what you do, and some tracks have very little feel (some Suzuka curbs have no geometry, for instance) while some tracks are a bit better. Overall, the game is very inconsistent with the information it gives you via the wheel and its apparent that wheels were an afterthought for Turn 10. As someone who is mostly interested in multiplayer races, the CarPG nature of the game is extremely annoying. I don't need to form a long term committed relationship with every fucking car in a game that has 500 cars! /rant Oh, also, slight correction, but Subarus have longitudinal boxer engines, not transverse.

This new forza has been a massive disappointment for me, hopefully some updates can improve it alot.

I’m fortunate enough to have XSX and PS5 and I love Forza but I’ve played GT since PS1 and although I’m disappointed with GT7’s car lineup, Forza can’t hope to compete with GT7 on PSVR2! It is unbelievable and it never stops being unbelievable and about 400 times more immersive. Apart from g-forces it’s real. Just looking over at the car next to you is freaking incredible and the accuracy of nose-to-tail and side to side gaps is mind blowing. If XSX had VR for Forza then it would absolutely compete. (Plus my irl car has been in every GT since 3 but now it’s not in 7 but it IS in Forza😢 so I will have to get a PC for that)

I had GT3 way back in the day, and have always been impressed. Getting a ps5 soon so I think I’m gonna get GT7. You can just tell they have so much pride in development

Absolutely no contest!!!! No doubt!! 1 started in 97'!!! Yes GT reigns supreme....... Forza is only in it for GTs market share and has been following in GTs footsteps eversince........ GT forges ahead...... GT is massive in the industry, GT creates racing drivers! GT was ahead when creating GT academy! GT works closely with the industry! GT works closely with Wheel manufacturers! Vision GT cars! PD has created real life car dashboards! 2 now with Toyota! Now GT and Sophy!!! not forgetting GT Esport! Yes GT has stalled the last 2 or 3 versions, due to ambition of both Sony and PD..... No surprise that GT5 / 6 stumbled paralleling the PS3 and PS4 just wasnt as powerful CPU wise for what PD wanted to do Forza wishes it has the detail, passion and dedication of PDs behemoth! 1 is a juggernaught the other is just a pretender!

granturismo is miles away

GT7 also runs at native 4K/90 fps if your TV/monitor has HDMI 2.1. I'm not sure if you mentioned that.

The fact that polyphony games spent a whole PlayStation gen to re do the car model just shows their passion for cars and the game itself

As a long time Forza player, FM8 is shameful.

GT7 is the best automotive game in the market if we look to the whole package. VR, Graphics, number of cars, level of detail, simulation, physics, campaign, multiplayer, support and so on. Looking at GT7, the evolution from GT Sports, makes me believe that GT8 will be a Beast.

In grand tourismo can you ever get some kind of open world driving? Or can you only play on racing tracks?

If you use a wheel in GT7, set the CONTROLLER sensitivity to 5.

Certainly agree regarding the state of the games, however i have struggled to get immersed into GT's for a long time, mainly the lack of bonnet cam is a dealbreaker, i just cant get a long with bumper or roof cam. The other thing keeping me on FM is the variety of MP, they have all these amazing cars in GT7 but then limit the MP so much in the daily races, I mean they released the 190E in the last release, with no way of racing it in the daily races, yet I saw a few popping up in the D class races in FM. This week ive been levelling up the new gen mustangs to try and replicate a Gen 3 supercar, and racing it in the S class lobbies is a blast, when 1.40 was teased I though maybe PD were going to try match this variety but no dice, ive fired up GT7 a couple of times since but I honestly dont have much reason to, i'm not going to bother grinding for cars that serve no purpose outside of single player

Are you comparing the launch version of both?

I mean, does GT7 allow you to drive all standard edition cars for free in quick races/laps outside the career?

The Subaru Impreza does have a longitudinal positioned engine, its the Mitsubishi Evo that has a transverse layout

Hard disagree on the physics being a "draw". GT7 is probably the best simcade when it comes to physics (I'd categorize ACC, iRacing, etc, as sims, not simcade). Forza is barely a simcade at all, with floaty cars where an FF will oversteer almost as much as an RR.

I cant go back to gt7 after forza. The driving physics feel way better.

25:25 thanks for that fm3 jingle

i like how the people just popping on and off on the bottom of the screen at 11:00 KEKW

Forza's biggest accomplishment is being compared to GT

GT7 > Forza

In FM the handling a stoc cars are no really, you must stay and training a lot of setting to find a good settings that give a good handling experience. Looks at AM2 or ACC how good are the spot cars like gt3

I haven’t played GT7 but my complaint with Forza Motorsport is that almost all of the cars understeer like crazy. You can’t feel the slip angle through the wheel. Every corner feels greasy.