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#framework #laptop #linux
00:00 Intro
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01:35 Who are they?
03:45 Customization Options
05:10 Comparison with Framework
07:07 Design & Build Quality
08:53 Specifications
10:35 Performance & Battery life
11:51 Display, inputs, speakers, mic & webcam
13:41 Should you buy one?
14:58 Support the channel
NovaCustom Website: configurelaptop.eu/
NovaCustom is from the Netherlands, and they're specialized in laptops, you won't find desktop PCs in here. They put the focus on customization of your laptop to your exact specifications, they ship Linux out of the box, and they use coreboot.
They offer 3 years of warranty, and they guarantee spare parts availability for your device up to 7 years after your purchase.
They have 14 inches, 15 inches and 17 inches, the cheapest they have is 749€, and the most expensive goes up to 3900 euros but that's with all the options ticked
Of course, you can change the specs, but you can also add you own logo, you can change the boot logo, you can engrave the palm rest, you can pick between Windows and Linux, or you can ask them to create a dual boot.
You can choose yo use your own keyboard layout, in ANSI or ISO, change the look of the super key, change keyboard illumination, ask to completely remove the mic and webcam...
Framework goes further, since you can even replace the entire motherboard and keep the whole chassis, keyboard, panel, webcam and ports. They don't have as many models and sizes though, and until the 16 inch model releases, you're not getting any dedicated GPU options, and you're limited to 13 inches.
Novacustom is more about customization, repairability, and allowing users access to their own hardware, where Framework is more about keeping the exact same device, and making it modular, and allowing complete upgrades.
In terms of price range, Framework will be a little bit more expensive than NovaCustom for the same configurations, but they do have better panels, and newer CPU options, plus Ryzen options that Novacustom don't currently offer.
My review unit is the NS51 series, their mid range laptop. In terms of build quality, it feels very rigid, the hinge is super solid. The whole thing is pretty heavy, 1.7 kilos, and it's quite sturdy.
The only real issue I can see is the position of the power button, next to a USB port
All the spare parts are accessible for up to 7 years after your purchase, and they give you a complete service manual.
My review unit came with a core i7 1260P. In terms of I/O, on the right, you get gigabit ethernet, the ill placed power button, one USB 2 port, a micro SD card reader, and on the right, you have your barrel charger, an HDMI port, a USB 3.0 port, and 1 thunderbolt 4 and 1 type C 3.1 Gen 2 port. You can charge the laptop using USB C.
This laptop came with coreboot, with Dasharo firmware.
In terms of performance, the CPU gets a more than honorable 2498 in single core, and 7450 in multi core. As per battery life, this chip is relatively power efficient, it lasts for about 7 hours at mid brightness, wifi on, watching youtube videos in a loop.
Now let's look at the various things this laptop comes with. The display is 15.6 inches, 1080p, 16:9, 300 nits of brightness. It covers 98% of SRGB.
As per input, the keyboard feels pretty good to type on. They keys have good travel, they bounce back well, it doesn't feel mushy for a membrane keyboard, and it sounds pretty good. It's a good keyboard.
The touchpad is decent, it doesn't feel like glass, but it's smooth enough, large enough, and it feels precise. It did wobble a little bit and you can feel that when just using tap to click.
Now, the webcam is the usual potato quality fare, it's 720p.
The microphone is the same, it will be suitable for short video conferences, but it makes you sound distant.
And finally, the speakers, they're your average fare.

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@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

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@repairstudio4940 10 месяцев назад

I must have this!!!!!

@itsapersonn 10 месяцев назад

I think it's awesome that other companies have seen the success that the Framework Laptop has achieved and want in on it. It's a huge step forward for consumers.

@felixjohnson3874 9 месяцев назад

Nah, its a myth, everyone just copies apple and consumers are powerless - companies like this and framework are just illusions to make you think you have a choice when in reality you are forced to buy frome shitty name brands. (I wrote this as a satire, but rereading it I realize this is literally what people actually believe. I don't even know where to go from here)

@domwick720 7 месяцев назад

And banks😒

@peterboil4064 4 месяца назад

Novacustom is older than Framework.

@itsapersonn 4 месяца назад

@@peterboil4064 I guess it's the other way around then?

@Siniverisyys 10 месяцев назад

I think it'd be really cool if System 76 built Framework laptops and modules

@ouiVEVO 10 месяцев назад

That would be such a power move, like "yeah the ecosystem is open, what are you gonna do about it"

@matt42hughes 10 месяцев назад

@@ouiVEVOi’d suspect framework would love it. that is the purpose of the open ecosystem.

@MultiCyberAngel 10 месяцев назад

@@ouiVEVOthey want other companies to make those modules. That's the whole point of open ecosystem

@clocked0 10 месяцев назад

@@ouiVEVO Nothing, because framework provided the schematics necessary to make your own modules if you wanted to :) They don't care.

@D-Res 10 месяцев назад

Based on System 76's track record, I wouldn't buy a module designed by them...

@justinchampion5468 10 месяцев назад

LMAO! When I saw you typing in 'TempleOS' in their configurator, I was glad I wasn't drinking anything... ZOMG.

@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

Hahaha woops

@Chemical_Alchemist 10 месяцев назад

I just ordered a Framework 13 last week, I can't wait for it to come in. It's actually a downgrade from my current laptop, but I need a small laptop with a long battery life for college and I love that it's something that I could continue to upgrade for years to come.

@croxymoc3254 10 месяцев назад

I have a framework 13 and I love it but let me tell you the battery laptop is not it

@gigalodon14 10 месяцев назад

@@croxymoc3254i mean it depends, compared to older laptops or gaming laptops the Framework Laptop can run a marathon :D

@-aexc- 10 месяцев назад

the frameworks battery life isn't good iirc. it's the reason I bought an Asus laptop instead of a framework

@nordicbastard2328 10 месяцев назад

I got my Framework at the end of 2021, and love it (actually bought 2). I considered it a "downgrade" at the time because of the smaller screen, but got over that very quickly -- it's awesome, there's no other laptop that comes close to tempting me away. Been running MXLinux since day one. And now I put in my preorder for the AMD upgrade board -- a "new" laptop for $500 upgrade? Yes please!

@Junky1425 10 месяцев назад

Like my predeseccors yes the batterie is not that good. it is ok and better then my surface 7 (which framework replaced) also the speaker are not that great. But the rest is great. Framework will also have the option with a bigger batterie, which i really concider to buy in some months to have a better batterie lifetime. Also i didn't got the fingerprint sensor working on KUbuntu 20.04. I think every laptop has some problems and some bad things but at framework you can replace this hardware if they sell an upgrade or you can make the upgrade on your own

@PixelShade 10 месяцев назад

It's a shame they don't have any AMD options. Otherwise, I really like what they are doing, and after buying conventional laptops, I am really looking forward to get one in the future that is actually repairable.

@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, AMD and 16:10 would be cool!

@cameronbosch1213 10 месяцев назад

@TheLinuxEXP That's the reason I canceled my order from System76 twice. They have very good laptops, but they're not for me; the Bonobo lacks a 16 : 10 screen and the Oryx Pro is stuck with a terribly valued RTX 4070 at best with a 1920 x 1200, a waste for modern GPUs. The Framework Laptop 16 looks like the best option for me; unfortunately, it's still going to be a wait for the Framework Laptop 16, and no word on Nvidia support (Blender and DaVinci Resolve essentially require Nvidia GPUs) and it likely will be power limited as it uses USB-C PD 3.1.

@mavfan1 10 месяцев назад

if something is "actually repairable" is that different than simply being repairable? If not why use the worthless word "actually"?

@X-3K 10 месяцев назад

@@cameronbosch1213 > Blender essentially requires Nvidia GPUs That's hopefully turning around, Blender 3.6 came out with hardware accelerated ray-tracing for AMD on windows, so later versions should recieve hardware raytracing for linux, too Obviously tho this only reduced the gap, Nvidia is still on top of RT until AMD gets competitive, so one can only hope

@THYnameISsarcasm 10 месяцев назад

@@mavfan1Because companies often design their hardware in a way that it IS "repairable" but doing so is comically overcomplicated r risky. That way, they can claim they make something repairable while scaring people off with lengthy/risky processes that void their warranty

@jimbo-dev 10 месяцев назад

I’m glad that they sent a high end model without nvidia gpu. It is surprisingly hard to find high end cpu and integrated gpu combination in stock, which is very beneficial configuration for many programmers

@xybersurfer 10 месяцев назад

exactly

@tacokoneko 10 месяцев назад

i love amd

@ernestoditerribile 10 месяцев назад

A very honest review. Way better than most RU-vid channels.

@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@Fenrasulfr 10 месяцев назад

Another laptop I can not afford 😢. Although it is really cool to see more and more manufactures that take repairability seriously.

@rijaja 10 месяцев назад

It's cool to focus on customization but they only have 16:9 aspect ratio displays, even on some models that are physically 16:10, which looks a bit weird with the huge empty space at the bottom of the display assembly

@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, 16:10 would be cool to see!

@RandomGeometryDashStuff 10 месяцев назад

why does youtube think that 16:9 is not timestamp but 16:10 is?

@rijaja 10 месяцев назад

@@RandomGeometryDashStuff I think the timestamp would be 16:09

@Simon-xi8tb 8 месяцев назад

Exactly! What is the point of custmization if you don't offer 16:10 or 4:3 screens. It's a shame, because all the competition is now on 16:10. It's the only thing keeping me from being a Nova customer.

@schwingedeshaehers 6 месяцев назад

@@RandomGeometryDashStuffthe timestamp needs 2 numbers behind the :, that means:09

@thetriankh 10 месяцев назад

The list of such companies which focus more on repairability or sustainability or linux keeps on increasing. There's System 76, Framework, Starlabs, purism, Tuxedo, Slimbook & now Novacustom.

@chromaticvisuelle 10 месяцев назад

Wow I only knew about Framework!!! Thanks!!

@Tom_Azin 10 месяцев назад

I like the power button on the side as that means I don't have to open up the laptop if I want to use it with my desktop monitor and keyboard and mouse. I would however rather see that the power on button would not be a simple push button, but push and slide (like on angle grinders for example) preventing accidental turn on/off.

@arxaaron 10 месяцев назад

Framework 16 pre-sales just opened. I've been following their progress for a while and, given the flexibility of my budget and attractive features like exchangeable ports, , they will probably get my purchase. Still, it was nice to have this video to make comparisons with some viable alternatives that I wasn't aware of before. Thanks Nick!

@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

I’ll reach out to them to see if I could get a review unit

@NoThing-ec9km 5 месяцев назад

What happened about it.@@TheLinuxEXP

@ne90316 10 месяцев назад

I am just happy that repairable electronics are still being maintained by these smaller companies when big manufacturers are just ditching them.

@Appalling68 10 месяцев назад

Never heard of this company. I've been mulling over a Framework for over a year now but the last I checked I still can't get it with a Spanish keyboard. Also, I don't know if the Framework devices are available with Coreboot, which I would totally prefer. I am someone who wants total repairability home-based replaceability and that's what got me interested in Framework in the first place. Also want a laptop with hardware that works perfectly with Linux (be it Mint, Arch, or Fedora). Guess I'll mosey on over and take a look at NovaCustom. Thanks for the video, Nick!

@Its-Just-Zip 10 месяцев назад

From what I've seen, there is no core boot available for framework and the Spanish keyboard should be coming with the 16-in and it should also be available on the 13 after that launches

@cameronbosch1213 10 месяцев назад

Only the Chromebook Framework Laptops come with it. I don't know if it will work on any other version...

@user-tc9tb3a 10 месяцев назад

USB 2 is needed for stability when flashing Android phones via fastboot and doing similar things

@wyfyj 10 месяцев назад

Can't wait for my FW13 to come in. I bought the AMD version. Currently setting up a VM of NixOS so I can migrate the config files upon installation.

@-aexc- 10 месяцев назад

i didn't think of doing that, thanks I was planning to switch to nixos but didn't want to commit to not having my laptop

@LautaroQ2812 10 месяцев назад

I don't care about the energy but overall the rest sounds amazing. They are not cheap products, but the experience as a whole doesn't sound cheap either which is a great thing to say. Hope they do well!

@MegaManNeo 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Nick, I dunno when I upgrade my laptops but I like having similar-ish options to Framework, especially if these are close to Germany due to shipping and imports.

@patjustpat8178 10 месяцев назад

I don't often follow the channel and I have been lucky enough to tune in the day you bring up novacustom. I bought a NS51MU from them over 2 years ago, and I've gotta say, Wessel is the man! I unfortunately have had to use the warranty (in multiple occasions) due to batteries being swollen, and they took care of the issue in a way which totally exceeded my wildest expectations. I landed on them because I found the exact laptop I wanted by Clevo and I checked all resellers in EU. I'll just say that if I could buy groceries from them, I would. 20 stars out of 5.

@developerpranav 10 месяцев назад

Highly considering Nova Custom for my new laptop. They share many good things with System76 and Framework, while also shipping to India! Their focus on sustainability and the thing about running on renewable energy only increases my trust in them, which makes me willing to pay the premium. Thanks for the great review!

@maxmouse3 6 месяцев назад

I didn’t know about them, but it’s pretty cool! Great to see good options and competition :)

@paullafleur6112 10 месяцев назад

Cool. Always good to see more competition to Star Labs, System 76, Framework, etc to keep everybody sharp. I like this segment of the market

@KLiNoTweet 10 месяцев назад

That this open with one hand-thing is for accessibility I didn't know. Learned a new thing 😊

@AriaLavinde 10 месяцев назад

I swear, this algorithm tracks me everywhere. I have been looking for Framework, and now look what- Oh wait, this came up 20 minutes ago. :o Thanks for the video, Nick! 😊

@johanngambolputty5351 10 месяцев назад

Oooo, my next laptop is almost certainly going to be a coreboot one. I hope they can get an option with both thin bezels and dedicated graphics by then. I also hope someone will start selling consumer (modern) motherboards with coreboot at some point, though of course there's just that one that dasharo worked on I think, and that's both not that new and probably pretty rare.

@samuelllano7536 10 месяцев назад

Great review as always. I really like this channel. Small detail though: Framework does officially support Ubuntu and Fedora. I'd love this channel to do a full review of the Framework btw

@samganji6987 7 месяцев назад

I am rocking a framwork 13 with Manjaro for 2 years. Love it. Because of a faulty Anker usb cable (I later realized because the same cable harmed another device) I fried the motherboard and they sent me a new motherboard free of charge. I replaced it in 20 mins and was back to business.

@teachingthecode4651 10 месяцев назад

The 14 and 15-inch HP Elitebooks are very repairable and durable. I've had a 14-inch HP Elitebook with a first gen Ryzen APU for over 4 years now. I've dropped it onto concrete from over a meter up three times, still works. I've upgraded the RAM and Wifi card, and I've replaced the cooling fan and battery. The Cooling fan started making a noise after 2 years and the Battery had a bad cell after 3.5 years.

@TravellerHD 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video; I'm glad to know about these guys now. I could easy see myself buying my next laptop from them.

@MohanRam 10 месяцев назад

Repair-ability is a must. This is just awesome that they offer all that out of the box.

@JoshuaT902 10 месяцев назад

Frameworks 16inch laptop is a game changer with the module GPU module. Can't wait to see the price of laptop some point this year

@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

Yeah me too!

@cameronbosch1213 10 месяцев назад

Until it comes out, I don't see any other laptop that meets my needs that isn't a Windows laptop...

@thatadde 10 месяцев назад

On many distros, you can very easily set your power button to not shut down your PC and instead ask what to do, do nothing, etc. It doesn't excuse the poor design, but I think it's an helpful mitigation option if the laptop does interest you but fat fingering is a concern.

@novacustom 10 месяцев назад

I have the NV40 Series myself which has the power button at the right side as well, just like this NS51 Series. I must say I have never accidentally pressed the power button ... 😀

@williamkibira5789 10 месяцев назад

This review is amazing, in regards to what you said about the speakers, are there any laptop models that have amazing audio quality output via internal speakers like Mac Books ? Perhaps a review on specific aspects of laptops like audio quality would be a nice.

@slayparader 10 месяцев назад

I'll be waiting for them to ship with AMD. Until then, I'm waiting. But thank you Linux Experiment for introducing this to us all.

@FerralVideo 10 месяцев назад

I'm not currently in the market for a new laptop, since my current "fleet" meets all my needs and wants. Once I need a new one though, these guys will definitely be on my radar.

@Winnetou17 10 месяцев назад

I'd like to see an Apple representative see the $5 difference between 4 and 8 GB of RAM and run away screaming in shock and terror. Back on topic, this is pretty neat! Didn't knew about NovaCustom! Though to be frank, I do like Framework more. Too bad they don't ship in Romania. But the current generation of CPUs (both Intel and AMD) cannot properly support 4 sticks of DDR5 RAM anyway, so I guess I'll have to wait anyway. Also, kudos to them for still having DVD options! It is a niche nowadays, but it's still nice to have.

@mort_brain 10 месяцев назад

This is just mindblowing that such manufacters exist.

@CocolinoFan 2 месяца назад

This is almost perfect for me. Thank you for the video.

@morpheon_xyz 10 месяцев назад

I'm glad to see companies making dedicated laptops / desktops for Linux operating systems. And I'm not sure if this is all happening because of windows screwing up their operating system now, but for the past 3 months I have completely jumped ship and ran Debian 12 on bleeding edge prior to its release. KDE has come a long way with their Plasma desktop, and I actually prefer it now compared to Gnome, and KDE connect helps a lot when I'm transferring stuff to and from my laptop, and also when copying and pasting between my phone and laptop, or even when playing media, or whatever the case may be. I just can't use windows anymore, it's honestly more frustrating than before, and I thought 10 was a disaster already. Glad Linux is receiving the love it deserves

@theodoros_1234 10 месяцев назад

Here's something about laptop speakers on Linux: For many portable devices, such as laptops, phones and tablets, manufacturers install software that does digital audio processing to tune the speakers and make them sound better than they are. On my laptops (that came with Windows), I've noticed a significant difference in speaker quality and loudness between Windows and Linux, or on Windows before installing the proper audio drivers. On Linux, this can be fixed by installing some software called "EasyEffects" for Pipewire or "PulseEffects" for pulseaudio. If you play around with the knobs and dials in that program, you can make your speakers sound way better. I'm guessing that NovaCustom and some other Linux-first manufacturers didn't do any speaker tuning on their devices, so this could really improve them if you make the right adjustments for your device.

@novacustom 10 месяцев назад

We don't, thanks for the hint. We will save this information for later and check it out!

@theodoros_1234 10 месяцев назад

@@novacustom Thank you for listening to my feedback! Just keep in mind that the software I mentioned used to have some bugs that could cause audio problems or crashes. It seems to be pretty stable nowadays (at least EasyEffects is), but you should test it to be sure.

@MrHasie 10 месяцев назад

How about a sub 13.5 in, with minimal bezels, in line with the XPS, something like the offering from GPD but not that small?

@User-404 10 месяцев назад

Looks good and cheap enough for the options you can configure

@AlexandruVoda 10 месяцев назад

I very much prefer the power button to be on the side like it is done here or how Lenovo does it. I think the way HP or Dell or Razer or others make the power button part of the keyboard as just another key and sometimes even move the delete key is just HORRIBLE. The power button does not belong on the keyboard.

@thatandyrose 26 дней назад

Hi! I'm loving your channel, thanks so much. Feels honest and straightforward! I have a question. Towards the end of this video you mention novacustom is maybe overpriced. From your perspective, if I want solid "just works" Linux support plus a lot of the upgradability and good company ethos, what are better value from money alternatives?

@calyodelphi124 10 месяцев назад

This video could not have possibly come at a better time when I am already in the market for, and idly paying attention to what is available, a new laptop, and I am already impressed by what I see. 8) I echo the sentiment of some others here that it's a shame they don't have any AMD options, but the fact that they offer ANSI keyboards whereas Tuxedo does not, I think I am SOLD.

@420bobby69 10 месяцев назад

these are really cool. I just preordered a framework 13 as honestly its exactly what I needed. I'm trying to get AWAY from the laptop-as-a-workstation trap. Having a high-quality small thin-and-light with AMD iGPU and power efficiency that I can upgrade for the foreseeable future is perfect. I would probably go for something like this with nvidia over the framework 16 if I needed a big boy though.

@cbbcbb6803 4 месяца назад

I have always considered the ability to upgrade or to repair or customize a computer to be the most important characteristics of any type of computer.

@WarkWarbly 10 месяцев назад

This is really awesome, actually. I understand the pricing (because how much the company actually buys in bulk vs their warranty and serviceability) but I'm an AMD fanboi. Don't get me wrong, the open source Nvidia drivers are okay, but the ability to play steam games (even at low res, low fps) is just one those things. All in all it's a great choice though! Awesome of them to provide this as an option and also an awesome video! Thank you Linux Experiment and thank you Nova Custom!!!

@893. 8 месяцев назад

AMD is coming back to options, just dellivery is a problem now. Same with Lenovo Z-serie Gen2 is deleted.

@chrisa5786 6 месяцев назад

Thanks! I didn't know about this company, and it's exactly what I was looking for.

@rolandixor 10 месяцев назад

Perfect transition 😂👏🏾

@Burn02 10 месяцев назад

Hello, Could you add some information about the fan noise/thermal gestion? It's really important for me a lot of computer make a lot of noise because of boost of cpu that goes imediatly to more then 70°. For exemple tuxedo pulse is really noisy with no fan Control (so default bios fan setting). Thank's

@13thravenpurple94 10 месяцев назад

Great video Thank you

@PotatoForABrain 10 месяцев назад

I think that was a good ad transition

@Atius 10 месяцев назад

This laptop is insane, I love it!

@cheezyfriez12 10 месяцев назад

It's nice to see a brand new laptop with the option of a disc drive, even if I almost never use mine.

@ordinaryhuman5645 10 месяцев назад

>USB 2... why? Nearly everything USB that I plug into my PC has to use the USB 2.0 ports instead of the 3.0 ports, so that might be why.

@DavidCoutinhoCG 10 месяцев назад

Hey Nick, one question, you constantly pointed that it came with Linux Mint 21 which is a old distro, lets say i bought one without operating system and decided to install a distro myself, does the distro comes with a special configuration by NovaCustom, or do they use clean pure install of a distro without any additional configurations. I am asking this because if i install lets say a distro they dont display on their website, or a newer linux mint distro, will it have incompatibility.

@Ascendance2001 10 месяцев назад

I'm watching this on a Framework 13, I just like your videos 🙃

@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

Nice!

@Linux_ASMR 10 месяцев назад

Finally, a computer that can ship Temple OS out of the box 🙌.

@linuxsbc 10 месяцев назад

Are schematics only provided to owners of the laptop? I can't find them anywhere online. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't provide them-Framework is the only mainstream laptop company that I know of that provides them, and even they only give schematics to repair businesses-but 8:33 says that they do.

@AlexandruVoda 10 месяцев назад

This looks like customized ODM white-label notebooks. Meaning this is very different from Framework who actually designed something new. There is certainly a place for System76, SlimBook, Tuxedo, and these guys but as with all customized and rebranded white-label devices I desire more transparency regarding what the ODM (Clevo, TongFang, etc.) calls the model they start from.

@TheLinuxEXP 10 месяцев назад

You have all that data in the service manuals they give you :)

@AlexandruVoda 10 месяцев назад

@@TheLinuxEXP Awesome

@webflyer035 10 месяцев назад

14:55 *cheap* is the only factor missing from linux laptops compared to windows laptops

@Linux_ASMR 10 месяцев назад

I think that the pricing on Linux laptops is higher because they're more niche products so they can easily charge more since the users are more likely to pay a premium for that

@erikkovacs3097 9 месяцев назад

I really want to see them ship one with TempleOS!

@patpopov 10 месяцев назад

Watching on my Dell Latitude E6430 with a more up to date Mint install on it.

@McRootbeer 10 месяцев назад

Can you make a video on cheaper alternatives for a repairable/upgradable laptop. Something upgradable under $500 would be great. The only option i can seem to find would be to get a used framework.

@timsoft3 10 месяцев назад

it's a shame about the price. its virtually impossible to get a new laptop with dvdrw these days. many have the space, but it's just not populated, or has filler plastic. it's just hard to justify more than double the cost. appriciate the concept though.

@autohmae 10 месяцев назад

Glad to see an other Dutch company.

@niccolo_paganini 10 месяцев назад

4:10 maaan that hidden joke about Temple OS.. I was laughing so hard! Thanks for such a gem! 😂

@AddlerMartin 10 месяцев назад

Louis Rossmann would love that!

@awwastor 10 месяцев назад

btw if you’d like a repairable, though not exactly customisable laptop from someone more mainstream, look at HP’s offering, they offer walkthrough videos and a parts store for most of their models, since quite recently

@cameronbosch1213 10 месяцев назад

HP whitelists only certain Wi-Fi cards in their UEFI. Not great.

@tomv3999 10 месяцев назад

at 7:35 - am I to understand that opening the laptop means the bottom of the screen LIFTS the laptop? It touches the table it is on? That seems rather bizarre.

@miltonpessa4930 10 месяцев назад

9:27 This is a problem I face with Linux Mint. No matter what, Mint's refresh rate tops at 60Hz, I even tried updating the kernel to a more recent version but it stays the same. I run Mint on a 75Hz monitor btw, if anyone knows how to get this sorted, please let me know. And great video, always nice to have brands that are consumer-focused.

@cameronbosch1213 10 месяцев назад

Don't use Cinnamon. It uses crusty old XOrg and Linux Mint uses older kernels. I'd just use pretty much any other DE.

@SteveMacSticky 10 месяцев назад

I still use optical drives

@Lampe2020 10 месяцев назад

Is that laptop good enough for Minecraft Java with 64 chunks viewing distance? Because that's the only game I would need to run on such a thing.

@aeebeecee3737 10 месяцев назад

Coreboot, libreboot, fastboot might be one big reason to consider this

@GeFlixes 10 месяцев назад

I just clicked through their configurator. The SSD and memory upgrades are more than reasonable; going from 4 to 16 GB of RAM costs about 40€, going from 250 GB to 500 GB SSD costs 3€. That sounds like they just charge the costs 1:1 without any "upgrade tax".

@marcosmos7478 4 месяца назад

I’m torn between this laptop or the Starlab System’s Starbook

@msolace580 10 месяцев назад

framework.system 76 are almost perfect laptops for me, just a bit out of my price range right now. would like them to come into the 1500 range not the 2500 range :P

@erinw6120 10 месяцев назад

Still daily-driving a 12 year-old, 17" Vostro running Debian 12. Replaced the battery, upgraded the RAM, put in an SSD to keep it soldering on. Similar to the NovaCustom, it has an SD card slot, but it's a full-size, not micro. As for connectivity, there's two USB 3, two USB 2 (one shared with the eSATA port), HDMI, VGA, gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth, Wireless-N, and an ExpressCard 54 slot. They really hit all the notes that have made me a fan of Dell's business-class laptops over the decades. Thanks for showcasing this! They're definitely on my list for a supplier when I'm looking to upgrade!

@cameronbosch1213 10 месяцев назад

We need more 16 : 10 laptops. The Tuxedo Stellaris 16 unfortunately isn't for me as I can't seem to get an ANSI keyboard layout, even if I pay for it... That is enough of a deal breaker for me unfortunately as ISO layouts are really annoying for me to use... And System76 doesn't have any laptops that meet my standards either... I'm still waiting on the Framework Laptop 16...

@MH_VOID 10 месяцев назад

what's so nice about them?

@cameronbosch1213 10 месяцев назад

@MH_VOID More viewable screen space in often a similar size to existing 16 : 9 laptops but without the chin / bottom bezel. It's much better for productivity and while videos that are 16 : 9 will have black bars at the top and bottom, I'll gladly take that over having unusable screen bezels around them.

@TheFrantic5 10 месяцев назад

"Hi, id like to test your warranty claims, could you please send me a broken laptop?"

@pyroslev Месяц назад

If I didn't have a Framework 13, this would be a VERY compelling choice.

@Ipeacocks 10 месяцев назад

I am sorry but I strongly doubt that these vendors have decent casing quality compared to Dell XPS line (has ubuntu preinstalled), Thinkpad Carbon X1 (same). Of course I didn't check (these models in video) in person, had no opportunity.

@jolynele2587 10 месяцев назад

if only i could buy them easily in southeast asia. i would love a 14 inch option

@StefanWelke 10 месяцев назад

Danke!

@FR4M3Sharma 3 месяца назад

A teardown or atleast a look inside would've been good.

@crp1 10 месяцев назад

they really demand 29 euros for disk encryption...

@vasudevmenon2496 10 месяцев назад

Took a look at them couple of years ago and options are good but the import tax is huge in India at that time

@AbhinavKulshreshtha 10 месяцев назад

Feel your pain.. We Indian miss out on a lot of great things because majority of us are not a market for linux focused products. And importing them means shelling out a chunk of savings.

@vasudevmenon2496 10 месяцев назад

@@AbhinavKulshreshtha we still pay more for soldered hardware which are older model. Only seen 13th gen. 7840u is hardly available

@novacustom 10 месяцев назад

We ship to India, but with a shipping fee. Any taxes and handling fees (including VAT) are always included in the price if you order from us (for orders > 500 EUR).

@vasudevmenon2496 10 месяцев назад

@@novacustom yes i know. The import duty was almost double the MRP of the laptop, so I had to drop it due to budget constraints. Sorry @novacustom.

@Beryesa. 10 месяцев назад

Just wanted to check if they really ship worldwide but got 502 error :p Anyways, customs tax will make it unaffordable anyways :') (their 1650 or local 3060 for the same price 0_0)

@novacustom 10 месяцев назад

Server is very busy thanks to this video. Try again later or tomorrow ;-)

@Its-Just-Zip 10 месяцев назад

So framework does officially support linux. They just dont ship a laptop with linux pre-installed. They have install guides and steps official for Ubuntu, Fedor, and Mint with community guids for a lot of other distros. It may not have been the intent to insinuate that Framework lacked offical support for linux but thats how it came across to me. Frameworks wins hands down on repairability for not just offering schematics and parts but also wiring diagrams where possible (so no internal schematics for IP thats not thiers). I like the option that Nova is providing with pre-configuring coreboot and linux before the laptop arrives. But Framework's screen and aspect ratio along with the modularity and repairability is what swung me over that way.

@walkinmn 10 месяцев назад

Wow awesome company wish it would be more companies like that everywhere they would put Dell out of business... well... at least for the consumer grade stuff

@AllaunSilverfox 10 месяцев назад

Do you know if it could support a eGPU?

@pradeepmalar327 10 месяцев назад

India is just so tax heavy on imports that I'm not surprised they aren't shipping to here

@novacustom 10 месяцев назад

We do ship to India, but with a fee. You can check it during check-out.

@pradeepmalar327 10 месяцев назад

@@novacustom reply from this unexpected side, I see. Plus, I'm impressed you guys are valuing Indian and other smaller countries as important markets, which I really appreciate. Thanks for importing it in India. As long as I can afford them, I'll try to get my hands on your products. I would love the Ryzen version soon from you guys.

@tomaintaround 10 месяцев назад

Framework doesn’t support Portuguese Qwerty. NovaCustom does. Not a hard choice to make

@EricTheGrey 10 месяцев назад

Now that you ask... I currently work an 8-hour day, and the majority of it is spent watching videos. While I can watch RU-vid, I do choose to spend some time with Azure training vids, just to increase my own skillset. The reason is that the department I work in, is being sold off, and at this point, I get no calls, and only a handful of deletion tickets via email per week. Given that, coming to work here would probably not be a good thing. 🤣 I probably have until the end of the month before they let me go. Hopefully, I'll have found a new job by then.