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France BANS Police Drones.. Is that all drones with Cameras? 

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News this week that #France has #banned police from using DJI Mavic 2 Enterprise #drones among others for surveillance, because of no privacy law governing drone use. Yet french cities have CCTV every where! Bizarre, let me know your thoughts in the comments below. Are you worried about police/public order drones in the air?
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@comcastjohn
@comcastjohn 4 года назад
I do not get how you can have an expectation of privacy in public. How can your privacy be violated in a public or an open area?
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Solid Question
@miyahollands6136
@miyahollands6136 4 года назад
If you really want to spy on someone, you'll be better checking someone Facebook page, instead of a drone - that's all made public information by the user!
@brianq103
@brianq103 4 года назад
and the same people who complain about privacy from drones will post the very same activity they don't want viewed online themselves.
@typxxilps
@typxxilps 4 года назад
This is about agencies using tools the agency could not fully control. If they can they must be able to prove and answer questions they can not answer due to dji's insufficient compliance. CCTV is a complete different story cause it does not need chinese servers to record and the agency can control the full traffic. If not they will end in the same direction if they use dji's technique of chinese servers.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
So true Ray.. a quick search you can do is to see who has requested you FB info as well..
@PhantomandtheDrone
@PhantomandtheDrone 4 года назад
So true, it's incredible what people actually put online themselves! Then you couple that to Google earth/street and you know where they live. Then you look at zoopla and you know how much their house cost, then you check the land register to see how many people live there. Its bloody ridiculous that people are so pent up on drones!
@richardpowellTV
@richardpowellTV 4 года назад
I agree with you! If they're putting a ban on using Police drones for surveillance then like you said, what about CCTV? If they ban one then surely they should ban both because CCTV is doing the same thing that drones do, watching people!!! What's the difference?
@Steve264511
@Steve264511 4 года назад
Already the case. You have a road traffic collision in France and you've had a dashcam running which proves you were totally not at fault. Tough - you aren't allowed to have the dashcam in the first place, and any evidence is not admissible.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
that is bonkers...
@lewisthomas473
@lewisthomas473 4 года назад
Ikopta Here is a question for everyone to ask about privacy with Street cctv .camera’s. mobile phone camera’s .camera’s in general They are everywhere. Why is there a privacy law to begin with Drones are normally used in scenic Scenes and not to see who is Out and about ?
@typxxilps
@typxxilps 4 года назад
no, you did not understand the core of the question: we have laws all have to obeye And an agency that is not sure and can not talk about every question where and when what is stored where and in which country has to stop using this tool. Pretty simple legislation .... for mainland europeans.
@riderramblings
@riderramblings 4 года назад
French privacy laws are quite strict and rigorously enforced by the courts. For example, you are not allowed to fly any drone in a built up area or within 500 metres of a building without special permission. *_Drones may not be flown over people;_*_ over airports or airfields; over private property (unless with owner’s authorization); over military installations, prisons, nuclear power plants, historical monuments, or national parks._ There is a map at Géoportail on the French government website shows flying zones...
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Cheers 🍻 for the share
@programmingfortheweb
@programmingfortheweb 4 года назад
@@IkoptaUk I was going to post the link to the French government's site but some channels don't allow it. I can add it to the original comment if you wish.
@elvisbest3213
@elvisbest3213 4 года назад
They should be able to use them to help out with this virus we have and not putting themselves at risk thats crazy
@jasong9695
@jasong9695 4 года назад
What virus ? The one they are labeling ever other death as coronavirus to inflate the numbers and install fear? With news clips saying they are counting every death as covid? And now suddenly season flu deaths are now the lowest in recorded history ? Maybe you've not looked at the CDC statistics and compared the last 15 years and not noticed the bullshit ?
@ExpeditionTech
@ExpeditionTech 4 года назад
If we can't use them, then they shouldn't either. :)
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Have a point.. which shows how absurd our rules are.. zero deaths.. zero planes downed..
@Macros1971
@Macros1971 4 года назад
I agree with your argument regarding the use of drones to enforce laws in public view. If something was captured in a place which were privately protected, the we would allow the courts to determine that and then if they determine a right to privacy, then the pilot is disciplined and the evidence surrendered to the victim.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Tricky one.. If something is seen, can it be legally unseen? But then, can you remember what was front page news 3 days ago? I can't...
@Macros1971
@Macros1971 4 года назад
@@IkoptaUk I'd have to agree with you there Dylan!
@weldtight
@weldtight 4 года назад
I agree with your question, and don't get why we would not use a helpful tool..
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
If its the right tool for the moment, then why not?
@Icantdrive55
@Icantdrive55 4 года назад
I agree with you. That judge had no business ruling that way. Just shows how poorly decisions are made when they don’t understand the technology. Obviously they have never seen drone footage. Most of the time there is no way to identify a person from that distance and the wide angle lens that most drones use.
@equigs
@equigs 4 года назад
It's called a right to privacy. It's the law. If you want to give it up, fair enough, but as long as the right is enshrined in law then the judge made the right call.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Is there privacy in France?.. Nice is has the most CCTV coverage in Europe, all societies , secret or otherwise have to be registered..🤔
@nuclearmotivations7762
@nuclearmotivations7762 4 года назад
In Mexico, Helicopters fly ablout 70 mtr over the area with speakers. They broadcast warnings of too much activity.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
wow thats a statement.. Safe with a drone, but I guess a helicopter is more imposing .😳
@lifestyleunleashed8046
@lifestyleunleashed8046 4 года назад
This is ridiculous. Safer for everyone involved to use the drones
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
You'd think
@dubaigeek1988
@dubaigeek1988 4 года назад
Thanks for the update
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
You bet
@thelaptoptribe5800
@thelaptoptribe5800 4 года назад
Unfortunately things are getting tight for the drone community
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Maybe thats what they want..
@reynolds81
@reynolds81 4 года назад
Let's turn the tables on this one, if a member of the public was using a drone to film the police to ensure they are doing their jobs correctly do you think that would be allowed?
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Is that not what journalism should be doing..? I think here, in a pandemic where for their own safety, they need to get a message across.. why not?
@TheSackese
@TheSackese 4 года назад
Don't ban tools, ban stupid lawyers, judges and politicians!
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
I guess easy target..
@lynsmith1096
@lynsmith1096 4 года назад
I don't know what to make of this situation in France. It's a bit crazy.
@Northstar-Media
@Northstar-Media 4 года назад
Could you give me some advice on a bridge camera that I am thinking of buying Canon S40 HS advertised at £150 second hand but like new just had a look seems a little over priced ? Or there is Sony cybershot DSC -H300 that's only £60 . Could you recommend one or equivalent around £!50
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Not a bad camera..really depends on what you want it for? For a point and shoot.. these days hard not to advise to save your money & stick to a camera phone.. results can be better. If you want DSLR is going to be £500+
@Northstar-Media
@Northstar-Media 4 года назад
@@IkoptaUk A few people have said might that. I just need a better zoom & lens. Thanks.
@dolwolfianphotography
@dolwolfianphotography 4 года назад
I'm sick about all this privacy think and not only about drone it become mad!
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Defo.. I think.
@DonJoyce
@DonJoyce 4 года назад
Yeah...makes no sense.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Baffled
@martingeordie
@martingeordie 4 года назад
Someone on a rooftop with a half decent telephoto lens would get better video or photos than a drone could, so why aren't telephoto lenses banded for the same reason.
@equigs
@equigs 4 года назад
I can't see any telephoto lens capable of zooming in on a gnat's arse 3 Mike's away. Maybe I'm wrong.
@equigs
@equigs 4 года назад
Miles not Mike's 😂
@martingeordie
@martingeordie 4 года назад
the photographer can always move to a closer location or have a more powerful zoom lens and he would be much quieter.
@trieditusedit5846
@trieditusedit5846 4 года назад
The judge probably has a party arranged with his cronies and he’s worried they spot him.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Just an example how law can never keep up with the real world...
@allistair61
@allistair61 4 года назад
If you think this is bad, I am currently a student of computer science in London. However before this I worked for a short time and security including CCTV. On my way to work I was playing with my mobile phone when this woman whose tinfoil hat was not immediately visible starts trying to claim that my phone can be hacked by the government to spy on her. At this point we were on a moving train between two underground stations in central London, no cellular service, no Wi-Fi service, decent enough VPN, CCTV on every platform. Every person who is in counted people like this will Know simple logic could not penetrate that level of stupid!
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
So much info we give away... no point looking for it..
@EdenValleyAdventuresUK
@EdenValleyAdventuresUK 4 года назад
There's no privacy any more unless you are sitting on the bog.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Not been in my house then...😣 #noonerespectsacloseddoor
@OzzySafa
@OzzySafa 4 года назад
But what about CCTV surely they have cameras everywhere. you just mentioned it after I commented but there must be another reason besides privacy..to me it sounds like because you can’t speak through a cctv it is seen more as a nuisance.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
I think is the fear of the unknown.. People perception..
@BionicRusty
@BionicRusty 4 года назад
Those with any issue should not use smart phones as they can infringe the same rights. So will France ban these too? 🤔 And what about helicopters? So France don’t have any? If they do all they’ve done is given all criminals caught by them, a loophole citing civil liberty infringement! This is a case of France shooting itself in the foot. I am proud of my local police force’s drone unit.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Such an effective tool, saves money, safer to use. just law out of steep with the world today.
@djfs69
@djfs69 4 года назад
Next they’ll have to walk around with their eyes closed
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
And one hand tied behind their backs..
@Boss-Possum
@Boss-Possum 4 года назад
What about the camera on your mobile phone or a red light camera? Doesnt make a lot of sense to me.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Just people making a point..
@dotexe55games31
@dotexe55games31 4 года назад
Can we get some good news.... .
@paradanglers
@paradanglers 4 года назад
doubt it :(
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Harsh
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Sun shining...
@Northstar-Media
@Northstar-Media 4 года назад
This whole drone spying thing is stupid. Like you say we have CCTV cameras & phones sending out details. Drones are a great tool for emergency services .
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Yep.. needs some common sense
@simp99bird
@simp99bird 4 года назад
I think the judge has been forced to make this ruling because of the strict laws France has concerning photography in public places. Although people do it all the time, you are not allowed to take a photograph in public if there is an identifiable person in the view who has not consented to being photographed.
@equigs
@equigs 4 года назад
Same here in Ireland. We use release forms in street photography. It makes sense.
@kevinneighbors8105
@kevinneighbors8105 4 года назад
Well said...you're right my cellphone is scary, how it is able to let you know where you have been
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
And pretty much everyones got one..
@malp6280
@malp6280 4 года назад
would that not also effect the police helicopter units as they've camera units fitted "very powerful camera units at that" these like our police happily fly over our roof tops clearly within sight of our gardens & house windows etc (several camera systems can see into the window if curtains are open) adding to that our own police force have had numerous members of the police aerial units found guilty of perving through house/apartment windows.. so if drones have been banned in france hmm
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Confusing..
@sergecalmettes2712
@sergecalmettes2712 4 года назад
Well said as always! Cheers from Canada
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Hey, thanks!
@LennyKay
@LennyKay 4 года назад
Wow! Nice work my friend 😎👍 Keep it up and stay safe 😷🤟🏻 Fly safe
@pixusphotographic
@pixusphotographic 4 года назад
Too many rules made by too many people who don't have a scooby doo
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Smart words..
@DavidOwensuk
@DavidOwensuk 4 года назад
Great video - you are a very funny man! Please keep these videos coming!
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
That was my serious face...😳
@tonyhampson5013
@tonyhampson5013 4 года назад
They are French - what do you expect?
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Thought they were part of the EU.. 🙄
@tonyhampson5013
@tonyhampson5013 4 года назад
Only when they want to be.
@steventrueman3493
@steventrueman3493 4 года назад
According to RT news its only paris that have banned them, but that just smacks of a rusty cobweb covered old judge not having a balanced fact based argument. Anyway, watching the vid im referring to, at 1 min 15 seconds, i saw something really interesting, now i know they were using a mavic 2 enterprise but the shot of one officer with the remote and crystalsky with what looked like a dji attachment bracket, now i tried getting one but all thats available is for the original mavic which doesn't fit, can anyone tell me if there is one quick release bracket for mavic 2 and crystalsky monitor anywhere in the world as there's nothing in UK sorry about the rant🤪
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Steven, I think it would most likely be the quick release bracket for mavic controls from polarpro amzn.to/2M8ELuB
@Droneaddiction
@Droneaddiction 4 года назад
🤣🤣🤣 France! They love a good protest and argument about anything.
@equigs
@equigs 4 года назад
It's called, growing a pair. At least they're not 🐑🐑🐑🐑
@dc69077
@dc69077 4 года назад
And a good retreat. 🤪
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
You know that all groups/associations in France have to registered?
@Droneaddiction
@Droneaddiction 4 года назад
Ikopta it’s a good way to get a yearly fee from you and stick your name in a database.
@thevideoark
@thevideoark 4 года назад
Photography from a public place of people in a public place. Street photographers beware. And as for you tourists - well ...
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
What the difference? Street photography, journalists.. or police with drones?
@FredOzeee
@FredOzeee 4 года назад
Hi ikopta... you're wondering "why" ? Cause my country (France) is just governed by a bunch of useless politics and cause now the police cannot do anything against asholes with the threat of being taken to court by the assholes themselves. My brother is a police officer and he's telling me that now they're asked to "close eyes" to certains things happening in few areas... it s a shame... criminals are now more protected by the law than the police itself... I hope you ll understand what i mean. Fred from France.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Tough to hear Fred.. The same people then wonder why the police don't turn up when they need them.. Can't have it both ways..🤷‍♂️
@FredOzeee
@FredOzeee 4 года назад
@@IkoptaUk i think France is just schyzophrenic sometimes !!! Thanks for your answer by the way.
@klopossa2
@klopossa2 4 года назад
They should be aloud.. sp.. to announce patrols using the drones. But I agree no eye in the sky footage popping up in court saying ..yep this is you. Our loyal and ever honest patrolman did a visual on you as well. Oh no, hes not required to inform you.. We'd never get any revnue that way. But again to announce patrols and give people a heads up that pigs are afoot. Should be allowed..And no lasers...
@Samrushtonblight
@Samrushtonblight 4 года назад
Dronophobia at its worst.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Yep..
@SEPK09
@SEPK09 4 года назад
Chateauneuf du Pape!
@raz2443
@raz2443 4 года назад
Drones as you say are the perfect way to see, address and help the virus situation.
@QuietJugung
@QuietJugung 4 года назад
Privacy extremist.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Not the only place.. but then they are pap crazy..
@PhantomandtheDrone
@PhantomandtheDrone 4 года назад
It's odd, maybe they will ban Instagram and Facebook next?
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Some countries do....😳
@wesleyreid4420
@wesleyreid4420 4 года назад
It's crazy but soon those drone will all be legacy drones so the police couldn't fly them anymore, Or will the police break the drone rules when that comes into force?? The judge is a crazy fool and these makes no sense. My own Dad was anti-drone untill I showed him some footage. Now he thinks they are amazing and what they can do. He was one of the people who thought you could spy on people with them 😂 abit hard when you are 100 feet plus. God bless him he is 71 but update with most technology but not drone's.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Its all perception. The amount of people that complain, have never flown or seen footage..
@tommacbride3654
@tommacbride3654 4 года назад
More BS, I thought th US had the market on that, where you take the good stuff an turn it into bad stuff. It just makes to much sense to get that nice overall view so you can see what is really going on an send help to that spot. Herding cats no easy. Stay well! Cheers!
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
😂 Seems the USA sometimes just takes an idea and makes it theirs.. as we all do...
@innerlocus
@innerlocus 4 года назад
Good. Only allow cameras when they are publicly accessible in police environments so we can see how kind the police are to the public when there are arrests and in the holding of people.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
May be then it should be law that an arrest is only legal with verified camera footage
@get_outdoors
@get_outdoors 4 года назад
Maybe they thought if it was ok for Derbyshire Police to hunt down dog walkers in the Peak District, it’s ok for them 😂😂
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Got to watch out for those dog walkers
@chrissofpv3017
@chrissofpv3017 4 года назад
Need to ban cameras of any sort. Bit like Ray Bradbury,s "Fahrenheit 451"....banning of books.🤔🤗🤣
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Great film..😣 it involves camera
@chrissofpv3017
@chrissofpv3017 4 года назад
@@IkoptaUk ..Oh yes,.. that's true,haha. Shot myself in the foot🤣
@equigs
@equigs 4 года назад
For once, I don't agree with you.
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Which bit..?
@independentdronechannel170
@independentdronechannel170 4 года назад
:)
@BackassWordsWeirdworld
@BackassWordsWeirdworld 4 года назад
Never thought I'd be entertaining this idea, but I may have to move from the US to France to enjoy my constitutional rights... Pure tyranny on it's way here...
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Strange world.. odd thinking at the moment.
@BackassWordsWeirdworld
@BackassWordsWeirdworld 4 года назад
@@IkoptaUk I apologize for my rude comment. I get moody about this stuff.
@davekelly8168
@davekelly8168 4 года назад
Excellent news for civil liberties, but maybe there is a twist to all this???
@IkoptaUk
@IkoptaUk 4 года назад
Theres always a kicker..
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