Frank Herbert speaking at UCLA 4/17/1985 

i just started listening to it, and i noticed that some parts of it are cut off or skips in mid sentence? is that recording damaged?

It has been censored

@@timsim83 copyright reasons ?

@@timsim83 Doubt it, more likely someone has made an edit of the original recording and accidentally saved a new digital version with all the excerpts they used missing. Or this is a copy of a tape that was previously plundered for excerpts. Maybe been archived without being checked properly... Shame, whatever happened!

Whomever edited this lecture is afraid of the sparks it may ignite in minds of the listener. Its a sad day when higher educational institutions proactively censor thought.

Are you fucking high????

Listening to this in Sep. 2020 is downright surreal.

@@cheddar2648 Culture carries truths and Truth transcend time.

100% oppression in any form it takes looks the same to those oppressed

@@trissloan2340 It has been a year, do you still have the same feeling regarding that Frank Herbert quote and if so why do you think he's wrong?

Bi-lal kaifa.

Absolutely. It has to be done.

Doing it now

I love how everyone says "read the book" without mentioning that it is a series. The first book's meaning is completely different in the context of the other books. I'd wager that most people that read Dune aren't aware of this.

@@poposterous236 It is not clear to me if your message is informative, with the aim of contributing something useful to people who are entering the saga and may or may not know the context of each book within the set, or given your use of words, a mental masturbation to emphasize your knowledge or the absence of it in other people. Either way, I am sending you a squad of Fish Speakers to advise you on matters of productive communication with other human beings.

Thank you for sharing that experience. I have never heard him speak before, but he seems like a very intelligent and likeable person. I am looking so much forward to watching the new film adaptation of 'Dune' this year and hope it will do some justice to his series. But what I find most fascinating here, is that he sound just like a well educated person from 2020 speaking. Either I have grown up, or things somehow haven't changed all that much. When Herbert say's Nixon, I think Trump.

@@riverstones972 Thanks. He was very intelligent and forward thinking. When you met him he made you feel like it was very important to him, and nobody else mattered, even if it was for only a few minutes.

@TheBrabon1 I think it may be because it was close to Easter, and people had gone home. People did not go to hear a lot of the talks, unless it was someone like Johnny Carson.

@@sierranevadatrail thank you for sharing. I'm 34 and was born in 86. I was introduced to herbert by my father. He has been a literary hero of mine and have taken so much from his writings over the years. I know if I was at UCLA I would have stayed behind. I would have loved to hear him speak

@@RevelationNone Thanks. It was interesting because in only a few minutes, he could make you feel like he was a friend of yours. He had a high energy, which is nice considering he was dying and supposedly in a lot of pain, and he never complained. I just wish there was a visual of this as well, but I suppose there might be copyright reasons or something else that prevented them from doing so. It is actually nice of them to post it.

indeed look how many senators have progeny in political positions--as well as a certain president who used nepotism in the worst way

@@vendora1 Bush right?

@@0sm1um76 indeed as well as trump they been doin that for along while back to jefferson days

Same happen everywhere.

@@hamuArt North Korea was supposed to be the cautionary tale, not the plan...

Thank you. 🙏

Thanks. 28:10 How Herbert pronounces "Bene Gesserit". I guess I was saying it right all along :P When you realize they are based on Jesuits you know how to pronounce it.

+TheIceSpark that was the most irritating part, however i'm sure he was speaking about leto II.

I notice the cuts are in places where he criticize developed countries history. 41:00 for example comparing Indians wiping out sustenance without knowing the danger of preservation or extinction just the way ....... then it cuts.

Bellonda is at it again!

why cut the fact that he likes that you cannot predict everything?

@@martok666 probably censorship

I've thought that several times. I liken it to the "DnD is evil" craze back in the 80s.

Yeah, but isn't everyone potentially corruptible, given the right (or wrong) set of circumstances & conditions?

@@pheidipp Everyone? Maybe. But different people are corruptible to different extents. For example I would never wish to be president or prime minister. My main pursuit, and what attracts me the most is freedom, not power. Yes the two can at times be the same, and I’m not naïve enough to say I’m incorruptible, far from it, but I know people who are certainly more corruptible than me, and some who are less, so if there are only a limited number of positions of power they’re generally going to be filled by those who desire it the most, and that desire will make them corruptible as they won’t wish to lose that power. I have and had the intelligence to earn a huge wage from leaving university, but it held no appeal for me (no, I’m far from wealthy and never have been), however I had yet to realise that among many things money can buy freedom (I’m only intelligent in certain areas!). But power, and certainly power over others doesn’t interest me at all. As an example.

@@BlueGrenadeTom Yeah, I would say potentially corruptible, given the circumstances. It doesn't mean that the person is villainous or Machiavellian. For inst, their daughter is ill, and they need more money, so they sell favours/positions. Any relative or friend could get into trouble. We have this wide net of relationships. You'll appreciate how difficult is is for any of us to attain uncoerced freedom, without any degree of obligation.

Dr Who (?) once said, "Great men don't need rules, and now is not the time to ask me why i have so many."

ahahahhaha

No..its missing the number 9.

36 years later, Fernando is still getting used to its postfix arithmetic.

3:30

So we don't have to hear that annoying coed: "The UCLA Student Association of the Association of Associations is proud to present an even in our speaker's bureau registrar of events, which in the future will include Tom Wolfe, author of The Electric Koolaid Acid Test, but this week our speaker is an author known for..." blah blah blah.

@@angusorvid8840 yup

Thank you

What kind of game are you playing Davis?

donnie davis. Holy fuck!! How can they cut out what he was going to say!!!! That was so incredibly infuriating to almost get a glimpse into his mind only for some jerk to cut it!!!

@@MrCountrycuz what's that supposed to mean?

@@Adrian19032 He's just joking around with you.

He’s just building up to making his point and it jumps forwards! So infuriating, especially with such an interesting thinker.

I thought that too. :)

The problem I he is saying it like it's supposed to be funny, he waits for the laugh, his timing is off...

In this way he reminds me of Alan Watts sometimes.

His audience even in 1985 was not very quick.

its almost like people used to think.

Tough crowd, but maybe some of what he says went over their heads? Haven't heard something so intelligent in a while.

Lol mori calliope? Thats the last thing i EXPECTED to see talked about here. hahah leanne sharp where in the clip is that?

About what?

Yes I heard the tapes today... Awful stuff. Jones' voice reminded me of what I thought Vladimir Harkonnen would have sounded like...

@@cybersanta1413 This is just from memory so forgive me if I confuse this with Waco, but Jim Jones headed up a cult and I believe they called where they lived "Jonestown" and long story short it ended in a mass suicide where they all drank poison - I think it may have been that one (it was certainly some cult mass suicide) where the poison was in Kool-Aid, which is where the phrase, "Don’t drink the Kool-Aid" comes from - don’t fall for it - don’t start believing the same thing as x group of people.

Yes, it's like a glimpse in another world. A world of the past, now gone and mostly forgotten. "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain".

I understand how he treated his son wasn't good, but what was the guy going on about? The only blatantly homosexual character who's evil is the baron and that's more because he's a rapist, murderous pedophile, not because he's gay

Wow! Very lucky. So glad it was recorded ❤

Henny Zhi welcome to American College

i agree.

Tbh I’m amazed they didn’t burn this tape, though chopping it up like this is almost as bad.

IT'S 1985 fuck head magnet reel tape or cassettes NOT DIRECT DIGITAL & no video, that shit was prona

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…so I’m curious…what is the first best group of books?

@@jessebeaty7768 Ayn Rand's novels, essays and other writings

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Sadly I think it’s a case of we get what we deserve. If society wasn’t so litigious (obviously encouraged by lawyers and such) then companies, organisations, any individual or entity wouldn’t be so afraid of legal action against them, wouldn’t feel the need to put up such disclaimers, and we’d probably have a much more free and frank exchange of ideas and may have progressed more, and more positively, as a society. Now the judicial system doesn’t even have to be a part of it with the insidious and rabid rise of cancel culture: there’s counterproductively a rapidly diminishing amount of space for debate - everyone wants to shut everyone else down and is unwilling to listen to any viewpoints that are not their own (especially at a university - that’s one of the main reasons to go to university, to have your ideas and notions challenged and maybe changed for better ones - they have "safe spaces" for god’s sake!!! It’s insane!!) and will only lead to greater ignorance and divisions within society. I doubt the litigious side of things will ever change - there’s money to be made their - but I hope this pathetic, intolerant whiny cancel culture will eventually stop. Sadly there’ll probably be such a backlash against it that much of the good work done prior to this extremism may be undone with it. But yeah - a sad day all over.

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“Damaged”

Lol!

Yes! Later in the book God Emperor he also writes that gay is completely normal... and nothing bad

@@jopeDE . That may have been his way of clarifying any misunderstanding the gay community may have had concerning Vladimir.

True, it was so incidental that it never even crossed my mind, in fact until I reread the book I didn’t even remember it.

@@jopeDE . Yep. He was asked to do that by a gentleman in a college talk question and answer time. We'll never know if that had any influence on it, but it's there in the god emperor of Dune and I'm so glad it is. And the girls were doing it in public. Duncan Idaho was Furious. The emperor Corrected his conditioned prejudice. And if they never grew out of it, that was fine. The fish speakers.

I believe you're right. And in doing so, he wrote the science and the truth that he could see with his philosophy. In my opinion, he freaking nailed it in a short conversation between the emperor Leto II and Duncan Idaho. He cut phrases, sentences and paragraphs light Jewels.

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@@rgelling thank you.

I think it's obvious that he talks about Leto emperor.

Leto II - may his passing cleanse the world.

Yesss exactly! I read this passage today!

Yeah that question was more of a vent than anything academic. The Baron Harkonnen is not evil because he is homosexual. He abuses everything and everyone to further his goals. Gender, age, position none of those facets of a person warrant any sympathies in the Baron's eyes. The 80s movie visually emphasized the homosexual undertones. The 2000s mini-series kept it very much an in the background element. Edit: In the 2021 movie the Baron's sexuality is completely removed.

It really couples itself nicely with his view on corruption in power. The corruptible become overwhelmed by the desire for power. What is corruptible? Humanity is susceptible to corruption and magnification of their own ends. To question JFK or Richard Nixon is pretty wise because donkey or elephant should either be relegated to the stable or a zoo depending on where you need to go to view them.

He also in the same book had the near omniscient God Emperor call homosexuals “mentally ill” and being mentally-like children most likely due to trauma and said homosexuality at least has one benefit and that is that there violent tendencies (equating violence with homosexuality) can be repurposed for causing violence for militaristic purposes. In that Duncan and Moneo scene you are suppose to feel sorry for Duncan due to him being lost in time. He wasn’t defending homosexuality. And further, Frank Herbert disowned his own son (Bruce Herbert) because he was a homosexual and a gay rights activist. Whether you like it or not Frank Herbert was a raging homophobe. He also has a Freudian slip in this video where he responds to the gay questioner by shouting at him “homosexuals have chosen not to continue the human species.” His homophobia derived from his philosophical natalism and psychoanalysis.

@@jimmyfaulkner1855I’m glad I saw this comment. I love the dune books but it’s important to accept that Frank Herbert was not perfect. And I find it fairly ironic how many of his readers seem to miss the point of his novels and do not question or even defend Herbert’s flawed or sometimes backwards beliefs.

God Emperor is absolutely amazing. That and the first book are tied as my favorites, they are both so enriching

Great men stand on the shoulders of Giants

It is illogical to expect illogical humans to know they're illogical

@@fritobelize6271 Illogically so.

Wynn Helm - I think you may mean psychopathic rather than psychotic (or not!) they’re quite different things that movies and such have freely used interchangeably. A bit like the misuse of schizophrenic with people thinking it means multiple personalities. There could be an argument for saying Vlad may have psychotic tendencies, but he’s too manipulative for that really.

@@BlueGrenadeTom While I know the difference, that's an excellent thing to point out. While the Baron is cruel and remorseless; I wouldn't describe him as anti-social. Amoral in the extreme- pathologically drawn to acts of excess violence even. Rather than being someone who simply lacks empathy, and remorse- I think he just doesn't care- so long as he can preserve his delusions about his inherent nobility from inheriting an ancient, honored name; and his belief in his ability to plan wars; even though his victories inevitably come from excessively burying his opponent under his superior numbers and munitions.

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happens when I get nervous speaking. coulda been the same thing with him (and water doesn't really help)

It was his intestinal cancer making him cough, not lack of water, most likely.

His water belongs to the tribe.

@@soridosuneku - yeah, a good tip I learned was to swallow instead of cough. It may not be quite as effective but it’s much less audible so people don’t notice it - and whatever connotations it may carry - as much.

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