Frank Turek vs Christopher Hitchens 12 

@Scot .harvath If there is an omniscient god who wants me to believe it exists, why does it send the likes of Turek to put me off? I've not seen the whole debate, but from what I've seen, he hasn't landed a single point. In fact I've never seen that happen.

He’s not resting in peace 😂😂

@@jillcollins8424 No he's dead. Something we all have to try once but seldom twice. A bit like pot noodles.

@Scot .harvath Can't say he was even close.

Articulate, clever and brain dead. I watched his video the other night and he was handed his ass on a silver platter. He could not answer a straight forward simple question.

Tristinfate so true. Thankful for it. I would nevertheless have known otherwise. And it makes sense. His points are solid.

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That's exactly what I was hearing as well.

Hitchens could not back up aa car rolling backward down a hill. He cannot explain why atheists back abortion then call God a murderer for killing idolators and child murderers in Genisis.

@@gennymikel4296 ...atheists don't call god a murderer because they don't believe in god...

@@flowerlandfilms I have seen more comments than I can count where atheists refer to God as a "murderer, sadist, butcher." Funny thing i none of you comprehend what the stories were talking about, which was the violence and murder of the human beings of those times which history documents. It makes no difference if you "believe" or not. You certainly are concerned about something when you push for laws banning people from praying to a God you dont believe in. I'm sorry, I forgot about evolution, the blind, unintelligent force which randomly and accidentally evolved living creatures and reasoned the trillions of changes out with no intelligence or reasoning. so easy to believe in, that is.

If there was a God there would be no such thing as an athiest

@@Ro-Ghost Agreed, but anti-theism would shoot up and rightfully so

@@Ro-Ghost Why? God gives you a choice. You are either for Him or against Him.

@@johnbarron1707 same can be said about the Easter bunny

@@Ro-Ghost Sad reply

Wow a comment from 13 years ago. I would say he knew the other chap would not yield his closing statement

Well just look at the middle East and how they are doing in their scientific explorations

Your statement is completely moronic!!!!

obviously joking, and yes - look at the most religious regions of the world and see how much better they're doing ha ha ha

That was tried once, it was called the dark ages.

@Gods Servant Prove it.

Created by an even more amazing omnipresent being.

If Hitchens talks reality, we are screwed.

@James Gray absolutely. Therefore, they must necessarily transcend whatever little stories we've told about who God is, such as Christianity

@@gennymikel4296 hitches isn’t the one worshipping fuhrer that’s turek you seem confused

Turek is clearly just an asshole. Like you said, he simply raises his voice when challenged and its obvious that his interpersonal skills are very lacking.

Everyone is different, same as your comments varies in various degree of intelligence

He is still doing it, a decade later

@Idyllic ツ there is no gOD

@@conradical41 There is a GOD tho.

Thank you, truly, for being open minded. I'm so worn of hearing an intellectual argument getting boiled down by people of faith to simple ignorant hate and judgement. It flies in direct contrast to what I know of the Christian faith. Thank you, sir.

Surely you're to open minded to be a pastor?

The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth pastor. Just because someone entertains you, makes you smile, and keeps you interested does not mean your not headed straight into a wall. All of those elements you praised Hitchens for, are obvious distractions created by the devil, to blind "open minded" people like you into thinking blasphemy is present here but not there. An atheist like Hitchens was always commiting blasphemy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that you are probably complacent of withcraft (if its white magic), pagan religions (if they include love), and anything else that explores a universal (all roads lead to heaven) motto. It is very clear your quasi-christian version of God borders on the satanic. You posted your comment just to score points with people that clearly choose not to believe in Jesus Christ and that is dissapointing. I would rather please God by being honest regardless of who I offend than to keep my faith hidden because I have not enough spiritual backbone to defend Jesus Christ and his Kingdom. If you want a fulltime God, you have to be a fulltime believer. Straddling the fence impresses no one. Jesus is coming soon, be ready, no time for games Pastor ...

Well, sir, I hope you've considered alternative employment in the subsequent 4 years since your comment.

Mybe becaused he was called out,these Christians always get pissed off when they are punked into a corner 😠.

After a while dealing with self important arrogant idiots will do it to you.

17 Even so every good tree bringeth :forth good fruit; but a corrupt :tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Anger always destroys the vessel that carries it

What's funny is when atheists show any anger or frustration, christians love to pull the "hate in your heart" card. Pathetic.

@平和Christ Lives take your Bible and go wipe your ass with it, then it would actually be useful.

@平和Christ Lives I've been a volunteer at the homeless shelter for over 10 years. I'm a very charitable person, I just don't need a hateful false book to tell me to do it. I don't derive my morals from a patently false bronze age religion, thanks though.

Hitchens..game , set, match! He is like a cat playing with a mouse. He is a Mozart with words and logic. Damn I miss his skill bringing sunlight to combat the world of darkness of the believers of witches and demons and supposed magical beings.

Guess we see our favorite, always winning

Turek: I give you the two sides atheist and theist to proof God exist Christopher: I have a great accent to make me look smart

yeah Hitchens is very childish in his intellectual limitations

Absolutely astounding!! Although it could have been universe farting fairies....

No it dosent. It just proves that the Universe had a beginning and that the universe is expanding infinitely. Space time and the universe had beginning according to Einstein Theory of relativity. With that said, in order for the universe to be such finally tuned and balance, its determined that nature itself could not be random. The second law of thermodynamics just support the idea that universe was designed and that it had a beginning

I paused the video at that time to check the comments, ridiculous. These religious nuts just make up things as they go by.

Because anything that has a beginning must have a cause, and things which have a complexity of information which is superior, but supports that which comes after it must have a designer. The designer need not have a cause if it never had a beginning. That which is outside of the omniverse, which exists in eternity, having no beginning or end, does not need a creator.

Prior to the big bang matter was so dense that time didn't exist. Also, the way that we perceive time is very limited as we know that other dimensions exist. Time isn't lineal we just perceive it that way. Einstein's theory of relativity recognizes that the speed at which time passes is relative to the speed mass and energy of the vessel. The universe could have existed in the pre-big bang state for a timeless eternity or for just a moment, we don't know. The cosmic microwave background is the only evidence left and it is dissipating as the universe continues to expand.

We live a few years, earn money, get sick, fight, tired, depressed then we die and that's it... Some existence

@@olivertyndale8769 you must live a very sad life if that is how you view life?

You are going to have to explain this. My understanding is that Turek is saying in order for the 2nd law to start you need something to start it. To have entropy you need to have a creator for the energy. What is the contradiction? Genuinely interested.

@@joshdrichardson1 order of the universe yet the universe is constantly becoming chaotic.

or, if hes sure theres a heaven why not commit all the crimes one wants to then just repent afterwords and your fine!

Heaven or hell, existing or not, has nothing to do w / people committing any crimes they want ... it has to do w / personal morality ; w / personal standards of right vs wrong. People make personal choices based on their character & personality. They're not thinking about Heaven or Hell.

@@cliffgaither personal morality literally Any sin is forgivable except not believing in a fairytale

@@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50 By "fairytale", do you mean believing in Heaven or Hell or Jesus ? AND where does it read in the Bible, that Jesus had intimate relations w / his Disciples 😄.

@@cliffgaither by fairytale I mean the Bible and god. And buddy my usernames a joke

Shut up crackhead

@@jillcollins8424 speak to yourself

It’s called faith and understanding when you read the word the hilt spirit opens up your Eyes. Or course it would sound strange to someone who denies and doesn’t spend time with God at all

@Jerome The supreme irony of this situation is that every single time we have to hear about what god wants or doesn't want, it's always some guy that's doing all the talking. Mind the size of the universe, wisdom that surpasses all ages - and it relies on these stupid, quarrelsome hairless apes to speak on its behalf.

An all capable God that can't show up and speak for himself , how convenient for snake oil theists.

@@phantomwalker8251 Oh yes, I have said that many times, but not using the same words of course. Good work.

@@phantomwalker8251 Time is one Hell of a tricky problem for theology, especially for the "deep thinkers". They want to believe that the god of Israel created everything, including time. They also want to believe that the god of Israel has existed for ever (before he created time !). In the back of their little minds, they suspect those two ideas do not sit well together.

@@tedgrant2 religion is a business.TAX FREE. id ban religion,take all there money,valuables,& re distribute it to all the dumb sheep they sucked in.

@@tedgrant2 free speech is illegal,funny,no one told me..

Most actionable point of the debate. ;-)

But don't forget to keep the food intake up too ;)

That's an aperitif. The rest comes later.

@VNV Girl yes indeed Girl, it is the breakfast of champions, accept no substitute. I’ve been drinking Christopher Hitchens cocktails for decades and I’m still DAF 😂

Soundmman Oh really is that why Hitchens can't even look at him in the eye? It's cause he knows he falls short and fills the gaps with sarcastic BS.

Soundmman who got bitch slapped , your main man got whacked by who God himself , you are sad example for your kids kissing Devils ass

Antonio Fiammelli Why speak big word in big sentence when small word in small sentence do trick?

@ Antonio Flammelli : Torquemada likes this.

​@@besetfree5752 You surrendered your right to an opinion when you surrendered to a myth without any proof whatsoever. You can't even make your own choices and determine your own morality, what value can your opinion possibly have?

and????

Scot .harvath Only if it exists.

What do you say when he tells his thoughts on your cult?

j n working class? Erm...no. He’s from a privileged background. BUT, he didn’t dismiss the working class. He was incredibly smart and very quick witted, but unfortunately flawed, like we all are in some way. Yes, I’d like to know what your feelings are about his challenges to your faith? Do you agree with parts of what he says? Genuinely interested.

@@pommiebears Can I just butt in your conversation, I'm a Pakistani ExMuslim Atheist and I can honestly say that Christopher Hitchens had a massive influence on my apostasy, I had doubs about Islam and religion in general couple of years ago so I asked the learnt Muslims in my mosque and family, they had no answer. It was all blind faith, emotional blackmailing and threats of hell fire. I then started watching RU-vid videos on varius different religions specially Christianity and to be honest I found Christianity really retarted. The idea of Trnity made me lose intrest in Christiniaty within few days. I did however like Buddhism and I do from time to time meditate.

He’s really not working class at all.

@@juliewake4585 His family were working class and his mom worked her bum off to put him through a good school .

Constipation?

Christ Lives - Religious nonsense. Nothing you have said makes any sense at all.

Like?

Perfectly said! LOL.

Corny

Turek: I give you the two sides atheist and theist to proof God exist Christopher: I have a great accent to make me look smart

@@comunistanuncatemcomida what?

Lol… Perfect!!!

And the guy on the right is nothing more than a hedonist nut job.

notice the god preacher has a 1k suit,but chris is in his work clothes.more money in religion.who,s the richest person on earth,??.THE FUKN POPE.

Uh no, if there are infinite number of days, how could you traverse that infinite number of days and get to today?? How can you have an infinite number of days when we have a present, that means that the infinite comes to an end.

Bob Rabbins actually no, it is one the the arguments that most scientists, atheist and theist, use to point out that there isn’t an infinite number of days. Besides, the Big Bang proves the universe isn’t eternal so that philosophical statement turned out to be true.

@@anepicflyingbrick_4872 so god needs a creator. Glad we agree.

Me too, these religious morons are hilarious!

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@@stevebrindle1724 nope

How can someone say what we believe is worthless? You are too blind to see reason.

we do,we search out b/s & have a good laugh at there expense.suffering of others could mean all you fools that are waiting all your life,for response from a person that doesnt exist.so they all just wasted there life,going to church,talking shit,smiling,ignoring facts from anyone else.&,not even bothering to research,where religion came from,or does that go against gods teachings..watch,george carlin,on religion,.comedian..RIP. [[ i know who where & when,we were created. ]]..not hard to find..

You missed the point. That would explain god on its own. Thermodynamics contradicts another Big Bang happening from nothing. It would be supernatural

I quite see the distinction. And what, if anything, can we conclude. We know the universe is only 13.8 billion years old, which is young by God's standard. What on earth did he do all that time before he lit the fuse ?

@@tedgrant2 Getting planning permission and waiting fior the skip to arrive.

@@scarfhs1 Can you hear me chuckling ?

Who really knows? Who will here proclaim it? Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation? The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe. Who then knows whence it has arisen?"

@@77555kuyt The pillars of the earth are the Lord's and he hath set the world upon them. The pillars of Heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. I've stood all that I can stands, cuz i can't stands n'more. Where's the entrance to the exit ?

RIGHT? He keeps cutting BOTH short. At least let them finish their thoughts, GEEZ.

If u look at the response time for both, Chris is spending sooooo much more time answering

@ Bruce Yes it seems they are only allowing for smart Q & A hey :)

Bruce Cubbage seems to me that much of the time Frank simply makes short points which is why he appears to have such limited time

Yeah, but he just read the Bible instead of his textbooks 😂😂

@@ZackMaddox-gd1zk That's funny... and probably true.

He's a man who would happily torture and put people to death to support his belief

Funny, when Hitchens speaks I feel smarter.

@@joshuahand407 that makes sense when you listen to smart people you start to become more intelligent

+dpginthehouse That and his intelligence.

Does Turek have ideas? Is Turek capable of thinking, much less, rethinking? So there.

That’s being Christian too Frank.

The bible condones slavery. "A black Christian is like a black person with no memory." -Chris Rock

Turek doesn't have anything meaningful to say anyway. The less he speaks, the better.

michaelphiffer23, some people do not suffer fools lightly…

Stupid religious nut.

Get yourself to the psychiatrist. Asap.

Only an immoral person can believe in the vile bible bullshit.

physical*

Why is that bad? We should strive to have as much knowledge as possible, and as little faith as possible.

Om no, you can't traverse an infinite number of days and get to today. The present disproves infinite

all,the old scholers,?.spell check.??..from before capernicus ect.knew,what & where we came from,time,universe,ect..but,like einstien,had to kurb there meanings,findings,or die..this,is why we are still struggling with all this missinformation that keeps being rammed down our throats.we have been on earth for millions of yrs,if some retard didnt invent religion,we would be flying around stars by now,,kept us dumb for thousands of yrs in the name of god..

Turek is awful. Hitchens has every right to be arrogant; this video starts with Turek trying to prove a god with science then also simultaneously defending the idea that science doesnt count because of his god. If an apologist could ever actually present a convincing argument, then - and ONLY then - is respect and humility due. But no apologist has ever been able to come up with anything more than the usual half-baked, self-contradictory nonsense we're all used to seeing.

oh yeah, and never mind the fact that Hitchens yielded his due speaking time to allow for more audience questions - gee, what an asshole thing to do! And id like to point out that this yielding makes up for the 2 minutes of evangelizing that one person did in the previous video: this guy wasted the audience's time trying to convince Hitchens to explore some orthodox church that claims to be the original version of christianity.

Turek has no idea of Physics, he just uses scientific jargon. He can't debate the physics even with an undergraduate.