Super appreciate having the opportunity to make the thumbnail for this one!! And I think you pretty much summed up perfectly where Fraymakers is at right now. Custom content is doing amazing and base cast is coming along, but much of anything beyond that is still really lacking unfortunately. Hopefully development starts picking up real soon!
I think Fraymakers crashed so hard because they put all their eggs into custom content, which Rivals of Aether just has but better. There's way more content already on the Rivals workshop, and it has smaller sprite sizes that are easier to work with. Custom content is not an avenue Fraymakers can realistically win on, and the lackluster base game content can't make up for that. I think the best chance Fraymakers has in the future is adding characters people actually care about to the roster.
@@rosheafan Yeah, I'm in agreement there. I don't mean its best chance as in 'the way it can be a huge game the likes of Rivals or other major platfighters' I mean its best chance at being decently successful and hitting a triple digit concurrent player count again.
I think one of the bigger issues with Fraymakers is the art style. It looks great, but it's painful to emulate for those who want to make custom characters in the style of the game's art. Like-- look at all of the popular custom characters in Rivals-- They follow the game's art style perfectly and it's much easier to do so with a smaller size and palette, but with Fraymakers even if you want to make something like an assist, you'd have to deal with a large sprite sheet and an even larger color palette. Taking Peppino's Assist sprite from The Spriter's Resource as an example, those squares are around 192x192 with FIFTEEN COLORS used on this one assist alone with FOUR LEVELS OF SHADING just for an assist. It's not sustainable in my opinion for anyone who's wanting to make a fan character that doesn't clash with the art design the game has.
I am still standing by this game no matter what. This has definitely been a rocky start but since Fishbunjin and The Watcher finally got added it's been very exciting to look forward to the new content despite everything else that's going on around the games development. It's actually been so enjoyable that it's also reinvigorating my interest in the Fraytools side of the game. Also the music is still SO. SO. GOOD.
I just think the team bit off more than they could chew. They are still dedicated to this project and are working on improving it, but it's been a pretty slow burn. That's not so bad, but it does mean it's pretty hard to stay hyped for this game and we're still gonna have to wait years for what they promised. Really wishing they announced this later, or even just released early access a bit later to make the waiting a bit less painful
Day 1 backer. I haven't felt any sort of excitement for this game lately, even after Watcher (Who I mainly backed the game for) being launched. I really hold high hopes, but there's a huge mountain for the devs to climb. I'm wishing them the best, and I'm hoping fraymakers has a strong comeback!!
@@BowlerSSF2 Her kit as a stance swapper is so, so cool to me. I just feel depressed I don't feel like I can hop into a casual match and need to hop onto the comp server or the mcleod server. It really needs some sort of injection to help boost playerbase.
"Of course she's still beautiful and--" damn right she is. Uh, me going gaga for Watcher aside, this is a very good, informative summary of what has occurred this year with the game. I appreciate that while you do not believe Fray will get that big, that you still see value in it regardless. Also the shout-out for Workshop content too, there's a lot more quality works now compared to before. I'm confident too that this game will get better in time, but I still love it where it is now. That's how I know I can stick by it.
Damn almost two years and the most interesting part we get is a working training mode and two characters. Better state sure, but damn did this video not help with how I think of this game.
this really is one of the best plat fighters out there. I hope people see this and give it a real chance, even if there's some more things is still needs (cough cough stages )
Fraymakers is so sad cause like... I get it. I can totally imagine their headspace when that first trailer came out. They were the creators of one of, if not THE most popular smash bros fan project, outside of PM. They probably felt on top of the world, so when the opportunity arrived to create something like Fraymakers they jumped at it immediately, not knowing the IMMENSE amount of work needed to pull it off. This is the exact sort of mistake that I'm terrified to make as an artist, biting off more than I can chew and disappointing people who were legitimately excited. I hope the morale at McLeodGaming is still going strong, reality hits hard.
It's a real shame that this game launched so undercooked and seems like it still needs a lot of time. I really love the mechanics and art and character design, but I really feel like launching so early killed the game forever. Hopefully the full release will have the amount of content needed to bring in a ton of new players, but I can't say I'm all that optimistic sadly.
You're being WAY too generous in this video. The fundamental difference between Rivals of Aether and Fraymakers custom content is that in Rivals the custom workshop is a cherry on top of an already polished product; in Fraymakers it is blatantly a crutch to keep the game on life support while the devs toil away for months and months for honestly miniscule updates. I'm a day one backer and it's actually inexcusable that they launched the game in such an unfinished state with not even the base roster finished up until just recently. I can only imagine how long it'll take for us to actually get the backer characters at this point.
My biggest hopes for this game are - Peppino as a playable character - Welltaro getting his own stage Other things I think would be cool would be - A stage based on one of the prisons from the Escapists 2 - Totally Accurate Battle Simulator representation - Streets of Rogue representation Other than that, I just hope the game can see a full roster of playable characters, assists and stages as well as more match options, match modifiers and whatever the stage switch option's implying. Stage morph from Smash Ultimate maybe?
I’m not surprised of how undercooked this game is. From what I’ve learned from the devs at Aether Studios, creating one character costs an insane amount of money! Approximately, $100K for the base design of a 3d modeled character without any additional work. I don’t know what the cost is for creating a traditionally animated character for Fraymakers, but I’d imagine it isn’t any cheaper. It would’ve been better to just cook the game more before launch, but delaying it costs a lot of money, too. Time is an issue, but without a publisher, you’re always strapped for cash and an unfinished product that will forever be remembered as such.
Here in Fray, it gives you... - Only a slight boost in damage, perhaps move-specific. I don't know if recieved damage is increased. - Replaces the Neutral Special with a two-hit finisher move. - Trades vertical mobility and knockback for more horizontal stats (faster dash over higher jumping, dtilt knocks away instead of up, etc.). It's certainly not the same, but there is still some fitting differences.
Imma be so real. This game (as much as I love it too death and back and wish nothing but the best and I will still continue to play the game because it has brought me so many great memories and friends) is pathetic. Really hope the devs wake up and can just do smaller updates of like, a assist or a stage (which seeing the talent of the workshop community where it's typically 1 artist and 1 programmer per stage/assist that gets finished in typically get finished in like 2 weeks or less) just so that they can pan out the content of the game and make it seem like stuff is actually happening. Also how does rollback actively make online worse. They need to be doing smth honestly.
Does the competitive scene include a list of workshop characters as part of the competitive roster? I mean might as well right, specifically the non-meme, well made ones
I don't want to come across as rude, but this video is a massive cope. Fraymakers was an absolute JOKE at launch, and I don't think your rose-tinted glasses exemplified how bad it actually was. While I don't doubt that the game has improved since then, the state that Fraymakers is in now should have been the state it was in two years ago. Rivals 2 has been in development for around the same time as Fraymakers, and it has WAY more content and polish (not to mention functioning online). So, sorry but not sorry, Fraymakers is still a waste of $20.
roa2 devs have much better experience with the task at hand, i mean they have functioning online on roa 1, theyve designed the character designs, they know what their users want, so i mean it makes sense. i do love fraymakers art style, character design, and just how it looks like it plays. but yeah they bit off more than those devs could chew, and there were always fighting an uphill battle. workshop looks extremely scuffed but if the game gained popularity could be an absolutely stunning selling point, if the online also was better so u could play with friends without lagging. RoA is great but the pixelated sprites, shields and grabs, is what makes the game suffer. obv all these things combine together so that making a workshop character is easier to make so its a bit of a chicken and the egg kind of sitatuion, you cant really afford to have high quality designs without needing alot of effort. maybe in the future when art tools get improved with AI and they can make sprite sheets based on descriptions and drawings, which you then finetune, could be interesting in that sort of reality... but not the one we are currently in.
everything since then is better, but they are slow, but who knows maybe when they do release it they will work faster on future content, also IF we get Specter Knight.... best game of the year scratch everything bad ive ever said
I may be blind or the link isn't working but can I get that Competitive Server for Fraymakers this game looks fun again, I haven't opened the game sense ULTRA FISHBUNJIN release sadly
“This content is exactly the same as it was at launch where it was really disappointing and crashes your game and steals your social security number, I’m giving it a C originally and a B- now if I’m feeling generous”
I will stand by the game no matter what. But jesus it really has been the most underwhelming game releases . The thing is that when it was announced it really seemed that it was gonna be the best godamn platform fighter ever. Like you get the geniuses from ssf2 but this time you also give them money and time. What could go wrong?
I feel like your thought process here is a little bit backwards. It’s an early access game, of course the content’s gonna be lacking and the online’s gonna be dead, it’d be more of a surprise if that WASN’T the case. You aren’t paying for “$20 worth of content” when you buy an early access game, you’re paying for the privilege to play the game before anyone else. Honestly, this is like going onto a construction site and being upset there isn’t any plumbing yet, you volunteered to come here before everything was done.
Workshop is like a C+ once you realise that the modding tools and documentation hasn’t gotten any real support in nearly 2 years now. Absolutely pathetic state for a game that’s had multiple years of development with more than enough funding to complete it. I’ll be dead by the time that Welltaro stage comes out at this rate lmao
You know how Fox has a weird way of counting Simpsons episodes? They refuse to count a couple of them, making the amount of episodes inconsistent. The reason for this is a lost episode from season 1. Finding details about this missing episode is difficult. No-one who was working on the show at the time likes to talk about it. From what has been pieced together, the episode's production number was 7G06, and the title was Dead Bart. The episode labeled 7G06, Moaning Lisa, was made later, and given Dead Bart's production code to hide the latter's existence. It also was written entirely by Matt Groening. During production of the first season, Matt started to act strangely. He was very quiet, and seemed nervous and morbid. Mentioning this to anyone who was present around Matt at the time resulted in them getting very angry, and forbidding you to ever mention it to Matt himself. I first heard of it at an event where David Silverman was speaking. Someone in the crowd asked about the episode and Silverman simply left the stage, ending the presentation hours early. In addition to getting angry, asking anyone who was on the show about Dead Bart would cause them to do everything they could to stop you from directly communicating with Matt Groening. At a fan event, I managed to follow him after he spoke to the crowd, and eventually had a chance to talk to him alone as he was leaving the building. He didn't seem upset that I had followed him; he probably expected a typical encounter with an obsessive fan. When I mentioned the lost episode, though, all color drained from his face, and he started trembling. When I asked him if he could tell me any details, he sounded like he was on the verge of tears. He grabbed a piece of paper, wrote something on it, and handed it to me. He begged me never to mention the episode again. The piece of paper had a website address on it. I would rather not say what it was for reasons you'll see in a second. I entered the address into my browser and came to a site that was completely black, except for a line of yellow text - a link. I clicked on it, and a file started downloading. Once the download was complete, my computer went crazy. It was the worst virus I had ever seen. System restore didn't work; the entire computer had to be rebooted. Before doing this, though, I copied the file onto a CD. I tried to open it on my now empty computer; as I suspected, there was an episode of The Simpsons on it. The episode started off like any other, but had very poor quality animation. If you've seen the original animation for Some Enchanted Evening, it was similar, but less stable. The first act was fairly normal, but the way the characters acted was a little off. Homer was angrier, Marge seemed depressed, Lisa behaved anxiously, and Bart appeared to have genuine anger and hatred towards his parents. 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The view zoomed out as the episode came to a close. The tombstones in the background had the names of every Simpsons guest star on them. Some that no one had heard of in 1989, some that haven't been on the show yet. All of them had death dates as well. For guests who died since, like Michael Jackson and George Harrison, the dates were when they would die. The credits were completely silent, and seemed handwritten. The final image was the Simpson family on their couch, like in the intros, but all drawn in the hyper-realistic, lifeless style of Bart's corpse. A thought occurred to me after seeing the episode for the first time. You could try to use the tombstones to predict the death of living Simpsons guest stars. But there was something odd about most of the ones who haven't died yet. All of their deaths are listed as the same date.
personally i havent touched the game in months and still prob wont but im very happy to hear that its in a relatevely better spot than before! hopefully itll catch my interest again once its more completed and im sure once it comes out of early access itll be in the top 3 or 5 of platform fighters
