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Free Agency Doesn't Work 

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@rockypenner3669
@rockypenner3669 5 лет назад
Grifflix has the most underrated hockey channel
@PunkerWithABoner
@PunkerWithABoner 5 лет назад
Less and less, our boy is turning some heads. I’d love to see him participate in a bar down quiz
@standardyeepz
@standardyeepz 5 лет назад
Amen man. Only 12 k? He should have way more
@TheEDFLegacy
@TheEDFLegacy 5 лет назад
Underrated alongside Odd Man Rush and UrinatingTree. This video just earned you a sub... And a recommendation to the other two channels. 😊
@imperialaggron
@imperialaggron 5 лет назад
He caters to a very niche market, as typical 30-something hockey dudebros wouldn't really appreciate his content. He'll keep on the rise though, especially considering the production value compared to other hockey channels
@michaelb4833
@michaelb4833 5 лет назад
Got to appreciate a hockey-related RU-vidr who doesn't record lazy, edited, videos from their basements where they just ramble on and on for 20 minutes.
@thekillers1stfan
@thekillers1stfan 5 лет назад
According to Steve Yzerman the real way to build a better team is to fleece the Rangers out of as many players as possible
@BeastOfMetal1989
@BeastOfMetal1989 4 года назад
Not really, those fucks just bring their choking ways down south...
@Kachina.
@Kachina. 3 года назад
@@BeastOfMetal1989 in this episode of poorly aged comments
@BeastOfMetal1989
@BeastOfMetal1989 3 года назад
@@Kachina. For what it's worth, the only ex-Rangers left on the roster by last September were McDonagh and Shattenkirk, the latter of whom played most of his career elsewhere, so there may still be some truth to my comment despite the Cup...
@shaedonshergill3162
@shaedonshergill3162 5 лет назад
It’s always a great day when either Grifflix or Urinating Tree uploads
@nathanmcclinchey786
@nathanmcclinchey786 5 лет назад
But grifflix is better because he recognizes both the good and the bad, urinating tree only kicks gms when they are down.
@Awolfx
@Awolfx 5 лет назад
I keep saying that Griff should do a collab with Tree to get more attention.
@chrisbard8587
@chrisbard8587 5 лет назад
@@nathanmcclinchey786 that's what he does to call the bad stuff
@hyenasinnj
@hyenasinnj 5 лет назад
Shaedon Shergill frrrr
@edmontonboy99
@edmontonboy99 5 лет назад
Shaedon Shergill It’s always great when Wes Macaulay makes calls. Oh never mind he needs to get his microphone working. Alright, both players, five minutes each for FIGHTING!
@zachgearey4686
@zachgearey4686 5 лет назад
I was thinking to myself today “I wonder when is Grifflix is gonna upload again” hear my phone vibrate and see this video it honestly made me smile.
@grantbourck8653
@grantbourck8653 5 лет назад
Right! Grifflix makes the best hockey content on the internet!
@zachgearey4686
@zachgearey4686 5 лет назад
Grant Bourck Yes exactly I’m always looking forward to whatever he puts out next. He goes in so much depth. He’s honestly the reason why I got back into hockey.
@nilsolofsson4338
@nilsolofsson4338 5 лет назад
Today was surreal for me. I actually got to hold the Stanley cup trophy when Alexander Steen visited Sweden. Definitely one of the coolest things I’ve experienced.
@irubanomlas
@irubanomlas 5 лет назад
the only reason we still got Jimbo as our GM is because of Pettersson and Boeser, they saved his job.
@vancircles1436
@vancircles1436 5 лет назад
Hes an amazing drafter and he had a great offseason
@KiloOne
@KiloOne 5 лет назад
15 Kevin LaBancs is too much, you say? Then I shall only sign 14, then I'll be a Cup champion!
@gabrflyan6364
@gabrflyan6364 5 лет назад
“Whoever replaces Jim Benning” (Here after Benning re-signs with a 3-year contract)
@TheRickRoller1
@TheRickRoller1 5 лет назад
I wonder what Benning told the owners to get renewed. Must be a pretty good talker.
@remingtonbianchi9866
@remingtonbianchi9866 5 лет назад
This is honest-right-god my favorite channel on RU-vid, my face lights up when I see you uploaded
@Sam-vv4zd
@Sam-vv4zd 5 лет назад
The blood moon rises once again. During the blood moon, chiarelli's power grows stronger. This allows him to refresh the world, creating more bad situations for the oilers, replacing those which connor mcdavid has spent the time since the last blood moon.
@Griffiti
@Griffiti 5 лет назад
I hope he gets another job Just so BOTW2 can represent his resurrection, or something like that I don't know, I had BOTW it on the mind since I beat it before editing this vid...God, what an experience...
@RoseCityRebel
@RoseCityRebel 5 лет назад
The 2 dislikes were Lucic and Alzner
@Jens95
@Jens95 5 лет назад
Free agency is just a fancy way to say, "Let's punish fans with drama and horrible contracts/moves".
@Aliamner
@Aliamner 3 года назад
This channel deserves so much more than it has
@jucidrelic6172
@jucidrelic6172 5 лет назад
Once I saw that Kessel got traded to Arizona I knew this man was going to go insane
@Russ-od2yy
@Russ-od2yy 5 лет назад
In fairness Roussell by the time he got going after his concussion to start the season was well worth his money for what he brought. Now Loui and Beagle..... FML....
@watcher6935
@watcher6935 5 лет назад
You nailed it and with a really well made vid. 👍❤️. Oh I'm an Oilers fan and the frustration of this issue makes this vid satisfying to watch also.
@jamesgentry13
@jamesgentry13 5 лет назад
Name one team that's been cheap that's won a cup
@AV57
@AV57 5 лет назад
Great video. I think you're right on when you talk about the lack of superstars that even get to UFA, so it skews the marketplace to make the UFAs appear to be far better than they actually are. It's like many GMs view the UFA pool based on a curve. But the problem is, the best UFA typically didn't get a 99 on the "test". He scored a 84, but they wind up getting paid like they scored a 99 (aka Sidney Crosby). And the GMs that recognize this and avoid UFAs are the ones dominating the league, simply by default. They're not even necessarily getting better, so much as their rivals are shooting themselves in the foot constantly. Dough Armstrong has built a solid team for the past 7 or 8 years without really even one big UFA signing (Paul Stastny was probably the biggest signing and he didn't give Stastny $9 million for 8 years, and didn't give him a NTC). I love UFA season, simply because I know it's when you can reliably bank on being able to explain why 10 teams will be noncompetitive for the next 5-8 years.
@MrTCHOSS
@MrTCHOSS 3 года назад
The 90s were amazing for free agency. The Blues signed Scott Stevens, Brendan Shanahan, Dave Christian, Michel Goulet, Marty McSorley, Shayne Corson, Petr Nedved to offers sheets. They were about to do the same with Steve Duchense and Al MacInnis but worked out trades for them before the offer sheet was signed. This all took place in just a 5 year period from 1990-1995. Later on, Detroit was signing Hall of Fame Unrestricted Free Agents by the handful. Hull, Robitaille, Hasek, Modano, Chelios, Fetisov, Larionov. A couple of things have hurt the sport of hockey over the past 20-25 years. - goal scoring decreasing so drastically - A very low salary CAP, where star player movement hardly ever occurs. A franchise used to be able to rebuild/repair instantly if it so tried and desired. Today, can only be done through one avenue... rebuilding through years of high draft picks. Required every franchise to go through really dark periods... even the elite franchises from great markets like Detroit and the NY Rangers.
@SteeleZack
@SteeleZack 5 лет назад
The 2000's New York Rangers were pretty much the NHL's version of the Washington Redskins
@jasonfire3434
@jasonfire3434 5 лет назад
I don't think you can compare NBA to NHL free agency for a few reasons: 1) the hard cap makes it harder to build super teams through free agency. You would never see a Big 3 Miami Heat or Golden State situation in the NHL because you could not fit that many superstars on one roster. 2) hockey is an infinitely more team-oriented sport than basketball. One player usually won't make the difference between championship and missing the playoffs 3) superstar culture: NBA superstars are generally more concerned with glitz, glamour, bling and endorsements, which means they're incentivized to leave small markets for big markets when possible. Hockey players just don't have that personality. Free agency isn't broken, it's just different.
@joshspektor4389
@joshspektor4389 5 лет назад
Also the inability to sign in the NBA for 7-8 years makes for better free agent pools
@marclebris249
@marclebris249 5 лет назад
And now , let's talk about Kevin Hayes contract !
@pkzammy666
@pkzammy666 5 лет назад
This is the true definition of Quality over quantity.
@MarkySauce
@MarkySauce 5 лет назад
Always circles back to Chiarelli at the end, a person who shouldn’t be anywhere near the NHL but somehow still is
@jreiland07
@jreiland07 5 лет назад
It’s like UrinatingTree with all the non-hockey filler cut out. Love it.
@radovanbudos5883
@radovanbudos5883 5 лет назад
Amazing content. By far the funniest hockey videos. Also appreciate the occasional use of analytics.
@hockeyfaninc5341
@hockeyfaninc5341 5 лет назад
Finally someone made a video on how insane free agency can be for teams in the offseason. Great video! 👍
@oooooooooorly
@oooooooooorly 5 лет назад
Superstar player movement is overrated. I hate rooting for the jersey and not the players; continuity is a valuable asset. NHL free agency is about right just how it is. I don't need more "excitement" from it. Just look at MLB, for the worst-case scenario. It's atrocious.
@Griffiti
@Griffiti 5 лет назад
If it's not for you, that's perfectly alright. Personally, I just want more excitement and coverage for the league. It doesn't have to be to the extent of the NBA, but just a few more players exercising some power and personal preference couldn't hurt. Cue this crop of RFA's getting shorter-term deals, (Matthews, Aho).
@gridkid_2045
@gridkid_2045 5 лет назад
Another quality video. Big fan of yours Griff. Keep it up.
@davidparada1307
@davidparada1307 4 года назад
Rogie Vachon and Bruce McNall needed this video back in 1990. Of course, at that time, there was no salary cap nor free agnecy like today but the LA Kings were ruined for about a decade until they got their draft picks and were able to develop their farm system.
@brodendelauretis7424
@brodendelauretis7424 5 лет назад
This is the best hockey content on youtube, it's fun an entertaining plus its also very informative great job Grifflix.
@PrestigeSteeler
@PrestigeSteeler 4 года назад
I just wanna day something about Hayes. From other fans looking in, yes kevin Hayes was overpaid. But for our team he was completely worth the overpay. He is a huge reason why we are 1 point out of first place in the metro. He’s been great for us and i don’t regret giving him the 7 mil one bit
@torontotowers
@torontotowers 5 лет назад
So Glad your Back! We Missed you!
@bozo8603
@bozo8603 5 лет назад
Don't think Goldy has a place on the Canucks anymore. He plays like he doesn't particularly care unless he has the puck and is in the offensive zone. And anyways, who does he knock off the Canucks' winger depth? Ferland, Boeser, Pearson and Miller are probably locks for the top six, and the bottom six still has Baertschi, Virtanen, Leivo, Roussel, Motte and Eriksson vying for four spots. Possibly MacEwan, too. I just don't see a spot for Goldy. He's defensively lazy, so putting him on that fourth checking line with Beagle would be a catastrophe and Baertschi and Virtanen are just better options on the third to provide a little depth scoring. Especially since both play hard. I say trade Goldy for whatever 3rd or 4th rounder you can get and move on. He's had plenty of opportunity in Vancouver. Maybe he straightens it out elsewhere but we just don't seem to have a spot for him.
@JHockeyFan
@JHockeyFan 5 лет назад
Griff probably low key pulls girls in real life.
@pearldrums92
@pearldrums92 5 лет назад
Jonathan Zygmunt high key
@owenadams9810
@owenadams9810 5 лет назад
Nice use of the BOTW blood moon theme at the end there. Also, I bet you that Brandon Tanev deal will look good in a couple years, I promise ya ;)
@chickenalaking1319
@chickenalaking1319 4 года назад
Owen Adams I'm still not happy about the term, but the guy is basically Hagelin 2.0 for us at the moment.
@fabriziolorenzo2392
@fabriziolorenzo2392 5 лет назад
The editing alone makes this video comedic gold LMAO
@Newwavehockey
@Newwavehockey 3 года назад
Kevin Hayes has actually played up to his contract lol
@percymattesich6993
@percymattesich6993 5 лет назад
New fan but love everything you have put out. Keep it up!
@hemanownsyou
@hemanownsyou 5 лет назад
Canucks have the cap space to sign Boeser. Hughes and Pettersson still have another two years on their ELCs. When their new contracts kick in, Edler, Sutter and Tanev will be off the books, and Roussel and Beagle will be on their final years of their contracts. I wouldn't call our situation dire.
@ardemua
@ardemua 4 года назад
Free agency is fine for acquiring depth players.
@opinionaytedonhockey
@opinionaytedonhockey 5 лет назад
I live in Edmonton and felt that Lucic contract
@alexdewald1982
@alexdewald1982 5 лет назад
as an oilers fan i apreciate u using us with your jokes, bcz we are a joke
@bruhianna1139
@bruhianna1139 5 лет назад
Alex Dewald same
@chad_b
@chad_b 5 лет назад
Damn right you are lol
@are3287
@are3287 5 лет назад
Dallas and Colorado are going to be the biggest cup contenders this year.
@bryanc8847
@bryanc8847 5 лет назад
As an Avalanche fan I was loving the moves the Wild were making.
@lelouchvibritannia4028
@lelouchvibritannia4028 5 лет назад
They're going to be so bad lmao
@OneTeeGlory
@OneTeeGlory 5 лет назад
The reasons why the NBA has more movement is because the players figured out that the teams won’t be loyal to you so why the hell should the players be. The other main reason is the start of true free agency being much sooner. If the NHL adjusts UFA years to start at 23 years old or a “years of service” system where 3 or 4 years of NHL experience grants you free agency, stars would move much more. But the NHL doesn’t want to do that because it wants to help all the broke teams compete and doesn’t understand that doing those things with a luxury tax system would actually give more money to the broke teams. The NHL really needs a new commissioner.
@xJabro
@xJabro 5 лет назад
Team chemistry > individual skill
@poohpush
@poohpush 5 лет назад
lol canucks will have 45 million free cap when pettersson has to be signed
@Flaris
@Flaris 5 лет назад
Free agency just requires some smart thinking. Find your bargains, if a unicorn type player is there then try for them, and don't be stupid. I do agree that NHL free agency just isn't as thrilling as they try to make it out to be. It just isn't that crazy. Key players rarely move. For a lot of reasons, but they don't move. So chasing supporting cast members for too much money will sink you. I agree with the video.
@PunkerWithABoner
@PunkerWithABoner 4 года назад
That original Rachet & Clank beat, you got me my man. You da beat, bisous bisous mon cher
@hrpufnstuf205
@hrpufnstuf205 5 лет назад
james neal is a good bet for edmonton, he gets an actual offseason to rest up and take a breath after two cup runs. a guy doesn't go from being a guy who can get you 25-30 goals at least to not getting into a lineup
@michaelreppenhagen736
@michaelreppenhagen736 5 лет назад
Seeing BMac's first move as a gm (Orpik's terrible contract) be panned and most recent (Panik) be praised in the same video makes me feel really good.
@BadBoiFilms
@BadBoiFilms 5 лет назад
The eriksson signing looked better than the Vrbata signing from a few years prior. Vrbata has 30 goals out of nowhere. Eriksson regressed to a bottom six forward in his first season in Vancouver. It’s a gamble. You can acquire value for free but you could also take on negative value, sometimes a massive negative value. Say what you will but lucic eriksson and James Neal but they all would’ve got either the same deal or close to it elsewhere
@Kimchi203010
@Kimchi203010 5 лет назад
It works. Works awesome
@milan99cz
@milan99cz 5 лет назад
I love your vidoes, they are so well made! Also that basement segment was pure comedy
@PunkerWithABoner
@PunkerWithABoner 5 лет назад
Grifflix mentioning how immortal Bergeron is made me happy
@rustyshackleford6746
@rustyshackleford6746 4 года назад
Yeah, Doug Armstrong and the Blues are definitely in the middle... oh wait, what’s that Stanley Cup?
@ethanhatcher5533
@ethanhatcher5533 4 года назад
So, needless to say, you're thoughts on the Devil's at roughly the 9:30 mark has aged like milk
@godlikelobster0180
@godlikelobster0180 5 лет назад
0 dislikes on the vid so far, let’s go! Gotta love hockey man.
@NotExplicable
@NotExplicable 4 года назад
Problem is over paying and term. A 3-4 year deal for an aging 29+ player is optimal.
@aghostinthemachine2877
@aghostinthemachine2877 5 лет назад
That kessel serenade was beautiful. Kachina Kessel jersey is so tempting
@chainfire
@chainfire 5 лет назад
Your jokes are great, I would suggest slowing down the cuts and editing though. Have to rewind and pause to get most of them
@joshuapeltier4769
@joshuapeltier4769 5 лет назад
Free agency kills teams. Too many GM's overpay for players that tend not to "pan out". Now these teams are in a salary cap bind that can't get out of those ridiculous contracts. Drafting well is the key to winning. Building a team through the draft works wonders.
@Walter7143
@Walter7143 5 лет назад
I love how he measures the amount in Kevin Labanc's @4:57 lol
@jonmartin9686
@jonmartin9686 5 лет назад
Fuck yeah grif finally posted lol
@cjzizzari2405
@cjzizzari2405 5 лет назад
Another classic from grif
@Wegetsu
@Wegetsu 5 лет назад
8:37 Actually that should have said: "Kiitos, seuraava."
@kakarroto007
@kakarroto007 5 лет назад
I knew Canadian money was the same as Monopoly money!!!
@widudeisgod
@widudeisgod 4 года назад
Franchise players moving teams is NOT GOOD. The NBA is predictable GARABGE every year!! The NHL has interesting crazy playoffs every year
@T-Dogg20
@T-Dogg20 9 месяцев назад
I still come back for 6:10 because its so funny.
@mac19930410
@mac19930410 5 лет назад
Can’t believe I just found your channel, this is fucking gold. Subscribed
@johnoneill9590
@johnoneill9590 5 лет назад
Seriously. How could I not subscribe?! Unreal. Keep up the good content.
@joshfump8238
@joshfump8238 5 лет назад
your videos are amazing
@lukefancy940
@lukefancy940 5 лет назад
this was so disturbingly well put together
@FarFromHockey
@FarFromHockey 5 лет назад
Just stumbled across this video right now and went back thinking that there would be a lot of recent uploads. Guess I was just here at the right time. These are awesome and looks like it takes a lot of work! Hilarious. This off season is crazy and the RFA standoff going this far into the summer is bonkers. Who do you think is going to be the biggest over pay and biggest steal?
@mamaji277
@mamaji277 5 лет назад
how do you only have 11k subs? You produce a high end video every month, I think you deserve 100k minimum. You probably should be around their right now but people haven't realized your talent yet. I give it another year, a couple quality videos and you'll get 100k. Keep up the great work! Everyone loves your videos!
@npjuno36
@npjuno36 5 лет назад
you jinxed kessel going to arizona. i’m about to buy you his jersey 😩
@canadiandrumer
@canadiandrumer 4 года назад
lol at this guy thinking the Nucks were gonna suck, they aren't gonna beat the knights but they have really shown their potential
@zachmcphail1256
@zachmcphail1256 5 лет назад
Finally an educated nhl RU-vidr
@benchandler3602
@benchandler3602 5 лет назад
Most underrated channel
@odeszaa
@odeszaa 5 лет назад
Rousell and beagle signings are nothing they'll be gone by the time we need to pay Podkolzin, Petey, demko, dipietro, gaudette hughes and whoever jet black jim yeets at the draft.
@Will14444
@Will14444 4 года назад
And I really like Antoine
@Will14444
@Will14444 4 года назад
Just his style of play is good for the bottom 6
@odeszaa
@odeszaa 4 года назад
@@Will14444 hopefully he will sign real cheap again once his expires
@Psylenxe
@Psylenxe 4 года назад
I mean they might be worth keeping around they played pretty good against the blues
@carterreid9869
@carterreid9869 4 года назад
Brandon tanev deserves every penny he got. His career trajectory is only going up. He could put up 50 points if you just had him battle in front in the pp
@kellankulas7956
@kellankulas7956 5 лет назад
How have none of his vids gone viral(relative to other hockey commentary channels)?
@UncleAnaesthesia
@UncleAnaesthesia 5 лет назад
I wouldn't be too surprised if Ottawa takes that Loui Eriksson contract from Vancouver, as a favour and since we're at the cap floor.
@ShadowGamer507
@ShadowGamer507 5 лет назад
really well made video, you deserve more views
@brendanbennett2531
@brendanbennett2531 4 года назад
That take on Hayes isn’t lookin that good first year living up to the deal
@scotttaylor5928
@scotttaylor5928 5 лет назад
1:50 McDavid signs 8x100 million offer sheet with the oilers 😭😭😭
@Mgr1st
@Mgr1st 5 лет назад
That is some fire ass content. Keep it up.
@numbnutz9398
@numbnutz9398 5 лет назад
Jets fan here. Was laughing at the Tanev contract and the use of the Kane money pic that basically sealed his fate here, but the Myers bit was beautiful.
@jamesgentry13
@jamesgentry13 5 лет назад
Too bad the Jets are going to go down hill now
@numbnutz9398
@numbnutz9398 5 лет назад
@@jamesgentry13 I'm afraid you are right. If the team we had the last two years couldn't do it, now that we have lost so many other important parts I can't see this team going any further than the first round. Stuck in that 'almost good enough but not quite bad enough to blow up the roster situation'. Now i understand how Toronto has gone 50 years without a cup. Let Liane go, build up a team with Conner as your star and start getting some new talent. Sucks but might be best in the long run.
@JT_1
@JT_1 5 лет назад
@@numbnutz9398 They will sign both, btw is this video made for you millennial's, because it's a pile of shit
@numbnutz9398
@numbnutz9398 5 лет назад
@@JT_1 I'm fifty and Gen X I'm afraid. I just have a sense of humour. My I suggest you go check out the SportsNet RU-vid channel. Plenty dry and absolutely no humor present.
@terrydeborah
@terrydeborah 5 лет назад
The Donskoi contract is awful. He was a regular healthy scratch during the playoffs. He went like 37 games without a goal. Wouldn’t have given Him more then 2.5
@Theemptylife
@Theemptylife 5 лет назад
Was waiting for my ol nuckleheads to come up, as they should 😂🔫
@roo726
@roo726 4 года назад
I played with Vancouver for a franchise mode... yea it wasn’t fun after a while
@DirkStarlight
@DirkStarlight 5 лет назад
Can't say enough I need more videos and I will Patreon this.
@breeb2993
@breeb2993 5 лет назад
Nice to have ya back
@billylegend1086
@billylegend1086 4 года назад
As a Canucks fan, I’m hoping I remember this video by the end of the season.
@Psylenxe
@Psylenxe 4 года назад
Here’s a reminder if you forgot
@SteeleZack
@SteeleZack 5 лет назад
I am still trying to understand the reason behind the Flyers giving Kevin Hayes, 7 years/50 million,who averages around 15 goals/40 points with career high of 25 goals. I get it if the only reason he agreed to be traded there in the trade and sign move, if Philly was the only team that would "overpay" him.
@BkB4411
@BkB4411 5 лет назад
Welcome to Fletcher Town
@timothyng3226
@timothyng3226 3 года назад
Can we make Kevin labanc a unit of measurement
@honkeykong4049
@honkeykong4049 5 лет назад
*It would be interesting to see some sort of comparison on the way the Blackhawks and the Kings have been managed over the past decade. Why? Because both teams have multiple cups around the same time, but the Blackhawks still look like they can be relevant while the Kings look like they're pretty fucked for the foreseeable future. Just musing here.*
@nathandegroot8233
@nathandegroot8233 5 лет назад
For all Vancouver fans, I’m gonna tell you what you got from Myers. When we the jets went on the Stanley cup run, Myers was looking great. He was making the right play (sometimes) at the right time. I had faith in Myers, but then next season happened. And the jets absolutely disappeared after January. Myers fell back to same old shitty game. Just like trouba and tanev. For your overly priced Myers to work, your gonna need strong leadership, and a great defensive pairing. Without both, he’s useless Besides his, strong and physical presence. which will help, but he’s also extremely injury prone. I would love to see Myers grow into a fantastic player. But from where I’m looking, I don’t think it’s possible.
@Psylenxe
@Psylenxe 4 года назад
He’s played pretty good but he’s injured
@bimjenning6962
@bimjenning6962 4 года назад
the canucks part didn’t age well. Round 2 baybay 🤪
@GordonSlamsay
@GordonSlamsay 4 года назад
Ya but cap hell is imminent.
@unwarranteddesign806
@unwarranteddesign806 5 лет назад
Chiarelli sure gave Mad Mike Milbury a run for his money as worst GM in NHL history. He set TWO franchises back years.
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